Well If the graphics guys have bugged out.... My art cannot save the day unfortunatly :(
darth_ender said:
Finally, an even lower quality version of the Battle of Endor.
http://www.4shared.com/video/q9iTMV5P/New_Battle_of_Endor_edit_lo_qu.html
I hope you guys like it. I tried to include segments that could easily be dubbed to suit our story-telling purposes. Like I said, no attack on the communications vessel yet. Please let me know your thoughts, one and all. There are enough differences to warrant another watch if you have already seen my previous version.
Well Done Darth_Ender, I think there are some good ideas in here, but they are mostly carried over from the previous edit....
Here is my feedback and I hope you take it constructivly.
1. Madine does not need to give the order to go to lightspeed or say the force be with us before the battle it would have been better used on the second Mon Calamari cruiser being destroyed as the first was a surprise but I really lol at Aw Shucks!
2.Jejerrod really breaks up the pace when they are going for the reactor on attack run and I think his inclusion kills exitement and he's boring anyway. The placement seems to be kind of correct though which is why he got cut no doubt
3.The time between them starting there assault on the DSII and actually making the attack run is too long apart in time.
4. Your best idea is that the hot-wire opens the door which is fantastic IMO
5. Too Much silly Ewoks / Traps
6.It's hard to Visualise the space battle stills.....I will give it another look... But I liked the inclusion of the gunners on the falcon and thought the placement was well thought out although I would have tried to include some ANH footage also of taking down some ties too.
7.You know my opinion on constantly breaking away to another scene before you have reached any kind of conclusion of any particular plot and the original muddled feel of ROTJ.... I unfortunatly feel you have emphasised this more and caused more confusion with the already jumbled nature of the origoinal. But I understand you like the climaxes to all be happening simultaneously but this was not working well
8. Alot of Audio Dubbing... Probably too much to get away with apart from Fish Face B-wing Pilots there ok
darth_ender said:
I had the same thought, as it does match the Lost Rebels lines. However, I don't like the idea of power reactors vulnerable through hangar bays; hangars are already exposed, so it's an obvious vulnerability, and who would be stupid enough to place the reactors right where a ships have easy access? Besides, Anakin blew up the Droid Ship that way, so I'd hope to show it go in some other manner. Frankly, I'd be okay if they took out the bridge tower. I think it'd be cool to see a bunch of antennae and/or dishes blowing up.
you know the dome on the underside of the belly of a star destroyer well how about 4 of them positioned like this
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But in closer proximity with a 5th dome or dish that sits ontop of these 4 as a base but passes through the center on the 4 base domes and a little bigger.
actually a ball would probably work better.
How about that for design?
yeah the hanger idea is no good.....
darth_ender said:
So I've been doing a little research on star destroyers as I hope we do successfully implement another design or two into our battle. Here's some interesting info on the communications ship, which seems to be featured in the battle from a distance at least:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#commship
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_communications_ship
The communications ship was the vessel jamming the Rebels. How else would they know the shield was down without having disabled the jamming in some way? It makes sense to me. I didn't include any sort of attack on the communications vessel in this rough edit because I wasn't sure I liked how I did my little script and was trying to hurry and get everything done. However, I do think this would be a valuable inclusion to the battle.
Also, thinking about Coruscant with all this discussion, I'm starting to wonder if there is some way to include it. Problem is it doesn't seem logical for the Death Star to be anywhere nearby, and I don't think it would be realistic or suspenseful enough to set Coruscant as the center stage. I'm wondering if there is some other way to give it more screen time or inclusion...
This is basically what was planned from the lost rebel footage the attack on the communications ship.... The lines in that footage match the wookiepedia description to the T.
So they planned to do this but left it out as it meant more SFX shots, and more budget.... Hmmm it's just a question of what one looks like close up and how to execute that sequence it's somthing really for the Graphics Team to figure out.....
That means destroying another Mon Calamari Cruiser.. But thats your capital shio battle for the taking.... Lando can say "yeeha" then lol they got the puppet to do the lines instead of Lando lol
darth_ender said:
Unfortunately no. I've really spent more time trying to get this silly thing uploaded than I expected. It's currently in six 100 mg pieces but here at the library it is so slow to upload. I'm about to head home and will upload it on my own Internet which will hopefully be faster. It will then have to be combined into one video. I didn't think this would be so much trouble, and I've had computer troubles on top. I really will get this up today if I have to kill myself. In retrospect, that sounds a bit extreme, but I really will get this up today.
why don't you just winrar it?
Split into pieces in Winrar.... Then you unpack from the first rar file....
When you do the rough cut why you not select 512kbs video for broadband when exporting it will be more manageable it's only a rough after all.
darth_ender said:
Darth_ender's collection of ideas/contributions:
Lousy attempt at character impersonations for potential new lines
Is this your new cut?
Edit: Ok I see it's the old one.... How do I link to individual post?
fishmanlee said:
Ben and Luke on Log: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlGlb_D9DM
when I am done I will put them all in one post.
How do you Isolate the speech track then? so you can put the SFX and speech in the mix?
I can dig Ralph Mcquarrie art the guy is a genius but again that said, his ideas were raped for the PT's really and the budget would seem did not stretch to his final vision, like you said is a shame...
The only way to do these Ideas would build minitures of all the buildings CGI would look lame IMO
you could have it rolling down a hill on Endor with Han Solo running away from it?
It's not a bad idea the only thing that bothers me about it is that if it could do that it would ruin the space battle if it happened.... And show that what it could do so you would know that this was a space battle ruiner...
If it could teleport to differnt places that might solve TheOdos problems
yeah sounds good... I have finished developing ideas now, I have it all completley roughly done with what I would like to do with an option to take it or leave it if it just will not work... So here are my Inputs
Bobba Fetts Demise
http://www.mediafire.com/?04r9tiqg35p6c6q
1. Moved Bobba's gun being chopped off to the end.
2. Moved the rope to the first attack Bobba makes
3. Fixed Lukes stupid Kick and removed Bobba flying in the air behind him
4. Moved Shot of the Barge geing hit again but removed Bobba
5. Removed Backgrounds when lukes hand gets hit so it appears that he is still on the nose of the skiff... Bobba shoots his Hand
6. New Shot for Bobba Taking to the sky for the second time
7. Removed Han hitting Bobbas Jet Pack
8. Bobba's head comes clean off and rests in the sand
9. Removed Bobbas head as he falls from the skiff into the sarlac pit
Final Act Incorporating Darth Enders Battle of Endor Suuestions - Basically plot suggestins and structural rough cut + Flash backs - Vader on Endor
http://www.mediafire.com/?286b58g9cda2gvb
Lukes Transition to Tattooine - Beggars Canyon
http://www.mediafire.com/?aqavinvcvq6fttv
Please try to remember that it is incomplete and the x-wing on tattooine is missing FX shots and audio samples too... aswell as Yoda needs Dubbing but it is for the purpose of structure I am doing this and trying to convey my ideas is the only way to mock it up... I hope you enjoy this storyboard video
The Exchange - Delivering the plans to the rebels
http://www.mediafire.com/?yh38u0d8a5dx831
The first shot is intended to be immediatley after the opening crawl
Basically Bobba Fett sends a transmission of the plans to home one after they pay him which would be displayed on the screen inside slave 1 after this all hell breaks loose
Audio lines are:
Rebels on radio bobas cockpit"Do you have it?"
Boba "After I get Paid"
after star destroyers jump in madine looks about " Star destroyers have enetered our sector!"
could use some pilots!!!
Madinde "prepare to make the jump to hyperspace on my mark" after he lost lots of souls bless him
Vaders lines from Interactive Boardgame undecided
To join the dots the audio in the briefing from mon mothma is changed to "The infomation brought to us(cut by the Bothan spies) pinpoints(add sss) the exact location of the deathstar" and "Many (cut Bothan spies) died bringing us this infomation"
Re-Cut Lapti-Nek
Link below... Hope you like it, I tried to get rid of the close up dodgy puppet singer and make it work including some SE footage also. Short and sweet and I think it works ok.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndfubkhrsa1m6ix
Ideas not Yet Visualised
The Parting of Ways on Tattooine
The Lars Homestead Ruin and the Sandstorm
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Collaborative-Fanediting-An-ROTJ-Proposition-Second-round-of-voting-has-ended-Tally-completed-Link-in-first-post/post/559150/#TopicPost559150
Ha ha you flipped it! :)
Vast Improvement Overall, especially for wickett jumping about and the horn blow and the Pyre is much more dramatic. This is nice :)...Where is the shot of the forest after the horn blow? or was this for SE?
The Han and Leia theme goes on a bit longer in the SE I think I could be wrong.....
Good work, I want the jelousy gone mind, it has no place in my mind but what you have done is really good.
I actually really like TheOdo's Idea aswell, I just think it is a massive workload, and there is an awful lot of changes to consider more than you might even think... That is why I have my opinion that I do and it's no disrespect to his modified Idea of corusant... I already thought about corusant before and there is just too many Audio dubs and new scenes with main characters so what ever I am not going to involve myself in the corusant idea any further basically I am not interested and do not care for the PT at all they were all pretty crap IMO and to go to so much work in order to make ROTJ fit more with the PT is not an option for me.
I voted against having Bobba Fett flying out the sarlac pitt... It was never in my final suggestion, I waa still pondering what to do at that point the video of the rough cut I did is my suggestion which is:
1. Bobba shoots lukes Hand
2. Fly to the opposite sail barge (remove Han or even over to the right)
3. Bobba Get's decapitated
4. Fall in the sarlac
And the Video is there to back up my Idea....
I ditched the Idea of flying out because it was not easy to do and I found a better way simple as that. So perhaps you need to amend the vote on this as It was just ponderings I had not looked into it properly at that point.
I know you are not putting my ideas down, I'm not putting anyone elses down either... I simply trying to get your structure that you are proposing to work in a fluid way.... If I felt the structure did not need it I would not bother trying to fill the gaps or holes.
1. Currently you have an un-star wars like opening in your script and trying to introduce plot also
2. Padding out Vader going to DSII to allow more transition time for Luke whilst trying to introduce plot
3. Lukes transition whilst trying to introduce a bit more plot
4. Fix Bobba
I am trying to make everything focus towrds Luke Vs Vader and the Alliance vs the impending Doom of the Death star... I could use some help developing my ideas, if anyone would care to... I really hope somone can give me some inspiration like you said Darth_Ender flipping a star destroyer is perhaps a bit Obvious but every OT film opens with a star destroyer anyway and whats the big deal if it's another tantive it's alot more extremist blowing up your frigate like a suicide bomber than wait to be captured, who's to say Leia did not organise this ship for the Bothans? I was trying to show the opression and desperation in Galxy this way and kill "many bothans" but nobody has tried to help me develop this or suggest anything else and at the momment I cannot develop it any further So either people do not like it, or cannot be bothered to think about it. It does not bother me though I'll pat myself on the back.
So when the vote is finalised if the Graphics team does not agree with the vote, and they refuse to work on possible ideas what do we do then? What if 2 ideas conflict? What if people who voted for somthing clear off and stop participating but the direction stands and others still in are opposed against it? Collabrative fan-editing may have it's flaws and many people on here push their ideas without commenting on others or trying to help others.
I think Theodo done a good job of defending his idea for sure but it needs to be answered in real terms not explained to me. I get the explaination
Anyway Vote or no Vote let's keep going and we'll see where this leads...
Darth_Ender out of curiosity How many people have Voted?
darth_ender said:
Well, I came back and there was some issue with Movie Maker. I'll try again, but that means I will not get this up till tomorrow. I promise, no later than tomorrow and you'll have at your fingertips the most amazing crappy, low quality edit of the Battle of Endor evahhhhh!!!
Have you cut the whole movie in rough? That would be a most outstanding effort man.... If it's only the end part that would still be cool....
Darth Ender sorry to do this publicly but I have changed my mind on one of my votes.... The idea of having the pyre on Tattooine has grown on me I would like to change this to a yes if it's possible but happy with the original otherwise....
My thoughts are this Lamda shuttle flying towrds tattooine cut back to celebrations on Endor then cut to SE celebration footage on tattooine instead of having the T-16 over mos-eisley swap this for a Lamda Shuttle (or add a Lamda shuttle?) in the celebrations. Once again cut away to Endor then cut to The Pyre is on a cliff and in the distance we see endless sand dunes go into the distance with 2 setting suns bathing gentle light over the curvy dune sea It pans up as usual to a night sky no force ghost no fireworks and no changes to music. In this case we do not see Luke on Endor celebrating it would need padding out from Endor Celebrations in the original version.
Also expanding upon the previous suggestion about Father & Son on Endor..... Showing a stronger more Violent Vader... Should the glass begin to crack in the tunnel behind Vader as he looks out of the window on Endor?...as if he is applying pressure from the force. I do not want to see it shatter only grow cracks as Vader looks out the window towards the camera. Wether this would include a flash back also of Vaders creation on the operating table or just the normal scene I will explore this later just ideas.
The key to destroying the Falcon lies with cutting Lando's "Yeeha!" and the weird Dude Laughing should probably be replaced with when he is asked to look up from the lost rebels deleted scenes.. The Yeeha would be silent and would serve a momment just before the Falcon explodes to look as if he is screaming. Fireball FX and so fourth after this before final destruction of Falcon and then DSII...
May I add this is my final ideas to explore I am now done with plot expansion/ changes and suggestions.
Looking forward to your rough cut Ender....
Look Pal, I don't think yout idea is rubbish far from it... The whole hang up is executing the corusant idea so keep going and I hope you can figure it all out.... I gave up on it because like I said before I do not believe you can make a good edit of ROTJ and do this Idea.... It does not mean it's a bad idea it just will be extraordinarily difficult to get it to sound, look and feel right so keep it going If you have all the answers make it happen
fishmanlee said:
Another short restored passage:
Father and Son Restored Passage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8eCuzn5q5U&feature=channel_video_title
Well done on this fishmanlee although I prefer the original deep cello or double bass at the end of the scene but this might just help me incorporate an idea I had about this scene.
I am cutting both lines Luke "I can feel the conflict within you let go of yout hate"
and Vader "It is too late for me"
It am planning it to go Luke "you Can't do this?"
Vader "The Emporer will show you the true nature of the force... He is your master now"
Luke "then my father is truly dead?"
Vader goes over to the window and pauses, I am going to attempt to show Vader on the operating table and his helmet being placed on at this point from ROTS.... I am completly unsure if this will work at all... but going to give it a try... I am hoping that it may offer up some type of symbol of Vaders pain and the influence of the emporer but not sure it look that way and not too certain if I should show the Palps saying "Lord Vader.... Can you hear me?" then cut away.back to Vader looking out the window or just dtry earlier so your music reconstruction may just help me get there.
I already tried somthing else here with Obi-Wan Audio only and it did not work...
After Darth Ender does his new rough cut... I am going to revise mine in many ways but this may or may not make it.
TheOdo your explaination is good but you did not answer how you will attempt to accomplish the "threat" with any scenes breakdown like pruposed changes so it would appear that the empire is spread thin across the galaxy.... Or How do you intend to show the oppression in the galaxy?
How do you even plan to show the emporer as a dictator? I am referecing his arrival at the death star where pretty much all He and Vader does is talk about is Deathstar being completed and Luke? and then it's the same again you have not thought about it....Vader travels from Corusant To Endor to witness lukes pressence flys back to corusant to tell the emporer then goes back to endor to get luke to bring him back to corusant.... Sorry man I'd rather watch the original...
I will say this to you... I have already thought about it before and It is not possible to make a good movie and do this idea.... But go ahead and prove me wrong and good luck
ok I see what you mean about V for Vendetta...Book Good / Movie Bad, Yeah so how does Endor Play in this, is this a moon of Corusant? The problem with that is that Endor is nowhere near it but you then throw the prequels out the window, which does not bother me too much but people will be like "what?"
Questions
Is there a death star in this version and where is it?
If they blow up the Palace who destroys the Death Star as this threat is not there /removed?
What threat is there of impending doom or Political reasons that causes people to uprise against the emporer if there is no Death Star and how do you attempt to conjure this threat with what footage is available?
Endor has a shield generator protectiing a Palace on another Planet or a Deathstar?
What destroys the Rebel Capital Ships?
What does the executor crash into?
Luke goes to Endor and then to corusant and then back to Endor?
You also forgot re-dubbing the emporers lines / and having to remove much of his parts in it. And JeJerrods Lines in fact what does he even do anymore and Vaders Lines.
This is just some of the questions I have....But these spring immediatley to mind.
TheoOdo said:
Okay, so my idea about setting the final battle in the Imperial Capital isn't so popular, but I'd like to say two things in its defense.
Firstly, the original, I think, lacks tension compared with this idea. The Death Star is apparently not operational. We only discover that it's operational during the battle. This makes for a good twist, but it also leaves the tension very slack up until this point. The Death Star is also apparently undefended, meaning that we can expect this battle not to be too difficult, until it turns out to be a trap. This idea, on the other hand, would have the rebels seeking to assault the Imperial stronghold, which is only for the moment less defended than it usually is. It's a desperate attempt to knock out the Imperial government while they still have a minor chance of success. This possibility for success is then dashed when it turns out to all be a trap. In this concept, the tension is high at all times. At every moment, they're facing a tremendous danger, even in the best of all possible scenarios, and then the worst possible scenario - which would be the arrival of a massive imperial fleet - occurs.
Secondly, I think the destruction of the palace could not only be as good and exciting as the destruction of the Death Star, I think it could be better and more original. Take for example the conclusion of V for Vendetta, which features the destruction of the Houses of Parliament. The symbolism is clear - it's the elimination of an old order and implies the institution of a new, better order of life. If the Imperial Palace was decked out in statues of the Emperor, intimidating semi-Gothic arches and other imposing imagery, its destruction would represent the collapse of the whole oppressive Empire. It would give the viewers more reason to believe that this is a blow that the Empire can't recover from. It has lost not only its leader, but the seat of its government and likely the whole of its political class. After all, the Empire was very centralized. It's possible that they orchestrated the oppression of the galaxy from this massive base of operations.
Imagine something like this, with Williams instead of Tchaikovsky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnPvbfogeSI#t=1m53s
Theoodo, I have 2 things to say about your Idea, whilst it is good, and even I thought about the corusant scenario the main problem is executing it... Making it all happen on corusant the amount of Audio dubs from main characters from "Death Star" to "Empirial Palce"... It is not only an enormous undertaking with Audio and Visually + Graphically too but being able to even pull it off and make it plausible is another and I believe that even though the DSII is a recycled idea it has everything there already waiting to be manipulated in such a way that it can work alot better than than even the original has to offer..... Even with DSII staying at the helm. This is only my opinion, there are many others who would really want to hold the battle of endor on corusant, I for one do not believe it is possible....
secondly, ROTJ is'nt the best film but V for Vendetta is the worst film, I had to turn it off when I attempted to watch it.. . So I never saw that scene before in the link you posted... I get what your trying to say like an uprising but how to show a massive uprising on corusant without filming huge crowds of people , dressed up and with CGI Backdrops and real sets is definatly beyond my vision, If you can attempt to show us how you plan or propose to execute your ideas then it would add more weight behind it... Perhaps it can be done but having an idea and then not thinking about how you will do it are 2 totally different things. Granted alot can be achieved by sticking different background mattes up and alike but you are practically talking about making half a different movie and that is why I also ditched this idea myself, after briefly supporting it I realised it's not for the fainthearted and no offense to you or anyone else who likes the idea as I like it myself somewhat it is just such a massive burden.
@fishmanlee Is it too busy with SFX added just wondering why it was cut in the first place?
Millenium falcons destruction ideas
So Lando makes it out of DSII but evey shot after the "yeeha!" the back of the falcon is on fire like petrol burning on it's back we see this on everyshot of the falcon up until and while DSII is exploding and flying towards the fleet.
The falcon then has a small explosion This video below is how I would imagine the falcon to look before it explodes / burns out a bit more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf94QodBNAo&feature=related
Then starts looks a bit more like the video below with smoke perhaps in Endor Atmosphere, while the ewoks blow there horns even
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnLm7gkkxo&feature=related
and then completly exploding... fire chunks breaking apart It I don't think it should hit the ground it should break up in mid air or in space. It does seem all these effects are possible in after effects so would need to re-use footage of the falcon from another of the trilogy to show it starting "burning out" then it would be all effects there after
Just wanted to visualize the idea a bit better my main concern is that although there is the elation of destroying the DSII we immediatley cut to the downer of the falcons destruction so there would have to be some celebration on Endor and before Han and Leia have a smooch it would then cut back to the falcon on fire.
Or it would simply make it a suicide mission have no "Yehaa!" and make the falcon a fireball slowly blow that up first and then DSII destruction?
It's a tough one... And if there was no way of making it work it should just stay as the original IMO.
fishmanlee said:
As promised:
Return of the Jedi
The Lightsaber Restored Ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_K8HL0psC8
Did it get chopped off short in the special edition? I never noticed the synth lines after this either with the AT-ST the scene has more impact with that sting..... Does it work with the sfx on top though and the laugh? Or is it a bit busy...
DominicCobb said:
I always imagined right before Madine dies the shot becomes green, if you know what I mean (rhyme by the way). Like as he's saying something a green filter fades in to represent the DSII laser fire, then the ship explodes.
As for the Vader vs. Jerjerrod scene, if we can dub it that's perfect, but otherwise I think it could work without a line from Vader at all (Jerjerrod says Vader can't see the Emperor, Vader chokes Jerjerrod, Jerjerrod changes his mind).
The green filter might just work good idea....
I think you could be right about the choke scene too, just have some Vader Breath then cut straight to the throne room. But also if the dub could be done and sound like the real thing or string a few exiting words together to make it work but may not need it as you say.
darth_ender said:
Hey, Ron. Lots of interesting stuff in your post there. I don't know if you've had the chance to look at this thread, but there is good talk of cleaning up the deleted scenes and even adding color, starting about here. The color thing is not a guarantee, so I'm not relying on that as much, though I still have my hopes. But I hear what you're saying.
As far as the sandstorm, it's not just a bunch of stills; it's a full length scene. If you are looking at the YouTube reconstructions, those came out before the BDs and are based on previously released images and a crappy clip. The real thing is in pretty good shape, and if cleaned up and dubbed with good impersonations, it could still be usable. Don't give up on it.
The two scenes you are talking about including sound interesting. I've been trying to think of how to reasonably show Madine just before his ship blows up. He'd have to receive some report of being targeted and knowing there was no escape from his underlings before he says, "May the Force be with us all," but I like the idea. And I think you're right in the placement of the Jerjerrod scene, though I would suggest including where Vader says, "I will await his convenience," but redub him to say what someone else suggested, "The Emperor will see me...NOW."
I like the Beggar's Canyon footage. Arizona is a good place for desert mattes, that's for sure :) And the vids look like good reference material too.
Oh yes was looking at the Youtube footage ok,,,, Is the Audio good enough?
Instead of Dubbing the line for Vader how about use the Line from a new hope... "Insignificant against the power of the force" from the council meeting. Or find another line perhaps. Or try to string somthing together But if somone can pull off a perfect Vader impression then yes that would be he best.
About Madine if what I suggest works then no need for ship has been targeted dub give it a go!
darth_ender said:
Happy New Year! It's still half an hour away for me, but I'm here at home while my wife has all the fun chaperoning a church youth dance. Just FYI, I'm virtually done with another Battle of Endor rough edit. Nearly all the surface battle has remained the same, and my focus has been on mostly the space battle and Jerjerrod. I should have it uploaded some time tomorrow.
Another thought about the final battle: we never really see the Rebels losing that badly except when the DSII fires upon them. It'd be good to see the capital ships taking more of a beating and getting destroyed as well; all we see once fleets are mixing it up is the loss of star destroyers.
Happy New year All,
Darth_Ender I had an Idea as I was looking at some of the deleted footage, and specifically referencing General Madine. My idea was this Just before the deathstar fires for the first time use the shot of Madine swinging round on his chair and then cut to DSII Dish goes green then the close up of Madine but only include the line "The Force be with us" and have the DSII then destroy the Mon Calamari ship. It would basically imply that he's on the ship that gets destroyed.
Well It might not work like that but fiddle about with it.
So Far as Vader choking Jerjerrod I think put it before when Vader goes back in to see the Emporer the second time but only use the line from Jerrjerod "It is The Emorers Orders" or whatever it is then cut to Vader Arriving in the throne room, to discuss lukes presence.
Anyway thats how I would incorporate those 2 deleted scenes.
Alot of the Lost rebels footage is in Black and white, not sure how you are planning to use that footage as I doubt it is any good. But Gunners on the Falcon might be nice. Re-using ANH Port window Footage for destroying Ties.
The Sandstorm is a complete write off IMO also you cannot do anything with still images, it's basically a reconstruction But the Matte might work well at the begining before we see C3PO and R2 head towards Jabbas Palace or afterwards and just show the Falcon Taking off with the X-wing. Keep the Dialogue from before they part ways.
Not too bothered about showing the phantom Ties but if we see one or 2 ok but like you said no special attributes..
Good Luck, with the rough cut, I look forwrd to seeing what you come up with. I will Re-cut mine again when I've seen yours.
Bit of a development I just got a new Laptop and I may have enough power to do a dvd quality edit of ROTJ, So I may go ahead with doing a cut as I have spent so long pulling this film apart now.... Would this be Helpfull? I would like to cut my own personal version... But would be happy to perhaps cut the collaborative effort script also when all has been finalised. Although I am not sure how this would all come into place with a collaboration.
For Luke Getting to Tattooine just seen this footage from Flight of the Phoenix and could perhaps draw some inspiration from this aswell as using some footage and for Background Mattes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6c7PMfwW98&feature=related
from 05.30 in ref vid Could use Footage Speeding along the ground and the drop into the Canyon After seeing this I would really like to see Luke fly out beggars canyon against 2 suns rather than just 1 here. There is also some sky shots looking down at the desert which could be incorporated coming in from the atmosphere of Tattooine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9DA8yYzop4&feature=related
Theres also some good shots here especially at the end of canyon fly throughs which could incorporate the back view of the x-wing with R-2 from ANH (DS Trench) 04.22 / 09.55 /25.16 /27.03 / 28.51/30.18 Ref Vid
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This is the sort of thing I had in mind anyway with the x-wing composited onto this type of matte
What did you guys think of my brief scene outlines involving B-wings?
Somthing Like that I am all for it! as long as it does not take too long time-wise, This would give alot more to the B-wings as they were new for ROTJ and did not really get much screen time.
So far as Y-wings I would be happy with re-using footage from ANH and showing them Bombing the Executor somehow perhaps a couple of Y-wing being destroyed too. I don't like those other PT ones but thats just my opinion.
what about Tie-Phantoms?
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080706064110/starwars/images/9/9f/TIEfantom.jpg
