Ronster

use the second icon in on the tool bar from the right it is green in color.

I am going to come at this from another angle and say that I don't think anything has been lost with the change of camera angle or movement. I will give my reasons and explain in this picture.

Ok what is missing.

1 tie fighter falls apart and has a brief flame trail as it crashes on the right we get that electronic flash from the other before they explode. The other thing that I think is contributing is the lack of the visible defined crack that the falcon escapes through that is throwing peoples perspective. But this crack is only revealed on the pan to the left which I think is what people are complaining about. So it's a reveal. I think this could be easily altered without having to re-film also using 2d animation and perhaps recoloring and and masking the original crack but using the canyon walls that are in the new shot.

But I also think that we have to accept this is a totally new shot and that having a different camera angle might not be a bad thing. I do see what people are saying about the velocity but it's also being effected by the lack of the crack that the falcon flies through in that we only see a curve and not a reference point to judge the velocity by.

There is really so little in the camera movement and I feel it's been overblown. And I am fine with it how it is now but If you want my analysis then this is my much closer inspection. I don't mind the angle of the falcon being altered and I prefer that the tie fighters are flying much faster it makes a lot more sense that they then crash and they look 100% better in revisited without any extra effects..

I think moving the canyon walls apart to reveal the crack would be similar to the camera movement except we would be pinned on the falcon. But I have only said this to try and appease the comments that keep flooding in as I personally really like the shot and I think most others do too. Just trying to verbalize or find out what it is exactly that others are going on about and I can see what they are saying but I look at things differently so I try to break it down better.

Edit:

One more thing I have noticed it when the falcon tilts over 90 degrees to the right. In the original there is also a slide to the right in position but this can be attributed to the pan to the left as a compensation.

Translating that exact movement would actually put the falcon a bit more over to the left and have more of a right pull sideways shift when banking around the corner. But at the end of the day like I said before it's a new shot and I am fine with it. just adding this to my observation.

The falcon CGI model of the 6 dark circles on the back only 3 appear to be black or dark in inner three look white for some reason. so I would hope that can be also made a bit darker like black grille circles.

Quick visual suggestion of adding a belt to the star field layer obviously not removing the new asteroids but it might give more depth on this shot.

@monroville re falcon escaping explosion...don't forget that the falcon is further back in revisited so the angle is going to be different and it also has further to fly.

@ Darth Venom Did you spot that Han points to the right when the Cave is actually on the left of the falcon?

When he says "That looks pretty good" the SFX Team team goofed up and never communicated which side the cave was going to be on and made Han look stupid..

I already suggested a fix for this but you know what It does not bother me that much at all. But If the Falcon could be made to appear that it was turning to the right before Han says this then it would fix it and could be done via 2d animation with the rock face as they fly out.

But you can also just say well it's only a movie and forget about it. But to me this is the last problem of the sequence and as always It's rarely a Revisited issue as their work is pretty stunning I wish they would change things more sometimes but it's at that point you get into dangerous ground like George Lucus Did. But I will leave it there for a ponder and not going to complain if it is left alone either. Is it worth fixing? it really won't change all that much from what happens anyway or perhaps do some harm.

But the cave cannot be moved so this is the only way if it even modestly deserves a fix.

My Point Darth Venom is how much should you stray from the source material in order to fix the stuff that a lot of people will not notice. But once you notice it and you know about it a persons perspective will change on the subject. But that does not mean it's worth any effort.

^this

the other shot in the belly of the asteroid has shakes while they are throwing themselves about and this should too IMO.

As for gravity in the asteroid they are on a rock spinning through space no fixes needed it's that way deal with it.

The new canyon walls can't be a step bacward as firstly they are no longer black and white and secondly the explosion looks so much better. Ok the falcon movement might get tweaked about and the ties but he basis in a very large capacity for an improved sequence is already there.

Seeing the clip of the canyon made me think that you are thinking about post converting this into Stereoscopic 3D? Or that it is being considered or that you will recruit somone or do this yourself at a later time?

I am not pining for a 3D conversion let me be clear about that but it seems like the elements are in place to really do this with your version more so than the original or special edition. Anyway I don't have a 3D TV but i plan to get one in the future at some point.

darth_ender said:

Ronsters of the world will still find editing errors and inconsistencies that no one had ever noticed or cared about before, and surely someone will then think that it's essential to have it fixed and they will never survive another viewing of the film without being driven up the wall for that little problem.  It will never be perfect.  Just accept what is good enough and what you love, and I know we will all love it as well.  Thanks for all you do.

PS No offense to Ronster, whom I like very much.  I'm just teasing.

 No editing errors found!

Really great clip, yes I can get used to it being like that in the future. Great work. Needs to be watched in full screen as I missed the tie fighter Debris and that looks great also. That rock at the bottom looks great sort of 3d effect similar to the weather vane going on with the shot works ever so well.

I like first version better of tie fighters but like the second clip also with closer fly by so I don't know if you are going to tinker about a bit more but yeah they are both really good.

Attack of the clones, argh well I hate the prequeals but without thinking about taking any footage into consideration what so ever the problem with the Anakin storyline are as follows in my opinion.

It's too forced in our face that Anakins Mum ended up at the lars homestead and was captured and then brought back dead to brood. It's a crap plot that has absoluteley zero thought put into it.

First off Anakins Mother should have never been freed from slavery even though Anakin could perhaps or was told he won the right to her freedom.

If anything, Anakin should have saved his dying mother and brought her to the lars homestead as a last ditch effort to save her life and been welcomed in by the kind people that just happened to live there with no previous connections.

This is where a Bond could flourish between Padme and That family rather than Anakin who was just by his mothers side although grateful would be predisposed with obvious fear of losing his Mother. And this would be an obvious connotations that This kind family would ask "Are you thinking of having a family of your own?"... "Please come back and visit us someday..." Blah Blah Blah the simple stuff that would evolve into something much greater down the line as Padme and both Obi-wan would have little places left to turn.

Or Perhaps even that Anakin runs Off and Padme alone stops here before eventually finding Anakin in the desert. Perhaps Owen and Beru could not have their own family due to mediacal reasons.

The story needs a reason to be told, and show how things are connected that you would never guess. Not My Dad, My Mum, My Brother, My Sister, My Uncle, My Auntie, My Son, My Daughter,My Business, My Politics,  My 2nd cousins goldfishes niece. It is a Trash piece. The thing about it is the plot is so bad and so mind numbingly simple that I would even struggle to write something as bad as these films and I am not a writer.

Are we really meant to believe we are in this large Universe where everyone is related to one another in some way at a very close level. The story also lacks any kind of maturity that even a child would ask simple yet big questions without thought and if aimed at children how did it manage to educate or teach them anything of the world we live in. What was the moral of the story?

You could argue that the prequels focused on Politics and that they tried to show that some politicians will say whatever they can and manipulate to get into power for their own desires?

But a fundamental issue with this is that kids don't think in politics they think at a much more emotional level even adults do more so but keep in mind being politically correct. So wrong focus also on too much politics that just goes amiss and removes the human factor it's more like a big business space opera than what was served in the OT.

Was it an attempt to display Global Corporate Star Wars?

Like in the OT all the planets felt like different countries and were more based on natural beautiful environs but in the PT it was more industrial citified in the universe there was always some kind of connection through Business or Henchmen or politics where as the OT had much more focus on just showing more simple view of the universe.

Should Anakin have become gradually more machine than man? Lost an Arm here a leg there then a more full on Destruction of his body. Showing him gradually become less Human along with his emotions? Sustaining many injuries throughout the films? Would a better message have been that how could Padme love her now more "Robot man" and that caused him to strike out at her rather than the stupid way it is done now. That is a Human Story there not what we got. That's a reality that some people won't stick with you when circumstances change. She should have left him because she could not love how much he had changed emotionally and physically. You would then be dealing with the aftermath of war and fighting and the emotional struggles that are often harder to overcome than the battles themselves. That would turn the focus on it's head enough to portray 2 human stories and that neither one Padme or Anakin were Good or Evil but just Human and in anakins case not so Human anymore.

I would have Padme survive but have been told she lost her children through miscaridge. But for her to return into the frey in Jedi as Vader hunts her down upon discovering his son is alive and hence Vader finds out about Leia and that she had two kids and was lied to about the miscaridge in effect her children was stolen from her but for her own benefit not for evil obviously. But Vader being the key to unlocking this truth even though she left him. Perhaps Vader would show mercy and this could be the start of his change of heart. If Padme had started to see another Male for emotional support as Anakin became more Robot that would give even more Just cause for the Jedi to remove the children from Padme given those circumstances. But I am already overwriting what I wrote previously. IN this scenario Obi-Wan would need to form the relationship with the Lars Family neither Padme or Anakin and to be honest it makes 100% more sense. What with Obi-Wan also lying to Luke about his father the all but Finished Jedi Order start to become painted in a totally different Light rather than just "The Good Guys" even though they are at the bottom of their hearts some times you have to be bad to be good right?

Or taking another point of view perhaps Padme could have been the all loving woman would it not have been better that Padme was lied to about the death of her husband or perhaps it was thought to be true so It was not a lie. Anyway we need some big deep rooted lies or misunderstandings and revelations as the PT caters to filling in gaps rather than telling us a story we knew nothing about and was nowhere near complicated enough on an emotional level but too complicated on a political level.

Anyway I don't have the answers but I know it just ain't Star Wars Anymore. This whole story could be told in a matter of 25 minutes and an idea of mine for quite a long time now was to try and wrap it all up in ROTJ rather than another 3 films which was wholly not needed. Even splicing in at the end of ESB after the falcon get's away is a perfect time for Vader to reflect anyway my tuppence worth I do love the OT but Jedi is Ripe for going back in time a lot more so than Empire. But I also cringe at the thought of polluting the OT with PT footage so It would have to be a top production with all new everything spliced in to the OT

And I always wanted Luke to return to the Lars Homestead while on Tattooine in ROTJ it makes perfect sense and re-cements the loss of his foster parents and the conflict between his father and the Empire.

I was looking through your ESB change list and I thought I would bring it up on this shot you never mentioned about the lost frames to R2 arm lighting up and longer plugging in sequence from the original. The SE cut's this short

I really wish I could take a screen grab but I am sorry but I cannot do that at the moment. But I think it's worth noting the lost frames due to the different edit and timing of the footage.

I think the starfield shot is a bit misleading although correctly we are ahead in timing of extended footage.

If you want to address it then I'll leave it up to you how you handle it but you have done a great job with your comparisons so far they are very interesting.

Since we are on this whole capture of Han section, I thought I would post up a rough mock up I did for the sound of Hans Blaster about 5 months ago. His gun makes the same sound through out ANH and ROTJ but in ESB it makes 3 different sounds.

To me Hans Blaster is a signature sound like Dirty Harry's magnum has a unique sound.

Here's the dining room scene with the most frequently used sound for his Blaster.

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/zr2v48lm6p5ywv8/hans_Blaster_fix%281%29.wmv

Now weather or not this should be altered or not I personally don't mind but I think it's worth considering and I think it could be a potential improvement if done better than the way I have in the rough mock up also because Ady has added the very cool ricochet's my thought was to re-time the original weedier sound for those bounce off lasers but I will leave it there. the other instance is when in the belly of the asteroid worm thing. Han shoots a mynoch is a different sound but when he shoots the ground the normal sound for his Blaster is heard once again. It's not too much trouble to alter it but it's a case of should it be altered?

I brought this up a while ago but never posted the mock up so I thought I would share it now as It is perhaps more appropriate at this time.

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I also found a page with restored music ques today. And there is some stuff I really like in them. The page is below.

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/the-empire-strikes-back-restored-music/

Now with regard to this as there is quite a few videos, But I will try and point out what I liked the most if you are thinking of adding extra musical cues in I hope others will do the same or what and how using some of it or selected parts can be perhaps another way to look at it.

Echo Base :- from "General I gotta Leave" I thought was good otherwise it was bad.

Han to the Rescue :- Nah did not work for me

Hoth Search - Good up until Luke finally collapses. Perhaps up until the 2nd shot of Han riding the taun taun accent but no more end on the timpani probably. That music cue of the first shot of Han on the Taun Taun is really interesting to me though.

Probe Droid - Good up until C3PO talking about imperial code but once that line is over the score reverts back to being good again up until the lead into the probe droid shots which is a bit over done. But once Han and chewie engage good again until Imperial fleet shots

North Ridge - nah does not work

Meet Yoda - playful begining is good but once we get to yoda eating the food stick then it's interferring. But Playful outro on "come we must eat" is good also. there is an extra chime before the cue that exists in the original that would be a nice add coming in a couple of seconds earlier.

Mynocks - Wow the way that starts is amazing but I think the silence is better once we get to the falcon cockpit. But I liked the mysterious sting when Leia first catches a glimpse of a Mynock

Jedi Training - Nah does not work. But I like the atmospherics that kick in as Luke puts Yoda down leading into Darkside Cave.

Luke Vs Vader 1 - The entrance atmospheric music to the carbon freeze chamber are great up until Vader speaks.

Luke Vs Vader 2 :- the music sting as Luke looses his light sabre is good for all 2 seconds of it otherwise did the scene no justice.

That is my pick and ditch of the unused score.

doubleofive said:

What are we going to do, recreate the shot with a 501st member who doesn't lose his helmet?

That stormtrooper helmet Is a pretty bad goof. Banging your head is one thing but Now I will sit and wait for that to happen in this scene so I'll join the please fix if possible group. I know goofs can be charming but I don't think this one is in the charming catergory.

You can see the actor or extras head which is a big no no to me.

I said there can't be many more then wham! straight in with another will this ever end?

timdiggerm said:

Hey, no one had spotted the matte misalign on the Falcon @ Bespin until this week.

Non essential errors?

Don't fret about people pointing out stuff. It has more or less been said and covered before.

I don't think it is possible to find anymore issues in the original films that finished a while ago.

Ronster said:
there's no way "Bring my shuttle" and this scene could work unless you either have empty platform or perhaps Luke's x-wing. [/quote]

Not entirely true. Read what I just said earlier. Of course there would be a time lapse from when he says "Bring my shuttle" and the shot of the platform, but it'd help that sense of time lapse better if the shuttle is seen landing, instead of already landed.

While I'm thinking of it, it could also be a good idea to see/hear a tie fighter or two go past in the background. Perhaps they were the shuttle's escort and now going about around the city, further occupying and threatening the city that Lando warned them about (who could potentially be, but maybe not, 2 of the 4 fighters who pursue the Falcon later).

This is when I really wish I could create a motion mock-up/concept :)[/quote]

Well I watched the events leading up to Luke landing and Vader does say "Bring the princess and the wookie to my ship" So that means Vaders ship is there already for a fact. So it's safe to assume that Vader went to closest Launch Platform rather than where his ship actually was. But I suppose you can see where the special edition was coming from on this. The real missing scene by the script is Vader watching the falcon re-approach cloud city that would have tied it all together much better without the need to see ships taking off and landing or on launch pads etc. Although the script timeline is jumbled up from what is in the film. As Tobar said Flow of the film should always be the primary concern over anything else.

@imperial fighter I love the way you break down the footage in your analysis. anyway I had an idea and excuse the crude art skills I was never born with, but anyway you'll know what I mean and it's not that I am bothered about it either. Just an idea.

or more like

Or keep it unflipped as you say but try to make it feel as if they are on the same place a bit more

Probably more like this though

And the perhaps impossible...

Lando's looking at R2!

I really don't want to dwell on this and I actually really don't want to say any more than I have already recently but I did get that idea about the x-wing being there instead because we never knew for one where Luke parked it and what happened to it and I was also trying to save that bit of footage if it's heading for the scrap heap.

But I will also add I don't think it matters and I don't think it's something we need to see in the film. But I looked on the internet and other people also wonder about what happened to the x-wing so this would confirm that they confiscated this one, and possibly searched it and tried to retrieve info from it. But there is no way they got anything from it, but it's logical in that sense.

Exactly the reason why I did have the idea because there's no way "Bring my shuttle" and this scene could work unless you either have empty platform or perhaps Luke's x-wing. And also because I really like the way all the cloud city shots look in revisited so I want more.

I had a chuckle about it and I am not 100% serious. That's why I think it's a great DVD Menu scene :) But this is my poor attempt to save this scene.

Just a quick thought on this shot... Instead of the Lambda shuttle there.

How about Luke's x-wing instead. I know that is stretching things a bit far in terms of the film and something we don't need to see in the film but ultimately not sure if this is for the axe or not in revisited but It would make for a nice DVD menu screen of Lukes X-wing parked up there on a landing Pad :)

either way Lukes x-wing on a landing platform DVD Menu I think it would be fantastic.

Nice work, this problem you are trying to solve has always bugged me, so I really hope you get this done. Great job so far

Yeah i got the gist of that... While i was doing this i realised you cannot have it all.

If I had to pinpoint the issue with both the original and the special edition I think R2's arm interface is the lynch pin of the sequence in both films yet neither managed to get something as simple as this out the way all in one shot.

Deploy >>> Light up >>> plug in >>> electricuted

I really think it's that simple a problem.

I spent this morning looking at the audio for Lando's announcement scene.I have found a section where the 2 mixes can co-exist (SE & OUT) but as far as how that will effect the footage is perhaps another matter.

The SE Mix is pitched down a tone exactly or near enough a complete tone compared with the OUT mix.

So this only proves that both mixes can co-exist so far as footage goes that is out of my remit as I am not a skilled video editor. But I do realise that with doing one thing something more or less will be sacrificed.

In this audio clip I sacrificed the extra line "Attention" as this was the cause of the music not matching up. I also pitched it up to match the out mix. But kept from the SE mix "The Empire has taken control of this city" from SE mix scene of the exterior of cloud city.

Like I said this only proves the audio can co-exist not necessarily the footage. and it is only a rough mock up also.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/un5u8tua1f83sow/lando%27s+announcement+mix.wav#39;s_announcement_mix.wav

It would like to also say I don't expect anything to change but I did want to understand the issue and this was what I came up with if it helps then great if not no problem but I do totally understand the problem.

Talking about the flip shots, that last shot of the storm troopers running out and shooting at Leia is flipped also the shot before she goes out the door.

Their gun holsters are on the other side of their body. I actually think this makes more sense to be un-flipped as they are coming out from where leia was standing previously where the window was. I don't see any damage to unflipping that one but perhaps there is.

I also had a thought today about this whole "look out", "Behind us" SE addition which you won't find on any lists on SE change lists and what not. But If Ady likes this addition as it's in the clip we got treated to. Should that not be C3PO saying those lines instead? I could handle those words then.

@Bingowings I was hoping to see R2 coming from the door as leia runs too, but this is obviously not possible unless the team have an R2 unit. But I think they may get one at some point

Well to me it sounds as if this is the way it is. Nothing I say will make any difference to it and I certainly won't be editing the film myself so I will just have to put up with the way it is now, I have not the audacity [ no pun intended :) ]

But you are right about opening up cloud city is a good thing, and there is nothing wrong with how the shots there were tweaked It's as silverwook said it.

But I have tried to highlight my concerns, about this section not to bash the teams work but to take stock of what the damage is. It's a battle of pro's and con's what has been gained and what has been lost. What were the hurdles and why it is like it is.

I'll hope the audio is still temp and some of what I brought up could be addressed but I have a feeling this is a final set in stone so never mind.

muddyknees2000 said:

.Mac. said:

If I remember right, it was the idea to swap the order of those two SE shots, right? First show the outside shot of hundreds of people THEN show the interior hallway shot of the 3 persons. I would have preferred this order too, definitely. It makes more sense that people would stop and intently listen to his message after hearing more of what he was saying, rather than immediately at the beginning.

 While that does make some amount of sense that was not my specific issue with the scene. The original has R2 plugging in and getting shocked immediately......the SE version now has a very lengthy amount of time between R2 deploying his interface tool (sounds dirty no matter how you say it), and finally plugging in. He literally sits there and does nothing the entire time Lando is making his speech....and they're supposed to be in a wicked hurry. They've also trimmed off a couple of seconds of R2 footage in which we see a very cool pulse of tiny lights on his interface tool.....another detail lost to shoddy SE editing.

Just bugs me and I'd have liked to have seen it restored....I even had someone (might have been JT) edit me up a clip that restored the original timing of everything while keeping the SE additions....and another that reduced the wait time before R2 finally plugs in to about half of what it is in the SE (just to have more than one option).....but the problem isn't a visual one, it's an audio one. The original, unaltered audio doesn't exist in enough separated channels for Ady to do a thing about it......most unfortunately.

 I knew there had to be good reason for it. Such a shame I did not notice the R2 scene either I will check that today just for curiosity. How ironic though that the decent audio does not exist in enough channels but the shoddy one does.

So the mix Ady is using is not from the Gout for the audio edits he did make? like Fett and Leia's lines...

And that mix obviously has not got the audio needed to restore it?

I have never worked with 5:1 or 7:1 audio surround mixes but I am pretty sure that a bass track could be created from using a filter and slinging that audio on that channel and the mid -top end across the stereo channels. Not everything needs surround sound channel sound. the center channel could just be a mono mix of the stereo. assuming it would not cause any phasing issues. Without fully understanding both surround mixes and the actual problem with the other mix and how they are incompatible I can't really offer any help there but I am sure you have done your best with it. But I would be happy to try and help on this if it's what you wanted to do.

I don't mind the special edition views during the announcement that much but I do feel it pulls the viewer out the moment. the large crowd exterior one is ok. I don't like the corridor shot at all.

You can hear the better take from the radio drama here for C3PO's lines that sound muffled in the original soundtrack. If that could be fixed I think it would be some consolidation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLC83AC944D382CF7F&v=Whlt5gOuu4o#t=397

Hal 9000 said:

Does anyone know if the final version of the Emperor scene has ever been made available yet in HD? I'm planning cobbling together a crude custom SE for personal use and archiving, and view Adywan's version of that scene as the best option. If not, I'll have to wait for the final release. Thanks.

 No... We have an idea of what it will be like but we don't really know of the final on it.

@brash I thought it was final as it said completed. I just put my gout DVD in and I seriously think it works better the whole Lando announcement scene apart from the bad C3P0 audio about over riding the security systems.

I would love to see it taken back to the original version here with no special edition additions whatsoever. The special edition should have fixed the bad audio take and nothing more IMO. Is that possible? Is there any decent footage of Lando on the microphone? In all honesty I am not discounting the teams work everything they have done is brilliant. But I am becoming of the opinion if I had the skill to take that scene back to the original version I would. But I don't know if it could be done.

Would anyone actually miss this scene with the people standing about in cloud city? Is the 35mm scan print in good enough shape for that?

The gout audio also has the quieter alarm which is far less jarring on the fade down. Gout audio also has fade off as C3PO is carted away by Chewbacca for "don't blame me" I said ti before even checking this mix as it felt natural to me.

No anger here either I am only saying what I think so please don't anyone be angry with me..

I have been watching the clip again and there is one more audio mistake from the original.

C3PO again "well don't blame me, I'm not supposed to know a power socket from a computer terminal"

His voice volume stays the same even though he is being carted off by chewie. This really sucks you out of feeling like you are there and obviously shows itself as an overdub audio sample. Could his line be faded out in volume as he is carted away by chewie. In all the other shots it's not an issue but as the camera is static and he is getting much further away from us it really pulls you out the moment.

And of course none of the stuff I have mentioned is the teams fault. On this section of Lando's announcement and the running I felt pulled out of the film on numerous occasions. But like I said it's not a revisited fault. It's the movie  that you are working with that did that.

adywan said:

That has to stay as a flipped shot for continuity. Not all mistakes can be fixed

 Does the other one have too as well?

I broke my star wars embargo to watch the clip and I did really enjoy it.

Cloud city looks great and the duel is also taken up a notch for sure.

Did you think about using the Gout audio for them running through the crowd without the "look out!" "behind us" lines I think that it's better without that addition from the SE but I suppose you like it better with it.

C3PO when he's asking R2 to over ride the computer systems before Lando's announcement.. It sounds much better than it did in this clip but it still sticks out to me as not sounding correct compared to the rest of his lines. Did you try to use the lines from the radio drama although I know it would be tricky with all the music that is going on. But I reckon if it was possible it would improve that little bit more.

Been to work and pondered one more thought. I thought I could hear where you intercut in the carbon freeze chamber between the SE mix and the other theatrical mix you are using. Whilst I did not think it was an issue the SE mix features a louder alarm. Without checking the SE mix I am unsure how long the louder alarm continues for, The oinly thought I had about this difference in the mixes was that perhaps the louder alarm could be used to advantage and when Luke & Vader move away from the area where it is initially heard the other mix could be introduced at this point. But without checking the SE mix I am not sure how long it stays loud for and if this would really make any difference but it was a thought I had of using different mixes for spacial awareness to the source of the alarm sound.

Edit:

Just checked the SE mix and it fades at exactly the same point so that makes me think is there any way to keep that alarm going at the same volume for longer until Luke and Vader move away. or have the quieter alarm throughout I think the other mix has this.

Thanks again for sharing the clip I really did think it was very well done.