Rodney-2187

SilverWook said:

Interesting idea! Not sure what we could talk about to fill up a minimum amount of time every week.

I was thinking the other day Frink should record some commentary tracks for his prequel trilogy when ROTR is finished.

Of course whenever there was a big announcement, the show would be dominated by talk regarding that, but most of the time news and rumors would only be a small segment. There could be other segments such as answering email, trivia, contests, interviews, reviews of Star Wars merchandise, and others.

A great idea would be debates. Not arguing matches, but civilized debates of the very things talked about in these forums. People would get into that.

Another one could be a Star Wars based quiz show where people face off answering obscure questions that only the die hard fans would know. That could be very entertaining.

I’d listen to an OriginalTrilogy.com podcast and watch an OriginalTrilogy.com YouTube show if there were such things.

Ahsoka did a lot more to START the Rebellion than Yoda or Obi-Wan did while hiding out. Where were they then? They could have helped Ahsoka.

I have no problem with any of it. It’s a big galaxy. I bet others survived Order 66 as well. Everyone has their own stories.

It all makes perfect sense to me. No plot holes whatsoever. You might not like the idea of Ahsoka and Ezra still being out there, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it.

Ahsoka left the Jedi. She has her own path. Hera fought in the battle of Endor, but we didn’t see her in RotJ. Who’s to say Ahsoka didn’t help the Rebellion as well. She just wasn’t part of Luke’s JEDI path, since she left all that to make her own way.

I’m less interested about what Ahsoka was doing during RotJ and more interested in the search for Ezra and what happened to him. Give me that story!

Collipso said:

rodneyfaile said:

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

I disagree. Yoda and Obi-Wan weren’t in the picture in between RotS and SW, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t Jedi or anything like that.

There were in hiding, not missing. Bail Organa knew how to contact Obi-Wan and did so when Mon Mothma requested (Rogue One). Never said Ezra wasn’t a Jedi. He is unaccounted for.

moviefreakedmind said:

rodneyfaile said:

Digital release in one week! Can’t wait to see that documentary!

It’s already coming out?

Digital release on 3/13, blu-ray on 3/27. There is a feature length documentary in the special features that I am very much looking forward to. Supposedly lots of other content as well.

Collipso said:

I personally think it’s bullshit to say Ahsoka and/or Ezra survived because even though “I’m no Jedi” for the former, Ezra IS a Jedi. And that kind of destroys the idea that Luke is the Last Jedi. But I think it was bold enough already to kill two (one for sure) of the main characters.

Yoda’s dialogue in RotJ about Luke being the last of the Jedi still fits because as you stated, Ahsoka is not a Jedi and Ezra is missing. We don’t know where he is or his status. He’s simply not in the picture.

I’ve been a big fan of Rebels and I think the finale was perfect. Rebels compliments and enhances the Original Trilogy in much the same way Rogue One does.

How long before spoilers can be discussed openly?

Digital release in one week! Can’t wait to see that documentary!

WW1 was called “the war to end all wars.” Then approximately 20 years later, WW2 started. There is no such thing as “and they lived happily ever after.” Life goes on. There is always another story.

SilverWook said:

canofhumdingers said:

In 2011 they held a direct, live, side-by-side comparison of 15/70 IMAX film vs 4K DLP at Moody Gardens in Galveston, TX. The general consensus among the industry professionals was that the 4K image was superior. I can only imagine that Imax’s laser system is superior to that Barco DLP projector. So I don’t doubt that by standardized metrics the Laser system is technically superior to the film system.

http://www.lfexaminer.com/20110518shootout-in-galveston-1570-vs-digital.htm

But it doesn’t change the fact that imax film is flipping amazing an can resolve FAR more detail than even the best digital mediums. Whether that detail makes it to the projected image is more debatable I guess. And resolution is far from the end-all be-all of image quality. Brightness, contrast, and color reproduction are all just as important as resolution.

Superior isn’t always better.

Obi-Wan? From a certain point of view?

DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

There are no ‘real’ spoilers here, just guesses, but here’s a Solo bingo card.

Some of these have no chance, some are plausible. But a couple are kinda what the f?

Never tell me the odds.

NeverarGreat said:

According to ‘# of movies they’ve been in’, Palpatine, Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin are the main characters in the saga.

I thought it was Chewbacca, R2-D2, and C-3P0.

Star Wars attracts people of all different ages, races, backgrounds, orientations, and creeds. Such a large group of differently minded people are bound to disagree about a multitude of things.

Now that we have the internet, we can not only find other fans from far and abroad, we can argue with them about all sorts of things.

The worst aspect I’ve seen though is the internet troll that just wants to post negative articles and videos to get clicks. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or even logical. The click is all the want, so the more sensational the better.

I think for the most part though, the fandom is very much intact and new generations are being brought in to continue on. This Star Wars train isn’t slowing down anytime soon, that’s for sure.

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yhwx said:

It’s amazing how people have selective amnesia. Yes, Luke did throw away his saber in ROTJ, but a few seconds before, he was about to kill Vader. And a few minutes before that, he’s prepared to “strike down” the Emperor, only to have his faithful apprentice intercept the attack.

I would call that a character arc. These things didn’t happen in a random order. Luke get’s goaded into using force, first by Palps, then by Vader to the point of almost killing Vader. Luke realizes he’s about to follow in his father footsteps, and composes himself, tossing away his lightsaber. He’s learned a valuable lesson, and passed the test. A test he then again fails in TLJ.

How did he fail that same test? Aren’t his actions just consistent with how he was portrayed in ROTJ? A person doesn’t stop making mistakes just because they make the right decision one time. As you pointed out, the Emperor goaded Luke into striking. Vader goaded Luke into striking. He seems to like striking and be easily goaded and then later comes to his senses. How then is going to Ben’s hut to confront him and freaking out about how far he has fallen and igniting his light saber out of character. It seems totally in character by the very example you have provided. That is his MO. React on instinct and then let his wisdom rein him in. You have just proven with your own examples that Luke’s actions in Ben’s hut are 100% consistent with ROTJ Luke.

I don’t agree. The idea of a character arc is, that people make a journey, usually learning from their mistakes, such that they don’t make that mistake again. In TESB Luke drew his weapon first when confronted with Vader, itching for a fight. In ROTJ Luke had to be goaded into a fight, and he resisted the Emperor for a long time, despite the real threat and suffering he faced. Luke learned from his experience in TESB, as he learned from his experience in ROTJ to finally become a Jedi. So, after ROTJ Luke should have grown beyond such mistakes in my view. The situation with the possible future of Ben Solo pales in comparison to Luke’s previous real experiences from my point of view, and so he should have been able to control himself. Let’s not forget Luke has had at least two decades to learn from his experiences before his fallout with young Ben, and to grow as a Jedi Master. Yet, TLJ seems to suggest the opposite happened. Luke regressed, and turned out to have become a far worse Jedi than Obi-Wan or Yoda, despite growing beyond their dogma in ROTJ.

When did we see Luke actually learn from his mistakes? We see him make similar mistakes over and over again and we never see him really grow past it. And why should the fall of his nephew not shake him to the core? You are building Luke up as a legend and not seeing the flaws he carried right to the end of ROTJ. When Luke threw down his saber and faced the Emperor he knew that he was likely to die. The Emperor didn’t goad him any further, he just tried to kill him. But there is no big huge change in Luke’s personality so him making a similar mistake due to the horror of seeing how far his nephew had fallen already could be shock enough for him to act on instinct over intelligence for a moment. I don’t know why that is so hard to believe of his character. His arc was to redeem his father, not to be the perfect Jedi.

No one is ever so great they can’t fail. No one is perfect. No philosophy or path is ever perfect either.
The closer you think you are to having it all figured out only makes the inevitable failure harder.
Luke’s previous success only made him more susceptible to disillusionment.

TV’s Frink said:

rodneyfaile said:

I believe he’s tooling with you, sir.

Joke’s on him, I’m not answering his call.

The more I read, the more I can’t turn away.

Is it all an act or … something else?

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

Becoming a Jedi is a metaphore for reaching a state of enlightenment, an ideal. When Luke says I’m a Jedi, like my father before me, he has grown beyond himself, and beyond his father. That was Luke’s arc. The ST then destroys that arc, by having Luke forsake everything he once believed in, only to pass on the baton to the next new hope, who again has to fight another Empire, and another fallen Jedi student. In effect the ST has Luke take off his beard and red suit, and then pass it on to Rey, and then expects us to believe Rey’s the real Santa Clause.

Just because he lost his way for a while doesn’t invalidate everything he did before or after.

DrDre said:

rodneyfaile said:

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Once you take off the beard and the suit, it becomes very hard to sell the reality of Santa Clause.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

No, Santa reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas to the children in the story. However, us critics have already seen Santa without his beard and suit, so we won’t be fooled again.

The legend is perfectly intact. Your delusion of perfection is gone. That is the lesson Luke had to learn too.

DrDre said:

Ocrop27 said:

I see many people saying that TLJ deconstructs the myth of Star Wars. I think this is a valid interpretation, but not entirely true. In my view this movie tests the myth, yes, it creates terrible (and incredible) obstacles for the heroes, making them question what was once unquestionable. “dead heroes”, as Leia told Poe, reminding us that in fact not everything serves a divine purpose as we usually believe for these films.

But after the dark journey that was the TLJ, we have a much more powerful myth, in my opinion. One that goes beyond the old norm, because it does not abandon what has already been, it just puts to the test and adds the new concepts. Luke in Crait was real, he inspired the Galaxy, saved the resistance and faced his biggest mistake, Ben. He was a great hero, but still only a man capable of making mistakes.

All the characters in this movie have their truths tested and evolve from that. Just as the film itself tests the truths of the saga (as TESB and TPM did before). I agree that this film has a postmodern side, consequent of the time in which we live, but I do not think that it left the myth, only magnified.

You can’t have your cake and eat it. TLJ deconstructs the legend of Luke Skywalker, and turns him into the deeply flawed man Luke Skywalker. Luke then creates a new in-universe legend or myth of himself within the story. This is not the same as creating a myth for the benefit of the viewer. TLJ is a film about myth and legend, not a myth onto itself. If the OT is the story of how on the North Pole, there’s a mythical person called Santa Clause, who makes toys and then delivers them to children all around the world on Christmas Day, then TLJ is a story about a disillusioned fat old drunk, who tells a young girl, who’s come looking for the legend of Santa Clause, that he hates Christmas, and that Santa Clause doesn’t exist. After refusing to put on his red suit for the entire story, the old drunk redeems himself by donning the red suit one more time, and giving his greatest performance in the holiday parade, convincing children in the story one last time that Santa is real, before shuffling off the mortal coil. To summarize, a story about Santa Clause is not the same as a story about a guy playing Santa Clause.

I’d say that the legend of Santa is still intact.

Santa just stopped believing in himself and even the concept of Christmas because he couldn’t decide if Ben was naughty or nice.

Eventually he forgives himself, learns from his mistakes, not only saves the day, but reaffirms the legend of Santa and the values of Christmas for a new generation.

I believe he’s tooling with you, sir.

Collipso said:

rodneyfaile said:

moviefreakedmind said:

rodneyfaile said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.

I watch it on YouTube all the time. Bea Arthur is great. It’s definitely better than the prequels and special editions. No, that’s not hyperbole. There is nothing in the Holiday Special worse than jar-jar or that Jedi rocks musical crap.

No, it’s not better than the prequels or SEs.

Art is objective, not subjective.

The idea that there’s a skill behind filmmaking makes it not subjective but objective.

Assessment of that skill is objective.

moviefreakedmind said:

SilverWook said:

Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

Exactly, and the same goes for R2 and 3PO. Calling attention to then is just a distraction from the plot to say, “Remember these guys?” I don’t mind Easter eggs, I just don’t like it when films stop in order to draw my attention to things that are exciting purely because they were in other, better films.

The movie didn’t stop. We saw the droids for a few seconds as the Rebels left for Scarif. It was a welcomed sight and made sense they’d be there. It’s not like we followed them on a side adventure.

SilverWook said:
And Jumanji seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut. Not even a patriotic war movie could unseat it this weekend. Sony is probably lining up twenty sequels as we speak.

A movie about people trapped in and forced to play a game is making a ton of money? I hope someone is dusting the Tron 3 scripts off right now.

moviefreakedmind said:

rodneyfaile said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.

I watch it on YouTube all the time. Bea Arthur is great. It’s definitely better than the prequels and special editions. No, that’s not hyperbole. There is nothing in the Holiday Special worse than jar-jar or that Jedi rocks musical crap.

No, it’s not better than the prequels or SEs.

Art is objective, not subjective.

That will be a day long remembered!