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#44877
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GENERAL GRIEVOUS confirmed
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44877/action/topic#44877
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Yes but I'm not talking about space battles, I'm talking about individual character fight scenes. Ones that don't prgress the story in any way. Look at Han and boba in ROTJ, if this was the PT they would of had a huge fight. Not that Boba's death is particularly good in ROTJ, but it certainly would of gone down different in the PT.

And I'm sure we'd have tofind out why Jabba was "da man" and he's do some kindo fo Hutt kung fu

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Originally posted by: motti_soL
not sure that he is an alien, i think that he is just one badass droid/robot/android programmed to perfection...



according to the offical site he is a non-humaniod alien. I'm sure like Vader most of his organics have been lost, but he is a cyborg non-the-less. and apparenly we'll see behind his mask at some point in Ep3.

If you look at his face up close you can see that his eyes are organic with flesh around them.
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#44846
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MORE CHANGES!!! (for the 2004 OT DVD release)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44846/action/topic#44846
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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The ghost of Anakin in the DVD release will be replaced with Hayden Christensen


are you sure of this Rebel?
i find this to be a complete shaft of the original anakin actor...


He'll still be the one in the vader armour, but Hayden will be the ghost (unless GL changes his mind about the changes being made) obi-wana nd Yoda will still be the original ghosts, some plot point in Ep3 which explains the Jedi dissappearing/ghosts will make the age difference in the ghosts clear.

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#44841
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44841/action/topic#44841
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Simply attributing every illogical thing to the force is a copout by lucas IMHO.

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Originally posted by: Warbler


When I first saw ROTJ I thought that Obiwan trained Anakin without Yoda's blessing or knowledge. Ben says he took it upon himself to train Anakin in ROTJ.



Which would of been a lot better.


As for the droid factory. I like it, its one of the few scenes I do like in AOTC, it is pointless action, but its good, and we needed to see Anakin with a saber at some point in the movie showing that he has some skills. Plus I've just always wanted a temple of doom style conveyor belt action scene in SW
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#44548
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44548/action/topic#44548
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
well the movie is called Star Wars, not ObiWan Kenobi.



yes but Obi-wan is one of the two main heros in AOTC. Half the storyline is following his adventure, the primary conflict of which is him trying to find and eventually capture Jango Fett.

"Yes, they would make great sense. Obi-Wan takes down Jango, what seems to be a Jedi Master-like feat, and can't stand more then a minute or so with Dooku. Hmmm, perhaps I guess. "

1) I don't think it would take a jedi master to defeat Jango, he's just a very skilled normal guy with gadgets. Obi-wan would of eventually bested him. He beat maul, are you saying Jango is more powerful then Maul?

2)Well personally I don't think Obi-wan fighting dooku was all that nessesary, I would rather have Obi-wan vs Jango intercut with Anakin fighting Dooku alone. That would of been a much better climax IMHO


"okay well do some people at least agree with my other two problems i posted???
those were the two i thought Lucas should have really looked at the law of physics and human capability."

the wire wrist thing really bugs me as well. I know this is Sw but they should still have some basic sense of reality
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#44547
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GENERAL GRIEVOUS confirmed
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44547/action/topic#44547
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Grievous is not human, but some kind of alien behind that mask, you can see green gooey bits of him inside the armour.

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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
Han didn't have fight scenes, mostly he flew in the Falcon. But he did confront plenty of stormtroopers on the Death Star, he tried to fight Vader at Cloud City, and he beat up on some stormtroopers on Endor. I do agree though he didn't have a traditional fight scene.


thats my point. And if you disclude the duels, of which there is only one in each film all three of which are story/character driven more then action driven, then it would be fair to say there are NO fight scenes in the OT.

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#44419
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44419/action/topic#44419
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Originally posted by: motti_soL
rebel, MOST action sequences in any movie are eye-candy... hence the word action-movie. the fight between jango and obiwan is meant to establish the skills of jango fett and the henceforth the clones. mace windu is stronger in the force and better than obiwan, meaning that it took someone of his standards to best jango.


Yes but other then AOTC I wouldn't consider any of the SW films to be action films. Adventure films yes, but action films no. And regardless of Mace's ability it difused the drama to have him take out Jango, it would be like Captain america showing up at the end of spiderman to kill GreenGoblin.

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#44418
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44418/action/topic#44418
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Rebel Scumb,

I'm curious, what continuity issue with OT are talking about?



Well Ben says he thought he could train Anakin just as well as Yoda, but Yoda himself lost a padawan to the darkside. Its not exactly a continuity error, but its not exactly cohesive IMHO
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#44134
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/44134/action/topic#44134
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but if you look at the Jango fight scene in AOTC, the one on Kaminio. Nothing happens in that fight. Obi-wan fights Jango, its a stalemate, and then Jango flies away. The scene could just as easily have been Obi-wan running out, already too late to catch Jango, and throwing the trackign device onto Slave I.

Sure some people like the scene, I'm not assessing its quality, but the scene does NOT move the story further, the action is all masterbatory.

The asteroid battle is the same way. And I wouldn't midn either if there was some payoff to the whole Jango/Obi-wan storyline, but it gets abandon on Geonosis, and Mace ends up taking out Jango. No pay off. If Jango and obi-wan had rematched in the arena, then it would be the second rematch, and the climax of a story that stretch across the whole film. But such a climax does not exist.

The end duel with Dooku and Yoda has the opposite problem, its all pay off with NO set up. And just like the kaminio rain fight, nothing comes of it. I've done an edit of the movie where Yoda walks in and Dooku immediately uses the force to topple the pillar onto Obi-wan and Anakin, Yoda uses the force to catch it as Dooku escapes. The plot remains completely unaffected, and now as GL would say its faster and more intense.

This is what I think he's getting at with mindless action. These are action scenes for the sake of action scenes. Event he TPM duel is better in that there were perminant results from it, Qui-gon died, Maul died. Obi-wan commited to training Anakin. A lot came out of that duel, plus it was a rematch which added to the drama. But a lot of the AOTC action, and to a lesser extent TPM is just gratitius.

The same thing bugged me in the matrix reloaded. Smith shows up out of nowhere, he and Neo fight for 10 minutes, then Neo flies away, something he could of done in the first place. Then Smith just walks off. Is it a fun sequence? Sure. Did it move the plot forward? no. Hence mindless action.

Where as if you look at ANH or ESb, there's really nothing you could cut out of those movies have them still make sense. Sure the garbage compactor scene could be lost, and maybe the escape fromt he deathstar space battle, but without either the threat of the empire is greatly minimized, and both scenes are embraced pretty much across the board.

ESB is even better, the only scene I can spot that can be cut is the Luke quick chat with the medical droid before the hoth battle begins, and that scene is just there for pacing reasons to put a moment between the scenes that proceeds and follows it.


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I see, Tarkin being in one movie, ANH, is so much more then Dooku. And with that, we learn even less. And as far as Dooku goes period, we do not know how much more will be learned. And I think we learned a good bit about him for the first movie he appeared in, especially compared to Vader's debut in 4.


But Vader and Tarkin are more straightforward characters. They're presented as pure evil and they act accordingly. There's no guess work. Is it less ambitious then Dooku? Of course. But ambition is only a good thing if the end result is good. Dooku was a more complicated character, we weren't suppose to be sure if he was good or evil, or where he fit into the whole scheme of things, but if you have a complex character, you have to develop them. The other thing is its suppose to be up in the air whether he's good or bad, but its so blatantly obvious that he's bad that the effect is lost.

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And here's another thing, hint hint, Dooku being Yoda's padawan was supposed to be a surprise.


I'm sure it was, but honestly who cares? So Yoda trained Dooku, big deal. Since Yoda never even mentioned Dooku up until 5 minutes before this moment, it doesn't really pay off, and if anything it jsut creates a possible continuity issue with the OT.
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#43983
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/43983/action/topic#43983
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Unmasked Vader will still be Sebastion shaw, only the ghost is Hayden. When the whole Jedi ghosts/dissappearing when they die is explained in Ep3 it will contain a bit of info (which I am not provy to) which will explain why Anakin has a young ghost. Likely it will be that he is cliniclly dead before he is revived as Vader.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: Rebel Scumb
I can't say, but I'm not lying.


Sorry but I am going to need a reliable source in order to believe you. Thedigitalbits is a reliable source and theres nothing on such a change at the digital bits.


You don't have to believe me, but its the truth. The Anakins ghost stuff has been more or less spelled out by DarthToeJam at TF.n in the classic trilogy forum, he has connection on the inside which have been confirmed to me. The Palpatine thing in ESB I can't go into detail about how I know this, but it is true, I'm sorry I can't do better then that, you're well within your rights to disregard everything I say.

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#43967
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COUNT DOOKU
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/43967/action/topic#43967
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Originally posted by: HotRod
You just know there's gonna be a scene, where Padme stairs longingly(Sp???) into Leias eyes. Crying as she's dying.....Leia, looking back into her Mothers beutiful sad eyes!! How does the Force theme go?!?!


thats what I've been saying for years, that would be all I need to explain Leia's memory of her mother, then they just have to have Padme die before she gets to hold Luke in the same way.

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#43937
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Banning Jimbo??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/43937/action/topic#43937
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Jimbo is entitled to his opinion, but there's a fine line between playing devil's advocate and being a troll. People who like the SE are welcome here. I'm not going to say you have to sign the petition to post here, but it makes very little sense to do so, and is IMHO a trollish tendency.

Differing opinions are welcome though, they fuel the discussion which is good... IF they are done politely, jimbo you are not particularly polite IMHO, if the language is not cleaned up then I think a banning is in order.