Ronster

This was brought up the last time we saw the asteroid chase. About this asteroid that perhaps meant to be the "Big One".

Is there anyway to make it look as though the fairly large chunk of rock they do a barrel roll to avoid can be shown getting closer than the big round rock?

In terms of perspective you would not see the surface of the "Big One" from the cockpit. or perhaps only a slight hint of it at most.

Is there a possible fix by trying to show the one they do a barrel roll to avoid is the one getting closer?

Or perhaps another way which might be better... Is to show the big round one's height to be much higher out the cockpit window (perhaps no alteration needed?). so it could appear that they fly underneath it. on the next shot a hint of the round one could be shown above the falcon.

or perhaps the dodgy looking 2d asteroid that you quite rightly removed could find a place to fix it better?

That is assuming that you don't have a fix for it yet... If you do then great but I think this could work as they clearly dive down in the shot prior to the ext asteroid field shot. C3-PO falls forward on Chewbacca so they obviously took a dive? or is he just cuddling him?. Damn I think he is just cuddling him but if It could be made to look like a sharp dive by adding a shake or something? And obviously that 2D underside surface of the "Big Round One" would shift off screen upwards pretty fast and get slightly scaled bigger (scaled up) as it goes off screen

Thanks for the feedback and It's not something I feel strongly about changing, It's an idea from quite a while back now that I came up with.

What I think it does though is give the cloud car the back seat and Leia the front seat where as in the special edition music it draws more attention to the cloud car flying in front of the window. This music I used I think draws more attention to Leia pacing up and down by the window and stays with her through to her "Somethings Wrong" .

It's no biggie but I thought I would share it. This is a bit different from the rest as it is 100% re-score and no restoration of unused cues. and I think you are right this has now gone a bit flat with this change.

I spent a long time trying to take this back to the orignal cues today and it's not easy to fill the middle. There could be another way though....

With regard to the escape from Echo Base restored music... Something that now watching again to do with video is Vader now the wrong side of "Punch It!"? Perhaps these 2 need switching around the other way in the timeline. Or a better description might be Vader has always been the wrong side of "Punch it!".

Bespin Fly Through Final

http://vimeo.com/103312836

I have tried very hard with this not totally happy with it but I have managed to restore the music from the original whilst having to add lib in the middle. First off the transition is a bad one from "There is another" so I smoothed this out by starting the music a bit sooner to smooth that over. That also meant rebuilding the whole sound mix for the x-wing fly by's but also meant that the music does not line up exactly how it used to but I don't think there is any damage from this. Then I also had to rebuild the sound mix for the cloudcars and fill the gap with music in the middle before finally restoring the music and sound effects from the original when Leia is by the window. The music in the original does much the same as what I was trying to achieve with the re-score. Focus on Leia not on cloudcars. Anyway this has taken a while so hope this is considered at least a good effort and brings back the original feel of the scene whilst keeping the special edition footage. I am starting to nod this though compared to the special edition version.

A re-do and a rescore...

Escape From Echo Base Final

http://vimeo.com/103070044

Redone this one as It was not correct now it is a lot better and rebuilt the sound mix where neccesary removing the whining falcon sounds and putting a better breath sound for Vader. The clip I used for the missing shot is actually got the falcon the wrong way round but It conveys the period of time that is missing from the sequence. All in all. This needs to be restored to the film without doubt in my mind. Should have been in the special edition.

Bespin Fly Through Rescore

http://vimeo.com/103070504

Rescored using music suggestion. Instead of the music that was used for the special edition for this scene which is repeated score. I have chosen to repeat another bit of score for when Yoad warns Luke he "Will Be" Afraid. This music not only fits the tone of the scene better but goes as far to suggest this is what yoda could see coming when he warned Luke to Be afraid. I think it works and improves the tone and gives a bit more substance to a scene which otherwise Is just special effects shots. Only Just noticed that the sound of the door opening is late and has bad timing so that needs fixing too. But I am not going to bother at this point. That is a film error not my error.

Once again anyone who drops by to listen and watch hope you enjoy them and feel free to comment on these or anything else I have done.... Only a few more to go. Including a re-do of the probe droid scene.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ronster said:

Darth Vader says to Luke in the Light Sabre Duel.

"Obi-Wan has taught you well"

Considering he killed Obi-Wan two films ago films ago and in the previous film already had a fight with Luke where he beat the crap out of him and then he comes out with this line.

Bad script writing that.

Unless you believe Vader is in Contact with Obi-Wan but I don't think that at all but it is a slight possibility but I put it down to error than a hint of Vader talking to Obi-Wan or Obi-wan even showing up to speak with Vader just seems off. no no...

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The ROTJ Vader v Luke duel isn't really a LS duel, it's more a battle of wills between Luke and The Emperor. Neither Luke nor Vader ever intend to kill the other. The Emperor has two sticks to beat Luke with, his fathers attacks and the danger to Luke's friends. It's all subtext, watch that scene again.

When Vader says "Obi-Wan has taught you well" he is refering to the way Luke controlled his brewing anger and switched off his lightsaber and didn't let the Emperor provoke him. He is not commenting on Luke's relative skills with a blade. Ben spent almost zero time teaching Luke how to handle a sword but he has talked to him about controlling his fear etc.

This is brilliant writing. This is not an error.

Darth Vader says to Luke in the Light Sabre Duel.

"Obi-Wan has taught you well"

Considering he killed Obi-Wan two films ago films ago and in the previous film already had a fight with Luke where he beat the crap out of him and then he comes out with this line.

Bad script writing that.

Unless you believe Vader is in Contact with Obi-Wan but I don't think that at all but it is a slight possibility but I put it down to error than a hint of Vader talking to Obi-Wan or Obi-wan even showing up to speak with Vader just seems off. no no...

I kind of feel a bit bad for bringing this up as Ady has said the Battle of Hoth is finished. And I really don't want to come across as asking for anymore than has already been achieved no doubt. I am sure it will be amazing. But I have been looking into white loss from the original and the Special edition.

Now as small enhancements go this could perhaps be a way of putting back what has been lost color wise that is perhaps not possible to bring back through any means I am aware of. But I am talking about the white from the Flak Blasts only and any surrounding coloration which is faded in the Special edition.

These effects have been damaged although the picture has been enhanced although the cockpits have been over blown in some cases. Anyway I did a small demonstration of what I am trying to get at by restoring the whites. This does not pertain to any remnants of Flak Blast I am only talking about the white levels and aura coloration.

All Bar this shot I feel I managed to restore some of what has been lost in color whilst retaining the "new Look" of the special edition but keeping the white of the GOUT.

This seems to have been totally blown out this shot but the rest are not so bad that I have looked at. Anyway I did this in the form of a PDF as there are too many images to upload on a post so please see the PDF below.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/8fhvo1rv8vcra7d/FLAK+BURST+COMAPRISON.pdf

Now weather this is something that perhaps could be considered an improvement or enhancement and something that you may consider doing to restore better white levels as I have omly used the hand drawn 2D animation from the Gout inserted over the washed out FLAK Bursts IN the Special Edition in there White State. Apart from the first one I altered the Hue and Saturation to match the original Flak Bursts rather than the new Special Edition ones.

Is it something that can be achieved another way or is this the only way? I think it makes an improvement but I will leave it there as I understand if it's now too late to do anything of this sort. Even if it won't take that long? although there are quite a few of them i think some are much more noticeable than others. But I think it improves and restores some of the original look and put's back some of what has been lost.

With something like this although very minor change throughout the film you start to notice it more and more compared with the original whites and the special edition whites and any color loss from their transfer and color changes.

EDIT

Playing with Hue and saturation on some of the original flashes also brings more color to the flashes which possibly is more enhancement to the original effects. In many of the SE flashes the color simply is not there to alter it.

On another note...

This may or may not prove useful as I came across this last week so I thought I better post it here in case it is helpful but not in terms of useable footage but perhaps movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NXp_-l_9Z8A#t=759

Luke it's too late!

That line is not in the film is it?

That really should not have been cut out. Good work

DuracellEnergizer said:

I personally prefer to believe Luke took swordfighting lessons in between SW and TESB.

I have been wanting to highlight this for ages about how some of the light effects got totally ruined so I took the time to rip the Gout just to do this as ever since I first saw the film for a long time in it's original version the memories came flooding back.

FLAK SPLASH

Original

Special Edition

FLAK BURSTS

Original

Special Edition

POV Hyperspace

Original

Special Edition

Falcon Hyperspace Engines

Original

Special Edition

I don't think I need to make a description it's as plain as day. I don't think the colors and vibrancy are even in there any more for these effects. Not sure what process caused this but it was damaging.

Are these 2D animations? did they composite this from the original instead of just using the original footage thus destroying the colors?

Original

Special Edition

This is from your comparisons... Where is the blue ring gone from the Flak burst? Did they re-composite these also? no there treated them as the same as the background and turned up the brightness and took out the magenta. Actually over blowing the image whilst color correcting it a bit. But the space shots are different. They have had purposeful color changes made to them.

One Last one about these Hand painted effects and they seem to have come off far worse than other elements but this one is almost up there with the hyperspace cockpit shot also.

Tie Bomber Original

Tie Bomber Special Edition

Washed out.... this is vs the 2004 SE which compacted the problem even more with these hand painted effects. No more brilliant whites is part of the issue but I am not sure what caused this to happen. I am no master of color correction but I fiddled about trying to get the white back and It's gone.

Is there any changes in the 2006 dvd? because it's not as bad in that I don't think (special edition)

EDIT: it's my transfer of the 2004 SE so it's not quite as bad as these pics but it is still bad compared to the original for the brilliant white loss.on the Hand painted effects

gizzy2000 said:

darklordoftech said:

Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.

Yes I agree, especially with the lightsabers. Yoda never should've had a lightsaber at all; he didn't even train Luke with a lightsaber and told him not to take the weapons with him in the cave. Giving them lightsabers just dumbed down the characters and gave Lucas an excuse to do more lightsaber fights. Also, on theforce.net a forum poster said he hoped the OUT was never released, and that Disney would go back and replace yoda with CGI, and add a scene where Yoda trains Luke (played by a stand in) and teaches him how to lightsaber fight, not even joking (there's a reason I never looked at theforce.net again).  

It won't be too far in the future that you won't be able to even buy or rent DVD's Blu-Rays of movies I fear let alone kill off film.

It feels like a complete removal of any kind of physicality of media on the horizon. Everything will be streamed and downloaded by the user and the device used to make it i.e. video camera streams what you have filmed and downloads it to a PC for editing.

Although it has made the process inexpensive... I hope there will still be a desire for physical media. Like Old Vinyl Records, and that quality will become cherished or they can find an alternative method to physically capture footage again physically but more inexpensively perhaps using different materials.

There is a massive Kodak plant near where I live that shut down, it's now being developed for property. Kodak were not quick enough jumping on to the digital band wagon. They are nearly finished unless they can pull something out of the bag. A lot of jobs were lost and quite bad all round in general.

SNowspeeders Take Flight. Luke's Rescue

http://vimeo.com/102392112

So I could not restore the original music the isolated voice track from Removing the soundtrack was not good enough. This is what I settled on.

1.Added faint shivering sounds to Luke when in the Taun Taun from Radio Drama

2. Extended the music prior to the scene transitioning to the next day and held a Black Screen with only music and Sound effects Everything drops out piece by piece and then gradually builds back up again. I think this is the main improvement to the transition. It really gives a lot more time for things to set in, I think it helps make the search a bit more dramatic also as It's not rushing to get on with the rescue. I only did this because this is what the music that plays led me to, in the original film it fades of before there is a natural fade off in the music so it's either not intended to go like this with the footage or it was meant to be a much slower transition like I have interpreted as. Which I think is interesting how it was cut off short to get to the next scene quicker rather than waiting a bit longer.

3. Smoothed the cut between "Hyperspace" and the "Snowspeeders take flight" 

I am Also unsure about this music that comes after in the piece so I have not altered the music in The Bacta Tank this should stay as is on Reflection as I am not sure it is for this part at all.

Hope you folks enjoy it.

The only technique that I can conceive to actually get a full range to zev's voice so as his voice could be isolated would be to record somone doing at least a half decent impersonation of him and say the lines exactly the same. Because "Hyperspace" for the most part is in the lower band of the audio spectrum most of Zev's accent is reatined after the soundtrack is removed so It may be possible to add the impersonation and what's left over from the soundtrack removal to rebuild zev's lines to a fuller sounding voice. The impersonation to restore the bass in his voice and keep what is possible from the original actor. Kind of like a mixture of two voices to create one voice.

Snowspeeders Take Flight Restored

http://vimeo.com/102512839

So this was the one you probably wanted to see.... That music that I did not know what it was for is actually for the BACTA TANK. This is the best effort I could muster to restore the full sequence with the original music. Zev's voice is not good enough I accept that.
Anyway it's been a headache I still think it may be a bit incorrect you will notice where it is :) but it is nearly there now for how it was intended originally. Even just for curiosity it is a fun ride. Funny how I said the Jaws inspired moment ended up being the Bacta Tank after all with Luke in Scuba Gear perhaps John Williams got a bit carried away or Lucus put him up to it. Funny either way. It must of been a bit more of him thrashing about than the cuts we see in the film. The Transition is when we cut to C3-PO and R2 wether that should be reatined could perhaps work?

Escape From Echo Base

http://vimeo.com/102441750

Restored the music from where the Falcon escapes from Echo Base. Found a small cinematic from the SEGA Star Wars Trilogy Arcade Game. I used this for the missing special effects shot in the sequence to restore the cues. Although crude it's interesting to hear the full build up without the cuts. I have to also say that I agree with the cut's when the storm troopers are shot and Leia speaks so I don't think they did any major wrong. But the few seconds that are missing on the FX shots are important bits of the music that should not have been cut especially "Punch it".

Sorry about that... My mistake, because of cut music masks the sound, I checked the FB Video and not the SE mix so again sorry for that one.

I have only just noticed this, this morning there is a shot of Han shooting before quick cutting to the explosion. It's a very quick cut so It's actually hard to spot becaue things are moving so fast at this point.

At least the special edition mix is like this... So perhaps it's another special edition shoddy audio mix error???

I will check the GOUT mix.

I can confirm that it is missing from the Special edition but the laser blast is present in the GOUT mix.

Quality control tisk tisk

Ady please use the GOUT MIX HERE!!!!

Thanks for the recent update on FB...

Just a quick one I spotted today... When Han shoots the Probe Droid and it explodes his gun makes no sound at all.

Can you fix this one please Ady or have you already fixed it?

"I did'nt hit it that hard" Yeah you can say that again Han :)

I think about this subject quite a bit when it comes to what I expect from a special edition.

Most special editions restore original intent that was left on the cutting room floor

deleted scenes / sub-plots that were cut due to keeping the theatrical cut down

Basically either an alternative or an extended cut.

Although the special editions of the Star Wars Original Trilogy does this in some respects they often seem to change the original intent and continually keep changing and retro fitting things that do nothing to restore some of the much more important deleted or alternative scenes that could of been added.

Or shots for whatever reason that could not be finished before release are totally dis-regarded in favour of a new vision or a new scene that was never intended originally rather than what was the goal at the time when they were making the film. I don't mind new ideas far from it but I think that not enough care and attention was taken to restore rather than make new.

Not fixing problems that already existed and creating new ones.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder why it is the way it is the special editions.

Something I have been concentrating on recently is if you hire a composer like john williams and the whole London Sympjony Orchestra to make music for the film but then you wait until after they did the music and start chopping the film about, so the music can no longer be used. Cutting bit's of music in the middle because you don't have special effects shots finished or simply hard cutting the soundtrack out or using music from a totally different part of the film. A proper special edition would have sorted this out I think but it actually makes it worse.

It even goes as far to add special effects shots to the movie without sound but yet include the intended sound effects in the DVD menu.

I like some of it but the quality was really overall sub-par. Not enough thought went into It was more a platform for showing off better visual effects which although nice in some respects does nothing to really improve plot or timing or more story. There is plenty of footage that we have not seen that could have been restored or re-worked. And some is still be kept secret because it was not the film Lucus wanted to make which is fine but he did not direct Empire or Jedi so more focus on their original intent should have been made.

Pod racing????

Nah Landspeeder racing all the way.... But no little brat driving he needs to be at least 16 that's democracy :)

In all seriousness I thought I could edit all three PT films together to make a more decent film the problem was all three films are awful and editing together three awful films just gives you a big awful film so unless you re-film it entirely removing,

The Bad Acting / performances
The Bad Plot
The plastic dated looking cartoonish effects
And all the cardboard charcters

wait a minute there is nothing left worth keeping. What bugs me more is they have done the same to the LOTR trilogy exactly the same approach.

It's called trying to make a quick bit of money and living off the back of your previous success but not sustaining your success. An exit door is probably a better description. JJ's probably young enough to not do that just yet. PJ probably won't make another blockbuster sucess after the hobbit.

At the same time you can't blame these people who have devoted so much of their time to advancing technology and film so although it's good in one way the end result in these sort of circumstances i.e. not a young blood leave a lot to be desired in most cases. It's all just history repeating.

Before I do anymore on this I wanted to do a bit of house keeping so now all links are streaming links. That way it is easier to watch and listen, and I hope this makes it easier for people. I was busy doing the actual sound editing at the time so I felt this needed to be updated. Hope this means more people will stop in to have a listen and hopefully enjoy.

Thanks

And as this project is half love of the film and music and part detective work there is something I have been thinking about Han on the Taun Taun. I think the music that is claimed to be for R2 and C3-PO's chat before Luke Collapses could be music score for Han Solo riding the Taun Taun because it is similar to the music when Han get's to Luke and put's him inside the Taun Taun. This could be a myth dispelled about what people have claimed to be music for the R2 scene may have always been intended to be for Han on the Taun Taun. Not Sure about that yet but it's a very strong hunch that I have.

Edit

I think it may be 50/50 part of that music is for R2 and C3PO and part of it is for Han... I have cut the film as close to the 4th draft as possible with an acceptance of early 5th draft changes to script.... It plays out a bit different but It works well enough but has one missing shot of Han on the Taun Taun riding out of echo base. The only way to get to the bottom of the muddle is to cut the film as if it were the 4th draft and see what happens as the revisions are not available for the 5th draft so it's guess work.

I have also noticed another awkward cut to score when C3-PO and R2 go to talk to Han by the falcon so this will have an edit soon but I plan to do as close as I can 4th/ early 5th draft reconstruction if possible. But it's not easy and will take time. I may also be wrong about the probe droid at dawn I need to figure out how long is missing from the score as It cut's in at the end of Han trying to save Luke so we must assume that perhaps this scene was silent as there is a break in the score before the snowspeeders take flight kicks in proper.

Ok I promised something a bit radical here you go.

"Rogue Flight Prepare to Launch"

http://vimeo.com/101787038

"Rogue Flight Prepare to Launch" taken from the Empire Strikes Back Radio drama and inserted to the film. This Slightly pumps up the prelude to battle and thinking of 5:1 sound mixes I wondered if this would work well in the rear speakers like the announcement would be pushing the viewer out the door... Anyway I like it hope other people like the idea.

Han to the rescue

http://vimeo.com/101791068

This was just an edit to smooth out the cut to the music once again it features a one note re-score to tail it off and prevent the tangent of score that comes after it so it feels like a complete piece.

Hoth Search Final

http://vimeo.com/101798979

The thorn in my side is gone now... I have eliminated all the dead air from the sequence of Han searching for Luke in the snow. Hope you enjoy it both a video an audio edit this time but It was not as complicated as I thought and there is still some improvisation in there but I think it works well I could get used to it rather than all the silence. The scene needed emotion not intensity... It now has emotion from John Williams. But it is more a case of pulling one out the bag than restoring any known cues as I said before I not saying this is how John Williams intended it to be but I have got rid of the dead air and that is what I wanted to achieve so it's a "way of doing it" which nobody else has come up with and the restored music video is quite frankly awful so I'd settle for silence over that video on Starwarz.com but I'd settle for my video over silence if you catch my drift. It's also using music that was intended for this part of the film and not like music edits in the original film that pulls music from score that was never intended to go in this parts that they put it in. So It's not as radical as the original in that sense but it's the best I could do.

Snowspeeders take flight

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/p6mdx2wq3aicyfp/snow+speeders+take+flight+EDIT.wav

Ok another straming link for now but more discovery as I extracted the 5:1 audio removed as much as I could to isolate the voice of Zev and synched it all up properly but still to add it to video... Here's what I think I found out.

1. Missing shot of the sunrise before the sequence starts Whoops no Black screen perhaps

2. Missing shot of snowspeeder in the middle like pictured below

3. Probe droid comes after the speeder lands in echo base??? Or I think it does. Or it See's the speeders taking off?

4. Synched up the Bacta Tank cues properly???.. This is probably the transition back to echo base Landing Bay from the probe droid??? Not Sure..

I will ask again if someone can help out on the video side of things here again, I have not yet put the audio to the footage but I have also a sneaky feeling that some shots may have been sped up a bit. So is it getting a bit more exciting now? Anyone can help do a small edit? I have never seen a restored version that incorporates the cues the way I am saying it is. I am not just putting music over footage I am trying to rebuild it so as we can appreciate what It might have been like... Please help anyone?

So having slept on this piece of music that follows the rescue of Han and Luke by the Snowspeeders I am settling on that the Mcquarrie Image is the Hard Braking before Zev Landed.

Now The Empire strikes Back "Jaws" influenced section.

It's not a chase scene but it's a different take on the unseen monster... Instead of a shark it is the probe droid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLO4acMTCM

The similarities between the cut music and the jaws motif theme are very similar indeed. Getting Closer getting closer Snow Speeders fly off Back to echo base. The Radio Drama situates this music in the tent with Luke dragging him out but the music sounds nothing like a struggle it sounds like a hunt or a chase. Although it's a dupe because the probe droid does not want to eat them. But only to Hunt them... And tell on them.

Anyway I have now edited to video and although I cannot honestly account for the music that comes afterwards because I still have my doubts about what it is for... I can't be 100&

I will post it up soon. The main thing to celebrate about doing this restoration of the music has shown me the fade through black and the wind howling over the black screen and then we fade into daybreak weather it's "hyperspace" or "The Snowspeeders take flight" The one thing I am pleased that I have discovered is the black screen with sound. An absolute improvement in the pacing of the scene hands down. I think it works a treat. So no more Mumbo Jumbo  about what might have been but I think the next phase is to abandon restoring snow speeders take flight and concentrate on smoothing the cut bewteen hyperspace and this piece.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The Crying Game (1992)

As I am and pretty much always have been a fan of Jaye Davidson's performance as Ra in Stargate, I figured it was about time I watched this movie to see his one and only other performance as an actor in a feature length film.

Suffice it to say, I already knew the story's plot twist, so I wasn't surprised in the least when it reared its head. What did surprise me, however, was to see goddamn Ralph Brown himself make an appearance in this film.

As if that wasn't a bewildering surprise in-and-of itself, in one part of the movie he takes Davidson's character up to "her" apartment and it's strongly implied that they then had sex.

That's right -- Ric Olié fucked the sun god.

So to sum things up, I went in and got a surprise, just not the surprise that was intended by the filmmakers. To that I say: God bless you, you magnificent bastards.

7/10

 This is in my "to watch" pile will watch this this week probably.

crop circles - Bob Hillery & the massive mellow.

Earth Song - Bob Hillery & the massive mellow.

I feel love - Bob Hillery & the massive mellow.

Movin - Bob Hillery & the massive mellow.

I think they got some good choons :) summer festival type of vibe comes as a check them out if you want to relax.

So a little more detective work and I have known about this for some time this is the other awkward audio cut in Empire strikes Back.

What's more amusing is many people will slag the special edition off for ruining the music when actually the music has been ruined from the original thetrical release with about 5 seconds cut from it.

I am talking about Lukes Rescue from the underside of cloud city of course. I do agree the special edition totally ruined the music and the pacing the way it was cut and edited but the this piece has always never been complete.

Here is a rough streaming audio clip that shows where the missing 5 seconds occur.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/ujwk3a5b84kodn2/cloud+city+rescue+rough+timimng.wav

Now the thing about this particular cut is that the footage has never been released and it would be very difficult to restore this small section of music of about 5 seconds to the film. But judging by script entries vs the music it seems that the film had been streamlined down and because of this the music cut happened. But I think that we are talking about 2 missing shots in those 5 seconds. one of Lando clambouring to get luke in the flacon and a shot of chewie growling and the falcon rocking due to a nearby explosion / flak blast. They seem to have changed the tempo of the music throughout the sequence to accomodate the footage and smooth out the cut's to footage. It would be really interesting to see how this sequence played before the cuts I hope one day we get to see this missing 5 seconds. It starts with a slightly extended shot of Lando looking around which we see in the Empire Strikes Back trailer...

Wether this scene could be recreated with small stop motion figures of Lando and Luke on the top side of the falcon. A shot of Chewie could be perhaps re-used when the blast occurs and then cut to Leia for her concern. 5 seconds is not much footage. But even I have to wonder if this is also possible or not.

I also want to refer to the 8mm mono track that has Leia saying "Hurry we've got company" now this is placed after she says "Lando?" I am going to say that this line was delivered prior to this before the BOOM! that rocks the falcon then we would see Lando struggle with Luke cut back to Leia then saying "Lando?" But this audio line further backs up that the scene was only a small part Lando ontop of the falcon The majority of the sequence was in cockpit of those 5 seconds. Again I am guessing but The music backs it up by there being no flourish with the explosion mentioned in the script.

Just found the missing cockpit shot... First time I have ever seen it so my hunch was right. "Hurry, we've got company"...Bang!

This brings me to the end of the cut score for this demo project and I can't help but want to see the version we not only never heard but also never saw. I looked through the Original trilogy story boards book yesterday and neither Lando rescuing Luke on top of the falcon or the probe droid at dawn are in the the book. Strange that... Perhaps they were never story boarded but if they have the probe droid going into to hibernation during the blizzard why did they not story board the probe droid emerging and continuing it's search... It's in the script so this just seems like a weird thing to leave out. They have alternative scenes of Luke being rescued being scooped up by the falcon which I don't think ever got made into film they obviously were going with Lando pulling him inside on top of the falcon but it never has seen the light of day. Hibernating probe droid is not something I feel that needs to be seen in the film but a shot of the probe droid at dawn and perhaps becoming alerted to the Snowspeeders is though and that to me makes perfect sense in terms of a worthy edit to make not only because Mcquarrie did art for it but it helps as a reminder to the threat the probe droid poses and put 1 and 1 together to explain what happened (Snowspeeders rescuing Han and Luke Gave away the location of Echo Base).

Unless anyone can point anything else out about cut score then I think I will draw my part to a close on this and welcome anyone to pitch up any ideas or what ever they think.

Anyway I'll just leave this here.....

So now for some more radical edits....

I was checking this scene in the original film vs the special edition today, and I think this shot needs a closer inspection..

I thought it had been cropped but then I thought...no there is more (cloud city underside) background than in the original. Is the falcon cropped at the bottom edge? Then I looked again and I thought this has been rescaled, luke is smaller in the special edition and the falcon appears a bit different too and seems to last longer in the theatrical not sure about frame count. I hope someone can have a closer look at this as I am no expert but there's more to this than in the description you put I think. The scaling in the original seems to be correct and the special edition out of proportion.

Cheers Muddy, I thought about it a bit like that too.

There is one last thing that has popped into my brain recently, and it is to do with when the falcon escapes from the hanger. Again it's not a big deal as a lot is going on in the scene... But I had this thought about the hanger bay doors.

It appears that the doors are shut in the image of them running toward the Falcon (The Shadowing clearly suggests this in the hanger) but it is never shown that not only are they waiting for the Falcon to start it's engines due to mechanical difficulties but that they are also waiting for the doors to open...

I don't know if there is a way to show this but I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity not showing they are waiting on 2 things to happen to escape not just the engines conking out

Or perhaps the other way around showing the doors open but emphasis on the engine failure that they are ready to escape but still can not get out. Anyway I think it's a missed opportunity either way around.

There's also like a missing shot of where the falcon needs to lift off and do a 90 degree turn.

Ion Canon

somone on the facebook a long time ago mentioned about adding the control room window in the cliff side. I really think this is a great idea. I wanted to show my support for this idea but also to go one step further. What about the dangling cables attached to the gun? It would give the gun a more realistic feel if it had animated cables attached to the nozzle as it pumps a few shots off. Just a thought about bringing it into this era of effects we are now in I think it would be a good update and give it a bit more realism. Mcquarrie drew them but they were probably left off the model or the model was re-designed but I like the cables he put on it and I think they left them off as it was difficult to do this at the time perhaps.

Wampa Deleted scene

Just had my mind blown by the deleted scene of the Wampa from this trailer... I think I know what you will say on this Ady... That the footage is not good enough. But It's just killed me off that this did not make it in to the film complete with that snarling sound effect it gives out. 

I'll understand if this can't be put back in the film anywhere but to say I just got blown away by it, If it did that to me... It will do it for lot's of other also I am sure. It just begs the question why the special edition is the way it is even more. This is one for the keeping I think. In this trailer here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxLR_27ASpc

From the trailer 2 I spotted a really cool destroyed turret and though this could be used at a distance perhaps?

Ha Ha :)

Been researching the 4th draft script some more and I have spotted the scene re-arrangement of when C3-PO says goodbye to R2 as he is being loaded into the x-wing.

So what happened is that C3-PO is in the command center with Leia and Reikan and then he is in the hanger with R2 and then he is back in the command center again. It's not a major issue but perhaps a possible fix could be achieved to not have him flitting about on echo base within a few moments. Here is my idea and I would have no hope of doing it because my art skills are rubbish.

turning C3-PO into K3-PO in this scene....Is it worth it??? It's not a major issue but it is perhaps a possible fix for C3-PO being in too many places in a short space of time. C3-PO was originally meant to say goodbye to R2 just after the speeders took off. Leia makes an announcement to speeder piots that their x-wings were being taken to the south slope for their escape off the planet which is something I never knew before also.

Mp3 edit of flight of the Snowspeeders straming link

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/oldd2q440jl793c/snowspeeders+take+fligh+timing+rough.wav

Ok I have roughly worked out where the dialogue sits within the sequence of flight of the Snowspeeders. I think I am pretty much right. The problem I have now is how do I actually get this to go with the footage? I had to simply chop the audio for the dialogue including the score that is present in the origibal (hyperspace).

Probably beyond my skill but the issue here is there is  a missing shot in the middle or perhaps 2 but It really needs to be accompanied by footage so as It can be worked out where the missing shots need to go. It's a headache and It can be worked out but it is not easy, There is also the issue of can zevs lines be isolated from a mix say a 5:1 mix.

If you care enough to listen to this then you will realize that hyperspace was a poor substitute for what Williams actually did and how he really was at the peak of his masterful scoring. the score fits extremely well around the dialogue and complements everything that is happening.

So I have done the groundwork on where his lines sit. now I need help in this hole I am in. There is definitely a seperation gap in the middle and this springs to mind.

Questions and help please...

1.Is it possible to isolate Zev.s lines from say a mix say 5:1 mix for empire strikes back SE or any version out there?

2. has anyone the skill and a decent video editing suite that can easily time the footage to the audio.? even with a still image on the missing scenes

I will leave it there and I hope someone can help me out on this because it is really tricky.

The footage was only shifted in the timeline and was not altered so if the footage lines up with the audio there is only scenes or shots of snowspeeders cut nothing more that is important as it means it is possible to restore music and sequence this in terms of footage and exterior special effects shots but unless zevs lines get impersonated or can be isolated it is not.

The music directly preceeding flight of the snow speeders is for the probe droid emerging from hybernation. which relates to this image.

The script clearly states dawn, and this concept is in the dawn so that is concept art for that scene that got cut that comes directly before the flight of the snow speeders. Flight of the snowspeeders also could be argued was not dawn like enough.

So If a scene has concept art and full color one at high detail that means that this scene carried quite a bit of weight and importance. And the only thing I can put on this is that this scene overlapped with the speeders searching for Han and Luke and inferred that the speeders were the probe droids tip off to the location of Echo Base. I am guessing but I think that is a pretty informed guess based on the planned position and the music that is not part of the snow speeder search.