Ryan-SWI

screams in the void said:

I cast my vote for The Empire Strikes Back on the Atari 2600 .

I actually bought my father that this past Christmas as he grew up with the 2600 and didn’t have it in his collection.

I was born in the early 90s so I had more of an SNES, N64 upbringing, but I sat down to play the 2600 ESB with him and was blown away. A very good little game considering the time it was released in.

I really think Star Wars’ gaming peak was the late 90s through the mid 00’s. Battlefront, KOTOR, Rogue Squadron, Jedi Knight; there were a lot of groundbreaking titles in that little space of time.

Current Star Wars gaming on the other hand, absolutely abhorrent. The Force Unleashed 1 wasn’t too bad, but I struggle to think of a single game released after that that even comes close to the aforementioned time period, or even earlier.

EA’s Battlefront 1 and 2 might be decent if they were actually the first and second games released under that brand name, but as the third and fourth they’re inexcusably bland and generic.

Star Wars: Kinect is hilarious to drunkenly bring out at parties though, so I’ll give it that.

I think the changes help some things pop, but there’s a lot of lost detail in there.

There’s also some over-exposure in a couple of the scenes because of the altercations, specifically the ‘sand’ scene.

The biggest issue with the OT BDs (outside the obvious altercations) were the crushed blacks and loss of fine detail as a result, I fear a similar case here. I do quite a bit of professional editing and that’s just my opinion, but I think you could achieve the same ‘look’ you’re going for without abusing the contrast and exposure quite so much.

I hope I don’t come off as overly negative or snarky, just giving my opinion!

You did a good job color correcting things to your apparent liking, I’m just commenting on some more technical details (:

TV’s Frink said:

Great post there.

So happy you approve

Possessed said:

Good joke.

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

I’m still wondering how the Jedi council never found out about that Tusken slaughter. Nobody even asked what Anakin was doing on Tattooine?

The Prequel Jedi are too stupid to ask questions or sense any danger other than vague “I sense a plot to destroy the jedi and evil surrounds Palpatine but let’s not do anything about it” comments.

To be fair, that kind of thinking extended to Luke in TLJ where he doesn’t do anything until it’s too late and then bungles it.

Which, at least in TLJ, is the point.

Of course that might have been the point in the PT too, but it certainly wasn’t communicated clearly if so.

so you don’t think the pt jedi were written to be stupid and blind? i always thought that was the point.

It was the point. The Jedi are clearly a bunch of arrogant fools blinded by their own power, and that’s a huge part of the reason for their downfall. They’re hypocrites.

As for worst scene: TLJ milking, or TLJ Mary Poppins reenactment, either either.

Disney XD

Lol pass.

IlFanEditore said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Visually stunning.

I’m not completely sure about the sky though.

Was about to mention that before I saw your comment, haha. Good job on the colour correction, I think you did a great job.
But the sky doesn’t blend well with the foreground. If you can darken the sky I think it’d look wonderful, it just looks a bit jarring at the moment.

Otherwise fantastic job!

The rain is an interesting idea but not sure how well it could be executed without looking tacky.

darthrush said:

(I happen to share the same opinion but other people can not think the same as you.)

There’s a difference between saying nobody can like something and pointing out the fact that a filmmaker only gets hired to make safe studio projects. JJ was brought in because he can make IX as safe as possible, the same reason Howard was brought in for Solo, and the same reason almost every director with the exception of Rian has had major production issues, been sidelined for reshoots or outright fired.

Yep.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

I think there are a lot more than just the three options you pose. Kylo’s a complicated character, and depending on what happens in IX, his conclusion could be pretty complicated too.

That’s if JJ wants to get that complicated.

Well, didn’t he create the character to begin with?

JJ creates amazing startpoints and isn’t the best at sticking the landing in my opinion.

I tend to disagree. We’ll see I guess.

How is there even anything to disagree on. JJ is universally notorious for his playing-it-safe mystery boxes that frequently rip off older, better content. The guy hasn’t done anything unique since the beginning of his career. It’s not like it’s a niche opinion. He’s not a bad director but he’s still a company yes-man; he’s a safe crowd pleasing bet. Not a bad thing if all you care about are popcorn flicks, but otherwise you’re shit outta luck.

Possessed said:

That just like, most neckbeard’s opinion, man.

FTFY

ray_afraid said:

And they made it look fake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That just like, your opinion, man.

Or is it just the original “Making of Star Wars” documentary? that’s available in the Complete Saga 9-disc blu-ray

Just this.

I don’t think stills are a fair portrayal. I’m not going to deny there’s some crappy effects across almost almost every film, but they typically look a lot worse when screencapped.

ray_afraid said:

There are hardly any environments in AOTC or ROTS that look real to me.

Naboo looked perfectly real. Episode I was a giant set. Episode II was filmed in Italy with a few background altercations to look more ‘sci-fi.’ The establishing shots and the grass battle in Episode I are obviously completely CGI, but other than that I think they’re fine. Tatooine also looks great in Episode I, Episode II has a few more wonky CGI shots like Anakin’s speeder scene, but overall the actual locations look great, as they are actual locations.

There are also hardly any environments in AOTC or ROTS that needed to be 100% effects, which is what makes them horrible from any perspective.

Um… Kamino, Mustafar, Coruscant?..

Geonosis didn’t have to be fully digital, I’ll give you that. However a water, lava and city planet aren’t really laying around in any of Earth’s biomes. And Mustafar and Coruscant both actually use a massive amount of both miniatures and real footage (lava, volcanoes, in the case of Mustafar).

As for the space battles, obviously they’re going to be CGI; even the new films are fully CGI for their space battles.

The ST actually has much more CGI than any of the PT film; the issue is that CGI of that scope back in the early 2000s was widely unheard of. As such there was a lot of growing pains and ILM was still trying to figure out how to properly work with the technology and make it look convincing. So all these practical effects, sets, and real locations get overlooked because the CGI at the time just wasn’t 100% ready yet. Not saying that magically makes a lot of the CGI good, just that there is a reason.

Is it just me or have most of the Disney era Star Wars posters had a very… Commercial (?) feel to them?

I think the theatrical TLJ poster was alright, but a number of other ones strike me more as promotional posters you buy in stores from the prequel era. Kind of like these: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/a9-IKSKOlpw/maxresdefault.jpg

Commercial might not be the right word but they have a very slapped-together feel, especially some of the Solo ones and for Rogue One.

Maybe it’s just the heavy use of photoshop, I’m not sure.

Wish they would have stuck with the more classic style of poster art instead of the generic blockbuster treatment.

Oh there we go, mystery solved.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’d still say this definitely looks miles better than anything in AOTC.

Disagree. There’s some stuff on Kamino (mainly the exterior shots) that look miles better than that scene.

the space bugs.

Space bugs? Do you mean the poisonous worms at the start of the film? I don’t think they look too bad for 2002, there are far worse looking things in the film.

I think the PT gets too much of a bad wrap for its CGI in general. Yeah there’s some crap in there, but there’s a lot of good in there too, you just don’t notice it because it’s actually blended well. Considering they were the first films to really utilise CGI to that extend they could have turned out a lot worse.

I mean there’s some shitty looking CGI characters and locations in AOTC, but I don’t think I laughed at any of it like I did with that awful green screen shot of Finn and Rose on Canto when they’re galloping away from the Casino. It reminded me of the ROTJ speeder chase, and not in a good way. For all its faults TLJ does have some gorgeous visuals, even Canto itself is really well put together, so I have no idea why the quality dipped so suddenly for that one shot.

m_s0 said:

OK, so here’s a question not for the faint of heart.

Was the dreaded headbutt reinstated for the 2008 UK Prequel DVD Box?

As far as I’m aware the film has never been reclassified in the UK, so all DVD releases over there regardless of the reissue should be identical; if they reinstated it the film would have to be reclassified as it’s technically a different version of the film, but I can’t find anything online about a reclassification.

I could be wrong though. I do have that box set in my collection so I’ll have a look later tonight when I get home.

towne32 said:

Ryan-SWI said:

towne32 said:

Wait, you actually have the svcd? I thought that was lost to the ages.

Would the SVCD be identical to what was pressed onto DVD bootlegs, if not better quality? I’ve got the original physical release of the Centropy VCD, but I also have about 10 or 11 copies of the CAM rip pressed onto various bootleg DVDs from back in the day too.

So presumably those DVDs (Hong Kong silvers and such) were made from the SVCD and not the other way around.

My mistake, that’s what I originally meant, mucked up my wording a bit there.

DrDre said:

Mavimao said:

DrDre said:

I have to say, I enjoyed TLJ a lot on bluray. I’m gonna miss Snoke though. I love a true evil mofu…

Huh!.. very interesting turn of opinion. What changed your mind when rewarching it on home video if you don’t mind me asking?

I enjoy Mark Hamill’s performance a lot.

Not a fan of how the film plays out but I’ll vehemently defend Mark’s performance, I think he did an outstanding job.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

In fact I see most people, even those who don’t like ROTS, say it’s visually the best of the three, if not the second best.

A lot of people here, myself included, think TPM is by far the best looking of the three, because it looks like a movie instead of a collection of videogame cutscenes.

That’s what I meant, I get the argument for TPM being visually better, but I can’t see how anyone could claim AOTC is visually the best of the trilogy. Each to their own, but I don’t understand that.

brian.warner2025 said:

Hello! I’ve been lurking on these boards for about two months now, but this is my first post!

I’ve been working on a new edit and one of the things I’ve been trying to add back into the prequels is the emotional shorthand of the original trilogy. It’s so clear when you look at a Star Destroyer that that’s what the bad guys fly around in. But when I see Palpatine’s Senate Office Building, it really doesn’t have that huge, imposing feel that would give the audience a sense of dread. I think that kind of evil in plain sight was what George was going for, but I was wondering if anyone has ever replaced it with footage from another movie. I keep thinking a futuristic version of Saruman’s tower would look so cool in the middle of Coruscant!

As Starkiller mentioned, he’s not meant to be seen as evil until mid-way through ROTS.

Secondly, It isn’t “Palpatine’s Senate Office Building” made specifically for him, it has obviously been there for a while and used by whoever is currently in power. Why would a generic senate building look ‘evil’?

Vader’s castle in R1 looks evil and imposing, but that’s secluded on Mustafar and obviously owned by Vader so that makes sense.

A senate building in the Republic’s capital though? Not really the same thing.

Changing it doesn’t really make any sense from a visual or storytelling perspective, if you wanna do it then more power to you, but I don’t understand how it makes any sense at all. If we’re drawing comparrisons to the OT, then Jabba’s palace from the outside doesn’t evoke a sense of dread when we first see it; it just looks like a ‘palace’ would look on that planet.

pittrek said:

9. Revenge of the Sith - bad plot, bad acting, bad dialogue, bad cinematography, bad compositing, bad CGI. The only remotely interesting thing is the scene where Vader is burning alive.

I mean… I have no issues with it being your least favourite Star Wars film if that’s your opinion, but your reasons for it being the worst seem a bit hypocritical don’t they? I’ll preface this by saying I love the PT, but if we’re talking about objective qualities in the films…

bad acting

I truly do not understand how AOTC can be ranked higher on your list.

bad dialogue

I truly do not understand how AOTC can be ranked higher on your list.

bad cinematography

I truly do not understand how AOTC can be ranked higher on your list.

bad CGI

I truly do not understand how AOTC can be ranked higher on your list.

I love AOTC but the acting, dialogue, cinematography, CGI, etc. ain’t exactly great.

In fact I see most people, even those who don’t like ROTS, say it’s visually the best of the three, if not the second best.

I’m not mocking you, I just cannot fathom how, for example, anything in ROTS could be named visually worse than that picture Frink posted above. I get not liking the plot and how it’s executed, that’s all up to preference, but stuff like that I can’t wrap my head around. Care to elaborate? Honestly interested as to your perspective.

towne32 said:

Wait, you actually have the svcd? I thought that was lost to the ages.

Would the SVCD be identical to what was pressed onto DVD bootlegs, if not better quality? I’ve got the original physical release of the Centropy VCD, but I also have about 10 or 11 copies of the CAM rip pressed onto various bootleg DVDs from back in the day too.

RidgeShark said:

Mielr said:

ChainsawAsh said:
The way Luke actually died. For no fucking reason. At all.

Not. Fucking. Cool. Rian.

My nephew and I were discussing this…why DID he die? Did he use up all his life force when he astral projected? I mean, WTF?

Carrie Fisher’s poor life choices won’t allow that narrative to further play out.

Jesus… What even? Come on man I hate the film too but why was that even necessary, crap like that doesn’t help your argument.