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#751354
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Random Thoughts
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If the topic is "is it possible to change society's views through film" then the answer seemingly must be a straightforward yes, least an entire advertising industry be shown to be fruitless.

Given such a reality, is it then possible to potentially damage society through the showing of such films as might be currently considered counter to society's normative values?

Such an assumption must necessarily be secondary to inquiring after what form such damage might take. 

How might society be harmed by such films?

How might one achieve a paradigm shift in the viewing audience after repeated showings? 

Perhaps it might be related to mankind's seeming interest in novelty. For what might be more interesting than the exploration of something potentially new and, perhaps even, heretofore, forbidden?

How might the maintaining of the special be possible if not kept apart from the mundane? For in projecting the special to the extent that it might become mundane what then might replace the special? Is such not at the root of the radicalization of the special to the degree that it must depart ever further from a normative path?

Is not the first slasher film one views necessary more thrilling than the 10th? Is one not commonly left seeking that which might yet be nearer the edge after becoming accustomed to more of the same? Given that desensitization is always possible, whether in the viewing of murder or pornography, if one truly wishes the same thrill from either does one not necessarily require a level of restraint so as to not overly dull the senses?

If such a thing might be branded as virtue or morality, so be it...for once the thrill is gone does it not require an investment in abstinence in order for it to be slowly rekindled?

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#751339
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FOR THE SINGLE (or widowed or divorced) OTers
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Warbler said:

I don't know, I think maybe God doesn't want me to be with someone.  Also, I am just too shy.  I've never been able to talk to a woman in that way.  The one time I did find the courage to tell a woman how I felt about her, it ended in disaster.  I am not going to tell to the story here, but trust me it was a disaster.  After that, I don't think I'll ever be able to tell another woman how I feel about her.   Maybe it is a sign that there isn't someone out there for me.  

 ...and yet somewhere in this world likely exists a girl who would be overjoyed to make your acquaintance, but she cannot find you because she is not currently canvassing your neighborhood...very frustrating for the both of you...perhaps you need to be more present in the world so that she might better locate you..?

Although we would mark your absence...

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#751336
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The Philosophy Thread - Where Serious Questions "May" Be Discussed
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imperialscum said:

Post Praetorian said:

If mankind were on the brink of discovering time travel, would it be better that the knowledge be shared universally or banned outright?

Time travel already exists within the laws of physics. You can't ban the laws of physics.

 Were mankind on the brink of harnessing such a phenomenon, would it be better that...

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#750453
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In Praise, Laudation, and Hosanna of George Lucas
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ATMachine said:

Er... I'm really sorry if the initial post of this thread seemed rather strange. I've had too little sleep the past few nights, I fear.

What I want to say, before I quit this thread, is that, although I don't overly like the Prequels, I also don't feel it's right to deny GL's own right to make movies as he chooses. That's kind of... not nice.

(Though of course we all reserve the right to nitpick them! Man, I'm so glad we've got RiffTrax to carry on the MST3K spirit.)

I do still think, though, that the OOT really really needs a re-release. Like, yesterday. That is the real crime here, in my view. (And it'd be even better if we could have all the Special Editions alongside it in one go, Blade Runner style.)

Clearly you should not stay up so late playing Loom...however your message was understood...in spite of its fantastic delivery...

Thank you for clarifying that there were no actual bears involved...I was certainly concerned...

Regards,

Praetorian

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#750274
Topic
A new Indiana Jones?
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Though I remain cynical in general towards the retelling of such tales in the larger sense of what was previously described, your very well reasoned and balanced response does allow for an alternate view worthy of consideration. Certainly a potential solution to the problem of inconsistent actors might be found in the placing of future stories within a past epoch.

It will really have to depend upon how it is handled...

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#750250
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A new Indiana Jones?
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DrCrowTStarwars said:

So you have not watched any thing James Bond related except the 1954 CBS broadcast of Casino Royal for Climax?

This lack of consistency has certainly reduced any desire to view any of them, yes.

Oh and the new actor doesn't have to pretend to be Ford, he can play the part his own way.  Connery did not pretend to be the guy fro Casino Royal. Brett did not pretend to be Cushing when playing Sherlock Holmes.  Laurie did not pretend to be Nevin when playing Bertie Wooster.  Troughton did not pretend to be Hartnell. Why would the new actor pretend to be Ford? Why wouldn't he just play the part.

Under this logic Shakespear's plays should never be preformed today because none of the actors are playing the role, they are just pretending to be the actors who played the roles in Shakespeare's day.

 I am most certain many feel as you do and are able to embrace the character in whichever manifestation it is offered.

I will readily admit that I have done so with David Suchet's Poirot and Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes, being well aware that the portrayal has been done by many others before.

That being said, however, now that I have a preferred Poirot or Sherlock, I no longer feel the desire to entertain any others.

What might be argued in such examples, however, is that many of these were born first in the imagination of the audience through a well known written or performed work. Such characters were known prior to the actor who might later play the role and so the actor itself was not synonymous with the character.

With the advent of cinematic history, characters were for the first time immortalized in the form both of the character and the actor doing the portrayal.

When a role is developed by an actor to such a degree that theirs is universally assumed to be the definitive version it seems meaningless to reprise the role ad nauseam because the story-line has become secondary to the character itself.

In the constant recycling of such roles we confuse and erase portions of the definitive character--as it cannot (and likely should not) be duplicated properly without a great deal of cringe-inducing moments. Yet the paradox is that without such recognizable traits and obvious fan service how might this new version still represent the character that we have grown to know and appreciate? 

With reboots we now have a Kirk and Spock who are irreconcilable with their former selves. If we are to discuss such characters we must now append a timeline to each so as to understand which version of what used to be iconic we wish to refer. It detracts from any identification with these characters and creates a secondary level of disbelief-suspension necessary to involve oneself properly in the film assuming one is well acquainted with the original.

Is Indiana Jones the only archaeologist who might be considered to have adventures? Certainly not. So why must all future such plots be that character's exclusive domain? Is not a cynical suspicion that such a decision might revolve largely around the logistics of simpler marketing rather than for any important structural significance to be understood? 

Further, the potential to miss out on new possibilities that are seemingly never considered in favor of the more easily exploited tried and true is a great loss. How many versions of Batman are now at play and yet mutually incompatible? Is not the character more likely diminished by such schizophreniazation than improved? Why could not new material have been presented, and new stories considered, rather than a re-jumbling of the old? Having witnessed no fewer than 3 origin stories for a given character is it any wonder that such a one may no longer be of any great importance? Which is now the definitive timeline? The definitive story? The definitive character. Does not none of them seem a more likely response than all of them?

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#750240
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Handman said:

TV's Frink said:

Post Praetorian said:

However, should you choose to ignore this appeal, the best means of dispatching one's self without suspicion might be to consider an accidental drowning. Such an occurrence generally must correspond with weather suitable for the excursion so this likely means putting off the ordeal until summer.

 I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with this.

 Putting off a suicide for awhile in the hopes that things will get better before then. At least, that's what I got out of it.

 Precisely.

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#750232
Topic
The simplest means of fixing the PT
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I assume there is a group with sufficient talent who have already considered how to repair, or are in the process of repairing, the PT along the lines of The Phantom Edit...however, to make such a task easier, to focus on salvaging as much as possible, as well as to create as little disruption as necessary, is there a straight-forward method to greatly improve what is?

The essence would be to provide simple solutions that might be offered to create at least a viewable (as opposed to a perfected) series.

My suggestions:

1) Replace the voice of Jar Jar

2) Replace the comments of the droid army members

These changes might allow a sufficiently improved tone to then justify further refinements that might, as a total, possibly aide some of us to recover from the PTSD* that many of us might have suffered as a result of viewing these films without being sufficiently warned.

*Prequels that Tarnished StarWars Disorder