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#86233
Topic
STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86233/action/topic#86233
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I have that set of DVDs. I bought them on ebay some time ago for about $40.00. Of course, that was before I knew about the OT.com. Oh well. The dvd cover for the multi-pack case has a pic of Darth Vader surrounded by a silver frame. At the top of the case it says "Five Star Collection."

The bonus disk for this set comes with the Leonard Maltin interviews with George Lucas that were part of the SW Faces set. The quality of the DVDs is about the same as my VHS copies, which makes me wonder if it isn't just a widescreen VHS transfer to DVD.

Bonus Disk Features:

Leonard Maltin Interviews

3 trailers for each film - 9 trailers total

Behind the Scenes -
- Bad copy of "From Star Wars to Jedi"
- How Walkers Walk
- Lucas Film Archives

Image Gallery

3 Deleted Scenes from A New Hope (poor quality)

The Menu screens for The Empire Strikes Back is the same as the one you have for A New Hope except it has a pic of Darth Vader instead of Obi-Wan. For ROTJ the pic is of Luke. They were going for a Blue, Red, and Green theme for them menus I guess. A pic of the Emperor is used for a background on the bonus disk.

I would download the TR47, Dr. Gonzo, ISOMIX, etc. before I would download this set due to the difference in quality.

I hope that helps.

BTW, MF.com is back up and running for anyone that cares.
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#86022
Topic
Am I the only one who prefers the old ewok music?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86022/action/topic#86022
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I completely agree with Darth Simon. Besides the fact that the news of the destruction of the Death Star II and the death of the Emperor travel at an amazing pace, even the head of the empire is dead, it does not mean that the empire has vanished. Coruscant is still under imperial control, there might be panic, but not the kind of celebration on a mass scale that the Special Edition depicts. Get real.

I thought that "Yub Nub" was fun because it worked for the small gathering of weathered warriors. It worked for the Ewoks culture and it seemed a lot more upbeat than the new music. When I first saw the ROTJ SE in theaters and the celebration music came on, it just seemed really depressing. I mean, the rebels just won a major victory, I would be partying! Not solemnly considering the effect on the rest of the galaxy.

I also think that the balance of music in that section of the movie was better originally. After all, the funeral pyre scene was sad and "Yub Nub" was happy. Now it is like going from sad to solemn.

The original music did have a piece that fit with that one ewok drumming on the stormtrooper helmets. The new music had a piece but it sounded a lot different and not as good in my opinion.

Rebel11_38
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#79500
Topic
Info: Enough of the "Censorship" and "PURITY" threads
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79500/action/topic#79500
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We're drowning in needless debate in relation to something that is supposed to be fun.

The only unaltered version of Star Wars is the one that played in theaters. If we were to use DanielB's definition of what the "original" trilogy is then it would be the made only with elements created at the time or prior to its theaterical release. DanielB said that minor changes Lucas made up to 1993 didn't bother him much (i.e. could still be called original), but the only original was only seen between 1977-and 78 for a re-run. This is the only one that could and should be called "unaltered."

One thing has been made abundantly clear through all of the versions that have come out. Lucas and his crew don't have an eye for detail. If they did, the glaring errors here and there throughout the trilogy would have been corrected.

Lucas can have a few minor differences, IF he's using the original material. That I'm fine with.


MeBeJedi is catching flack over just a few frames of lightsaber cleanup. If the "method" and/or "process" that MeBeJedi is using is something that was created prior to Star Wars coming out, and it is a method that Lucas revolutionized in his movies anyway, wouldn't that be nearly the same thing as using the original "material?"

Now I've got an analogy for DanielB. When trying to preserve an old book, the people doing so have to go to some great lengths. Let's say that a page has come out of it and it is in such bad condition that it cannot be reattached to the binding. The job that they are faced with is copying the text from that page onto a new page and attaching it to the binding while keeping the look and feel of the original document. This could entail using paper stock from the region it was produced, using a array of inks that were special to the time period it was published, etc. The overall purpose though is to make the new page look and feel like the original document, while making it stronger than the original that had come out.

Now let's compare this to what MeBeJedi is doing. Several frames in the movie have noteable effects errors. He takes the effects a frame at a time, duplicates the methods (albeit an updated version of the methods) that were used to accomplish the original effects, and prserves an effect that had been looked over. The result is one that looks and feels like the original frames, but is stronger/better than the original. So in essence, when you talk about preserving film history, MeBeJedi already is.

Honestly, I see this entire debate as being rather silly. I am simply playing the devil's advocate for what can and cannot be called "original" and "unaltered."

Rock on MeBeJedi.
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#79422
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79422/action/topic#79422
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This argument is lame. Any of those versions are better than someones hack job. Or Lucas's SE hack job. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. And why shouldn't we whine about it in the thread that was created especially for just that?

First of all, let me apologize accusing anyone of whining. I was up much too late last night when I wrote that, and today when I posted it I didn't edit it at all. Like I said before, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It was rude of me to call it whining.

Secondly, my point is simply that with so many different versions of the film out there, what is the official original trilogy? This question goes beyond this thread and argument to the objective of this entire site. I want to know how to establish what the original trilogy is and how that decision is reached.

Honestly, I like something about all of them. I grew up never having seen Star Wars in the theater. The first time I saw it was on tv, and edited for running time. Years later when I finally bought Star Wars for myself, watching the faces set was like watching the Special Edition. I had never seen many of those scenes before, and in a way I felt like the Star Wars I grew up with had been taken away. I just wanted a sharper picture and no commercials. I had no idea that there was so much missing on tv.

Now I have seen many of the various versions. To this day I still like some of the editing choices that were made in the tv broadcasts. Those tv versions that I have on vhs from the late 80s are falling apart though. I'll never be able to watch Star Wars that way again unless I edit the movies myself. So, would that be censorship?

If people here love Star Wars so much, why change it? Editing the films in fact shows contempt for the films, not love. Think about it.


If editing the films shows contempt, then Lucas must not love Star Wars at all. I think that George is misguided, and too paranoid over the wrong things. But, they are his films to do with as he pleases, so what can I do about it? If you want to put forth the reasons why one of the various DVD authors on this site should make a copy that reverts Star Wars back to its theaterical form, then go for it. If you want to wrok out a special request for such a thing, do it. I just don't like seeing those same people being told what they are doing is wrong when they have as much right to enjoy Star Wars the way that they want as you do wanting an untouched transfer from the original print.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone inparticular here, just expressing an opinion.
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#79437
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Wanted: I have 10 bucks....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79437/action/topic#79437
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If you want a copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special you should talk to Rikter. He just reauthored a new copy of it and it looks way better than the previous versions available. I think he is putting the final touches on it right now, so it may be a few weeks until it is ready. When it's done he will probably upload it to myspleen.com and then you can just download it. If you just want him to send you a dvd copy though, I suggest you e-mail him about.

Hope that helps.
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#79379
Topic
Censorship of the original films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/79379/action/topic#79379
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I fully support the efforts of MeBeJedi, Zion, Moth3r, etc. I believe that it is fully within their rights as owners of the original trilogy in any form, to adjust the movies as they see fit. Why would should anyone try to tell them that what they are doing is wrong? Perhaps the people that would tell them that are the same type of people that George Lucas has been trying to keep his movies away from since their inception. He wanted to make his moveis his way. He fought the system and won. Now it seems that we are being told that the only way we can enjoy the original trilogy is if we watch it the way the George intended. Well I have just one question about that, what way is that?

George said in 1997 that the Special Editions were the Star Wars that he had always envisioned. Okay, then what about 2004 DVDs? What about all of the various changes made to the films since the theaterical release? What about all of the future changes he might make in the future? Will that make the newest incarnations of these films null and void?

Which version of the film are we petioning for? The original unaltered theaterical release? The first version with "A New Hope" attached? The first version that includes C3P0s line about the tractor beam? How are defining original? Even if George does release the original films on DVD, what version will it be? There will still be people complaining that it wasn't the version that they wanted.

How can anyone here be mad about someone making their various edits and cleanups to a film that has never been the same since it hit theaters? If you want a completely unaltered theaterical release version of the movies, go talk to Lucas. He is the person you should be mad at. Really, if you want a copy of them like that then you should invest the kind of time and money into editing them that the rest of the people here have. It is probably the only way you'll ever get what you want.

Let's keep in mind what brings us all here in the first place. A love of Star Wars. Would anyone really spend the kind of time and effort restoring, editing, and preserving these films if they didn't really care about it? Bottom line, Star Wars is supposed to be fun. When people come in here critizing other people's hard work because they don't like it, it makes you wonder if all of the effort was worth it. Well, it is obviously worth to the people who are on these boards sharing their work with us. It is a labor of love for them. I can't fathom why anyone would be as rude to complain about this, when they are doing it foremost for themselves anyway. If you don't like it, fine! Either do it yourself or find somewhere else to whine about not getting your way.

The argument is not about film history or even about serious preservation. Lucas has the original film. Even if it was about film history we shouldn't have to hold it in our hands to preserve it. Let's be honest. It is about having Star Wars the way that we want it. That's fine. But unless Lucas releases the original theaterical print, and box of goodies with all the elements that he has added to it since, there is no way that everyone will be happy. If he did then we could all have the version that we want; the kit provided would allow us to add or moit elements we want or dont' want. Wouldn't that be great? The only arguing then would be over whose version is the best. Wait, I think we already have a little of that going on .

I look it at as a fan film project. The only difference is the source material. So, can't we all just be happy that there are those of us here that are not willing to shutup and just accept what Lucas is offering? If we can't, then so be it. But let's remember that this whole issue springs out of people's love of Star Wars, and if we try to censor the way they edit their home-brewed copies, then in fact we are censoring their love of Star Wars. No one is being hurt here, except maybe someone's ego, so don't censor the way that someone else expresses their love for something. Anything. That would simply be fascism.