wow... I heard about the characters and relationship with the heroin louis lane was not developed enough.
Too Bad trying to make Superman in to Batman the dark knight was never a good idea.
Un salvageable wreck then... Hmmm
nightstalkerpoet said:
If it wasnt for the fact that itd be really hard to pull off convincingly, i would love to see Leia give the speech - she was a Senator, after all. ive always thought RotJ cheapened her character and made her seem weak. Perhaps this could be slightly redemptive.
When you put it in terms of Leia giving the speech I actually think it would really be a wow factor but impossible to pull off... Radio Drama? Star Tours footage?
on very simple thought of an idea of connecting our universe to that galaxy far far away.
Why do we never see these distant travelers?
I have already made up my mind due to the world we live in that this sequel trilogy will be a money spinner.
The story ended with Return of the Jedi and a great story it was. I am over it now.
I have not been and I think I am going to give it a miss... Could anyone who has seen it imagine it being superior with John Williams music?
Or is it just that bad and even music won't save it?
I was joking
DF Shadow said:
nightstalkerpoet said:
I'm not sure who would deliver it - whether it is someone who would have to be recast, or a new "rebel" representative.
Pretty awesome idea.
Maybe the hologram can be Mon Mothma? Would be nice to see her character show up one more time and seems appropriate for it to perhaps be her.
Maybe Ady can do something like he did with adding ROTJ version of Palpatine hologram to ESB but of course a new voice actress would be needed for the dialogue.
Admiral Ackbar would really make this work
Thanks Nifamol... I can't believe the bluescreen goof ups i have seen recently.
So big they are hard to spot but somone was not communicating properly with on set and blue screen as there are quite a few problems with the blue screen being the wrong way around or the footage. Well a few have reared their ugly head better than before it is too late assuming something is done about them.
*edit*
well I doubt this is possible doing a turn looking at the Revisited asteroid chase so I guess that means re-position the cave and well a lot of hard work for that to make sense...And stop Han from looking like a wally
Damn why so many monumental cock ups of the highest order in the original?
On Set Audio was used in this scene for the device Leia is trying to lock in to place. It sounds really hollow and on the final time she bangs it into where it is actually meant to lock in and hurts her finger there is no click or sense that she actually managed to do it.
Please can this be fixed with a few simple sounds to enhance the scene and stop it from sounding so cheap and hollow from the poor on set mix audio. It sounds like the noise of the prop on set and has no weight to it but Carrie acts it well. All the other sounds I think are fine.
I know it sounds trivial but sometimes the small things....
example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gnHTyyDDHY
0:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3brybfozQU
Nothing set in mind just not so hollow as it is in the film but of course subtle and not loud and altering pitch is obviously an option but at the same or similar volume as it is now.
oh_riginal said:
brimforge said:
@ oh_riginal
was the "Han Solo Prediction" also from you ?
interesting, I had always thought he used his instruments, scanners and therefore could say that behind the ridge would be a cave ...
Yeah, I did that one too, and plenty more, though a lot of them were blocked by youtube.
In one of those prediction videos (there was two) I put a mockup of having the little screen in the middle of the cockpit lit up to show that it was functioning. I figured it might be a subtle fix for what bugs me about the timing of his dialogue and the reveal of the cave. But I wouldn't be surprised if it goes unchanged altogether, and it's something I can live with.
Edit: Upon realizing that this was one of the unblocked videos, I decided to supply the link. The mockup I speak of can be seen around the 1:54 mark. It's a rough idea, but one I'd still like to see, and it would be one of the easier changes to add in at the last second, if Ady decided to use it.
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I don't think anything needs to be altered with this... When Han actually points and peeps over the dashboard the nose of the falcon is up in the air. Han has to actually spring up and look over. So he would be able to see over the rim of the canyon at this point. When Leia says "What looks pretty good" Han has already started flying towards what he has spotted and decided to dive back down totally changing the angle and making the Cave hidden because of the change in trajectory.
When Han Flys over the rim he then re-confirms that "Yeah, that will do nicely" because he has only just spotted again what he only caught a glimpse of when he was flying up higher.
Although he does point in the completely wrong direction I will give you that. To fix that all that is needed is to show the starfield going right to left in 2d animation to fix this
On this shot... If Han points to the right then the cave is on the wrong side unless we give the impression he was turning.. So for those brief moments when he goes up out the first canyon and and before he dips back down the starfield needs to go from right to left.
and will have to be quite a sharp turn also
Ow that hurts!
Thought I would come in and kick an old tin can about..
I hate highlighting errors and not trying to suggest a fix or multiple fixes so one more suggestion for Chewie shooting a stormtrooper he cannot see is replacing the footage of Chewie peeping around the corner with a close up of Leias gun shooting from the previous shot where she bags a trooper timed to the soundtrack.
I would like to say an apology also because I am not so pleased about my final conclusion on the analysis of Bespin escape in fact quite shocked, and although I was laughing It was not meant to be aimed at anyone and did not intend to come across in an undermining way if it was percieved that way.
I think the general idea of there being some sort of reaction is a good one to the lightsabre hitting the floor
adywan said:
Ronster said:
The first close up shot of leia shooting has 3 troopers and none of them step over anyone the first trooper get's shot? The trooper stepping over dead one in chewies area is correct nothing wrong with it.
Check it again. this is the first close-up we see of the stormtroopers getting shot and it's leia doing the shooting> keep you eye on the stormtooper i've marked with the arrow.
You can plainly see he is stepping over the body of the stormtrooper that doesn't die until Chewie shoots him later.
That is exactly the way I see it... So that raises another question....
If Leia runs as in the original from the tunnel from Right to left to escape... that to me suggests that Leia and Chewie have their backs to one another either side of the door. Chewie and Leia are mirrored back to back in the footage.
That is why I see it as impossible that chewie shoots this trooper. Even if she ran the other way (both Leia and Chewie face the similar direction) I still see it as impossible because chewbacca is shooting a trooper that is from a completely different area that he cannot possibly see.
When chewie shoots we don't see any other laser blasts other than his, same for Leia so again this tells us that Leia and chewie are fighting in different areas and not the same section.
*edit* there is a stray bolt when Leia shoots first trooper that flys in from right to left (first pic you posted) which I think confuses things even more can't be Lando because he don't have a gun until Chewie gives it to him later. I think this adds more weight to Leia running left to right to escape TBH but for that to be correct the stray bolt should be coming from left to right.
lol out my incredibly crap diagram!!! It is in fact incorrect that the stairs by the footage should be mirrored at the same angle on chewies side as leias side by the footage I did change this to mirror the other side and make it symmetrical because it is this way when they chase after Boba fett so I made it symmetrical.
The 2 sets of stairs should run parallel going by the footage
So the question I guess is do you interpret them fighting either side of the door with their backs to one another?
or either side of the door facing the same direction?
or do you see them fighting in the same side of the door?
Like I said there is no right or wrong only different ways of seeing it...And which ever way you see it it's not a big deal to me, I am sure it will be great.
adywan said:
Ronster, you seem to be over-thinking this scene, but in your fixing , you are creating more problems. If you have leia coming from that direction in the end then she would be in front of Chewie the whole time. Plus the screams need only be there when they are running past the people. there is a passage to time between that shot and them reaching the platform door and chewie and R2 are behind Lando and leia. Chewie covers the way the came and Leia covers the other direction. You seem so concerned about chewie shooting stormtroopers in the wrong area, but to fix it you are flipping shots to create continuity problems. But did you notice that the first close-up shot of the stormtroopers by the stairs being shot (by Leia) is actually set AFTER the stormtrooper that is shot by chewie as the rear trooper can be seen stepping over the dead body of the dead one?
But the other fixes you spoke of (lights turned out and no smoke or sparks on shot trooper) have already been fixed a while ago. Unfortunately the video i posted on youtube has been blocked so has now been deleted.
No Problem Ady, I am not trying to cause you a headache, Perhaps you are right and I have over thought it... I certainly do not have any hard pressed opinions on this scene only that I think it can be interpreted in a few different ways.
The edit I did was only to display that It does not look right that chewie shoots a storm trooper on the stairs of which he has no view of any stairs from the over the shoulder shots. and creating a funnel effect of fighting on 2 fronts.
I would really hate the music to be messed up in this scene because it is an amazing moment so that small edit was not a suggestion but to show you what I was trying to say. As a last thought I wonder if the footage could be re-synched to the soundtrack as a fix?
If Leia leaves from left to right I don't think it would cause a problem because chewie has already left no matter what he is on the platform when leia runs for it meaning Leia in the fire fight would have her back to the falcon. And you would not see the landing Platform out the window as this would be looking off away from this area. funily enough Lando would also look the correct way over his shoulder... lol
Leia would be back tracking via the tunnel on left to cover chewie there is a tunnel on this side too and it stops him getting flanked via this tunnel.
The first close up shot of leia shooting has 3 troopers and none of them step over anyone the first trooper get's shot? The trooper stepping over dead one in chewies area is correct nothing wrong with it.
I am talking about seeing a close up of chewie shoot then stromtrooper on the stairs gets killed by a laser blast. This one below.
The next shot is a storm trooper on the stairs being shot suggesting chewie kills this one. when he cannot see the stairs
Honestly this scene is confusing and there is a lot going on and I certainly don't want to have an argument of whats what at all, but I did my homework on it and I am sure you have too. I will leave it there and say no more on it and I am sure I will be happy with however you interpret it but I wanted to air what I spotted for your benefit that was all and thanks for reading Ady I really appreciate it.
I did some error pics for Bespin escape to make things more clear
I know you are aware of the no sparks or smoke Ady when this storm trooper get's shot... But the other thing to perhaps note is the sudden cut to the sound of the distressed crowd... Perhaps some screams in the background would help carry the sense that chewie is still in the same area or close by to Lando and Leia.
Errors
Another error When Leia Runs for the door the Lights are also off as they used the same set... And on that shot of Leia running is where the other interpretation can come from and it get's interesting.
The Way it is in the original... In this instance storm troopers to be correctly mirrored should be coming from Right to left to create the funnel effect of fighting on 2 fronts
The other way to see it is that they are fighting Storm Troopers on only one side... In Which case only this shot would need flipping and perhaps Leia taking cover and being pulled away but a more comprehensively doctored up to make sense...
So far as Chewie shooting the storm trooper coming down the stairs is concerned I think this is an editing goof.. Chewie cannot see the stairs from where he is standing only Leia can... So to keep continuity Perhaps the backround could be altered i.e. remove the stairs to make this work as chewie correctly shoots a storm trooper in view of what he can see?
Not sure how you will approach this or if you even see it as a problem but I thought I would do a more clear explanation of the scene and however you decide to interpret it there is no right or wrong just different interpretations but I hope you do agree that there is issues with it?
And it's obviously not your fault... Just trying to get this scene working much better than it currently stands in the movie.
Ok I am going to come clean I am confused by it...
But I started looking at it more in depth now.
a few things to note
1. The lights are on/off in the tunnel that Leia runs down
2. Red Glow is missing from pillar which leia takes cover behind (assuming you keep SE windows)
3. Window frame missing off to right of Leia's shoulder (assuming you keep SE Windows again)
4. Millennium falcon could perhaps bee seen out of window when Lando pulls Leia away depending on how you want to interpret it.
Ok I am less confused The storm troopers on leia side seem to be emerging from the wrong direction and chewie also shoots one of the storm troopers that leia should shoot because he comes from the same stairwell that leia is fighting them from behind the pillar.
R2-D2 is correct apart from we should see a glimpse of him going out of frame when leia runs for it.
That is my interpretation anyhow and I don't claim for 1 second to be right it is very confusing but I think It makes more sense now but the music is messed up a bit.
https://vimeo.com/69273301
Password = flipped
Regarding this cloud city escape scene.... I am retracting what i said about no shots need to be flipped.
If you look at the pic i posted.... should leia be esaping from left to right?
This whole sequence is a mess....
Although i believe R2 should be present in the shot i posted..... My focus has switched to leia and lando this is where the problem is..
Should storm troopers only be coming from one direction? And evetyone but R2 escapes left to right?
Like i said if it stays the same as in original no problem.... But i love a challenge and even for the sake of it let's make sense out of it :)
Wait a minute.... It's not the same door? There are 2 doors on to the landing platform.. that is why it does not appear to make sense because it is actu.ally another door similar to waiters doors to the restaurant and the kitchen... Ergonomically this would make sense
@monroville only the baseplate.....look what muddy did and he filmed it
@ady lol search your feelings you know it to be true.....
kershner's fault..... He forgot to put R2 in that shot i can live with it how it is but.... Your call really
I won't be upset if it stays how it is
could perhaps get away with 2d animation though? if the angle of R2 was correct but that is where it gets complicated.
But there it is...
you can hire a life size R2-D2 remote control one...
http://www.strawson.freeuk.com/droid/
The owner might do it for cheap if it is a good cause... It's a tricky one
@muddy good point!
The R2-D2 scene on cloud city really perplexed me after ryan pointed it out....
I had a proper look at it tonight and it's not pretty... But actually no shots need flipping at all but to fix it so that it makes sense here is what I come up with...
Yep I am terrible at art but you could treat it as if R2 moves while Lando is tugging leia so this happens off screen... But in my mind he should be in this shot to show R2 already there or moving across and in to the room again in that shot would help fix it but that is perhaps where it gets ugly or difficult to do.
Although the way I presented it is funny it is a serious idea for a fix... My art is appalling have a laugh I don't mind I accepted it a long time ago.
But the trajectory of R2 should be coming more inside the door as Leia shoots and runs.
Ok well if you can cut them weird sound effects it would be interesting to see how that changes things.... just a suggestion anyhow... I think it is one of the next logical steps
Ok Let's talk about the end of Jedi...
Do we really need the special edition celebrations? Even if Coruscant is a riot we don't need to go planet hopping around the universe?
Should the Ewoks be Playing drums only? with just the voices and ewoks cheering removing all the melody until the score kicks in at some point?
I really like the way you removed the stupid jump that anakin does...
But I was not sure on those strange sounds that you added, I know it was in the original but you seemed to add more of them? I think it made it feel more cartooney.
If somehow you can improve anakins arm getting lobbed off it would be better... As it was not clear at all what happened.
Good removal of Yoda Duel with the editing....
yeah darker.. but paint out the slits perhaps and make the base plate solid?
aalenfae said:
I think - along the lines of Bingowings - we should probably see some kind of glow from the machine itself. It hardly needs to be a radical effect. Even just a blue glow or something. Like this:
If Ady goes with this idea or something similar one other thing to note is that the metal curved plate seen off to the left (actually it's a base plate) is the same texture as the four squares so the plate underneath should be differentiated in texture if this idea or something based on this is done.
as this also is an illusion breaker
or vice versa on texture... Basically the four squares need to feel unique.
It Reminds me of Videodrome... Although it did not scare me.
Spinal Tap were not up to there usual standards mind
