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#89414
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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I actually never cared for the pod-racing scene. I thought it was silly, especially considering Anakin's age. That was supposed to establish that Anakin was a good pilot? I don't buy it.

I think they could have done something more believable to show that he was a good pilot. Of course, I find it hard to believe any 9 year old, chosen one or not, would be able to a) win a race against several other cut-throat thugs at death-defying speeds, and b) directly cause the destruction of a major battleship in orbit. The fact that he was able to dodge any of the laser bolts coming him was silly. He was supposed to destroy the ship, and his reaction is "oops!"

C'mon....

If Anakin was older, the story would have been so much better.
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#89219
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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Obi-Wan couldn't defeat Vader with his old saber. Luke couldn't defeat Vader with his old saber. Only Luke by refusing to fight his father could win. I think that an allusion could be made to the fact that the lightsaber is still not the answer, it is still too much of an offesive weapon. Yoda said that Jedi fights in defense, never offense, and it is at the end of ROTJ that we see that proven true.

On the issue of having too many OT characters in the PT, I agree with you.

I think that Fett's history should have been kept a secret.

I don't feel real strongly about the droids being present either way, but I know that I don't like the way their inclusion was explained (i.e.

C-3P0 being created by Anakin).

Luke and Leia are a given as far as I am concerned.

I would like to see Mon Mothma have some role and I would like to see Tarkin.

I think including Chewie was unnecessary, but I can live with it.

I am still waiting to see Bail Organa.

Absolutely no Greedo!

Jabba was completely unnecessary.

I thought Owen and Beru were a nice touch, even though they weren't given enough lines to be substantial.

Coruscant was nice to see, but I agree that Tantooine was unnecessary. I would still like to Alderaan, although I still think that Naboo should have been Alderaan. I would like to see Dagobah and maybe a mysterious world where Anankin goes in search of the secrets of the force. I really don't want to see the Millenium Falcon, Han, or Lando. I think that it would be too much and bring down the story. Besides, Han is only little older than Luke and Leia, so how come he woudl have a cameo and they would just be born?

I don't think it was necessary to know where Anakin was born. He should have simply been introduced during the Clone Wars.
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#88900
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88900/action/topic#88900
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Part of the personality split would probably require Anakin to have blackouts that give him a few minutes to let the Vader personality kick in so that pre-mechanical Vader can go do evil things,


I see that scene between Anakin and the Sandpeople to be an example of the blackouts. Not that I am a big fan of the Lucas Prequels, but that was one scene I liked.
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#88803
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88803/action/topic#88803
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Do you think that Episodes I & II could be condensed into one movie? I think most of the story elements could be condensed to make one solid film, but could the two movies be edited together believably?

What do you all think? I would like to hear about both it from both viewpoints. Looking at it practically, (meaning could the editing actually be done to make it happen), and hypothetically (just the story itself).

Hit me.
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#88742
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STAR WARS: The Torrents thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88742/action/topic#88742
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Allrriiiggghhhtttt!!!! We've got the Laverne & Shirley devotees out in force. Now we can concentrate on the most important torrent of all.

Howard the Duck! Say it with me now!! Go Howard, it's your birthday, go Howard...

I am so tired...

I didn't realize that Lucas was responsible for Laverne & Shirley when I wrote that. I guess the signs were there the whole time though. I mean Laverne & Shirley....L & S....Luke Skywalker....

I need to go to bed.
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#88511
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88511/action/topic#88511
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All right! Now that is what I'm talking about! That whole scene you just described was great. I would really like to hear more detail. Would we learn anything about his past in the movies? What would the Emperor/Palpatine role in the story be?

The whole personality split is something I touched in one of the previous posts. I really like the way you handled that element in your depiction.
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#88483
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88483/action/topic#88483
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I also read the answers in INSIDER 80, so I will try not to think of that when I answer. Judging from the first time I saw The Phantom Menace, I would guess he was about 22. In episode IV I thought he was in his mid-sixties. For the prequels I minagined I would have him be about 30, or early thirties. Old enough to have some real experience and to look old enough to be a teacher. This is also assuming that Anakin is about the same age as Obi-Wan in the Phantom Menace; late teens to early twenties.

I once read that real human life-spans don't correspond to Star Wars. I think it was in an article inside a Insider a while back. Someone wrote in asking how Luke and Han and the rest can be so active for being so old. The guy wrote back something to the effect of look at Ben in episode IV....and then he said that the average life span for a human in Star Wars is between 150-175 years. I think they are just trying to make it possible to keep writing as many books as possible without losng believability
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#88425
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88425/action/topic#88425
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I think what MeBe is saying is if you watch the OT and then when you get to the ROTS in the prequels the movie says there is another Jedi. Because Yoda's death is implied rather than shown, and we know Yoda is alive and well on Dagobah in TESB, than when we hear that there is another Jedi around by the end of ROTS, we don't think Yoda, we wonder who this other Jedi is. It is only hinted that Yoda died at the end of the ROTS, and since we know he is okay, we don't necessarily connect the two.

That's what I got from the OT > PT surprise. If that's not it, then maybe MeBe will explain it for us.
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#88361
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88361/action/topic#88361
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That's a great idea MeBe! But how would we....

I just realized that would be another surprise ruined in the OT. We now know who and what Yoda is (what he looks like). When we first watch TESB we don't know who the crazy little green guy is. Again, I don't like tampering with the OT, but if we changed Obi-Wan's lines in TESB from "Luke, you must go to Dagobah. There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi master who taught me." to "Luke, you must go to Dagobah. There you will learn from the Jedi master who taught me." Luke also whimpers out Yoda's name and that too would have to be edited out.

But, as soon as we see Yoda the gig would be up. At least there would be a surprise in who the Jedi master is.

If we make it so we think that Yoda is dead at the end of ROTS that would a pretty cool intro for Yoda. He's alive!

You have any ideas on how the supposed death of Yoda would play out MeBe?
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#88248
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88248/action/topic#88248
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Yeah! I love this thread! It gets excited about star wars again.

I think that Anakin needs to believe he killed Padme and along with her their children. Then after he falls into the lava pit and is resurrected as Darth Vader, he would be consumed with evil, anger, frustration...on the brink of losing it. During the scene in the med-lab that would explain his bi-polar converstion with Obi-Wan. It would also give a hint to why Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered his father, because the last time he saw him he had become someone/thing else. I just want to stress that.


D. S. are you kidding? I get some of my best ideas when I'm not working
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#88133
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88133/action/topic#88133
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I would agree with you GlopOfGrease except that Obi-Wan basically admits that he lied to Luke in ROTJ. Luke knows that Obi-Wan lied to him even though Obi-Wan tries to disguise it as a "certain point of view." Yoda knows that Vader and Anakin are the same guy...

I suppose you could have Yoda learn the truth, which is something we wouldn't necessarily see in the movie, but he could tell Obi-Wan about it later. Maybe.

I was approaching this question as if the first two movies and the original trilogy don't change. I just want to see what would need to be done in episode III in order to make it continitous. Since Obi-Wan admits that he lied and why, all we need to do is explain that one line "once a pupil of mine." That is the only thing that I can see keeping the ideas that Darth Simon and I put out from being possible.

I agree that Leia's parentage should also be kept a surprise.

I'm still thinking of a way to get wround that one line...

Stay tuned for the next puzzle
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#88109
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Empire of Dreams - what was your imagined Star Wars story...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/88109/action/topic#88109
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Awesome D. S.!

Luke: No, my father didn't fight in the clone wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.
Ben: That's what your father told you. He didn't hold with your father's ideals; thought he shouldn't have gotten involved.
Luke: You fought in the clone wars?
Ben: Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father.
Luke: I wish I would have known him.
Ben: He was a great pilot. I've heard you've become quite a pilot yourself. And he was a good friend. Which reminds me...I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He thought you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool adventure.
Luke: What is it?
Ben: Your father's lightsaber. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. A more elegant weapon for a more civilized age. That was before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Luke: How did my father die?
Ben: Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the emperor hunt down and kill the Jedi. He betrayed and murdered your father.

Sorry if that's not quiet correct, I was writing it from memory. I typed that up to analyze what would episode III would need to be like in order for to be preserve the OT.

Nevermind the fact that Owen never has any disagreement with Anakin that we see in AOTC about being involved in the Clone Wars. Did he even have a choice? He was a Jedi and the war strted around him, what was he supposed to do? Anyway...

THE LIGHTSABER: Apparently Anakin either knew about his children or Ben is a liar. It also calls into question how he got the lightsaber?

Did Anakin give it to him?

Did Anakin tell Obi-Wan to give it to his son when he was old just as he was sacrificing himself for Obi-Wan? I like this idea, but we know that Anakin and Obi-Wan have this incredible duel where Anakin falls into a pit of molten lava. Doesn't sound like any sacrifice to me.

"He wanted you to have this" - did he know Padme was pregnant? If not, than Obi-Wan is a liar. If he did, why doesn't he look for them? Unless he thinks the children died with Padme perhaps? Obi-Wan so non-chalantly tells Luke that he wanted him to have it, but the Jedi Order forbid marrigae and attachments. Did Anakin confide his excitement about being a dad to Obi-Wan? Doesn't make sense.

"Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine" - when did Obi-Wan train Darth Vader? Obi-Wan either didn't know that Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person, or he was a liar.

I don't have a problem with Ben being a liar, I have a problem with not being surprised during TESB when Vader reveals the truth. So for episode IV, we need Obi-Wan to believe he is telling the truth. But how do we explain the end of Episode IV and the the ghost scene in ROTJ. Obi-Wan knew it was him. So, he must know, but we can't. In episode III, we need to have some way of explaining the "Darth Vader, once a pupil of mine" line, and we need to have a scene where it is obvious that Obi-learns the truth, but we don't know what that truth is. For example, Obi-Wan is storming through a star destroyer and takes out many clone troopers. He is attempting to make it to the chamber at the end of the hall where he believes Palpatine is. He makes it in and the camera is pointed towards Obi-Wan but the is a drak figure in front of the camera and we see him without his mask on from behind. Like in TESB. By the time the camera flips towards the dark figure his mask is back in place. We know Obi-Wan learned his identity, but we don't know who it is. Than the lying about the lightsaber could be forgiven because we just think that Obi-Wan is trying to make Anakin in to a better image for Luke than we know he was by the end of ROTS. Since we saw that Obi-Wan saw who Darth Vader was we can take what he says as "once a pupil of mine" as a clue to his identity. We don't have to worry about Luke and Anakin having the same last name if we think that Anakin is dead.
As for the logic of hiding and not changing them....uhh....

It all makes sense except for one thing. The only student we know that Obi-Wan had was Anakin. How do we get past that?

Hit me.

Oh, and what is the thing about Han/Lando/Chewbacca? Is that part of an idea for the prequels? Sorry, I'm lost.

One more thing - about Ben saying "he betrayed and murdered your father." could be explained by showing Darth Vader taking credit for the death anakin, for turning him. During that same scene I described even. Obi-Wan is angry because he basically had to kill Anakin. He tries to get to Palpatine, but finds Vader/Anakin instead. Anakin/Vader has kind of gone mad at this time and starts ranting about how he was responsible for Anakin/his death. How he let the evil free that led to his death. I don't know, what do you gusy think?