Ronster

A Subject that is interesting (at least to me) is that weird occasional instance of deleted footage from a film ends up in another film or TV Show.

The Reason for this post is to create a definitive list of this strange but perhaps quite frequent thing that happens and with some very major titles involved.
 

The List So Far…

Empire Strikes Back Special Edition - Contains deleted footage from Return of the Jedi

Ewoks:The Battle For Endor (1985) Unused footage from ROTJ appears in the final battle scenes.

Footage of Tie-fighter pilots from STAR WARS (1977) are used in RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983)

Some of the shots of troopers and Tie Pilots in the corridors of the second Death Star in ROTJ when the executor scrashes in the the surface are deleted scenes from Star Wars (1977)

in the star wars holiday special in the " life on tatooine " segment features deleted scenes from Star Wars namely the Storm trooper Search of mos eisley spaceport.

Within a deleted scene for ROTJ for Luke building his Lightsaber it uses Deleted Footage from Empire Strikes Back of Vader in his Meditation Chamber Slowed down to about half speed to so as Darth Vader’s Lines could fit the sequence.

The Music video Lapti-Nek from Return of the Jedi contained many deleted scenes inside Jabbas Palace.

also of note Revenge Of The Sith Teaser -Alternate take/angle of Alec Guinness talking about Vader from the original Star Wars is used.

Rogue One A Star Wars Story - Uses deleted footage of pilots from the Original Star Wars Film 1977

Back to the Future Part 2 opeing credits in the clouds was originally shot for use in Firefox (1982) Starring Clint Eastwood.

Deleted Aerial Footage shot for Firefox (1982) was used in a Laserdisc Firefox Arcade game made by Atari also.

Game of Death 2 (Bruce Lee) - Contains Deleted footage from Enter the Dragon 1973

Hellraiser 2 Hellbound (Censored and more in uncensored) - Contains Deleted Footage from the Original Hellraiser Movie

Bladerunner (Theatrical Cut) - Contains deleted flyover landscape footage from the Shining (Stanley Kubrick) credit sequence

Stargate - Various deleted footage from the feature film by Roland Emerich was used in the pilot episode of Stargate SG-1 all these shots were removed in children of the God’s Final Cut.

Trail of The Pink Panther (1982) Made well after Peter Sellers death, there’s a bunch of unused footage of him from the previous PP films.

Magical Mystery Tour (1967 The Beatles) It’s alleged unused aerial footage from Dr. Strangelove was used in the Flying sequence. (Much to the ire of Stanley Kubrick.) The black and white footage was colored, (not to be confused with colorization) making it resemble part of the stargate sequence in 2001 A Space Odyssey, which came out the very next year.

Deleted sfx shots from Space 1999 were sold and appeared in other TV Shows - http://catacombs.space1999.net/main/images/sfx/sfx.html

T2: Trainspotting 2017 - uses deleted scenes from the original Trainspotting movie (Danny Boyle) to help as a means to flashback.

The opening B/W montage from MAD MAX 2 (1981) contains a deleted shot of Max from MAD MAX (1979).

The DOCTOR WHO 20th anniversary special - THE FIVE DOCTORS (1983) - used footage from the abandoned 1979 fourth Doctor serial - SHADA.

The slurpasaur fight in One Million B.C., along with outtakes, was ported to many a Sci-Film from the '50s. Among these are Robot Monster, Valley of the Dragons, King Dinosaur, Untamed Women, etc.

The Godfather Epic/Saga/Trilogy 1901-1980 was expanded in a TV mini-series that was specially re-cut by Francis Ford Coppola.

PHANTASM IV : OBLIVION (1998) uses deleted footage from the original PHANTASM (1979), for flashback sequences.

Outtakes from Submersion of Japan, including oil refineries blowing up and buildings collapsing, turn up in Prophecies of Nostradamus.

Le Mans (1971 Steve McQueen) many outtake footage and deleted scenes was featured in a documentary film Steve McQueen the man and Le Mans

Highlander 3 “The Final Dimension” (Not the original Sorcerer Theatrical release) Contains a few short deleted shots from the Original Highlander films final quickening in it’s own respective final quickening.

In the Music Video “Princes of the Universe” By Queen also features some short deleted scenes from the Original Highlander Film

the official music video for Johnny B. Goode and it contains some very interesting deleted shots of Michael J. Fox, most notably an exchange at the end where he appears to coin the term
“rock 'n roll.” A few people have uploaded this video (from the same source), but this one seems to be the earliest upload:
https://youtu.be/nTn3DG3maXE

MAD MAX: BEYOND THUNDERDOME music video contains a brief clip of a scene deleted from the film At the 1:40 mark: https-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwRPXmcggdY

Naked Gun 33 1/3 has the deleted wedding scene from Naked Gun 2½.

The 1980 film Raise The Titanic originally featured an opening sequence depicting the sinking of the Titanic, the sequence would’ve been 12 minutes long. The scene was dropped from the final film and replaced by a photo montage with John Barry’s score over it. The deleted footage resurfaced years later and was used in an episode of the TV show Voyagers (1982-1983), considering the show used the Queen Mary to portray the Titanic its hard to believe they would have the budget to construct a miniature as complex as those seen in Raise The Titanic. Currously, the same episode uses what looks like rear screen projection background plate footage of the bow view of the iceberg from the 1953 Titanic film (I say background plate because the foreground set and actor are not seen in frame). There is also a bit of deleted footage from the 53 film as the underwater shot of the ship’s hull hitting the iceberg is taken from the 53 film but has been extended by several seconds, indicating the shot in the original 53 film was intended to be longer.

In the 1979 made for TV move SOS Titanic, the movie uses unused miniature effects shots from A Night To Remember (1958) but colourises all of the footage in order to fit footage shot for the movie. It is clear the footage is alternate takes and not footage ripped from the 58 film because the placement of lifeboat miniatures and amount of steam radiating from the Titanic’s funnels is different between each movie.

The Final Shot of Conan The Destroyer was originally intended to be the opening shot for the voiceover narration which is on a black screen for Conan the Barbarian by John Milius. This is due to the decision to axe Arnold Schwarzeneggers strong Austrian accent in Favour of the Oriental sounding voice of Mako.

The Fly II (1989) uses a deleted scene from the first movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097368/trivia?item=tr0699671

In Furious Seven (2015) they used deleted footage from previous films to work around the death of Paul Walker: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2820852/trivia?item=tr2448669

The deleted concorde scene from Superman the Movie ended up in a TV edit version of Superman 2

Spider-Man 3: A scene towards the end of the film has Harry Osborn remembering mourning over his father Norman, using a deleted scene from the 2002 Spider-Man where the younger Harry cries over his father after finding the latter’s body still in uniform as the Green Goblin.

HALLOWEEN II (1981), begins with a reprise from the end of the original film. Laurie tells the two kids (she’s babysitting) to go next door to the McKenzie’s house and call the police. This is a different take from the one used in HALLOWEEN (1978).

Here is a list of films and TV Shows (that I know of) which used some of the footage shot in the summer of '68 for Battle of Britain - but there are probably more!

• 1971- Dad s Army - Film spin off of the popular television series
• 1972 - The Pathfinders - ITV television drama series based on the exploits of Bombers Command’s Pathfinder Force
• 1972 - Our Miss Fred - Film comedy starring Danny la Rue
• 1976 - Carry on England - Film from the long running Carry On series
• 1976 - Battle of Midway - War film dramatising the Japanese attack on Midway Island in 1942
• 1979 - Breakthrough (aka Sergeant Steiner) — War film starring Richard Burton
• 1984 - The Secret War of Jackie s Girls — ITV television drama series
• 1986 - Murrow - Channel 4 television drama based on the life of Ed Murrow, wartime news correspondent
• 1988 - A Piece of Cake - Television drama series based around an RAF fighter squadron in 1940
• 1999 - Finest Hour - BBC Television documentary series chronicling the events of 1940
• 2001 - Dark Blue World - Czech film about Czech pilots in the Battle of Britain
• 2010 - First Light - TV Movie based on biography of WWII Pilot, Geoffrey Willum

Lord of the Rings - Peter Jackson

Although in terms of the Lord of the rings books the climax of “The Two Towers” was always the battle at Helms Deep and also Frodo being stung and paralysed by Shelob with also Aragorn taking the paths of the dead…Regardless of this these story elements were always planned to move over to the film “The Return of the King” from “The Two Towers” book including a pairing down of Saruman being stabbed by Wormtoungue on top of Orthanc rather than “scourging of the Shire” as in the book… But in terms of scenes filmed always intended to be in “The Two Towers” Movie that made their way into “The Return of the King” Movie there are a few notable sequences moved to the sequel…

1. Smeagol (Opening to the Return of the King) fighting and killing Deagol over the lost but newly found one ring of power. Shot for “The Two Towers” but became redundant originally intended to be inserted where Frodo says “Your name was Smeagol was’nt it”

2. Scenes of Arwen Leaving Middle Earth and premonitions of a child she would bare with Aragorn were also shot and intended to go in to “The Two Towers” but made their way in to the sequel.

EA Games “the Two towers” Features unique footage not found in the film upon completion of the game.

I know there has to be more so Help me add to this list!

What type of food do Star Wars humans eat?

Lukewarm Stuffed Taun Taun.

Fang Zei said:

This should probably be retitled as the spoilers thread if we’re going to post stuff like spy photos here.

Just sayin’

Well considering the landspeeder they designed for Rogue One Galen prologue that he was meant to be repairing (he was meant to appear out from underneath it as his introduction) never appeared in the film at all I would not worry about it at this point.

Happy Birthday, just go for it with the Wampa.

If you watch the original film a decision to pretend the x-wing was moving by passing a camera past it (shot in the parking lot) then just remember there really is no harm in having a go. It’s pretty amazing what is being done here.

The Probe droid extended footage this should answer your questions somewhat.

https://vimeo.com/156984006

The text refers to a scene with the gun tower alerting the base (missing). Use the comic book for reference. The edit was based on understanding what footage the music was written to go with. Note the footage is in a different order that should I add now makes sense.

The shots of Rogue 10 and 11 are also missing. I used a shot from the battle.

SilverWook said:

                                                                                  5-25-17

Dear Disney and Lucasfilm,

Today being the 40th anniversary of Star Wars, we just wanted to ask:

How and when will you release the original Star Wars trilogy in their original theatrical versions?

We would buy the heck out of those if only we could.

Yes or no?

Please don’t leave us hanging.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
The staff and members of Originaltrilogy.com

I did a quick edit based on “how” and “when” because we know “what” and we don’t want to know about “if” and “who” is them.

“Where” is obviously they have it.

But I like all the short versions

Ok Cool, Sounds good I will try and seek out the Frank Frazetta illustrated version… Sounds like a cool version to own!

screams in the void said:

also to Ronster , you said you read the first book …which book are you referring to ?

^ This one

I would accept a hybrid or revamped SE with some changes rolled back even.

But you might be right 2011 is probably classed as final cut. But the 97 version looked decent so I would hope it looked like the 97 version rather than 2004 or 2011.

But anyway this is not something any of us can have any say in.

Original film long overdue a release.

I think disc 2 should be 1997 / 2004 / 2011.

Who is honestly going to miss the way 2004 and 2011 looks?

Fang zei I think you are right about incentive to buy again on UHD 4K HDR whatever it will be…

I think your short version SilverWook is outstanding love the Brazil reference.

JawsTDS is right about removing emotional involvement but I can imagine even in the coldest executive boardroom concerning any movie it is hard to remove emotion from how you feel about a film.

The bottom line is it is something important that needs to be done, it is now a matter of how and when not so much if.

BTW Fang my spell check calls you Fang Zeitgeist

There could be genuine fear of a screw up that is all I am saying and it’s better to leave alone that is the vibe I get when in reality it would be better to try than to do nothing.

and you also need Mr.Lucus consent also.

In fact nothing will happen without his consent.

Although the term restoration is chucked about is it also a reconstruction?

I have a feeling a restoration was going ahead and it was pulled for some reason… What might the reason be?

Without trying to offer up any sympathy for Lucusfilm or Fox and obviously The aim and the ongoing petition is to get the original films released.

Is there perhaps a sense that even if they had to use multiple sources to actually restore the film and combine them it still would be almost like a slightly different version than a Original Master Negative.

I think what I am trying to say is, should there be a thought of consideration for what is being asked and perhaps an admission that if it is a very difficult task that at least an attempt at a restoration is better than nothing. even if it is not 100% accurate.

I know that might sound a bit weird but is anyone totally sure that they have all the original negatives and materials and so on?

ok cool I just could not bring myself to watch the remake or reboot I felt the original would just never be beaten.

I bought the region 1 dvd’s of the theatrical and special edition in the UK it is cut for the horse falls. But I am also really interested in the battle of the mounds deleted footage and the snake pit deleted scenes and king Osric’s death.

I would love to be able to do something with it one day. on those 3 points really.

Never read the all the books actually I did read the first book only.

No I wont. Promise… 😃

I think it is far better the usage of “We Remember” because you involve the reader on the same level that they also have not forgot and imply that they should feel the same way . There is no need to waffle on. It is very clear.

I think really it boils down to neither we grew up with (which I think is more precise) than that started it all.

I honestly think the best language is “something unforgettable that we remember.”

I think this is far more clear and precise and to the point. But I don’t mean to be rude or critical I just think something along those lines would explain it better and it is very simple.

That should be a simple strong sentence no more.

“Today is the 40th Anniversary of Star Wars something unforgettable we remember” (next Paragrapgh)

Scrub 2nd paragraph (delete) go straight on with 3rd paragraph talking about memories.

Then leave the rest as is.

That’s my take

I really like the original Conan the barbarian it is one of my favorite films. So what is your plan for this edit?

I thought about doing this but only mixing Highlander and Highlander 3 and endgame flashback with Heather and Connor’s mum being burnt at the stake for being a witch.

Sort of like an extended edition of the original film. But ultimately I decided I did not think it would work or would be very difficult to make it work.

Brilliant!

It will be a lot of fun and all sorts of cool I’m sure.

There might be no going back to the SE after this… Actually that is what I hope for.

https://youtu.be/lN1RToUAOQg
I had a spark of inspiration the other day last week in the trailer above at 1.39 it is a shot going through a cave tunnel. My thoughts were it could pass for speeding through the space slug in cockpit POV. It is not a suggestion but it was the key or solution I felt to put the space slug sequence in the correct order as per the script then this would be placed on “the cave is collapsing” as Leia footage is missing.

Just a thought but it was like once I saw that short shot I felt I solved the problem with that bit.

Here is the scene in the script order (music works better too I think) . you will understand what i mean with the shot in the trailer when you watch the different order.

https://vimeo.com/138282638

Original scene order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtlcSR9A6M

NeverarGreat said:

Handman said:

Wouldn’t these frames also look somewhat different when projected, accounting for the warmth of the bulb etc.? Can you really just look at the frames themselves?

There are conflicting reports on the temperatures of these lamps:

correlated color temperature of a white flame carbon arc lamp is 5800K

Xenon arc lamps are approximately 5400K

Which doesn’t make sense since Xenons are supposed to be bluer than the carbon arc lamps.

Here, David Mullen says this about it:
“They (Carbon Arc and Xenon projectors) should be similar (daylight-balanced, like around 5500K) but Xenons are slightly bluer I think. But since carbon arc projection is extremely rare these days, most people color-time for Xenon lamp projection. It’s a bit of an issue when projecting old Technicolor dye transfer prints with modern Xenon lamps since the print looks slightly cooler than it used to, since it was timed for carbon arc projection.”

Also mentioned somewhere is the fact that carbon arc light was notoriously inconsistent since the ends of the carbon would burn at a variable rate.

Here’s a source that gives strangely low numbers, but at least it shows that the carbon arc lamp is yellower: http://inspectapedia.com/electric/Bulb_Color_Temperatures.php
Projector bulbs, carbon arc (traditional movie) 3,900K
Xenon arclamps 4,100K
This image shows just how similar the lights are, if the 200K difference can be believed:

The difference is even less than the difference between two of those panels.

So to answer your question, it appears that you would need to adjust the color of technicolor film about 200K yellower to counteract the grading for carbon arc lamps.

The Brightness of the bulb has very little to do with how the film should look more to do with how far you need to project an image through the air. The Bigger the cinema and a larger sized screen the brighter the bulb you would need. If you were in a small pokey cinema you might have a a less bright bulb but end up with a better brighter image than a very large cinema.

Think about distance and size of projected image vs the brightness of the bulb. but projected images will never look the same as anything on a TV screen ever, because projected images pass through air via light and TV screens display straight on to the display surface without any or very little atmospheric interference.

The temperature would be relative to how far the throw is of the projected image vs the temperature of the lamp before it hits the screen material (drop off) which is either reflective (slight gain) or permeable (greater loss).

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3424921/holy-shit-never-seen-ghostbusters-deleted-scenes-unearthed/

^ check this could be good.

TheHutt said:

The Italian cut did have an English sound mix but it was lost?

No. That’s basically a wrong assumption of how these films were made.

They were filmed without sound recording on set, as the films were later entirely dubbed in each of the languages they were released in. For the longer Italian version, the Italian dub was recorded in Italy. For the (shorter) US version, the English dub was recorded in the USA. During filming, every actor spoke his native language.

There never was an English mix for the scenes from the Italian cut in the first place. The actors had their notes on what they spoke when they played their scenes (and as Clint Eastwood pointed out in an interview, he always kept his notes as he feared the Italians might lose them - and they surely did).

Ah okay I understand a bit better now. I have not watched the new version on Blu-ray but some scenes the actors speak Italian in others the actors speak English. Now I really understand the need for the US / International cut. As some scenes use alternate takes in Italian cut vs US cut or at least that is what I read. So you might for instance have English language dubbed over an Italian version piece of footage and it does not match the lips.

Interesting points on lip synch after watching a few clips too. I imagine to do with the English dub put to the Italian cut. great film I will go and fish out my old DVD tonight.

Edit
Re-buying the old DVD just now that I sold.

I was hoping that some lost sound mix elements were found from this restoration.

The Italian cut did have an English sound mix but it was lost?

Anyway good work on getting this out officially. The thought that springs to mind for me is making a better dub with better new technology. That voice reproduction or mimicking software.

Sounds like decisions have been made already though.

the “new dubbing” as they did not have the audio for the extended scenes in the extended cut. So they made a “dub” and altered the soundmix in a makeshift way. They even got an impersonator for Lee Van Cleef.

Gunshots sound effects were also altered I believe.

So unless they found the original sound mix for the extended scenes?

Interesting…

This should be added to the extended cut really though?

https://vimeo.com/169015668

I think it’s obviously a mistake or silly chop that this footage has been left out. Seems to be a bit strict in slightly extending the extended cut. As it was never a directors cut anyway.

But also this…

4K transfer of the Extended Cut
Newly Restored 2.0 Mono Audio

No more dubbing?