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#87879
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87879/action/topic#87879
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Great stuff Darth Simon.

Let's throw this question around for a while.

How could we write episode III so that Obi-Wan knows that Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader, the audience doesn't, and the surprise that he is will be preserved for TESB? Without showing that Anakin is Darth, how would we explain Obi-Wan/Ben's explanation of what happened to Luke's father in Ben's home? We would know that what he tells Luke isn't true, and not just from a certain point of view . Unless there is another person pretending to be Darth Vader who pretends to kill Anakin. But then how would we explain that Obi-Wan clearly knows it is him at the end of episode IV? We know that Ben never trained "Darth Vader."

Remember what we are trying to figure out is how to preserve the surprise of TESB, keep Episode IV unaltered, and make Episode III satisfy those requirements.

Hit me.
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#87830
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87830/action/topic#87830
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GlopOfGrease, those are some great ideas.

I really like 2-4, I think it would be awesome to have seen 5, and I am totally agree with you on the first part of 1. I just don't know if I would have wanted Obi-Wan to have left the order. I think it might create more tension and regret with Obi-Wan defying the council while being a member of the order than while not. Then again, I was never a big fan of the Jedi council. It is never mentioned in the OT, and I don't know that it was entirely necessary. At least, not the way it was done.

I always pictured the Jedi having a temple(s) on a egyptian like planet. Lots of pyramids and spires and such. I really never cared for the idea of them being on Coruscant. I thought of the Jedi being more like you read about in the Tales of the Jedi graphic novels. Academies on distant planets. Knowledge being stored and yet forgotten. All types of different races and lightsaber colors...

If only
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#87827
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87827/action/topic#87827
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as far as meeting Padme, that could have been worked in as meeting her after he meets Palpatine. He would meet palpatine as a Sith Lord, after joining him but before the rest of the jedi figure this all out. Palpatine would inform him of his real identity and they would have interaction outside of their Sith dealings. It would be at this point, say Anakin is meeting up with Palpatine in the Jedi/Politician situation. Some political meeting would just be ending and he would get his first glimps of Padme. He then becomes obsessed with her and ends up talking to her and the whole relationship develops...the turmoil of his now 3 lives (Sith, Jedi, Relationship with Padme) would end up being what causes him to slip up some and allow the Jedi to figure out he is responsible for the Murders. This would be where Obi-wan confronts him and the battle ensues


I like this idea. I also think though that the story didn't need a strong focus on the mother/Padme. Anakin coulud have just as easily been dating Padme during the clone wars before he met Obi-Wan and then he got married to her. Or he could have met her afterwards and it could have been like what the prequels say about Jedi not having attachments...

I guess I just never gave much thought to whether or not Jedi were allowed to marry growing up. In fact, before the Black fleet series of books, I hadn't really given much thought to Luke and Leia's mother at all. Now I think there is a story that could be told about their mother, but I liked the books' idea that she was in some way connected to the force.

I don't know how many of you have seen the Rise of the Empire trailer made with legos, but I think that the story, albeit brief, is nice marriage between what I always thought the prequels would be like and what Lucas gave us. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.


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#87814
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87814/action/topic#87814
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quick question...in your vision, would anakin have been doing these assassinations of jedi while he was a jedi? what i mean was, when you say the jedi eventually figure this out are your referring to the fact that they find out that anakin is in fact a rogue jedi (sith) and the one responsible for the murders? I guess when you said this i kinda saw him as mole in the jedi order.


Anakin was trained by Obi-Wan during the Clone wars and for a time after. In my vision Jedis started there trained starting in their teens, not as toddlers. The fact that Obi-Wan trained Anakin past his teens was one of his downfalls and is what leads Yoda in TESB to say that Luke is too old to begin the training. Anakin is among the few in the history of the Jedi that started their training older than most, and it had terrible results.

Due to the war there was no way for Anakin to be trained properly. Since Obi-Wan saw that he already was drawing on the force during battle, he decided to train him. Obi-Wan was simply a Jedi Knight, not a master. Obi-Wan had been his teacher though, and once the clone wars ended Obi-Wan was allowed to keep Anakin as his apprentice. It was at that time that Anakin became more and more obsessed with the force. There were brief glimpses of Anakin taking the force for granted during battle (after Obi-Wan had begun training him), and with the war over it simply got worse.

Jedi were supposed to peace keepers, not a militia, but that was what Anakin was becoming. Scarred from war and dxrunk with power, he was not the same man he was. Perhaps if he wouldn't have been trained Anakin would have been killed during the wars, or he wouldn't have had a power-trip after. I don't know. Anakin was recognized as a Jedi at the time that Obi-Wan became concerned about Anakin. Anakin keeps harassing Obi-Wan about teaching him more. Obi-Wan is concerned but is still blind to the fact that Anakin is treading deeper and deeper into areas he shouldn't be/ Very similar to Exar Kun or Kyp Durron. Eventually Anakin goes in search of the power.

Thinking about it now, it really does remind me a lot of Exar Kun. He goes in search of secrets. He gets into far and can't get back out. One difference is that Anakin serves a dark lord, rather than him becoming the actual dark lord. Still, after his return to the republic he acts as if nothing is different, but in the shadows and the dark places he is doign the bidding of the dark lord.

So yeah, he is a Jedi when the other Jedi figure out what is going on. He is working undercover essentially. They don't know what is going exactly because as Yoda said "the dark side clouds everything." Sorry that I took so long to answer your question. I don't mean to ramble.

Thanks for responding everybody. Keep the imaginitive juices flowing.
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#87757
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87757/action/topic#87757
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I'm getting the feeling that most of you that have replied to this imagined a prequel trilogy that took place lot closer to the time frame of the original movies. That's interesting. I never thought about a prequel trilogy that was about younger versions of the main characters. I always felt that the story would be about Anakin Skywalker and the fall of the Republic.

I thought that Anakin was going to about Luke's age in episode 4 in the episode I though. He would be a starfighter pilot for the republic. When the clone wars errupted Jedi Knights being the guardians of peace would help defend the Republic. During one fateful mission Obi-Wan Kenobi meets a really good pilot by the name of Anakin Skywalker. Obi-Wan recognizes the force potential in Anakin and begins training him through the war.

Anakin soaks up the training like a sponge. Obi-Wan is amazed at how quickly that Anakin is learning and yet is wary of his desire to learn. The good friend and pilot that Obi-Wan once knew becomes obsessed with learning about the Force. Feeling that Obi-Wan is keeping the true secrets of the force from him, Anakin goes in search (this is of course, after the clone wars have come to an end) of those supposed secrets.

Eventually he meets the Emperor. He wouldn't have been the emperor at that time, but I didn't think that he would have met the politician first. He would meet the the pre-emperor/darth sidious, and then learn of his true identity. After palp. seduces Anakin with the allure of the dark side, he reveals his true plan for the republic. Anakin is addicted to the power palp. has given him and cannot defy him.

Working basically as an assasin for Palp. he starts taking out Jedi and political figures. Obi-Wan and others begin to figure this out and eventually Obi-Wan tracks Anakin down. They have their tragic duel and the rest is history.

I didn't think about how Anakin would meet the mother of his children, or the political intricacies, but that was my basic plot summary. When the first two books of the Jedi Academy trilogy came out, I really got into the character of Kyp Durron. He was how I had imagined Anakin Skywalker was in the prequels. Even some of the circumstances were eerily similar.

What do you all think?
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#87570
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Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw in ROTJ
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87570/action/topic#87570
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Bossk explained my point much better than I did. I just think that by the end or middle of ROTS when we see Darth Vader (for the first time, kinda) we should be as intimidated by him as we were in episode 4. From what I have seen of the production photos, Darth Vader looks like a kid in blck suit. The intimidation factor is gone.

I hope that I am wrong about it though. I really do.
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#87268
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Expanded Universe Novel Discussion.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87268/action/topic#87268
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I just thought that posting this in the EU discussion thread might get better results. I also found some more information about it.

This is from SW.com

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In October 1999, Del Rey released Vector Prime by R.A. Salvatore, the first of 22 planned novels in a series called The New Jedi Order. For The New Jedi Order, Del Rey and Lucasfilm responded to fan's requests for a well-planned story line overarching the entire series, books released in the chronological order they appear on the timeline, significant and lasting consequences for the heroes, and the ability to follow each book or just selected titles.

In order to introduce the public to this exciting new series, Vector Prime became the first Star Wars novel to be featured in a television commercial. Mark Hamill, the actor who played Luke Skywalker, agreed to supply the narrative voice for the TV spot which ran on the Sci-Fi cable channel. For those who missed it, starwars.com is pleased to make it available for viewing here in QuickTime 4 format.


The problem is that "Error : 404 : Requested Page Not Found On Server"
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#87259
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87259/action/topic#87259
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With the last of the Star Wars movies coming soon I wanted to take the time to discuss what we all had imagined the Star Wars story to be through all of those years of waiting. The prequels are nothing like I ever imagined them being, but what did you imagine? Did you come close?

The one thing that I personally found cool about Attack of the Clones was the connection between Boba Fett and the Stormtroopers. Growing up and watching Star Wars I always imagined that Boba Fett was a renegade stormtrooped who became a bounty hunter. As a kid I just thought that their helmets looked similar and the rest of the theory came from there.

When I saw AOTC in theaters for the first time it was so cool to see something similar on screen. Not quite how I imagined it, but closer than anything else in those movies.

C’mon…let’s talk “what could have been…”

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#87250
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Hayden replacing Sebastian Shaw in ROTJ
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/87250/action/topic#87250
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I really don't blame Hayden. I don't think it was his idea. George must have wanted it and so he did it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like that change at all, I just think that the blame is being misplaced. I am more upset that Hayden is playing Darth Vader. He is no where close to the size of David Prowse and so I just think the suit is going to look stupid on his smaller frame.

A scary thought came to me the other day. I realize that for most of us we have a good reason to be pissed off that Sebastian Shaw was replaced by Hayden Christensen at the end of ROTJ. But what about those kids or people that only see the new star wars (prequels and special editions)?

Watching episodes 4-6 without ever having any idea what Anakin Skywalker looked like under that suit made the end of ROTJ a big pay off. We could see the broken and burned man under the mask being the healthy looking force ghost we see later. But if you were to see the prequels first and then seeing the unaltered episodes 4-6 would you wonder who the old guy is that appears next to Yoda and Obi-Wan? I can just imagine some of the younger fans being like "Who's that guy?" And after telling that that is Anakin Skywalker, I hear them saying "That doesn't look like Anakin Skywalker."

I don't know. I am in no way saying that the decision makes sense...just makes me feel bad about those who will grow up with the new Star Wars. They won't experience it the way that rest of us have.

Maybe I'm just being over-dramatic!
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#86794
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New Jedi Order - TV Trailer
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86794/action/topic#86794
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I read awhile back about there being a trailer made for the New Jedi Order series of books. It was voiced-over/narrated by Mark Hamill and aired on the Sci-Fi channel.

Does anyone know where I could download this from?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Mod Edit:

‘Star Wars: Vector Prime - TV Spot Trailer w/ Mark Hamill | Remastered’ - www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVCV552EPGk

^ a 30 second tv advert / trailer. The blurb for the TV advert above is also well worth a read.

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#86714
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Heralds (Heralds of Zildrog book)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86714/action/topic#86714
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George Lucas said in the commentary for TPM that in Ep. 4 the story was told through the eyes of the two droids. Those two doirds would have us meet Luke, who would introduce us to Obi-Wan, and so on. In TPM it is seen through the eyes of the two Jedi. The Jedi intoduce us to Jar Jar, who take us to Theed to meet the Queen, and so on. This just from what Lucas has said in various commentaries for the movies.

I think that if anyone could be called heralds in TPM it would be Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan.
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#86707
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I absolutely hate the "new" ROTJ
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86707/action/topic#86707
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Hail Cador! Welcome to the OT.com!

I agree with you that ROTJ is the weakest of the SE trilogy.

There are so many different opinions on what changes were good and what changes weren't. I personally find the new song at the end of ROTJ very blah. I also don't know how the news of the Emperor's death traveled so fast as to cause dancing in the streets on so many different worlds.

It is because of these changes, good and bad, that I fully support the editing of Star Wars. Since George LUcas was such a pioneer making Star Wars, both times, than I see his blunders as a challenge to the rest of us. It takes some serous work to make it happen, but with all the different versions out there, we can finally have Star Wars just the way that we want it.

Anyways, glad you joined us.
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#86541
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Customized Tins/ Paul Champagne
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/86541/action/topic#86541
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This is the first time I ever read through this entire thread. After seeing Paul's website I can definetly say I am interested.



This one is my favorite. One question though. Can anyone tell me why Luke is holding a red lightsaber?

If this is still in the works put me on the list. I just have to wait until I have some more bills paid off so my wife doesn't get mad at me for spending bill money