Yeah, I didn’t really get their motivation for doing that.
I imagine there would be. I’m sure they want to keep the interest of the people who’ve been reading the books, not just the broader public.
You’re either brave or foolish, coming into the spoiler thread without having seen the show. 😉 They haven’t shown yet in the series, so someone else will have to provide information from the comics.
Not anymore, unfortunately. But yes, we’re getting off track.
I am very much looking forward to this show…probably more than I am to any of the other ones, except maybe the third season of ‘‘The Mandalorian’’. I haven’t gotten into the High Republic books and comics, but I am eager to explore a new era of the Star Wars universe on screen.
Anakin Starkiller said:
I don’t have anything wrong with hiring diverse people, it’s woke people I don’t like, and there’s a very big difference. Even then, it’s only a dealbreaker if it actually seeps into the content itself, which like I said is unlikely.
Apologies in advance for veering off-topic, but what does woke mean?
Over the past three years I’ve heard the word bandied about, but I don’t know what it means.
It depends who’s using it. Those who self-describe as woke mean it in the sense of being aware and vigilant about social justice issues (by which is usually meant racism, feminism, LGBTQ issues, etc.). Those who use it as a derogatory term or who see it negatively usually have in mind a particular sort of left-wing intolerance for anything that deviates from being strongly affirmative of LGBTQ rights (including things like pronoun usage), affirmative action, white privilege, equality of outcome for women, (democratic) socialism, etc. Most of academia at present could be described as woke (at least in my experience of Canadian universities).
Well, you can’t make something that’s for everybody, so it’s bound to happen that someone will be the odd one out. And the series definitely isn’t perfect, especially the first episode, I thought.
Chase Adams said:
An actor’s personal life is neither issue nor politics, and their casting isn’t representative of a production’s value or sentiment.
That’s very true. I was a bit hasty thinking it might affect the plot of the show.
No, I just don’t want the show to become an exploration of LGBT problems that are front and centre in our own universe at the moment and, whether you like it or not, are quite divisive. I’d rather it be focused on the High Republic as such. There are other types of shows that can do more justice to LGBT issues. I also don’t want Star Wars to explore climate change, or pandemics, or abortion, or immigration, or populist politics, or the issues of capitalism and socialism. These things can be in the background, but I don’t want Star Wars to be about them, so long as they remain controversial/hot topics. I want to be immersed in another universe when I watch Star Wars, not constantly brought back to real-world issues, regardless of the actual stance the show takes.
Anakin Starkiller said:
Amandla Stenberg goes by both ‘she’ and ‘they’, is lesbian, and is an outspoken feminist
I’m very glad to learn a little bit more about the series as it’s one of the upcoming projects I’m most intrigued by
Me too, but did we really learn anything here besides the lead actress?
I just hope it isn’t too indicative of the series itself. I like my Star Wars to be an escape from reality, not a reminder of hot-button issues. Then again, Star Wars has always featured some call-back to real-world issues and politics. Just not usually contemporary ones.
I don’t know if the world wants anything from you. I believe that God does, though. The only way to find meaning is to find truth and conform your life to it. If (a) life is inherently meaningless or (b) you haven’t found the meaning, it’s hard to be happy.
I hope you’re doing OK. Feel free to PM me if you want someone to talk to. I promise my goal isn’t to just force my religion on you. I bring faith into it because I genuinely believe that that’s what will help you.
Also, did anyone else get a bit of a Buffalo Bill and the railroads of the old west killing buffaloes vibe from this scene? In really liking how this series is carrying on the Western vibes that Lucas planted in ANH with this series.
Very much so. It fits really well with Star Wars and what we already know about the sandpeople. I get strong Native American vibes from them and I like that we get to see them humanized a bit more relative to their previous appearances.
I’m much happier with the latest episode. It seems they’re leaving any real resolution until later in the season and what we’re getting now is just build-up. The episodes feel less self-contained than in Mando, which I think is the reason the open-ended ending of the first episode felt jarring to me. I’m really enjoying the insight into the sandpeople’s way of life.
Just finished the 2nd episode, and man, Favreau really gets the SW vibe. This was a really great episode.
The western movie vibe was strong in this one with the whole train sequence, and I especially liked the train conductor droid. I’m so glad to see that Favreau is embracing the absurd and metaphorical logic of SW. The interior of the “locomotive” section with all the tubes and the blue-burning engine is perfect SW weirdness that is just similar enough to our past to be recognizable, but just ‘futuristic’ enough to have that veneer of sci-fi to it. I also got some strong Lawrence of Arabia vibes from this sequence, and the end credits concept art pretty much confirmed that that was intentional.
I did not expect the Tusken peyote trip. Nice to see some Force-vision type thing away from the Jedi, the Sith, etc. We’ll have plenty to theorize about for a while with that scene.
I very much agree with all this. This feels exactly like Star Wars should, but it’s not just recycling stuff we’ve already seen. This kind of stuff gets me excited for more.
The Camie and Fixer cameo turned out exactly as I expected. It’s a fun little easter egg for SW fans, but to 99% of the audience they were just two civilians that needed to be saved from a swoop gang.
Agreed. I think they handled it really well. And we got to see Boba kick some ass instead of getting beat up, so that satisfied some of my disappointment with the first episode.
The fact that the assassins sent after Boba in chapter 1 are supposed to be the best of the best also makes me feel a bit better about Boba not being able to take them on. Still doesn’t explain why he didn’t use his jetpack though…
Boba is different. I’m not sure if emerging from the sarlacc is intentionally symbolic of a rebirth of sorts, but I’d imagine being swallowed alive by a monster but somehow surviving is enough to give anyone a new outlook on life. Plus we’re seeing that wasn’t even the end of his ordeal.
It looks like he still has some lingering physical issues and likely some form of PTSD. I think reinventing himself is a necessity at this point. We still see flashes of his brutality, but he’s trying something different now.
People often think they understand how to be the boss and manage people, but when they get into that role, they find out just how much they weren’t even aware of. I can’t wait to see if it all works out.
If you’re responding to me, I’m not talking about the scenes in the “present day”, I’m talking about the ones that take place immediately after getting out of the sarlacc. I would expect that to be a transformative experience, but not one that would result in immediate changes.
He’s having flashbacks to seeing his father beheaded by a Jedi in the wake of having his own ass handed to him by a Jedi. I’d say he’s dealing with a lot internally.
That’s a good observation. I still think the characterization of him doesn’t fit all that will with the OT depiction.
I realized that my perception here may be influenced by the trailer. I rewatched it and noticed that it depicts Boba very differently than the actual episode. Of course, trailers take things out of context, but the editing in the trailer results in Boba seeming far more decisive, authoritative, and strong, without implying that he’s not honourable. It’s quite misleading in that respect, which I think set me up for disappointment when Boba doesn’t come across even remotely as badass as the trailer would suggest.
I’ll have to wait and see where the rest of the series takes him.
I finally got to watch the episode and I have to say I was a bit underwhelmed. It’s too early to judge, but I think my main two issues are:
Boba Fett seems suddenly really tame. I don’t have a problem with post-Mando Boba being that way, but the Boba Fett that came out of the sarlacc and is captured by the tusken raiders seems very mellow. It doesn’t seem like the OT Boba Fett who had to be told not to disintegrate people. The fact that he’s smiling as the tusken kid shows off the kraken head seemed so out of place to me. I expected a tougher, more determined and ruthless Boba Fett to start with. If he had been consciously trying to escape the sarlacc for years before he succeeded, that would help explain why he might be different, but the episode shows him waking up and then almost immediately blasting his way out. The fight with the town ninjas also made Boba seem kind of pathetic. Given the kind of action we’ve gotten from the Mandalorian, you’d think a renowned bounty hunter would put up a bit more of a fight, without needing Gamorrean guards. Then again, he did blow up a guard, so maybe he was just trying to avoid causing too much trouble at first.
The ending felt too open-ended, but it wasn’t a cliff-hanger, so it left me feeling dissatisfied without strongly wanting more. I feel like something more should have happened with that guard that was captured, setting up some kind of problem or more serious conflict for the next episode.
There were several things I did enjoy:
The sarlacc escape and Boba losing his armour to the Jawas, then his freedom to the sandpeople. It was exactly what I would have expected and handling it any other way would have felt wrong, I think.
The world-building, especially the shots of Mos Espa and getting a look at the tusken raiders.
Seeing a lot of familiar aliens and other “Tatooine stuff” in a setting where it didn’t feel shoehorned in or world-shrinking.
Yeah, that’s annoying. People are freaking out a bit too much over Omicron, methinks.
The people dying in hospitals from Covid beg to differ
I meant that Omicron is less serious than other variants and people are reacting as if it were far more serious.
Yeah, that’s annoying. People are freaking out a bit too much over Omicron, methinks.
Just seen something interesting, @AdamFrazier on twitter shared this (which someone on Reddit spotted before him): looks like Boba will be visiting Anchorhead, and it’s just like how it looks in the original deleted scene.
StarWarsExplained theorized that the man and woman in this scene could be Fixer and Camie, so that would make a lot of sense.
The doorway does look quite different though, but this would be set 5-10 years after ANH after all, so alterations to the building could have been made.
Doesn’t look that different to me. Notice the horizontal lines barring the inside of the doorframe in both cases. I think it’s just that the lighting is different.
Aw, too bad…
I’ve been chipping away at this series for almost 10 years now and I’m finally done!
I appreciate Ahsoka as a character much more after Season 7. The last few episodes of Season 5, with Ahsoka leaving the Jedi Order, was probably my favourite part of the whole series, but all of the last season was really enjoyable and well done.
I’m disappointed that The Bad Batch is the continuation of this, but oh well.
On to Rebels and then The Bad Batch.
That’s great, hope it goes well!
Glad to hear it! 😃
The whole “Release order vs. Chronological order” debate could really be a thread in itself. I’d read that. In fact, I might start one.
Pretty sure there’s at least one thread about that already. Maybe take a look around before creating a new one (check the index threads to see if one is listed there).
I highly doubt you’d be banned for that.
But yeah, that not only sucks, it’s just plain stupid. In a world where everyone’s self identity is paramount, it’s unbelievable that your own identification of your sexuality is deemed wrong because of an incongruity with someone else’s self-identification. (Even if your perception of why you were banned is inaccurate, it’s still dumb that anyone would insist you’re gay based on someone’s non-physical gender identity.)
You’d think people who preach tolerance would be tolerant, but alas…
Not of intolerance. Yeah it sounds contradictory, but it’s true.
Again, what is construed is intolerance is often not intolerance, just a difference in views.
“Being mean” is construed incredibly broadly. Questioning people’s ideologies is now considered intolerance to the point that those who consider themselves woke are rarely aware of why the so-called bigots actually believe what they do.
It’s true that there are very real problems with racism, sexism, and homophobia, but the problem is that the approach to these issues is incredibly one-sided. For instance, it used to be politically correct to say that you “don’t see race”. Now, anyone who says that immediately experiences the ire of those who “know better”, regardless of the sentiments behind the statement. They don’t even get a chance to explain themselves before they get shut down and labelled a racist.
Obviously, not everyone is like that, and it’s a two-way street–there are plenty of actual bigots, which is why non-bigots get the label in the first place. But it’s not any less frustrating that those of us with non-politically correct views are slotted into a very narrow box and not listened to.