Ronster

aalenfae said:

Well, I have much to learn.
Must have just downloaded an unlucky one, haha.

Alright, I downloaded the N1 Starfighter from Sci-Fi 3D and re-textured it.
I also remodeled the engines to make them more run-down, removed some panels on the top, and added internal greeblies.
Thoughts? Should we have the N1 make an appearance?

I really like what you have done and the paint job is really good great work but to perfect it I think the exposed engines need a rusied matt effect, along with the shine gone of the engine nose cones, it should be unshiny and absorb more light not reflect... The Red can be darker slightly and more mottled or keep what you have and add a layer of darker red spray.

The other thing is there is lack of definition down it's sides it could do with some rivets running parralell along it's body line with occasional vertical lines of rivets behind the cockpit. Hard to explain but like the bladed edge of it's body after the wing does not look solid enough

Not quite a heap of junk yet... I'd like to see one of these even smash into the shield of DSII... There is cockpit shots in Phantom Menace so If that were a good idea then a cockpit shot showing another rebel ship hit the shield and a comms line "Pull up!" followed by one of these blowing up....

Would not mind to see another later they look much better when they are not yellow :)

Thinking about the DSII shield would it look good as a honeycombe hexagonal sphere surrounding DSII appearing only when Impact occurs. like it shows a an area of hexagonal lines see through wall on impact in a yellow orange neon. Like a Bee hive?

It's good to know that this resource is there, I am glad because I guess It can help make things alot easier for everyone or a place to start atleast and not having to start a model from scratch, although that may be an option if you feel it's not good enough or simply wish to increase detail or re-skin.

I guess some may need correcting too like they might not animate quite right perhaps.... Do the B-wings and X-wings have animation on their wings? or just a solid model?

They have the Text scrolls on their too pretty neat site for resources

@alanfae it's ok because Home One would not go into the thick of battle so the cruisers will suffice, the shots of home one are already enough probably?

aalenfae said:

It depends on who models it. Usually, the quality is very high on Sci-fi 3D. I just downloaded a Naboo Stafighter, and I'm re-skinning it to look Rebellion. These could really work for even very up-close shots.

I think the main goal is it needs to look used... add a bit of carbon scoring in there... Like it's seen some action *hint* *hint* ok no hints just make it look like a heap of junk

fishmanlee said:

 

Ronster said:

Well not once do we go inside a Tie-Fighter.

We do all throughout the Tie Fighter vs. Falcon battle, and death star battle in ANH.

Sorry, I meant in ROTJ we don't see inside a cockpit of a tie fighter.... Should have explained myself better.

Just think it would bring it back to it's roots more, like bring it back on track a bit

What is the quality of the stuff like on 3D-SCI-FI site anyone rendered any of these and see how they look up close and what is good enough?... If it's not is retexturing a possibility or re-skining?

OK Darth Ender I was reading your script and what you have in mind might just work... Although it's different to my vision I think you are slowly moving towards somthing more cohesive and that is good... But when I saw you want to let Bobba Live I just think that there is no point in letting him live apart from his current death is crap so I know it's tough call but it was a shock to see that comment.. But well done and good work assembling all this infomation on the script.

There will be major divides on Ideas remember that you can never please everyone, and the majority is not always right either. The even bigger question is does democracy even work films are made by dictators aka directors but I think perhaps after the second round of voting it should wrap on that and do what any other party that gets voted in does i.e. whatever they want lol

Angel said:

darth_ender said:

I know Adywan used some shot of a TIE pilot from behind. 

 

Angel, I never noticed any reused cockpit shots.  

 

The only reused material I've ever seen is when the stormtroopers and TIE pilots are scurrying through the halls of the Death Star after the Executor crashes and the point where the gunners are preparing to fire the superlaser.

Its from a fan film called Star Wars Revelations

The live action cockpits/props are the same as ANH. You can notice that they have the trench X white schematic on the bottom and not only that but its flipped and rised.

that doesnt count tho on the back of the Xwing. It seems each movie gets more complex and bulkier. Possible upgrades?

The Stormtrooper running are indeed from ANH but outakes.

-Angel

Can't you see Wedge pimped his ride up with a decent Valve Sub-Woofer and surround sound system.... The guy needs to let others know he is the business....

In case you missed the link I'll re-post it I did a comms chatter mock-up on the lost rebels voices there are a few usable lines but bear in mind we could add this effect to any audio dub and would also work so again more artistic license.... It's only rough and I could manipulate anything much further than this for the desired effect anyway link below

http://www.mediafire.com/?dlbh511a6r2a808

I would love to do some of the sound effects for the edit and I hope you feel I could pull it off. The problem with the audio in these shots is that there is alot of background noise so it's not a pure source, but anyway if you wanted to give me a couple of lines to do I would play with it.

For instance this is Darth_Enders Voice Manipulated again the sound of your car in the background but it does not sound like you anymore he heh

http://www.mediafire.com/?ou1n89q8x7aa6qe

MrInsaneA said:

Oh God.....Sci-Fi 3D has some fantastic models...I am especially intrigued by the Non-Cannon ships.

 

http://www.scifi3d.com/list.asp?intGenreID=10&intCatID=31

Anyone think that all those Jedi Stafighter concepts would be good for that "more varied" Rebel Fleet idea?

A 3d Hounds Tooth is up there also on that link.... Which completly makes my idea of the plans being handed over do-able... Not sure about the quality of the model but looks good in the picture... The Idea did get voted to hand over the plans and like Darth Ender has his version I have mine... But when I saw that the Hounds tooth is up for grabs free well I nearly wet my pants... And theres a Bossk CG Head to boot!!!

I think the 1st Cargo craft also in your link should be included in the establishing shots of DSII they would fit in very nicely... Making it more believeable and they look kind of empire like also.

I looked at the rebel ships and basically it's all there really everything I mean, those models if good enough have slashed the workload down massivly if they are at a good enough standard. My only concern is that can they be made to look used or dilapadated, aged say if they look too shiny and new they wont fit.

There is loads of Tattooine stuff also it is a great resource pool indeed good find well done Jaitea

fishmanlee said:

Ronster said:

I would ignore the first bird she is just crap

 

She is in the theatrical movie y'know.

Well they obviously did not use the audio from this recording.... I'll just agree she was a lost rebel even if she made it in

I'll say first place goes to the old american granny

then Fish Face... I guess she comes third.... The bloke who was doing the puppet on the falcon is truly abidmal and can see why they decided to come up with another language when it came to his lines

I put some effects on the Lost Rebels Audio to create a type of comms chatter effect I would ignore the first bird she is just crap and would be better suited to somthing like the magic roundabout... Link below

http://www.mediafire.com/?dlbh511a6r2a808

darth_ender said:

Ron, I don't feel I'm running away from any pacing problem.  I feel we addressed it well enough with Vader contacting Luke, as I wrote here, and as a few people agreed.  Don't worry, I'm sure we'll vote on it, and I have my work cut out for me since no one else wants to manage the voting.

Ok No Probs It needs mocking up from before and after to know it will work it's not cinema yet only words on a page...

darth_ender said:

Well, it could satisfy the desire of so many to see something of this sort while simultaneously allowing us to stay truer to the original movie in story and in feel (something hard to duplicate if we include any non-OT footage).  It's just a suggestion, and not something I'm going to be part of.

 

So I'm on the last part of the script, and I have to bring up something again, though we voted it down: Anakin's ghost at the pyre scene.  Let me argue for it one more time.  If we show the Ewok celebration and all three Force ghosts smiling, there is Luke's resolution, as well as the audience's.  We know Luke is cool with his old man, and so are we.  But if we follow that with the pyre scene (which we voted to do), he is now sad and emotional, burning his father's carcass and armor (or at least the armor).  This does not capture the right emotions then.  If, however, we simply show Luke smiling while looking at Ben and Yoda, and then after burning his father he comes to terms with him as he sees his ghost, I think it would be a far better fit.  Let me sum it up like this: if we keep the Force ghosts, the pyre scene needs to come before it.  If we put the pyre scene at the very end, we need to remove the Force ghosts.  UNLESS...if we remove Anakin from the trio and reveal him DURING the pyre scene (as Aalenfae will show us in an upcoming mockup), then we can keep both scenes and the desired order.

Can we include this once again in the next vote, or is it really dead?  I really think the logic is quite sound.

completly logical and sound choice 100% with you on that, although the complication comes down to which anakin to see which kind of makes me feel ile why do we need to see him at all... Vader came good in the end.... But he's passed on now y'know

ray_afraid said:

Ronster said:

 

are you suggesting put the film back in it's original format of sequence then?

Not at all. I've already given my idea for a new beginning. See my sig.

you know that is a really good idea, and I like it alot too but it does not help fill any gaps... infact it gives us 1 less cut away if done this way and until somthing gets nailed down on how this start plays out I cannot give it my vote yet.

@Darth_Ender look ROTJ Collabrotive cut will be a short film if you don't pad the begining out somehow.... It sounds like you are running away from the problem...

Ok like how Spence Cut ROTJ would you agree that it worked really well in Jabbas palace I don't think it did at all none of the characters were given enough time to develop into their roles properly we are trying to fix that no?

Let's learn from what has already been done and try and go in a new direction, atleast that is my suggestion.

@Johanus I think your idea needs toning down it's too much and too soon and would be overdoing it... I also don't agree with all the new ships but I like the ambassadors ship the most out of these suggestions

darth_ender said:

While I'm for cutting Ewok stuff, I don't believe it can be a successful complete excision.  Therefore I think minimizing certain things and rearranging the plot can be a more realistic solution, plus inserting a couple of well-placed home-filmed commando clips.

Now speaking of all this filming action, no one has volunteered any ideas on how to obtain costumes.  When we finally decide on what we're filming, where will we get the costumes?

The Helmets were modified WW2 Helmets from what I can remember, a tie die camo throw and some timberlands and combats should be fairly cheap eh?

ray_afraid said:

darth_ender said:

Ray_afraid, I think that's a fair comment, and as much as I enjoy pondering many of these ideas, a big part of me agrees with you.  Yes, we are trying to slow the pace (which is why I especially like my tiny little version of the Bothans delivering the plans--slows it a bit, but not too dramatic), but I worry a whole new scene would be too out of place.  I like the ideas, but I just don't see how to make them fit.  Obviously I like my ideas, but even my own little scene gives me pause as feeling out of place.  The only reason I wrote it was to go along with the vote.

It would make for a great short film, but I just couldn't accept it as a part of the trilogy. Actually, I'd love to work on it collaboratively as a short film.

we are trying to fill in the blanks, are you suggesting put the film back in it's original format of sequence then?

You know it is really hard but Ithink Bingo wings is on the right track and your script for the plans is good also... I like my idea of the plans being delivered better but hey let's try and amalgamate all this into a whole concept that would work.... Was it Tiggderm that suggested Boush before this could atleast make it a main character you just would not know it if it was the first time you had watched it.

darth_ender said:

Somehow Bothans delivering plans to the Rebels was an idea that we successfully voted upon in spite of voting down other Bothan ideas.  A lot of this is quite complex, which is why I wrote a short scene (and in my opinion, a short scene in this situation is a good thing).  However, as I've stated, the votes are guidelines and not rules, and we therefore can change what needs to be changed.  We've gotten a lot more participation of late, so the next vote may be quite a bit bigger.  I myself prefer simple but meaningful changes.

 

So speaking of changes, I'm still working on the script (I know, I said I'd be done yesterday, so sue me).  One point made by Ronster with regard to my cut of the Endor battle (and thus my script, as they are similar) is that it took too long for the fighters to enter the station.  I'm thinking that we should include a brief dogfight scene (as discussed above) where the various Rebel fighters try to gain access to the superstructure and the Imperials try to prevent that.  So according to my script, the Ewoks and Rebels have the Imperials on the run on the surface, Chewie and a couple teddy bears get the idea to hijack a walker, but we don't know that yet.  Cut to Death Star, fighters shooting each other.  Falcon and several fighters also are scrambling to find the entrance to the superstructure.  This explains part of the holdup and can include more of the dogfighting and intercom chatter you guys were talking about earlier.  Then cut back to Chewie and Ewoks swinging onto the AT-ST and committing grand theft walker.  Thoughts?

I think in your version the shield was down when chewie steals the AT-ST so are you suggesting cutting back and fourth would work well as in the original this happens before the shield is down but I definatley feel this might be a good inclusion and a good place for some dog fighting aswell as at the first point when the shield is still up.

the whole thing about Jejerrods conflict would be better used to target the small moon not Endor thats suicide. That small celestial body you were talking about Darth Ender might work well as a better target than Endor... If they blew that up then it might wipe out the rebel fleet and there own fleet too lol how about that and this could happen during the dog fight not the attack run...just thoughts coming to me don't think that I am all go for it just exploring.

@ray_afraid thats why I just suggested Boush / Leia

I like Bingowings Idea...... This does execute things differently and would definatley fit better in ROTJ than a recycled a new hope begining.... A transmission is very simple indeed... What ship would you have it be bingo wings? somthing neutral I suppose. hey ok what about it is Boush on the ship a bounty hunter ship no need for lip sync either if it's boush / Leia

Ok so in your version we would simply need to see that ship rendevouz with the fleet carrying the plans? or keep it traditional USB Stick Droid Download and out the airlock?

Later we see Boush with chewbacca

Just thoughts trying to amalgamate ideas here

It's quite good but I feel it is'nt long enough sorry but thats my Opinion does not mean I am right or anything

darth_ender said:

Well, my little scene involves few visuals, is short, gets across any additional information anybody wanted, is simply a clue to the story's progression and involves no emotional connection, and fits in with the recent vote.  I think it may be all we need, but I'm not sure everyone liked it.  I like the idea of showing simultaneous DS constructions, but I'm not sure how to pull that off...yet :)

You know all too well what I am talking about... If you open the movie as normal with Vader going to DSII then what do you put inbetween Luke Leaving Dagobah and getting to Tattooine.. The emperors visit stays where it is agreed so thats what I am talking about... It does not need to be Bothans it can be anything I am talking about cuts away and padding.

Ok forget about Bothans look at it like this instead as a series of choices

1. Original opening > Dagobah > Blank > Tattooine

2. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Tattooine

3. Original opening > Tattooine > Dagobah

or my Idea

4. Blank > Dagobah > Original Opening > Blank > Tattooine

Thats what I mean really like I said I don't care about Bothans but I do care about the structure

Bingowings said:

I just had a thought which might augment the Bothan idea.

One of the major criticisms of ROTS was the long building time for the first Death Star compared to the second.

What if the Bothan information included security footage of the building of the first Death Star which after analysis showed a second Death Star at an earlier stage of construction being built along side it.

The Bothans could have followed this up by finding out it's current location and also the details of the Emperor's visit.

It's a good idea only problem with it is that the whole structure of DSII was different although I agree it was being built along side DSI...

Cant we just have the plans stolen from the shield generator on Endor and before they escape they get captured or self destruct the ship whilst being captured as I suggested... Atleast that way it involves the Shield Generator from the start... We see this as one of the goals our hereos must get to before Jabbas palace and rescuing Han then DSII later... urgghh I dunno what to do about this

it seems nobody can agree but then I think It is only a matter of time before somone sees the light and nails it... We desperatly need somthing to make the structure work properly and make the plot more cohesive in the process.

I still maintain I don't want to see Bothans only hear that they died trying to steal the plans but I don't mind seeing them try in exterior shots of a ship being destroyed...Say or any other simplistic way... Ambiguous way

Bingo-wings please could you perhaps give me your alternate take on this idea please you have a good imagination. Link Below

http://www.mediafire.com/?nczs921vtp0ouh8

The main Idea was to show a failure and the empire capitalise on the situation... I think you can come up with somthing for sure The probe droids are meant to be escape pods they would need modifying obviously.

Angel said:

Ronster said:

And I would also like a bit of dog fight action like from ANH especially with the Targeting HUD Graphics it would make it feel a bit more  like the original and TBH I think this is one of the main things missing

Just to add that ROTJ has already reused footage from ANH in terms of cockpit shots. The already cheap production got cheaper. Always welcome to see something new.

-Angel

Well not once do we go inside a Tie-Fighter Either surely that's got to change too? The Tie Fighter Cockpits were just cool the with the hexagon window so cinematic.... A real opportunity lost also in my opinion That would help dog-fight action too I guess with the black strormtrooper flyboys and a bit of rearview window to boot. Obviously what's going on outside the window will be different but you get the idea

Here's to making an even cheaper ROTJ Hoorah!

darth_ender said:

Ronster said:

darth_ender said:

I really like the idea of radio chatter.  Only question is how to show it.  They were trying to set a furious pace when making the film, and the rapid switching gives that feel.  Unfortunately it leaves little time to include chatter over the radio.  We need to seek out parts where enough focused is left on one particular cockpit or bridge where we can insert others' lines over the radio.

Well I meant.... say in one of your proposed new shots say... Use a cockpit view and whatever that is going on outside the window is new, with radio chatter say or a face shot of wedge in cockpit or even a hud with radio chatter.... targetting computers are also good for this and Gunners on the falcon... There are plenty of opportunities and will make the CGI exterior shots perhaps less intensive and break things up nicely. Even Madine looking about with coms chatter would work... You need to create the opportunities but it will help the exterior CGI shots run smoother with perhaps less work too.

Blowing up Fish face in cockpit would be easy too :) lol

And I would also like a bit of dog fight action like from ANH especially with the Targeting HUD Graphics it would make it feel a bit more  like the original and TBH I think this is one of the main things missing

Many good ideas here.  I'll include them in the vote.  I'm still updating the script from the last vote (yeah, I know I'm late), and I'm making sure the changes I make can actually be incorporated.  I really do like the idea of more dogfighting, radio chatter, and HUDs.

I found a new flat today and sorry If I seemed harsh on people before was having a bit of a bad one, but things are looking up and I hope my mood today extends onto others also.. I was also angry because I don't have much time at the momment to do the things I want to do... But hopefully this will change a bit over the next couple of weeks or month say

@Angel what were you saying about not re-using any footage? Lol :)

Vladius said:

ShepardCommander said:

2. Leading the Battle of Endor. Why they signed up Lando to command? He is betrayed once Han, do the military commanders trust him? Or Han leading the ground forces. And where the other soliders dissapeared, that only the Ewoks remain? Can't the ground team communicate the Fellet, and call in some air support to destroy the shield generator?

Someone's forgetting the little maneuver at the battle of Taanab.

Remember save Lando? life or death there really is no inbetween.... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH0olbts9-4

darth_ender said:

I really like the idea of radio chatter.  Only question is how to show it.  They were trying to set a furious pace when making the film, and the rapid switching gives that feel.  Unfortunately it leaves little time to include chatter over the radio.  We need to seek out parts where enough focused is left on one particular cockpit or bridge where we can insert others' lines over the radio.

Well I meant.... say in one of your proposed new shots say... Use a cockpit view and whatever that is going on outside the window is new, with radio chatter say or a face shot of wedge in cockpit or even a hud with radio chatter.... targetting computers are also good for this and Gunners on the falcon... There are plenty of opportunities and will make the CGI exterior shots perhaps less intensive and break things up nicely. Even Madine looking about with coms chatter would work... You need to create the opportunities but it will help the exterior CGI shots run smoother with perhaps less work too.

Blowing up Fish face in cockpit would be easy too :) lol

And I would also like a bit of dog fight action like from ANH especially with the Targeting HUD Graphics it would make it feel a bit more  like the original and TBH I think this is one of the main things missing

Angel said:

Ronster said:

Would Empire at War really look like ROTJ though?

Not a chance ;). Still when someone wants to propose a change or an additional shot, this game might give inspiration of how a shot could be. Like a previz moving storyboard.

Later it comes the real deal of doing CG and coordinate the flow.

-Angel

 

 

Ah ok I see... Well it's the B-Wings blowing up a Star destroyer or the attack on the Comms ship and the destruction of the executor which seem to be the things that either got left out or could use better visualizing... I dont think it should be overdone too much 2mins max extra if that... Not to mention some Ship to Ship destroying more ties and rebels biting the bullet plus the Falcon Gunners would be good too even via huds and cockpits and comms this could be fairly easy to Pad out to 2mins Extra I reckon with using some deleted scenes.

I'd really like to see the Y-Wings Bombing somthing too and I hope that Idea of yours makes the cut... Would you modify shots from ANH to do this?

Only just saw your expanded comment about the ENDOR HOLOCAUST lol poor little Ewoks.... They would be an endangered species after this, would make for a great David Attenborough documentry somone should definatly do this idea for a laugh...

Angel said:

Ronster said:

Well done on this, I noticed it was a differnt formula to directing ROTJ when I was thinking about the Audio and no Comms chatter at all really...

Interesting enough now you said that the comlinks are missing.

Beautifull takes can be the cinematic view of Empire at war (game). At some rare moments you can take a well placed action and illustrate how the batte would you love to be.

-Angel

Perhaps this is a bit of progress then to break the Bond... Make it feel a bit more like the original in some respects, whilst trying to incorporate new shots through cockpits with Comms and exterior shots, it obviously needs to be a demo take to see how it comes off. Would Empire at War really look like ROTJ though?