Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda

budwhite said:

puggo, you don't happen to have any comparison pics so one can see how much was cropped?

Look on post 151 of this thread.  It's actually a tiny bit less cropped than that, since I recaptured it after much wrangling with the gate and lens mount.  But the cropping is significant enough to have caused some problem with one 5-second segment of Greedo's subtitles.

As a reminder, everyone who received a disk, will be receiving a replacement disk.  They are already in the mail.

Yes, reel 2 was in worse condition (color-wise) than the other two reels.

Here's an interesting observation that perhaps someone here can explain(?).... the fact that reel 2 has a different leader, and was much more red (different filmstock?) would ordinarily lead me to conclude that the reel was part of a different set than reels 1/3, and that therefore this was a mix-and-match set.  However, there are two things to counter that...
- reel 2 was erroneously cropped in exactly the same way as reels 1/3, and
- in the Swedish subtitled set, the leaders shared the same differences in style as in the normal set (that is, reel 2 had the circular countdown leader whereas reels 1/3 had the fat block numbers).  This despite, again, all of the Swedish reels having the same (non-erroneous) cropping as each other.

So, is this leader pattern normal on 16mm film sets, and this was not a mix-and-match set?

bill77 said:

Thank you sooo much for all your time and effort in making this possible. After watching this today, I really feel that I have experienced Star Wars circa 1977.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm really glad that people are enjoying it.  It was a good year's worth of work.

Interestingly, I have to say that, while I understand people seeing it as a trip back to 1977, it really isn't that for me.  My memory of 1977 was seeing it in pristine glory, without any blemishes.  I won't transport back to 1977 until SW is properly restored from a 70mm high quality print, like we saw back then in the theaters when it first came out.

When I watch something like the SE, there are moments when I feel like I'm back in 1977 experiencing that sparkling brilliance again... then Han steps on Jabba's tail and it's "aw crap!", back to tragic reality.

MoveAlong said:

budwhite said:

I just watched a few minutes of it.(d/l from a.b.starwars) Very decent looking, better than I thought it would be. But is the aspect ratio correct? I had thicker black bars than usual on my 32" WS TV.

The bottom of the print Puggo telecined was severely cropped. Therefore the black bars have to be bigger to maintain proper AR.

I noticed that if I used an older DVD player to play it on my widescreen plasma, I had to tell the DVD player that it was talking to a 16:9 display.  Otherwise, it REALLY squished it and everyone looked stretched horizontally.  So make sure you have your player/TV all set up right for anamorphic display.  And yes, even when set up correctly the black bars are mighty thick.  480x720 squished to 310x720 and then stretched another 25% by the hardware - you do the math.  Just pretend you're at the Cineramadome!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330355836562

Any ideas what this might be?  Depending on what it is, I might be interested.

budwhite said:

1gb?

The DVD is nearly full - about 4.5 gb.  Not sure what was just put up, I don't have anything to do with that.

Version 3 of the Puggo Grande has just been certified by MoveAlong as A-O-K.  So I will be burning replacement disks today and tomorrow, and sending them out on Monday.  Finally!

By the way, those of you receiving replacement disks will be able to tell the difference between the two, because version 3 will have a tiny JarJar next to Puggo in the corner.

Version 3 is done and on it's way to MoveAlong for verification.

TMBTM said:

Just a silly question:

I think that Adywan did a color correction of the movie based on the 2004 DVD. I mean he changed the 2004 colors with filters and things like that, right?

He did a GREAT job, but now that we almost have a 16mm restored dvd version (thanks to Puggo), can't we use the colors of the Puggo grande on 95% of the scenes of Star Wars revisted? Perhaps even on a HD version of SW?

....

Tell me if it's stupid or not.

I won't say it's stupid, because it's actually rather clever.  Unfortunately, the 16mm film was quite comprimised (faded, red-shifted, etc.) and would make a lousy source for color-correcting anything.

Molly said:

Murphy strikes again.

Murphy had nothing to do with it... my ineptitude takes full credit.

Version 2.0 also had a bug.  The good news is, I now know why, and what I need to do about it.  Version 3.0 should be ready in a couple of days, and I'll let you all know when it's correctness has been verified.

none said:

nobody needs to share their copy of Grande 1.0...

Hey someone around here's gotta be a completist and might want a copy.

Now with all due respects, that's just insane.  The only difference between "1.0" and "2.0", is that 1.0 has a bug - the widescreen bit wasn't set.  Otherwise they are utterly identical, every other bit is the same.  The only effect of 1.0 floating around out there, is slight damage to my reputation :)

I think the biggest problem with the PT can be summed up as "WWTMI" -- way, way too much information.  There is just no mystery at all.  Star Wars was a simple movie, but it had some mystery in it.  If they had just made Anakin nice, like ObiWan, and have some cool personal interplay and battles like in the OT, without getting all complicated about exactly HOW Anakin turned, the first two movies could have been fine. Then, in Ep.3, all we really needed were a couple of hints, and Anakin disappearing for a while, and then one of their enemies turning out to be him, and we could all sit in wonder at how the dark side of the force can lure you unsuspecting if you're not careful.  As it is, we got a zillion details, and I still have no idea what the hell happened and what it had to do with the dark side of the force "seducing" Anakin - I think I'd rather just wonder, in fear, at how a nice guy could go bad.  As it was, a bad guy got worse.

Jonno said:

Presumably the issue of a 'play all' option came up at some point during the planning (the resultant disc doesn't have one)

Actually, when reel1 finishes it should go straight to reel2 and then to reel3, so that selecting "reel 1" is the same thing as "play all".  (except that it wouldn't automatically play the extras.)

DarthPlagueis said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,..........if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this...

I have read all posts made since I made this remark, and there certainly wasn't any response coming from you to anything I've said. If there was - which would prove I'm blind lol - please prove me wrong. 

But since I'm quite certain there isn't any, I don't see any reason why you'd be so ... rude? I'm not offended, but please do not post these things without any thing to base it on.

My response wasn't a post... I had sent you a PM.  <<edit>> - After reviewing my outbound PM box, I can't find my outbound PM to you.  So it looks like something went wrong and my PM never was sent.  If that's true, I apologize for my post.

Working on the re-encodes now.  When I'm done, I'll send out replacement disks. In the meantime, if you have an old Puggo Grande disk, please DON'T post or torrent it.

DarthPlagueis said:

I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,....<snip>......if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me

And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this... the problem is not what to do with the scanned prints.  The problem is getting the prints scanned in the first place.  Have you read any of the preceding thread?

Jonno said:

How was the original transfer formatted - I assume it was actually recorded to video/file via a 16:9 camcorder?

No.  The frames of the film are anamorphic, meaning that they are 4:3 and would ordinarily require a special lens to project (and that's not 16:9... it's even wider).  But the workprinter's lens is really only capable of projecting the original 4:3, so that's what I captured.  Then in post I vertically squished the image from 480 to 310 and adding horizontal bars (but still 4:3 including the bars), because when THAT is stretched to 16:9, the image produced would be correct.

That's why if you take what is on the disk, and tell your DVD player (or TV) to stretch it to 16:9, it then should look right.

So the source .avi file is 4:3 but needs to be displayed stretched to 16:9.  Do I need to make the target 16:9?  Would it still be viewable on a standard TV?  I couldn't find an example of doing this in any examples on the various internet TMPGEnc instructional guides I've accumulated.

Ok, it does seem that I have failed to properly set the bit.  For those of you who got these first copies of the disk, if you can figure out how to tell your player or your tv to display at 16:9, it should stretch to the right dimension.  That should tide you over until I get the corrected version out.

Only the three reels of the film are intended to be widescreen.  The PSA and the "making of" are both 4:3.  The menu doesn't really matter, the way I've made it.

When I get back next week, I'll make the corrections and get the final version out. In the meantime, please don't distribute the version that is out there now.

Oh, and thanks for pointing me to the repair tools.  But I'd really like to know how to properly set the bit in TMPGEnc.  Can anyone tell me how that is done?

Ok, I'm just starting to get some feedback from a few people who have received disks.  One viewer has indicated that I didn't properly set the anamorphic flag in TMPGEnc.  I thought I had done things the right way, given that the source material is 4:3, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that I had made that sort of mistake.

So, I ask that please nobody torrent or distribute it yet, until I am certain that it gets encoded properly.  If any of you who received disks can check it out and let me know of any such mistakes you recognize, and then better yet if any of you know TMPGEnc well enough to suggest what I need to do to properly do the encoding, I'll get right on fixing it and redistributing a proper encode.  Thanks!

In the interests of diversity, Han and Chewie could be a couple.

After Luke asks "how did my father die?", Obiwan could tell him the WHOLE story. It would start: "this is going to take a while, now, try not to laugh..."

Add Jar Jar to ANH for continuity.

Change ANH crawl to include midichlorians.

Teletubbies singing for Jabba (oh wait, they already did that).

Sent out 15 disks this morning.

The leaders are included in one of the extras.

I've gotten a ton of PMs... right now I'm making a bunch of copies, and will respond to each of you very soon!  Thanks for your patience.

The leaders are included in one of the extras.

I've gotten a ton of PMs... right now I'm making a bunch of copies, and will respond to each of you very soon!  Thanks for your patience.