Rattlehead

ratpack1961 said:

As for the topic in general, I think the OP has still not explained why serious preservationists only need apply to his invite.  Also if you look at the topic all caps are used.  This is considered shouting or for when something is "serious business".  Finally, its well known that meeting strangers right off the net can be downright dangerous.  Theres just not enough in the original post as to why this person wants to meet and also his asking literally anyone to reply causes suspicion.  And again why so discriminatory for serious preservationists?  Is there any such thing as a non serious preservationist?  Like a joke preservationist (maybe George Lucas himself fits this)  I think the snarky remarks are a reaction to that.

 

 

No, the snarky remarks are just a symptom of the crass society that we live in and which is just exacerbated by the impersonality and alienation of internet.

Yes, I capitalized and stipulated that I only wanted to meet with serious preservationists because the purpose of the meeting would be to discuss preservation as opposed to just a gathering of forum users to "hang out" which, I agree, would be strange.  Not enough in the original post to explain why I want to meet?  ... to discuss preservation?  You know, you complain that I "shouted" the stipulation about serious preservationists and then you complain that you don't understand the purpose of the meeting!  I'm starting to think that it would still be unclear to many here if I had written a 5000 word post going into minute detail.  Suffice it to say that if you can't figure out the purpose of a meeting of "serious preservationists" then relax because it has nothing to do with you.  Perhaps that's why my title was so blunt, and yet apparently despite all the objections, still not blunt enough.

Yes, meeting strangers from the net can be downright dangerous for children.  Any adult with any common sense at all and the self-preservation instinct that they were born with can handle meeting a stranger in a crowded public place with hyper-security such as Disney World.  I keep forgetting that Americans walk around thinking that they are in a Wes Craven movie.

As I proposed in my previous post let's move on.  Forget the meeting at Disney World.  I've moved on, accross the country.

I think I've explained myself enough, and I'm not going to go into more details here.  Aside from the other reasons not to, this thread has convinced me of the utter futility in discussing anything here.  Anyone with any sense will understand that life happens off-line too and will also understand, or at least imagine the reasons why I may want to discuss this there.  I direct the next statement to such people: anyone interested enough that they think that at some point in the future they may want to meet to learn more (could be tomorrow at NYC Comic-Con or it could be months from now, I don't know), then PM me.

Otherwise, let's let the thread die and keep all communication between interested parties by PM so that we don't upset the non-interested parties who can't resist endlessly picking apart the OP as if it's some sort of document for the ages like the Magna Carta.

Lastly, sorry to hear that Star Tours gets such lousy reviews!  But I'd still like to see it if I could.  And I bet, as outdated as the technology is, we'll be nostalgic for it after Lucas finishes ruining it.

Also, some good ideas were mentioned about an OT.com con.  That would be much more worthwhile going to than the propaganda-fest that is the official cons.  Not only can we have productive exchanges on preservation but we can have a nostalgia celebration for the days when the Holiday Special truly was the most embarrassing Star Wars artifact on film... Now the Prequels in and of themselves, and the sad defaced state of the OT make the Holiday Special look downright respectable, Bea Arthur and all!

A B C said:

This forum is already a great place for meeting between serious preservationists. And the pm box is enough for private discussions. I don't see the use of personal meeting, and all the help I could get here by pm is something I wouldn't have never found on a "StarTour" or so.

... And don't forget: even serious preservationists do HAVE humour and like joking around sometimes, mostly in such a great topic as yours! You'd better accept it.

Otherwise...

 

... The only guy I know named as RattleHead said:

 

 

 

The forum is a great place for finding and communicating with serious preservationists, perhaps, but it's physically impossible to meet them here.  I'm old-fashioned, I like speaking verbally in person.  I do have humor, that's why I suggested the meeting at Star Tours, but everyone missed that because they seem to have imagined me trying to discuss technical details of film preservation while actually on the Star Tours attraction or "next to the teacups" as someone else said.  There's a time for joking and a time for seriousness.  My window for meeting people in that location was only two days, I didn't have time to wade through silliness for days before meeting anyone.

Just saw Megadeth again.  They've still got it after all these years.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Rattlehead said:

With all due respect, I wasn't aware that I had to provide credentials.  I thought that a desire to preserve the OUT would be enough.  Actually, Puggo, you're one person I would like to talk to in particular.

First, I've never been to Star Tours, would love to go someday, and if I went would be more than thrilled to meet anyone and everyone from this forum or elsewhere, regardless of credentials.

But go back and look at your original post, particularly the title.  "SERIOUS preservationists ONLY".  Regardless of what you intended, the content made it sound like you were convening a special summit meeting of the world's top experts for a big project.  It set a very particular tone.  Actually, I was intrigued.  Does he have a 70mm print?  Is he an LFL insider scuttling a hard drive out of Skywalker Ranch?  Is he a 12-year-old kid wanting to get Adywan's autograph?  Is this a sting? Should I give this guy my phone number?

It would be as if some random person (say, "John Smith") went on a rock guitar forum, and posted "GRAMMY WINNING guitarists ONLY", and proposed that the biggest superstars meet with him at the Tapas bar.  The first things anyone on there is going to say is "why are we meeting?" and "who is John Smith?"

Just about everyone on this forum is serious about preserving the original trilogy.  Perhaps if you had just said "hey, I'll be at Star Tours next week and would love to meet up with some of you guys in person... PM me and I'll send you my cell number"... it might have sounded a little less, er, grandiose?

See, this is what I hate about the internet.  Inevitably someone will get all bent out of shape because someone else didn't word something the way he would.  Not that it's wrong, or that he was rude or abusive, but it's just not the way HE would say it.  I said it the way I said it and it did get your attention so it was at least partially successful!  LOL!

Besides, you have no idea what kind of project I may be involved in and I won't discuss it on public internet forums for precicely this kind of absurdist comedy act that results when every word you type goes under the microscope, plus I have people reading my posts from five years ago (!), and for other reasons you mentioned.  This all because people weren't comfortable with "the way I worded my post."  Shit!  Imagine I said something of any substance!  Imagine the uproar then!  Serious business is done face to face, not on public internet forums.  And the first time I meet anyone I'm not giving any details.  I deal with people I trust and I can't trust anyone who I haven't met face-to-face.

"Grammy winning guitarists" is not a good analogy.  A grammy is a credential and an achievement, I didn't ask for any credential but your intent (serious).

I want to preface the next statement thus: don't get me wrong, looking at the work that has been done by people on this board, I have been often not just impressed but literally floored by the results.  Having said that, I think we all agree that up until now we were all working with material with quite limited potential (which often makes the results just that much more impressive in the sense of seeming impossible, but still doesn't improve our overall situation).  But in the grand scheme of OUT preservation, we've basically got the GOUT and attempts to improve on it or it's source, and reverse-engineered reconstructions of the OUT using the 2004 cut HD broadcast and elements of said GOUT or it's source.  I don't consider those to be the actual OUT, but a simulation or approximation of the actual OUT.  So perhaps it's time for some grandiosity, as long as it's productive.

Bottom line: after many years of helplessly watching Lucas shit all over his own legacy, and admiring the work I've seen here, I have something to offer.  I'll share those details with those that I trust and take into confidence and work with at a later date.  I had literally a few minutes to make that post and I didn't put the amount of thought into it that it appears many here did.  It got your attention, so let's be adults about the fact that such communications were never meant to be obsessed over and dissected ad-nauseum for all eternity the way the internet tempts so many to.  Let's move on.

The fallout over my imperfectly-worded post just further convinces me that it's a bad idea to discuss anything of substance on this or any public internet forum.  If you are serious about SW OUT preservation and can spare a few minutes then you can choose to meet me sometime so you can judge for yourself if I'm a kook or not.  Considering I'll never suggest a meeting that's not in a safe public space, what have you got to lose but a few minutes?  To anyone who isn't satisfied with this, then fine forget about it but be mature enough to just walk away and leave the thread to people who are actually interested in the topic and not your "clever" remarks.  Fair enough?

none said:

Rattlehead wrote:

Isn't it rather silly that you searched my posts from 5 years ago rather than just decide to meet in a public place or not?  What was I going to do, rape or kill you on Star Tours?

It is not silly to research.  You can learn from what people have previously posted. 

It's my time, if doing a few quick searches provides information not to meet someone, that's the way it's going to be.

You've come in here looking for stuff.  Five years ago, you wanted people to tell you about the latest fan preservation, five years later it's people to hang out with you.

There might be a silver lining or some value in the end, but right now it's completely hidden behind rape and killing jokes.  yikes.

Five years ago I wouldn't have called myself a preservationist but those who were had created fan preservations... I wanted to obtain them.  What's strange about that?  And you use the term "hang out," but my phrase "serious preservationists only" that has drawn such ire here was meant to imply that this meeting would have a distinct purpose identical to that of this forum.  Yeah, if I had actually said, "Hey let's hang out!"  Yeah, that would have been weird.  But what I said to distinguish my intent from that caused such backlash.  I can't win.  I think people all over the internet need to relax and not be so quick to jump down everyone's throats.  And my comment in my last reply to you was meant to put the situation in perspective.  I invited people to a group meeting in a crowded public place crawling with security guards, not a single person to a meeting in a dark alley.  This isn't a horror movie, it's real life.  Relax.

adywan said:

Rattlehead, the one thing you have to understand is that the internet is full of nutters and we have had a lot of them come in here from time to time. And when someone who people know nothing about suddenly wants to meet up with people then suspicions are raised. There are some very strange star wars fans out there that . I have personally received death threats from some fans because i dared to meddle with George's creations And when you said in your first post that you would only talk about things in person and wanted peoples personal phone numbers you have to admit it did sound a little odd. We are in a forum after all so couldn't you have started talking about things in here first before asking for personal things like this? It would have come across a lot better.

Sorry Andywan.  I've been overseas for a while and I forgot how paranoid Americans can be.  I see your point, but I've also been too busy for bulletin boards (not just this one, but in general) for several years and forgot just how microscopic the scrutiny of every word of a post gets.  I just don't have the time or desire to scrutinize the tone and wording of every post the way some people do here (or on boards in general).  I guess my thinking is still in European mode and an invitation to a very public and crowded place where no one is possibly going to come to any harm didn't strike me as weird or creepy or anything, and a request for a mobile number to facilitate said meeting also didn't strike me as strange.  As far as only talking about things in person... refer again to what I just said about scrutiny.

TV's Frink said:

Rattlehead said:

Due to the silliness in a previous thread I see that there's no way that I can word this without people with nothing better to do picking it apart and turning it into a circus so I'll just say it as simply as I can:

I'm interested in meeting and chatting with SW preservationists who may be at Comic-Con on Saturday the 9th.

I've never had the opportunity to do any preservation work before now and therefore didn't spend a lot of time on these boards, so I don't have thousands of posts and have no credentials to show anyone (not like any standard for such credentials even exists).  If there is anyone here who is serious about preserving the OUT and is also mature enough to not ask to see my Star Wars Preservation University diploma before you chat with me for 5 minutes while we grab a bite at the concession at Comic-Con, and who can look at it in a "All I have to lose is 5 minutes talking with a fellow SW fan" perspective then let's meet up. So, honestly, people we're all adults and we all want the same thing (preservation of the OUT).  If you want to meet and talk with fellow fans who are also interested in preservation then let's either make arrangements to meet there (if you are already planning to attend) or not.  But let's skip the asinine comments this time around.  PM me if you'll be at the con.

Fixed.

See, I was going to stay out of this thread, because at least the thread title is perfectly reasonable.   But you've replaced the odd statements in your other thread with whiny statements in this one.

Hope this helps for your next OP.

Thank you for "fixing" my post without invitation, or rather against my polite request to keep your genius to yourself.  As long as nitpicking my post made you feel better Frink, that's all that matters to me.  In the future should I send all OP's to you first to make sure they meet with your approval before I post them on the boards?  Or maybe I should play it safe and run ALL my posts by you first?  It would help someone like me to have your superior intellect to guide me, thus sparing all others here from seeing my non-Frink-approved posts.

I'd say I'll see ya around but that would require that you leave the chair in front of your computer where you are magically superior to everyone on Earth.  After all, we can all feel god-like while using the strikethrough command although exercising no actual authority, and be outrageously obnoxious and rude when we live entirely online safe behind our keyboards where we, as a general rule, can't get our teeth knocked out!  :-)  I choose to live in reality.  You can join the rest of us one day if you learn enough manners to keep yourself alive out there in the big scary real world.  Until then, please be quiet while the adults are talking.

Due to the silliness in a previous thread I see that there’s no way that I can word this without people with nothing better to do picking it apart and turning it into a circus so I’ll just say it as simply as I can:

I’m interested in meeting and chatting with SW preservationists who may be at Comic-Con on Saturday the 9th.

I’ve never had the opportunity to do any preservation work before now and therefore didn’t spend a lot of time on these boards, so I don’t have thousands of posts and have no credentials to show anyone (not like any standard for such credentials even exists).  If there is anyone here who is serious about preserving the OUT and is also mature enough to not ask to see my Star Wars Preservation University diploma before you chat with me for 5 minutes while we grab a bite at the concession at Comic-Con, and who can look at it in a “All I have to lose is 5 minutes talking with a fellow SW fan” perspective then let’s meet up. So, honestly, people we’re all adults and we all want the same thing (preservation of the OUT).  If you want to meet and talk with fellow fans who are also interested in preservation then let’s either make arrangements to meet there (if you are already planning to attend) or not.  But let’s skip the asinine comments this time around.  PM me if you’ll be at the con.

none said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda wrote:

With all due respect, you have yet to provide a single reason why we should be rushing to meet you.

One thing going for Rattlehead is the 2004 join date.  But going against are multiple posts, looking for stuff.  (the OT.com old post pruning limits what we can remember about this user)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Havent-been-here-in-a-while-and-just-need-an-update/topic/1827/

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic-print.cfm/How-many-bootleg-DVD-sets-are-there-that-are-worth-talking-about/topic/1210/

It's a crap shoot.  Strong personalities could lead to results, but some posting finesse might have made this thread already old news.  Odd to meet at the most expensive place on earth.

"I've just outed myself as a Star Wars Preservationist,

I'm going to Disneywo... hey who are you, you want what?!"

Isn't it rather silly that you searched my posts from 5 years ago rather than just decide to meet in a public place or not?  What was I going to do, rape or kill you on Star Tours?

Tobar said:

I was told by an employee there that was to be closed in november but looking around apparently it was closed September 7th.

That sucks.  Typical.  Thanks for the info!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Rattlehead said:

Out of ten replies there was, what, one serious one?

With all due respect, you have yet to provide a single reason why we should be rushing to meet you.

With all due respect, I wasn't aware that I had to provide credentials.  I thought that a desire to preserve the OUT would be enough.  Actually, Puggo, you're one person I would like to talk to in particular.  It's late right now and I need sleep but I'll talk to you soon.

Sorry if I haven't been posting here continuously for the past few years but I haven't had the time to spend on this website in a long time and didn't have any opportunities to do any preservation work until now anyway.  It would be nice if people didn't receive my friendly invitation for a chat about a topic of mutual interest with such suspicion, derision and sarcasm.  If you feel you need some compelling reason from me before you can meet me as Puggo inferred then, fine don't meet, but there's really no call for turning my thread into a three-ring circus.  Why does everyone feel such an irresistible urge to make clever comments on the internet about something that doesn't involve them?  And if you don't want to accept my invitation then it doesn't concern you.  Let's be civil here. 

And no, Frink, I'm not a cop.  Are you?  I don't work for Lucas.  And I wasn't asking for it.  I simply posted a brief message with an offer to like-minded individuals.  I'm sorry that I didn't word it in a way that made you more comfortable but I didn't have all day to make it sound snappy.  And why is it creepy to invite people to discuss a topic of mutual interest face-to-face?  Are you that alienated behind your keyboard that an offer of actual human interaction strikes you as "creepy?"  Are book clubs and non-profit groups also creepy to you?  Maybe you need to get out more.  I'm not trying to stir anything up, but really, people used to talk about important things in person before the internet existed. There's nothing strange about it.

I suggested Star Tours because I've never been there and it seemed appropriate since we are talking about STAR WARS.  But I guess that's a tenuous link at best and only exists in my crazy mind.  Sorry about that. 

Moderators: I think the thread can be closed, it's a moot point now anyway.  But for the future I would hope people have more manners.  If someone offers something to me which I don't want, whether it be a meeting, ice cream, marijuana or whatever the case may be, I politely decline it, I don't ridicule them.

It's still working until sometime in November?!  Really?  Shit, I should have gone there.  I'm probably the only person on this forum who never made it to Star Tours.  I'll have to check Disney's website when I get the chance.  If you have any info, please link me.  And nice avatar BTW!

CompMovieGuy said:

Rattlehead said:

Star Tours closed?!  That sucks!  I didn't hear about it.  Why did it close?  Are there plans to re-open it after maintenance or something?  Or is Lucas going to SE and Prequelify it?  :-(  Time to start the Star Tours preservation efforts!

Its closed, ST 2 is coming, it will be SE'd, preservation is made

 

 As 3PO would say, "How typical."

Out of ten replies there was, what, one serious one?  This is what I meant.  I'm not looking to waste time on forum banter, I actually want to talk to other preservationists in person.  And this is the place to find them, no?

Star Tours closed?!  That sucks!  I didn't hear about it.  Why did it close?  Are there plans to re-open it after maintenance or something?  Or is Lucas going to SE and Prequelify it?  :-(  Time to start the Star Tours preservation efforts!

Seriously, I guess I won't be meeting anyone on this trip, but if you are serious about preserving the OUT then contact me BY PM and a group of us can get together, and meet in the most convenient place for all, sometime in the near future.

Are there any serious SW preservationists living in FL?  Especially anyone who has been involved with any of the many excellent efforts that have been talked about on these boards?  Many of these projects have impressed me immensely with the excellent results coming from only commercially available materials.  There is a lot of talent here.  Imagine what could be done with proper source materials.  The sky is the limit.  I will be in this area for the next two days and would love to meet with any of you who are serious about preserving the OUT.  Perhaps we could meet at Star Tours or something, have a bite, and discuss current preservation efforts and future possibilities – SERIOUS and unprecedented possibilities.  I’ll only talk about it in person, so please send me a PM with your phone number so we can arrange a meeting.  I’ll check my messages tomorrow.

What about "Droid World" or "Planet of the Hoojibs?"  Anyone have these two either?  These were book & cassette sets from the early 80's.  They were both based on stories from the Marvel Comics SW series.

"We Don't Do Weddings..." and "Nightlily..." were cassettes (at least Nightlily may have been available as a CD, but I don't know about the first one) from the late 90's based on short stories in "Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina" book.

As far as "The Mixed-Up Droid" goes, I don't know much about it except that it is a childrens' story.  It was released in the 90's but I think that was a reissue and it was really originally from the 80's.

Also, a question about the "Rebel Mission to Ord Mantell" audio drama described here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rebel_Mission_to_Ord_Mantell

The above link shows a scan of what appears to be the tray inlay from a CD jewel case as the "back cover."  But as it was published by Buena Vista Records in 1983 I highly doubt that it was ever released on CD and that therefore that inlay scan must be a fan-made item made using the back of the record packaging which may have been a book, but I don't know for sure because there are no scans of book pages here: http://www.theforce.net/timetales/misc/arcana/arcana-1983.asp

In fact, for the back image theforce.net has the same apparently fan-made CD case inlay that the wookieepedia article has.  I suspect it is a book and record or cassette set like "Droid World" and "Planet of the Hoojibs." But info on this item is scant online, any help would be appreciated.

Does anyone have these?  Here’s more info on them:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/We_Don%27t_Do_Weddings:The_Band%27s_Tale%28audio%29

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nightlily:The_Lovers%27_Tale%28audio%29

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Mixed-Up_Droid

I wasn't aware that any full prints were struck in 16mm!  Anyone know anything else about this item?