Ronster

Akratus said:

Someone please tell me that leia kissing Luke before swinging across the bridge, and kissing han after saying "You do have your moments" have added sound effects in revisited? Her merely bumping her head on them really bugs me. They just need a very light smooch sound.

That Dagobah Model has come on leaps and bounds, I would say that It now looks like I am looking at a physical representation of the original shot with all the color. Hat's off it looks like it will fit like a glove into the film.

Just a curiosity about this but is this the last shot that needs to be filmed with that model or are the rest of the shots still left to do?

It must have taken ages and I really appreciate how we have seen it transform over time into what it is now the finished product. I really could not see it be like it is now from the previous screens that were shown. I am no model maker at all so to me this stuff is quite alien but all the same impressive.

Yes I accept cough up Asteriskand i will also be sending over a donation myself :) but next week as I have some other commitments. That will be to say thanks for all the hard work you people put in.

Seriously that was not meant to end up like it did but i thought i would throw it out there ....no more definitely no more I am done the buck stops here.

Seriously not trying to be an arse. sorry no harm ever meant.

We are getting a new clip at Christmas so hold your fire. But I do really like the trailer it get's me pumped up.

There is one more tidbit of info I want to share and I am also starting to realize far reaching ramifications to the whole escape from echo base sequence if it was to be altered and I don't mind if it is not or it is but for more general interest purposes.

this is the last bit of informed guesswork about an older version that we never saw. On the shot where they run past the old Wampa door as it is in the film as we know it. The music could have been originally intended for the last rebel transport cockpit shot calling for Princess Leia and they could not wait much longer. And that is all I have left to say but I am not 100% sure about this but this is currently my instinct.

But I think it matters very little at this stage but again just interesting really.

I would like to see a bunch of fan made trailers could be a good promotional drive before it is finally finished.

Temura Morissone was great in once were warriors and was absolutely flawless as Jake the muss but he was no Boba Fett replacement voice and even a bit weak as Jango.

Not at all trying to troll or be annoying but this is why I said what I said earlier.

This is in the same reality. The other still I posted is in the reality where the wampa attacks the storm trooper the old sequence that half made it in the film.

This seems to be a still from the actual running with the gun from where they get shot from. Rather than running from the left.

By the way I agree with you about on that shot they are indeed coming from the left that way but the scenes are not in the version it is cobbled together from 2 different versions one was the original idea and then we get the pick up or alternative glued on to it.

I hope nobody gets angry about me saying this but I cannot see it as you say 100% because it is 50% old version and 50% pick up shots.

But it is what it is at the end of the day and just for the record yes I really do like the film I am not slagging it off

The gun could be flipped that comes out the falcon but you know I am ok with it just saying it just don't feel right. The older version seems to have had them being chased through the corridors. And I am also pretty sure I can hear a storm trooper blaster sound effect when 3PO get's pulled across by han through the door but I think they tried to make out like it was electrical damage in the background.

I will say I am no expert but I can also see in the still I posted originally that in this footage the storm troopers go to put the gun down just before it cuts away. That is the tell tale sign that it is from the old version where they planned to show that the doors were opening in the background behind these troopers .

Also let's not ignore the 3 snowtroopers that run directly from right to left before this lot come from the left. and those 3 troopers are the ones coming out the same door as Han and 3PO and Leia

Also note the prop I highighted in Blue does not seem to be there unless it is more to the right...Again we are seeing a different version of events I think

If I made a mistake no problem but this is what I am currently seeing and I don't have an argument just only what I am currently seeing.

No need for sarcasm. i looked at the script on this also. The hanger doors are meant to open when the snow troopers with heavy gun get shot. In fact they were meant to be in between the falcon and the way out of the hanger. the door was meant to be behind them opening as they get shot.

So also for some reason the angle and position of the intended shot changed for some reason.

This is also a shame that it was not like this. did the door break or something? Or are we seeing an alternate angle I wonder.

@Marty Mcfly

Remind me not to post after a 15 hour day without looking properly at stuff.

I agree with you somewhat Marty but this section is a bit of a mess. i think they run from inside but because the footage of the snowtroopers going through the same passages as Han & co got removed it ends up being a bit disjointed. Although you think i want to overcomplicate something actually in fact i want it to be much simpler to understand and much more intelligeable = more enjoyable.

I really don't think we need to see 3po ripping off a sticker or wampa pulling in a snowtrooper but it is a shame that snow troopers running through the same part the hereos go through would have joined the sequence up much more. It is actually quite poorly edited and could have been better.

And sorry for mistake that door is not locked Han pulls 3PO through I totally forgot there was a deleted scene that actually helps explain it.

I thoroughly enjoyed the interview and I can really associate with a lot of what you said especially about trying to think of a solution to a problem and then one night you are lying in bed and it just pops in your head. That has happened to me on a number of occasions. It does take a lot of thought even subconscious thought for ideas to show them selves. Anyway I think you did a grand job in the interview.

On another note I wanted to let you in as a team on a question that I am currently pondering it may be useful in terms of perception or perhaps not.

In this shot are the troopers running in from an open Hanger door in to the base? I have been pondering the film makers intentions and the direction and the fact they are not with the group of stormtroopers with Vader coming from the command center suggests that they could be running through a open Hanger bay door but they could of course be coming from anywhere within the network of tunnels within the base but the only entrance that we observe is the other side of the falcon when Han says he is leaving to Rieekan and has an argument with Leia in the command center or to the right with 3PO and R2 complaining about Leias wet clothes. So that is why I think they might be running in from open Hanger bay doors. But It's one of those how do we interpret the ambiguity of the footage type of scenes.

I won't expect an answer of what you think but I reckon it might be something you have thought about perhaps but if not, I'm not sure either but a bit intriguing all the same. It may be something that really does not matter but a struggle of how to interpret what is actually happening on screen at this time.

The entrance that Han & co go through to get to the Falcon  because Han pulls C3PO through just before it closes suggests he was locking it shut so they could not be followed this way even though 3PO was dithering.

That was really funny...

You know Frink, about what you said about the trailer being a teaser not having to have much about story, I have to say I agree with you it is a teaser and that it is not a compulsory thing to include in a teaser.

But I think what it is that I find so jarring about the trailer is the narration does not really match up with the visual it's all just so random. It feels like a bit of a weird mash up of scenes and dialogue that I am a bit confused about what it really is.

It's too early to draw any solid conclusions about it at this time apart from some of me is optimistic but then I also have a bad feeling about it.

The Merchant said:

It looks weird IMO.

 seconded

As far as first impressions go it seems the film is driven by cgi special effects rather than the characters which I think is a bit of a shame. I would have expected some inkling of story being teased but nope probably not that important or high on the agenda.

So I decided to finish what I started as I had it planned for a few weeks, so I kind of lied about not doing anymore but I felt like doing it this morning so I did this edit.

Betrayal at Bespin

http://vimeo.com/113088613

Password : bespin

So this is a scene re-arrangement edit primarily but I really do think it works on a number of levels. it is also a bit long winded but It needs to be so you can see how the re-arrangement effects how the sequence plays out.

1. Changed sound of Han's Blaster shooting at Vader

2. Inserted edited shot of Shuttle on Landing Platform and added music score. Now this needs a lot more work namely to be better done and animated perhaps have a storm trooper standing guard perhaps a cloud car flying overhead and last but not least an actual model of the shuttle rather than a matte drawing.

3. We cut straight to chewie in the cell

4. Boba Fett voice restored

5. Re-inserted Luke arriving at Bespin as per the 4th Draft script and re-did the transitions whilst also including a bit more music score to the scene as I think he should fly towards the planet for a bit longer with the music.

This scene re-arrangement I think put's the sequence in a  better order and keeps what is happening closer to time otherwise it feels like Luke is nearly there but actually takes a long time to still actually get there whilst also feeling disjointed and destroys any foreboding about the other characters needing to be rescued by him before any consequence of them being captured / tortured and so fourth. It is not really exciting but I think it makes sense  as far as real time is concerned.

Mithrandir said:
Joachim Phoenix was the perfect choice for Anakin; estoic, heroic, roman like. Mel Gibson resembles Alec Guinness way more than Ewan. 



The leading duo of Signs actually depict better what the relationship between Anakin and ObiWan should have been than the whole PT





Not trolling here.



Wish I was.

Bingowings said:

I'd keep some of the butchery and child murder in the PT but have masked Vader do it

 I think you are nearly there but I hate the child butchery element.

I think we need to just simply have Anakin feel betrayed and confused and have a vendetta against the Jedi Order as a re-incarnated Cyborg Darth Vader. The whole order 66 thing was a huge failure in my eyes too.

Vader should have been shown in suit hunting down the Jedi one by one like a hit man revenge flick, wiping out the people that misunderstood him as Anakin. But perhaps we would be unaware of who he really was. A mysterious figure and assassin.

We need to be able to understand that motivation to destroy the Jedi because he felt betrayed. I would go as far to say that the line between good and evil should become very blurred rather than so clean cut. I want to see that cyborg Vader go after revenge and get it replacing the clones shooting the Jedi to death. That was not the legend. Ben cannot be telling complete and utter lies can he?

But if we were to experience a revenge story of that magnitude which would have been better than what we got how would that then place the Anakin reveal at the end of ROTJ and could you feel happy that he got redemption knowing he had hunted down and slayed all the Jedi apart from the last one which was his very own son... That is what we were told, but it is not what happened in the PT. Actually he "helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi" to quote Ben but surely that would entail him actually doing that also and being part of "The Empire" which was kind of not fully realized in the PT also. I don't know but it really would have been good to see Vader actually at the helm of destroying the Jedi Rather than the clones.

Young Obi-wan vs Darth Vader in suit? Obiwan senses it is someone he knows? The key to making Vader's character Arc really work is that Anakin felt betrayed perhaps because they stole his children and he knew it whilst recovering from near death.

Hoth Battle Part 1

http://vimeo.com/112213650

Password: bigfoot

This is still a WIP but I have got this far still needs a bit of tweaking around I think but it is a teaser as I am going to do the whole battle also. New Soundmix putting in missing AT-AT footsteps and a few other things.I think I have helped the audio match what is actually happening on the screen a bit more but the actual mix may need volume changes so it's still placeholder at the present somewhat.

There is a couple of small video edits which I think are noteworthy. When Wedge flies through the AT-AT's legs I trimmed and re-timed to get rid of horrible trailing leg of the AT-AT and on the shot where the tow cable strikes the leg I added a pan and zoom to give the leg the feeling that it is moving and not just hanging static in mid air. A really simple solution to a bad looking shot.

More to come at a later time but I did this in what little spare time that I have so no more until Late December by the earliest.

I am really busy with work at the moment so I don't have time to make a detailed post about this.

But I have got home from being away today and I have watched most of the battle of Hoth specifically focused on listening out for the bass sounds of the AT-AT footsteps.

There are many shots throughout the sequence where the Bass sounds of the foot stomp and even the mechanical sound of the AT-AT are missing.

Aside from perhaps beefing the sound up a bit (Godzilla Style) I was a bit surprised to notice that a around 5 shots have no AT-AT stomp and/or movement sounds or at least I think it is around that number. Some are present and quiet whilst some are totally missing. Actually there is quite a few more I think)

I never really focused on it before but since such a big deal is made out of the rumbling thunder of the huge mechanical monsters of war from the out set of the battle I was a bit shocked that I have noticed this only today after posting here for so long.

I hope you will fix this one up on the Christmas clip which I am really looking forward to but I also understand the audio could perhaps be temp or it's something you would not want to do even.

i thought I would point it out anyway as I thought it was important enough to do so in case it could perhaps slip under the radar in such a busy sequence as this. This was observing the SE Mix I will check the theatrical in a bit and update if I get the time. No change from Theatrical mix as far as I can tell.

Ref: AT Foot

Looks good I cannot remember but have you added black smoke to this shot that is not in the original if so good job too. Something to look out for audio wise is why do we only hear the AT-AT foot steps when luke looks at the AT-AT :)

adywan said:

Ronster said:

Ep 7 Revisited :)

ok I know suggestions are closed but I have recently become aware of a minor difference between the original and revisited. It is also very small but I also wondered if it was dropped as it may take away from everything else that is going on.

But Basically the spire lights (obstruction Lights) on the cloud city needles or tall buildings don't seem to be present in the new mattes which are fantastic but I thought to myself I wondered why they were not there? So the Cloud city mattes have blinking lights in the SE and original I think but I would not mind just seeing constant lights on some spires or tips of spires as a warning to landing ships perhaps in heavy cloud so as not to crash.... Anyway I thought I would ask If they have been purposefully removed?

 Looking at the special edition and original shots, i can't see any spire lights , flashing or stationary ( apart from one spire in the original having a couple of lights at the base, but that matte is no longer being used in revisited anyway).

Yes only the McQuarrie Matte has it and only one of them so it is totally inconsistent and obscure. But It was the original intention so It's no big deal but it also makes a lot of sense given the environment and was obviously considered perhaps they never got around to adding this in the rest of the shots. all on same matte one with double light flash red and one with white flash hexagon and the spinning top has lights around it's fat middle.

Like I said it is no big deal but I thought I would bring it up as it could possibly add more realism to the special edition aspect whilst keeping the thoughtfulness of the original and the space port aspect of Cloud City. Weird though that they did only animate this one and none of the others.

I also thought you would enjoy putting the special edition buildings to shame in some way :)

I am also a bit surprised that you removed that shot of ships flying through the clouds so I am wondering what that will be like :) I am sure it looks a lot better given the rest of the skies we have seen so far.

Ep 7 Revisited :)

ok I know suggestions are closed but I have recently become aware of a minor difference between the original and revisited. It is also very small but I also wondered if it was dropped as it may take away from everything else that is going on.

But Basically the spire lights (obstruction Lights) on the cloud city needles or tall buildings don't seem to be present in the new mattes which are fantastic but I thought to myself I wondered why they were not there? So the Cloud city mattes have blinking lights in the SE and original I think but I would not mind just seeing constant lights on some spires or tips of spires as a warning to landing ships perhaps in heavy cloud so as not to crash.... Anyway I thought I would ask If they have been purposefully removed?

Now This also led me onto a very small suggestion please don't nobody kill me but I started thinking about aviation and lights in clouds, plane strobe lighting and what I have ended up with as a realism suggestion effect on this shot.

Seeing the engine lights glowing within the cloud as they enter it rather than disappear into it as if it is not water vapor. Very Small suggestion but I think it is also a very nice one for realism so there you go and yes I broke the rules but it was a very small one and I meant only a good deed by it no harm.

Great to hear that it's still being chipped away at.

So the final chapter arrives....

Escape From Cloud City Remix

http://vimeo.com/110375670

Password: remix

This is both Audio and Video Edit please ignore video quality it is all about timing and audio mainly the Video part is another job. ok a step by step changelist.

1. Theatrical mix kicks it off - the audio takes are better for C3PO and I needed to use the timing for the video also

2. We then cut to custom sound mix for Lando's announcement - The Sample makes a lot more sense on the exterior shot of cloud city. I then incorporated the gout mix for the second line along with Gout footage.

3. We then cut to the special addition mix for R2 frying himself, re-timings of footage his footage is bundled together so this is all now one action rather than divided as It has always been it now happens all in one go.

4 Back to Theatrical mix

5. Back to Special Edition mix on Chewie shooting Storm Trooper and then we stay with it until the end.

6. improved the clarity of C3PO saying "Fixed" as it sounds helmet muffled voice

7. Added Extra bits of dialogue a storm trooper Shouts and C3-PO has an additional line etc small additions

8. When Chewie Put's Down C3-PO it now makes a small sound

9. The Falcon taking off sound has been enhanced and It will take off for longer with the music

It's been a lot of work and I really hope it has been worth it, It's very close extremely close but no cigar smoking just yet. :) Thanks for watching and have a great Halloween / Fireworks whatever no more from me for a while please feel free to comment I have tried very hard to do my best this has taken me about 20 hours to do like I said almost there...

EDIT

I have redone the announcement part of this a re-uploaded and made a few minor adjustments I would say it is now there in terms of a way to do it. I think I have improved this part and now it's all in. I think I will smoke that cigar now :) Updated the changelist

A hint about my next edit in the picture below but it won't be for a while.

Oh well I thought I should share a small horror story that had a happy ending...

Carbonite Block Slam

http://vimeo.com/110114533

So I found that in the special edition mix of ESB the Block of Carbonite that Han is encased in when it falls to the ground the sound effect is late and is not timed correctly compared with the original theatrical mix. The theatrical mix is without fault. But because the sound effect is late it is actually a positive thing in terms of editing the sound effect to give the momment more impact and keep the same sound effect going a bit longer. Yes It is annoying and ridiculous that they got it wrong but also It is easy to fix and make it have slightly more impact.

So I was hoping to have a good weekend but instead I have been couped up indoors sniffling away full of flu.. So I got bored and did another edit.

After The Bounty Hunter

http://vimeo.com/110114584

Lando get's 3 extra lines of dialogue and acts as a guide. The last line I think is especially important as we never knew what their next objective was after failing to catch Bobba Fett so I thought this is a good thing and gives a nice narration. I also think this last extra line is a bit shoe horned in and I spent quite a while playing with a place for it to go. This is what I finally settled on in the video. I think it is ok It could be better perhaps I don't know. I again did my best with it.

If that first Video does not manage to spark any comments I really have no idea what will?

There is one more edit that I am going to attempt this week and I have been pulling together resources to make it possible it's going to be a bit of a behemoth of an audio edit and will take quite some time as It is a bit complicated so stay tuned for the last chapter over this small holiday season, as after this week I am flat out back to working stupid amount of hours again and there won't be any more edits for quite some time.

So for a bit of an experiment I edited the audio during the Carbon Freeze Chamber section. This Happened to comprise of a number of Audio edits so I felt it was worth Sharing even if only for interest purposes.

Carbon Freeze Chamber Alarm and Vader

http://vimeo.com/109903874

So here is a brief Changelist.

1. Extracted the sound of the alarm, and changed it so that the alarm starts when the pipe is struck by Vader because I thought it made more sense.

2. The Alarm continues to sound off at the same volume until they both move away from the area.

3. Edited Some of the sounds Vader makes when he get's hurt.

4. Added a better sound when Luke Lands after he does his somersault as the sound that is present does not sound correct compared to previous sounds of ground hit's or falling on the metal so this makes a nice difference I think

Nothing too radical and by no means am I sure about these changes apart from Lukes somersault but It was something I thought I would simply experiment with and put to the test as In the original mix the alarm is quieter in the SE mix it is louder but they both feature the same flaw that it fades off to make way for the characters voices. Alarms don't do that so I thought I would try and go for realism and see how it plays.

One last thing about this clip the sound that brings Vaders attention to Luke being up above him.Is that Luke slipping down by accident? My guess is that a pipe or something gave way where he was hiding. Possibly another sound effect to add here of metal straining before it gives way then the story will be told better.

EDIT:

I decided to add the creaking Metal and re-upload so this has also been added for extra flavor, does it all tie together?I don't think any other section of the duel needs any audio editing and I have done my best for this part hope you enjoy it :)

Anyway have fun and Happy Halloween.

That material is impressive stuff the light shining through yoda's ears for example quite mind bending stuff.

I have to admit that Hoth Hanger miniature set is the model I am most looking forward to and I wondered how those pilot access gantries were made from the photo's. Again very good modeling and printing.

I have seen these 3D printers in action but that was a powder type this seems a bit different can this one do moving parts?

Also while on the subject of models I came across a very talented model makers work called Jason Eaton, I think you may be aware of him but if not you should be. Please check out his work because He is a like minded individual (Sci-Fi / Star Wars) and does animatronic parts and motors on his models. I believe he has accurate and some with moving parts Probe droid, AT-ST, Death Star Turret for example. Just trying to be helpful by mentioning this and not be rude.

http://www.makmodeler.com/?cat=6

When Obi-wan drops off baby Luke to the Lars Homestead in ROTS this is when the fight with Maul and Qui-gon should happen.

Perhaps Qui-gon should be trying to rescue Obi-wan (would have to Add the cgi beard) But Qui-gon would be referring to Luke when he says train the boy and not Anakin. Kid Anakin is actually young Luke.

This is perhaps the best edit Idea I have Had in a long time.

I also started thinking about young kid anakin from TPM looks more like a young Mark Hamil than a kid Hayden Christenson.

Obi-wan should have doubt about training Luke not Anakin / Darth Vader Qui-gon must be the one to tell Obi-wan to train Luke for which he eventuallly does years Later to right the wrong of Darth Vader. Perhaps the Backgrounds of the duel on Naboo could be Made into A desert Tatooine setting instead making Obi-wans story a bit more complex. We never needed to know Kid Anakin at all but it would make sense to know a Kid Luke.

So I had an idea last week and I took this morning to put it into practice.

It is a rough edit and an idea that needs a lot more fleshing out visually and so fourth but I thought of way to extend the asteroid chase using dvd menu elements.

See the rough edit to see what I mean

http://vimeo.com/109365671

Password: asteroid

So this idea popped in my head and I did this, this morning quickly for fun. Now I imagine If I had the visual effects skills I would only use the model of the falcon and replace the asteroids and backgrounds in all new shots and Have the tie fighters close on the tail of the falcon obviously not exploding to suggest Han can not get rid of them so easily. The asteroid we see when Han says closer to one of the big ones would be the one that the falcon does the spiral twist to avoid. The Cockpit background would be where we would see a surface of a much larger asteroid that they then fly over in the next shot. Perhaps the tie that flys over and crashes in the cockpit shot should instead be a laser blast. All just ideas but I have to say I quite like the way that it plays. And the music feels like it builds up a bit better too.

Let us know what you think, but bear in mind you will have to use your imagination to see how it can work as a flight to the large asteroid.

This was also brought up and I also believe the "Big Asteroid" might work if it got bigger slower and this sequence or something similar was added but once again let us know what you think about this. That being either dodge that asteroid or make it really try to appear much larger and I am leaning towards trying to make that asteroid feel much larger by slowing it down so it get's larger slower. Then in the second cockpit shot (new from DVD menu) I would use the big matte painting asteroid to show that we have got a lot closer and how big it really is  using 2d animation but again getting larger at the same or similar speed. That is my current thoughts please tell me yours.

when you actually list it like that Auggie then it actually sounds like a lot still to do and we also know the shield generator explosion also another one hanging in the balance although possibly in production. I appreciate your reply also and glad you are saying it any other way than how it is. Although we are told it's near to the finish line it is not really in reality. Still much to do and I am a realist I am hoping for a release now by christmas next year that being 2015. I think that is somewhat realistic but who knows.

Although not a suggestion and talking about this shield generator explosion I came across a video a few months back and I meant to post it for interest purposes but a shock wave explosion apparently creates a visible distortion wave. This is something that should perhaps be taken into consideration even if it is only a subtle effect.

check this just for curiosity sake these guys do some very cool slow motion videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFsAbkkAV-Q