Ryan-SWI

TV’s Frink said:

I hope it’s clear that I feel this way about any subject. It’s weird to have a thread where you are not allowed to criticize the topic.

I’m on record as having really enjoyed TLJ so it has nothing to do with that at all.

Oh I know that. There are controversial Star Wars films I like but I still wouldn’t want an echo chamber to develop about them. My opinion is if you can’t acknowledge or discuss criticism then you must not be very comfortable with your position to begin with.

But anyway I don’t want to derail the thread or anything, so that’s neither here nor there.

Hamill’s performance was spectacular. It’s actually quite upsetting for me because there are things I adore about TLJ (mainly some of the acting and visuals), but it’s just the story and characterisation that completely ruins it for me to the point I can’t even sit through it anymore.

Hopefully one day I’ll be able to watch it properly again because I don’t think it’s a terrible film, just not the kind of film I wanted in the Star Wars universe. That’s just my opinion anyway.

TV’s Frink said:

including all posts in invisible threads?

… There are invisible threads?

TV’s Frink said:

It seems exceedingly weird to need a thread where a movie you like is safe from criticism. It’s a discussion forum for god’s sake. But if you want to allow a thread where no dissent is allowed, it’s your forum.

What a strange time we live in where I’m actually in agreement with Frink for once…

Anyway if this is the “optimism thread” I will say the cinematography is gorgeous. I may not like the content of the film itself but it’s damn pretty to look at.

Tobar said:

short of raiding the LFL vault.

Do we even think an original master still exists? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Lucas personally used it for bonfire fuel.

I’ve been looking for an excuse to justify my absurd Star Wars home media collection! Haha.

There’s a huge assortment of options you can choose from. My personal favourite for both aesthetics and quality are the '94 UK Widescreen releases. Great quality and the artwork is to die for.

Excuse the crappy photo on my bar, but I was watching it earlier today, so here’s my copy of ESB under the aforementioned banner:

does the Japanese VHS of Revenge of the Sith have English audio?

Don’t count on it. I’ve only got the Australian and UK copies of ROTS on VHS, but I have several copies of TPM and AOTC from non-English speaking regions on VHS and they’re all dubbed in another language.

Get a PAL or Region Free VCR, you’ll be better for it 😉

I HIGHLY recommend the 1997 SE Limited Edition Collectors Set if you happen upon it at Goodwill or something

I highly recommend the 2000 reissue if you’re interested in the SE on VHS. It’s a much nicer, cleaner box in my opinion, plus you get some extra bonus features on there. Video Collector has all this on his site if you’re interested.

As Jason mentioned, Video Collector is seriously a great resource for this sort of thing. I’ve got a massive collection but it doesn’t even compare to his, and the amount of work he’s put into cataloguing it all is amazing. His site has helped me out numerous times. His VHS section is insane.

Star Wars toys are a dying breed it seems.

I’ve been a Star Wars toy collector for a couple decades and I’ve never seen it this bad, it’s unprecedented.

The 90s POTF figures flew off the shelves and the PT figures were even crazier. Want a Darth Maul in '99? Good joke.
Pop into Toys 'R Us in 2005 hoping to find a Clone Trooper of any variation? Don’t bet on it.

Even TFA had a huge demand for its figures, but Hasbro goofed and made the supply too low.

Now? RO, TLJ and Solo figures just sit on shelves taking up space, if the store even bothered stocking them at all, I know a few of mine haven’t.

A drastic drop of quality in the 3.75" line, the market not being what it once was, and a push for characters the audience doesn’t care about aren’t helping matters.

I bought one figure for TLJ, Luke. I then promptly gave it away after realising it came with zero accessories, and I didn’t like the movie anyway.

I got figures for TFA and RO but I probably won’t even bother for Solo. I liked the film but the new toys are just garbage honestly.

I’d love to give it a viewing if that’d help, also. Thanks for doing this by the way, the film deserves an HD theatrical reconstruction given its 20th anniversary next year.

Hope it’s not too off topic, but:

The blood test scene was shot on digital and the theatrical version would have had this as a video to film transfer

When was this confirmed? I knew George said one scene was shot digitally during production but I was under the impression it’d been kept a secret since release.

A basic reconstruction of the IMAX cut was done based on notes and uploaded, but God what I’d give for a CAM of the original source so we could reconstruct it more accurately.

It’s a shame the IMAX version was released so much later, I feel it’s a big reason nobody really bothered with a bootleg; the DVD was due pretty shortly after and the Centropy SVCD/VCD had been circulating for a while by then.

Maybe one day it’ll surface. A man can dream.

DominicCobb said:

Great character

“Character” 🙄

I’m curious as to what remains of the original cut, though I suppose the likelihood of finding out is probably on par with getting the original RO cut

SilverWook said:

Ryan-SWI said:

2. Tone down the amount of shots of the golden dice. We get it. TLJ reference. Don’t need to show us every five minutes.

How I’ve gone this many years without noticing that is embarrassing.

I stand corrected.

Enjoyed the film a lot more than I thought I would.

That being said I have a few personal issues I’ll address in my own eventual fan edit when the movie hits home media.

1. Get rid of the opening text after “A Long Time Ago…”, it really isn’t needed and feels a bit clunky.

2. Tone down the amount of shots of the golden dice. We get it. TLJ reference. Don’t need to show us every five minutes.

3. Not sure about how Han got his last name, I’m a bit 50/50 at the moment, will probably decide after thinking on it.

4. L3-37. Yuck. Trim her dialogue so all the droid rights talk is still in there, but chuck all the extremely forced political commentary; the fact that my entire theatre groaned through most of her lines and a couple people cheered when she died is something I don’t think the filmmakers really intended.
   This includes getting rid of the weird robot sex implied between her and Lando… Just no.

5. The Wookie scenes in the prison breakout seemed a bit unclear and unresolved in the grand scheme of Chewie’s arc. Not sure about some of these, will need to watch the film again before deciding.

6. Maul is gone. Talk about next level pandering.

Other than that I’m actually really happy with the film. I was extremely burned out after TLJ and expected the worst but I was pleasantly surprised. Not amazing, but definitely what I’d call good.

I selectively edited nothing, that is literally what you wrote and it’s right above to see.

We’ve all got shit going on, which is why I was trying to find common ground and be amicable to an extent. I’m not going to continue trying to do so when you label other people’s opinions “terrible” for not being your own and try to tear me down when I was just trying to be friendly in a pretty unfriendly thread.

If you’re telling the truth one would think you’d put a bit of thought behind your words before mouthing off at everyone who disagrees with you. I don’t have an issue with you or your opinions as they don’t affect me, but after this I’m not going to keep talking to you because I don’t enjoy pointless hostility.

As for the actual topic, darthrush basically nailed it

I didn’t mark them negatively because their opinions are different than mine.

I marked them negatively because their opinions are retrograde.

Imagine being that full of yourself.

I’m done responding to you.

moviefreakedmind said:

I was civil.

Clearly. I could have berated you earlier in the conversation but instead tried to find common ground and point out what I agreed with instead of letting it divulge into some stupid back and forth that changed neither of our minds.

Your response? To go on some weird rant about half the country having terrible opinions and negatively marking people with dissenting opinions to your own.

That’s why I told you to grow up.

EDIT: Also not appreciating you continuously taking my comments out of context and assuming I mean things without me stating so, and running with it to fit your narrative. That’s why I didn’t respond to many of your points.

moviefreakedmind said:

You obviously don’t because Jordan Peterson is one of those extremists on the right

Yes I remember where I said I was Jordan Peterson’s greatest fan, but clearly it’s all or nothing isn’t it? Either you’re madly in love with them and idolise them like a God or you think they’re Hitler’s second coming, of course.

Tearing someone down and shitting all over them because they have a terrible political opinion is completely rational.

Nope. The extreme right is more dangerous than the extreme left in this country.

I don’t care what anyone on either side calls me, I care about what each advocates and does. The mainstream right advocates and implements far more horrific policies than the mainstream left. I’m not talking about radicals.

Grow up.

I don’t agree with a lot of your viewpoints but I don’t feel the need to personally attack anyone for daring to not share my beliefs.

Either you’re extremely immature or insecure about your political stance and how you conduct yourself. Regardless you’re not worth discussing anything with when I was only trying to have a civil discussion on this fancy website called a forum

moviefreakedmind said:

he’s trying to pander to an audience of men that feel oppressed and disadvantaged in modern society and somehow don’t see the hypocrisy of them being against SJWs when they themselves are also trying to play the victim at every turn.

I think the extremes of both sides can be as bad as each other.

Both men and women face issues and it’d be a lot better for everyone if we stopped playing oppression Olympics and realised that. I’m just as sick of radical leftists calling me homophobic, sexist, etc. as I am of radical far righters calling everyone who doesn’t agree with them a ‘cuck’ or ‘beta.’

I’m right leaning but I probably feel just as annoyed at the extremists on the right side as the average left leaning person does for the extremists on theirs. It’s fine to disagree with someone, I just don’t get tearing people down and shitting all over them just because they have a different political opinion.

moviefreakedmind said:

he kept saying that men don’t know what the rules are, whatever that means

Yeah I’m not sure what he hoped to accomplish by making men sound like socially inept buffoons. If I’m going to guess then I’d say he’s referring to it not being “the norm” for very long? But again at this point it has been the norm for quite a while, so yeah. No idea.

It’s easier to enforce proper conduct in individual workplaces than it is in the streets of Detroit.

I stand by my statement of doing things that may garner unwanted attention probably isn’t a great idea, but I’ll concede the analogy may have been too extreme.

moviefreakedmind said:

It isn’t activism, it’s having effective HR departments at work. Men get sexually harassed too, so even if we were all being totally selfish here, this would benefit us too. Having zero-tolerance for sexual harassment won’t effect you if you don’t repeatedly make horribly unwarranted advances toward people.

I agree.

The three hours, getting dolled up, wearing sexy dresses, and god knows what else are all your additions to this. Peterson was talking about makeup in general. Even if I conceded that such behavior makes you a hypocrite, which I don’t, it’s still not representative of all working women that wear makeup.

In the full interview he doesn’t speak about ‘regular old makeup’, he refers to high-heels and sexualised lipstick, among other things.
It was also me trying to better understand what he was talking about given the context we have; the man’s annoyingly abrupt with most of his replies.

Detroit is a shithole that’s totally unsafe. We’re talking about professional work environments. That’s a false equivalence and you know it.

I don’t agree. Not all work environments are professional, safe, etc. I wish they were but they’re not. Just like I wish Detroit wasn’t a shithole, but it is. Different workplaces have different cultures, some of them pretty hostile.

TV’s Frink said:

You certainly implied it though.

No, actually, I didn’t. I was responding to this:

I know the right-wing likes to pretend that any and all claims of misogyny are just made up and fake

My response was to state why so many people don’t take the term as seriously as they used to. So no, I wasn’t implying anything.

Wow.

You can try and qualify it all you like, but you just made the “she was asking for it” defense of harassment (and assault/rape, by the way, since that’s often where this goes). Disgusting.

Yeah I never said that, I said if you do things to attract negative attention you’re going to get it. That’s a fact.

I also said multiple times in the same paragraph that it doesn’t mean you deserve it or should get it, but you will.

It’s not disgusting to say there’s shit people who will look for reasons to be pricks Frink, stop with the ad hominems

Or are you going to tell me that there aren’t terrible people who do terrible things given the opportunity?

moviefreakedmind said:

Then why say it at all if it isn’t relevant?

It was relevant. See above.

moviefreakedmind said:

Which I didn’t do.

I also never said you did.

moviefreakedmind said:

I know the right-wing likes to pretend that any and all claims of misogyny are just made up and fake

Generalising is always a good way to have a dialogue I hear.

It’s more the issue of it being turned into a loaded buzzword on the internet.

The idea that women who wear makeup are hypocrites for not wanting to be sexually harassed is misogynist, and it’s pathetic, and it’s disgusting.

Yeah, it is. Nobody should be harassed, sexually or otherwise.

But we don’t live on fantasy island.

Should you walk around Detroit in the middle of the night in a fancy suit carrying a briefcase full of cash? No. Why? You’ll get mugged. Should you get mugged? No. Do you deserve it? No. But you will, and you know why? There are terrible people in the world and no amount of bitching about it and activist movements will stop people from being terrible. Anyone with half a lick of sense knows that doing certain things are going to set off shitty people who want to do shitty things to you.

So yeah, if a woman spends three hours on makeup before work dolling herself up, wears a sexy dress and god knows what, she’s going to get attention. And she knows it.

Does she deserve negative attention? No, nobody does, but she’ll get it, and hopefully the assholes perpetrating it get reprimanded. But it won’t stop her getting it again in the future.

Being an asshole is gender-less but you can typically avoid attracting assholes by not walking around Detroit with a briefcase of cash.

Calling people who wear makeup “hypocrites” is a stretch and I don’t think that’s the right word to use, but I get what he’s at least trying to say.

EDIT: Edited because I had to retype my comment, didn’t post correctly the first time.

cineman513 said:

Is there any way to still get a camrip from Revenge of the Sith and ATOC?

If you know where to look online.

For physical copies comb through ebay, they occasionally pop up.

fmalover said:

from changes in colour timing to stuff like DNR and edge enhancement

I feel like DNR is this generation’s Pan & Scan.

Consumers are annoyed at the black bars and less image? Make it fill the screen.

Consumers don’t like how dirty the image looks? Digitally clean it.

The unfortunate truth is that the majority of consumers don’t care about having the truest master of the original version of the film, but rather what looks the “best”, even if it’s monumentally worse in doing so.

Ronster said:

This is why I like DVD so much still to this day.

Nothing had to be re-created as you say.

Are we talking about modifications from the original DCP to home media? Because I can name plenty of DVDs that suffered similar issues plaguing BDs, like DNR. Prime example given the website; The Phantom Menace.

fmalover said:

Just like there are some purists who will only listen to music on vinyl records

Unfortunately vinyl pressings can also have somewhat similar issues as A/V home media transfers, but that’s a bit off topic 😉

fmalover said:

from changes in colour timing to stuff like DNR and edge enhancement

I feel like DNR is this generation’s Pan & Scan.

Consumers are annoyed at the black bars and less image? Make it fill the screen.

Consumers don’t like how dirty the image looks? Digitally clean it.

The unfortunate truth is that the majority of consumers don’t care about having the truest master of the original version of the film, but rather what looks the “best”, even if it’s monumentally worse in doing so.

Ronster said:

This is why I like DVD so much still to this day.

Nothing had to be re-created as you say.

Are we talking about modifications from the original DCP to home media? Because I can name plenty of DVDs that suffered similar issues plaguing BDs, like DNR. Prime example given the website; The Phantom Menace.

Possessed said:

1080p blown up to imax size, gee that sounds beautiful.

IMAX Digital is a 2K projection.

So yes, 1080p would still look fine.

Not to mention, Attack of the Clones was shot in 2K, not 1080p.