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#610883
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The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie"
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Father Skywalker said:

you are very nostaglic about the good ol days of the originals trilogy; however, in my opinion, neither trilogy is all that good on its own

Star Wars was nominated for 10 Academy Awards in 1977, including Best Picture.  It is perennially listed among the top 15 films of all time by the AFI.  Personal preferences aside, by any objective measure there is no comparing the quality and relative impact of the OT versus the PT.

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#610881
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The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie"
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Father Skywalker said:

Let me ask you one question... Would U be fine with Hay Chris if he wsa given a better dialogue script and Anakin Skywalker was given a better personality like was stated during/in the original trilogy???? I would!!!!

If you mean would I be fine with inserting him into ESB, my answer would still be no.  If you mean would I be ok with him having been cast in episodes 2 and 3, my answer would be probably - I'd have to see it.  The stories were still a mess.

Note that I wouldn't be so adamantly against the changes to the OT if the original theatrical Academy Award winning versions were also properly restored and made available.  In the absence of proper restorations, the modified ("SE") versions just serve to remind us how three classic movies have been uniquely abused and neglected, and yes, surpressed.

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#610871
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The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie"
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Father Skywalker said:

Darth Vader was once a handsome, long-dark-haired man, and that sounds pretty kickass and awesome in my opinion......

The story as portrayed in the OT is:  Anakin was a great Jedi, a kind and trusted friend, who was lured by the dark side and sadly became the cold-hearted villain named Vader.

The story as realized in the PT is:  Anakin was a whiny, egotistical, immature, narcistic, moral-less untrustworthy jerk, who became a seriously badass dude in a cape and mask named Vader who can strangle people with the force.  Frankly, I might even trust Vader more than Hayden.

I personally prefer the first version.  That's why I don't care to see Hayden in ESB, ROTJ, SW, ANH, or anywhere else in the OT.  Sebastian Shaw's Anakin was a kind and trusted friend.  Hayden's Anakin was a twit.

(that's not a knock on Hayden - he is capable of good acting)

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#610865
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The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie"
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Father Skywalker said:

Why do you cringe when you imagine the face of Hayden Christensen in the original trilogy??? His acting is totally irrelevant to his looks..... Also, did you read my very long post about that???

In my opinion, you people are all very biased against the prequels because you are very nostaglic about the good ol days of the originals trilogy; however, in my opinion, neither trilogy is all that good on its own, but when combined together, the star wars saga and series is awesome and it's is my favorite science fiction/sci-fi story of all time!!!!

Ok, you are indeed entitled to that opinion.

My opinion is that the original trilogy are three all-time classic movies. The prequels are mildly entertaining weak movies.  Diluting the former in deference to the latter does nothing but make great movies less than great. I also object to changing classic movies decades later, on general artistic cultural grounds.

You could make a fan edit of ESB to achieve what you envision.

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#610850
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The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie"
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Father Skywalker said:

I don't understand why people hate me,

Nobody here hates you.  If you take a closer look at the posts directed at you, you'll probably find that most of them are primarily meant to be funny (or informative). There are a lot of different viewpoints here.  We rib each other a lot.  Your views are on one extreme of the spectrum here, so you are likely to get ribbed more.  If you don't mind the give and take of some enthusiastic ribbing, you'll enjoy it here, and maybe even learn some things along the way.  I have.

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#610843
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When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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Father Skywalker said:

Ok, now I kinda understand it. ""Star Wars" is another name/word for star wars episode 4-a new hope; being that it was originally intended to be one movie, rather than an entire saga and series, the first one got the nickname "star wars", and just "star wars"......

When "Star Wars" came out in 1977, there were no episodes.  The name of the movie was simply "Star Wars".  That was the title of the movie in the print, on the credits, in the opening crawl, all promotional material, all trailers, placards, reviews, toys, ... everything.  There was never an "Episode 4 A New Hope" until after ESB came out, several years later.  "Star Wars" is not a nickname, it was the name of the movie when it was released, and was that way for several years thereafter.  There do not exist prints prior to ESB that say anything but "Star Wars".

Whether George intended in 1977 for it to be part of a saga is another discussion.

The movie today is sometimes abbreviated SW, sometimes ANH.  But to say that there isn't (or wasn't) a movie called Star Wars is simply not true.

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#610820
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When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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Father Skywalker said:

I aint trolling.....

"Star Wars" is the name of a great movie that came out in 1977.  A series of altered versions of the same movie started appearing years later under a different name.  This is easily verified by a mountain of historic artifacts.  The primary purpose of this forum is to support efforts to preserve the original 1977 movie.  Saying that it doesn't exist is thus anathema to posting here.

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#610601
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Since when did ROTJ become less highly regarded than even Episodes II or III?
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But I could see it more effective if the Emperor was describing his plot to someone else, or out loud to hiimself while meditating, and then doing his sinister smiling while Luke was falling into it.  Maybe getting so pleased that he starts uttering "good, good", maybe with Luke noticing... so Luke discovers on his own (or because of his Yoda training) that he is falling into the dark side, the Emperor's plot would have failed through Luke's ingenuity and maturity.  As it is, it is hard for me to believe that if my enemy kept telling me what I was doing wrong, that I'd keep doing it.

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#610575
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Since when did ROTJ become less highly regarded than even Episodes II or III?
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To me, the biggest problem with ROTJ is the gargantuan plot holes.  In particular, the rescue plan is incomprehensible, and the emperor's plan to turn Luke makes little sense (particularly since he is telling Luke his plan).

However, it is still a really fun movie and the two new characters (Jabba and the Emperor) steal every scene they are in.  The climactic scene with Vader (sans "no") is terrifically done.  The ewoks are fine - there could certainly be creatures like that on some alien world.  I still think it's an excellent movie despite the flaws... given the direction ESB took the "saga", ROTJ was an almost perfect wrap-up IMHO.

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#610276
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Since when did ROTJ become less highly regarded than even Episodes II or III?
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SpilkaBilka said:

Am I the only one who thinks ROTS is actually even more horrible than AOTC?

No!  I agree with you.  In my opinion, each successive prequel kept getting worse.  Here is my literary synopsis:

TPM has two things going for it:  (1) badass choral music over the climactic lightsaber duel, and (2) Creepy Puppet Yoda, who for some perverse reason I find mesmerizing.  AOTC and ROTS, lacking those tidbits, are just unwatchable.  Plus, they have Hayden Christensen, who actually manages to do what everyone thought impossible: make us miss Jake Lloyd.

AOTC has only one thing going for it - the existence of Christopher Lee.  He's NOT actually good in the film, but just his being there, making us wonder if he's going to raise his cape and bite someone, earns AOTC 2nd place among the PT.

ROTS is a mind-numbing video game with nothing going for it at all.  I've seen it three times and cannot remember a single scene or character from the film, apart from 10 seconds where someone on a speeder goes to Ben's hut with a baby.

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#610083
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When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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One of the reasons I like SW so much better than ESB are the settings.  In SW, we essentially have a planet with large natural landscapes, a huge space station, and a lot of outer space.  There is more diversity on Tatooine than in all of the venues of ESB put together. Most of SW it takes place in big places where there is a lot to explore.  Ben takes Luke to increasingly distant destinations.  By contrast, ESB takes place in mostly confined places - an ice planet where everyone has to stay indoors, a rainy dank planet, the inside of an asteroid, and rooms inside of a city.  SW seemed expansive and the unveiling of a universe for a farm boy, whereas ESB always felt claustrophobic to me.

The SW universe also started shrinking with ESB and ROTJ, with Luke's father being Vader, etc., and lack of introducing any significant new characters that weren't already alluded to in SW. (Yoda being the one, signifcant exception - that puppet single-handedly transforms the movie from a bore to a classic)

As good as ESB is (and I don't mean to imply that it isn't great - only that it isn't as great as SW), I think it missed its chance to continue expanding our view of the universe, rather than shrinking it.  I could imagine SW going on forever with writers using their vision to continue adding new vistas, new factions, etc.  Instead, by making the "saga" so closed and wrapped around itself, they have effectively killed it as a venue for really new ideas.

For example, imagine instead if in ESB we had learned that the Empire was just one of many factions vying for control of the dark side.  Or if there were galactic rulers beyond the ones we have met.  Or if other races discovered other ways of using the force.  Or, what if Luke fell in love with some fascinating woman Sith?  The possibilities are (were) endless.

If Disney approaches Ep.VII/VIII/IX in that way, they could potentially reopen the doors to more SW.  If they keep trying to build upon the "saga", I think that interest will dry up quick.  At least mine will.

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#609539
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What Do You Remember From Your First Viewing Of The OT?
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I saw SW in June 77.  I was 17, and in Logan Utah for a summer math program with 50 other high school kids.  We all saw it as a group when it hit the local theater.  To get to the theater, we had to walk from the dorm through a cemetary.  Saw it two more times that week, walking through the cemetary each night with a group of friends.

A few weeks later, when I went back to California (Greyhound bus each way), I dragged my parents to the theater to see it.

Since then, I've deduced that the Logan showing was 35mm mono mix, and the later showing in CA was probably 70mm.

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#609148
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STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL SPECIAL EDITION 2012
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Naturally I'm disappointed that I sat there eating my popcorn for nothing. But on the plus side, I did get a 5 pound burger for free by following some billboards.  The only problem with that was I had to eat the whole thing.  Then I felt like Jabba the Hut, although the subsequent experience may have had more artistic depth than the Holiday Special.