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#177923
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Why is Leia a princess?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177923/action/topic#177923
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Now, this brings an interesting thing to mind... didn't you guys noticed how well Luke took the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi - his mentor - the person he knew from the childhood, a strong link to his home planet - died from the hand of Darth Vader? Instead of saying in anger "this one is for Ben!" when he blasts a TIE Fighter, we hear only cries of joy "Haha! I got one!" (fortunately not "yippie!" or "oops!" ).
Ditto for the return from the Death Star trench run - not even one tear is shed for Biggs, his long-time childhood friend, another strong link to his home planet...


C'mon guys, this is an action movie aimed for young generation, not "Schindler's list"! Things come and go fast, ANH is the most "western-like" movie of all SW movies, somewhat closest to old-school classic sci-fi - it was in later movies (e.g. my fav ESB) where everything became more serious, meaningful, mature.
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#177758
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"Rise, Lord Vader!" - my vision of ROTS
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/177758/action/topic#177758
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Hi guys! I'm lying in bed with a nasty stomach ache, light fever causes my thoughts to fly to an fro... Suddanly I started to think about SW, even though I promised myself to rest from it for a longer time (that's why I rarely visit this forum now). Again I re-thought my views on EIII - ROTS, and the surge of thoughts was so strong, that I need to share them with somebody.

This is not one of Rebel Scumb's scripts - I feel like [censored] today, so I'm writing in a hurry. I apologize for a rough style and misspelings.

I will not cover the whole movie here, but some of its most dramatic moments.

PLEASE NOTE: this thread is aimed for the die-hard original Trilogy fans like me. Easy-going Lucas' fans who blindly buy any product with STAR WARS logo on it "because it's Star Wars!" - please do not bash me. PT fans, who actually like PT because of conscious choice - you may or may not like my post. You've been warned

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So Padme arrives and talks to Anakin. When he spots Obi, who starts another lecture, he goes mad with jealousy. He tolds her that he sacrificed everything he believed in to save her, yet she "betrayed" him with Obi-Wan. He Force Chokes her like in the movie.

...and here we go, Obi fights Annie on some remote vulcanic planet. We need to change fight choreographer - stunt coordinator (or whaddyacallit), the combat sucked. Too much Far Eastern "show-off" (ya know, crouching tiger, hidden dragon), I want to promptly shoot such "fancy" fighter, just like Indiana did once I know that SW took a lot from Japanese and other Asian cultures (e.g. the word "Jedi" comes from "Sengoku Jidai" [sp?] ), I don't want to remove such elements from the movies (after all I love the kabuto style Vader's helmet etc., Imperial officers hats from IJNavy etc.), but as a European I want more "knightly" style, period. Use less lava in the background - d*mmit, this is not "Mortal Kombat" where you kill opponent using traps! Use more Force Throw, let them throw stuff at each other in anger. Make Anakin fight dirty near the end - remember Luke's not-so-fair-play kicks? also remember that Vader fist plays with his son using saber in one hand, but in the end he slashes it double-handed in anger?

Finally they fight near deep "pit" with lava on the very bottom, which has another "level" (catwalk?) below the top surrounding surface. Anakin uses his all skill and hatred, he kicks (possibly also wounds with saber?) Obi, who falls to the lower level of the pit. Obi's saber is thrown out of his hand. Annie decides to finish him (maybe Obi tried to speak to him for the last time?) and jumps down to that "catwalk" where Obi lies. Suddenly Obi uses the Force to grab his saber and dismembers Annie, who falls down to the lava. He may even try to grab him instinctively, reaching his hand as crying "Annie!" He sees that Annie's limbs have fallen into the lava. Obi realizes his friend is gone: "I loved you like a brother... may you find peace now... old friend...". The scene ends like in the movie: Obi takes Padme to safety, Palpie feels that his pupil is in danger. He finds him alive on the pit bottom - just like we saw Annie burning alive on the lava "lake" bank, climbing up with his metallic hand.

What do we get by that? = Obi doesn't leave his old friend for a certain death in incredible pain - in the real movie he should have killed him out of mercy In my version there's no "weak" Obi, not having the guts to finish the agony of his fav pupil.

The scene where he is "rescued" in the med center also needs fixing. PG-13 wouldn't probably allow for this, but I'd like to see more pain - the scene of donning the armor should be partially like a torture. Quick shots of medical instruments (blades, needles) being stuck in the charred flesh of Anakin, who is "revived" with electric shots. The mask shot was perfect - leave it as it is.
"Raise, Lord Vader" says slowly Palpie, enjoying every word. With his hand gesture the bed goes to vertical position. Vader breathes heavily (what we saw on the movie).

NOTE: after offing Mace, while "initiating" Annakin, Palpie could have only whispered his new name to him (we can guess it by his mouth motion) - this way "Darth Vader" would be uttered for the first time only when Annie is finally in his famous suit!

- Where... Where is she? --- says Vader with incertainty... fear maybe? His first word is uttered with difficulty
- Oh, I'm afraid your beloved one is no longer with us... you killed her. ---- says Palpie with feign sorrow ("I'm afraid the shield will be operational...")
- No... It cannot be... --- Vader slowly gets angry, fears the truth
- Search your feelings... you know that to be true --- Palpie repeats Vader's line from ESB
- (slowly) What've I... (gets angry) no! It's all your fault! You made me to do it! --- Vader looses control and stares at Palpie
- Oh, did I order you to choke her using the Force? ...You did it yourself! --- Palpie says that with irony, barely hiding his smile... evil b*stard
- No! ...Nnnooo! - shouts Vader. Contrary to what we get in the movie ("Nnnnooo! My kitten was hit by a car!") he cries that with anger ("I'm gonna kill you, you SOB!")
Vader forcibly frees himself from the binds and demolishes the room with the Force (much more intensively than in the movie) - he stares at Palpie, trying to Force choke him! (raised hand gesture). Palpie laughs with his evil creaky laugh He "silences" Vader with a "mild" Force Lightning. Vader cries in anguish (JEJ's "oouuahh!' from ESB ) momentarily stepping back and resting himself on the standing bed.
- (with hatred) You think that such youngster can take a Sith Master by himself? That armor won't help you for long... (seductively) if you want to live, I can teach you how to embrace the Dark Side, which will make you stronger... join me, it's the only way! --- said with evil smile and glowing eyes
Vader hestitates for a second, looking elsewhere... but then he nods his head (as if in resignation) and says in emotionless JEJ's voice: "Yes... Master...". (does he yeld to Emperor? is he obedient like a robot now? or maybe he... lies?)
- Good... Good! --- smiles content Palpie
Quick shot on Vader's hand, he clenches a fist in hopeless anger... (ie: if only I could get you, you old b*stard!). Slow fade-to-black (not an MTV cut like in the actual movie), with "Darth Vader's Death" motif (only last notes, which sound like a grim lullaby).


What do we get by this = Vader has reason to live - in the movie he destroyed all he believed in and later killed the person, for which he commited that crime, so why would he want to live anymore? Why would he listen to Palpie for so many years? Because Dark Side is cool? "I'm a bad*ss mofo"? Nonsense. In my version Vader has to listen to Palpie, because otherwise he may die from his wounds - and his secret plan is to take revenge and kill that old wizard When he learns he has a son, he resumes that plot "now I have an ally to overthrow the Emperor".
Makes sense?




Phew, I had to vent it from me, it was in my mind ever since I left the cinema after ROTS premiere
Post
#171701
Topic
StarWars: Empire at War PC game demo out!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/171701/action/topic#171701
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Thanks for the info, Master Sifo-Dyas. I must say I'm observing this game for some time now, despite me taking recently a brake from Star Wars Some features looked interesting on its website/trailer video. However I'm overly cautious when it comes to strategy games made by Lucasarts (wasted my $ on Forced Commander, Rebellion/Supremacy and Galactic Battlegrounds were playable, but also partially disappointing to me) or recent LEC games in general... so maybe I should try the demo first.

I'd like to make few general comments about strategy games and SW universum.
For example part of my gripes about Rebellion was related to game scope. Knowing few Massive Multiplayer Online Games (e.g.: such as German OGame.de or Polish Kolony.net - which was originally written by my friend on Atari, back in ancient times ) the biggest set of 200 planets to conquer in the galaxy (see "Rebellion") is not big enough for me...
Skyman made an interesting point about balancing: I too find it somewhat silly that Rebel units are almost a mirror copy of Imperial ones. E.g Rebels also have heavy artillery and powerful armor etc. (see "Force Commander" and so on). They just come in different uniform colors
Ideal SW-based strategy game should have gameplay completely different for Rebel and Imperial forces. Both on the strategic (campaign) and tactical (battle) level. Empire should start with zillions of planets, but guarding it would require tons of troops and ships etc., which would make it difficult to react quickly to events (preparing an attack should take a lot of time). Empire would have access to large resources, but e.g. propaganda - maintaining loyality of the controlled planets (see "Rebellion") - would be very expensive, but not very efficient.
On the other hand, Rebellion would start in small numbers, spread across the galaxy, with their resources limited. However they'd be hard to be detected ( = destroyed) and their informational campaigns should have huge impact on planets' morale ("words of freedom spreading like a virus"). Rebels would have no access to the largest of weapons in the space arsenal, but their highly trained and motivated soldiers would have an edge over Imperials by having a chance to act quickly and catch the enemy "with their pants down".
Rebels would also have better (and cheaper!) access to hired informants and saboteurs, maybe they could also sway local pirate bands to their side (but what Admiral Ackbar would say about it? ).
Resource system should include regular convoys of freighters (no need to micromanage - these could be handled by AI - besides, remember the game "Stars!"?). The Empire's war industry and commerce would be dependant on those convoys (such as British Empire 65 years ago ) and Rebellon would have a chance to easily make a decent blow by interdicting Imperial supply lanes (or capturing supply ships!).

...too bad that LEC would probably have no interest in creating such complex and intelligent game (their games are getting simplified in the recent years...). I once imagined this could be made "by SW fans for SW fans", such as other Massive Multiplayer Online Games (see: Star Wars Combine). But I have long lost the will/patience/time to lead such project
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#170248
Topic
Jokes thread : Reloaded
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170248/action/topic#170248
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Learn Chinese in 5 minutes! Think about your future
(read them aloud):

1) That's not right ................................. Sum Ting Wong
2) Are you harboring a fugitive?............. Hu Yu Hai Din
3) See me ASAP..................................... Kum Hia Nao
4) Stupid Man ....................................... Dum Fuk
5) Small Horse ...................................... Tai Ni Po Ni
6) Did you go to the beach? .................. Wai Yu So Tan
7) I bumped into a coffee table ............. Ai Bang Mai Fa Kin Ni
8) I think you need a face lift .................Chin Tu Fat
9) It's very dark in here ........................ Wao So Dim
10) I thought you were on a diet .......... Wai Yu Mun Ching?
11) This is a tow away zone .................. No Pah Kin
12) Our meeting is scheduled for next week ... Whan Yu Kum Nao?
13) Staying out of sight .......................... Lei Ying Lo
14) He's cleaning his automobile ............ Wa Shing Ka
15) Your body odor is offensive .............. Yu Stin Ki Pu
16) Great ............................................... Fa Kin Su Pah
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#163495
Topic
I dub this ship: HIMS PHALLIC COMPENSATOR.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163495/action/topic#163495
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ROTFL! Pathetic! It still has that bridge superstructure, even though this sole element is as big as SSD-class
(And I thought that SSD was - in a way - an overkill)
They should call it "Big Bad Mofo-class Star Destroyer" or "Ultimate Geek Dream-class Star Destroyer". I'd call it "George Shove It Up Your-class Star Destroyer"
And please, PLEASE, give it a sticker on the back "We brake for nobody"

Doh, pop culture cares only about quantity, not quality....
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#152504
Topic
Original Trilogy Usermap
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152504/action/topic#152504
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Why? Would anyone use it to bomb me?

* Calling the Russian War Minister, with a phone book on his hand *

"Hi, is this the russian war minister? Cool, listen, I need you to aim all of your nuclear warheads at the following location......"

Haha, it's all so funny... but you know what, Ric? I'm pretty sure that both NATO/USSR ICBMs were/are aimed at my city... after all it's an important port, where opposing forces could make a bridgehead (and I've already seen unloaded UN vehicles going South to Balkans during the war in former Yugoslavia). No matter what were the beliefs of our population, NATO had to target this potential site in Warsaw Pact country. And today, when Poland is semi-openly called "a threat" by Russia, you think they wouldn't try to "turn off" our shipyard facilities in nukyular attack if the war breaks out? (God forbid! )

I'm telling you, it's a real "luck" to be in the middle of that ****** Europe...

But at least I have post-WW2 German bunker about 5 min. of (fast) walk from here...
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#152226
Topic
Violence
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152226/action/topic#152226
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Please accept my heartfelt condolences, Ric... I'm very sorry to hear that story of outrageous and wanton violence...
Isn't it bizzare it occurred on All Souls' Day?...
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Do you guys still belive we have any hope?

Yes ...and no. There always be good people... but the same is true for bad ones.
Some idealists believe that "human race is eventually going to become so civilized and advanced that it will root out all bad emotions, behavior etc.". Do not follow that folly. Look in the past. Did anything change over the millennia? Farmers were stabbed back in ancient Egypt or Rome, in medieval Europe and so they are today... The only things that change are the weapons.
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#151701
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*URGENT!* Anyone has the "New Essential Guide to Vehicles"?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151701/action/topic#151701
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Have no fear, RRS-1980 is here to help!

Ahh... Dark Forces... Kyle Katarn... good old times when LucasArts was making classic PC games, not some console shooters for kids... well, I shouldn't be surprised given the audience the prequels are aimed to...

Back on topic

Here's some Jerk's ....oops! I mean -Jerec's- flagship data:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#vengeance

It seems that my "The Essential Guide to..." is also outdated and the only thing I could find comes from these websites:

www.starwars.pl
...quotes some RPG-game data from Wizards of the Coast (links leading to articles - dead?)

"Moldy Crow"
Manufacturer's designation: HWK-290
Class: Courier / Light Freighter
Length: 29 m
Crew: 1 to 2
Passengers: 6
Cargo Capacity: 150 metric tons
Hyperdrive multiplier: x2
Speed - Space: 6
Speed - Atmosphere: 330; 950km/h
Weapons:
1 Double Laser Cannon
Fire Arc: turret
Space Range: 1-3/12/25
Amosphere Range: 100-300/1.2/2.5 km

Sluis Van
..gives info for standard (unmodified) CEC HWK-290
Manufacturer: Corellian Engineering Corporation
Speed: 60 MGLT (6)
Hull: 55 RU
Shields: 50 SBD
Price: 60 000c (for used one)

Sorry, no blueprints found.