I was lucky enough to see the Identities exhibit in person when it was in my area. It was pretty neat! I especially loved seeing the models up close. It’s a pity I wasn’t old enough to fully appreciate all the concept art, but it’s nice to see it again.
Not to start an argument but at least TFA and the “subsequent garbage” had characters that grew and you came to care about, and were more than faces with a single trait.
To each their own, I guess. I never came to care about the ST characters and found them bland and unconvincing (aside from Han in TFA, but he’s not from the ST). I cared much more about the Rogue One characters by the end of the movie, and that was without any major character development or really fleshing them out. I think the difference was in the story. I found the RO characters believable because I found the story believable. I didn’t find the ST characters believable because the story was awful from beginning to end.
But this shows you how subjective this really is. It depends on your expectations and on what you look for.
Sorry to hear that… I’ll say a prayer or two.
The 21st century is the best century in modern history and anyone who says otherwise needs a history class.
This depends vastly on your criteria. I’d say it has its benefits, but it’s got a lot working against it too…
I think the problem is the dull characters. Each has an interesting backstory that should make for an interesting character but watching them interact they all looked so bored. Cassian says he’s been in this fight since he was 6 but we don’t learn why. What motivates him to push further and further towards grey morality, in essence becoming as bad as the Empire to fight the Empire? That should be interesting but it’s never explored.
Maybe this is why I don’t get all the hate for Rogue One… I feel this way about every movie. Movies are too short, I find, to really get attached to the characters or explore them fully. Obviously, some movies do this better than others, but I always need to spend more than 2 hours with characters to really feel an emotional bond. Even still, I felt just as connected to the Rogue One characters as I did to characters from other good movies, so I feel like it worked well for what it was trying to do.
I love it. 😃
Regarding the OP, that’s exactly how I viewed canon back when I cared, before the EU was demoted to Legends. You don’t need a big corporation to tell you how to view canon. It’s all up to you.
The way I thought of it was that all the Star Wars books and movies are “based on real events”–that is, they’re all retellings of what “actually” happened, so some of them might stray more from the “truth” than others, or might introduce new elements, or be merely “inspired” by a true story. Thus, Jar Jar in the prequels is simply an interpretation of the real Jar Jar, and the sequence of events was perhaps modified. That left me free to imagine things as “really” being however I wanted them to be.
I’d rather not see continuous universe shrinking. Maybe one or two of those bounty hunters, but we’ve already seen so much of them in the Clone Wars that I’d prefer that they were only brought into the show if it really makes sense for them to be there. Too many characters seem to show up in these shows just for the sake of being there, without it really contributing to the plot.
I’m kind of glad it didn’t make it into the film, TBH. It would likely have looked quite dated compared to everything else.
There’s about three memes in this entire thread. The rest are just pictures with text. I think y’all are too old for the Internet. 😉
That’s a good point. They definitely have overlap, but they approach storytelling from different angles.
Great post and thread! It’s given me a new appreciation for Star Wars, and a greater appreciation for the continuity of the ST and PT with the OT, even if I still don’t like either.
The Lady & the Hat said:
Good food for thought. I feel the Surrealist aspects of Star Wars are lost on most viewers. With so much sci-fi being derivative of Star Wars, it becomes normalized.
Yes, there’s a great irony in the fact that Star Wars, which started with a movie so weird that most studios rejected it, is now virtually the definition of mainstream. Few of the copycat films over the last four decades have understood what made Star Wars work. There’s been a lot of really good sci-fi inspired by the aesthetic and technical achievements of Star Wars, but not the storytelling “philosophy” it used, at least not in many other big budget mainstream films.
Very true. A similar thing happened with the Lord of the Rings. It sparked a new era of copycat fantasy books, but none of them get what made LOTR so great. I find it really interesting that you mention LOTR a few times in connection with Star Wars, because what drew people to them was quite similar I think:
- Basic good vs. evil story;
- Strong universe building–you really feel that the story takes place in a well-developed world in both of them;
- Archetypal characters;
- An internal logic that also doesn’t try to explain too much;
- A gritty (and thus believable) but also very magical world.
Unfortunately, people just try to copy the aliens and spaceships (in SW), or the different races and the magic (in LOTR), and miss almost everything that actually makes these films/books so appealing. Or their imitation suffers from a failure to write a good plot and they rely too heavily on the above-mentioned elements.
I definitely think that the PT and/or Clone Wars (or at least the hype for them) was responsible for getting younger generations interested in Star Wars. I know I probably wouldn’t have taken the interest in the OT that I did were it not for newer content.
Yeah, I think it could do without all the little rooms in the central space. It’s not what makes logical sense for a ancient temple-like building.
I’ve always loved the book that that’s from. Wish I had it.
Thanks! I think I’ll have time to watch them all though before the next season of the Mandalorian comes out. I’m a somewhat obsessive completionist, so I have trouble skipping over things… Very cool poster though.
I didn’t stop, I just haven’t finished catching up! I had only just started season 2 a year ago. I didn’t have a way of watching anything beyond the first season till I got Disney+.
Knight of Kalee said:
I agree that season 2 in general improved on the strengths of the first series, though I’ll conceed some of the new faces or references to the lore could became a bit overwhelming for those who hadn’t kept up with all of the Star Wars content (particularly Filoni’s previous animated works). One of the things I liked the most about season 1 was that even someone who grasps only the basic stuff about SW could enjoy the series. Season 2 isn’t as newcomer-friendly in that regard. However, now that the parallel spin-offs (Boba, Ahsoka, etc.) have been properly set-up, the upcoming third season can go back to a more self-contained narrative, even if it’s bigger in scale.
I don’t think it’s confusing for newcomers, just less exciting. I haven’t seen seasons 5-7 of the Clone Wars, so Bo-Katan was just a new character for me, and it worked. And I don’t really know what Ahsoka’s been up to since season 4, aside from the occasional spoiler I’ve had the misfortune to read recently.
Ha, yeah, pretty much. Once more people started coming West, the mods understandably wanted things to be a bit tamer.
Yeah, Duracell was the glue keeping Off-Topic together. With him gone, I doubt many people will want to post here. It’s a shame, but I understand why it happened.
I think the glue holding Off Topic together was Frink (just by the sheer volume and hilarity of his posts), but he joined the “abuse the guy who made this site possible” bandwagon, unfortunately. Duracell was the just the last of a handful of members who were major contributors to Off Topic, all of whom have now been banned or rarely post anymore.
The thing is, Off Topic had a certain flavour unique to the Internet, but when it became moderated and the rules changed, the kind of people it had attracted in the past and which had made it so much fun also became the kind of people who didn’t like or disregarded the new rules. And then the Politics thread became a catalyst for a personal conflict, which resulted in the Off Topic contributors being decimated, and which has never really ended (the only thing ending it is everyone on one side getting banned for keeping it up).
Glad to see you’re back, Handman.
Ah. Well, welcome back. 😛
Let me guess, in the next few days Spuffure is going to be posting here again. It’s like the episode of Seinfeld where Elaine kept breaking up and getting back together with the same guy.
The “ignore this post” at the bottom makes me think he’s already given up on giving up on this forum.
They would never admit fault and retcon anything, but Clone Wars sets a precedent for additional media that normalises and patches over mistakes for an existing trilogy over time.
This seems more likely to me. A future animated series could feature Luke, Leia, and Han, but be set closer to the OT and have more freedom to do something different.
Or he could be in a throne room chair a la ROTJ, but with the chair facing away from the viewers, giving him a scene without actually showing him.