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#750226
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If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place
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Though I sympathize with your plight, I have more selfish reasons to suggest you stay your hand: for with whom might I properly spar if you should take an early pass on to oblivion?

However, should you choose to ignore this appeal, the best means of dispatching one's self without suspicion might be to consider an accidental drowning. Such an occurrence generally must correspond with weather suitable for the excursion so this likely means putting off the ordeal until summer.

Consider, however, that now that both the motive and means of your potential demise have been made public it is entirely possible that a future investigator might be thoughtful enough to check your online behavior and to necessarily assume any such coincidences to be of great interest.

In the meantime, visit your local food-bank...they should take care of you for now.

Regards,

Praetorian

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#750219
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What would have made the prequels better in your opinion?
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Rox64 said:

*Warning: a big block of text incoming*

The actual background conflict should have had some weight in the characters' actions and motivations.  That's one of the biggest flaws in the PT.

In the OT we care about the Rebellion vs Empire civil war because it determines the paths our heroes crosses, how they view their surrounding world and how they think.

The discovery of the Death Star's secret plans, the death of Owen and Beru and meeting Obi-Wan Kenobi makes Luke join the Rebellion, follow his father's steps and leave Tatooine for some wacky and fun adventures across the galaxy. The fate of Alderaan and the menacing power of the Death Star makes Han have a chance of heart.

The destruction of the Death Star brings hope to our heroes, which later determines the themes and scenes of Empire Strikes Back: Han must choose between becoming someone like Boba or a respectable figure like Lando, Luke grows up, the "I am your son", the depressing ending, the Empire being everywhere.

Thing became flatter in Return of the Jedi with characters stopping being themselves, plot canyons, Ewoks and cheap rehashes of the first movie, but nevertheless there's still a sense of danger and urgency in the battle of Endor: the Rebellion could be finally defeated, which means really bad news for Leia and Han, Han is finally working with the Rebels full-time, Luke could fall to the dark side and replace his father, the galaxy is waiting. The death of Vader and the Emperor and the destruction of the second Death Star and the Executor in an isolared planet at the edge of the galaxy is the first step in a reorganization of the superpowers and organizations, with the Rebellion making advances and the Empire losing control.

Nothing of this is in the PT.

It does not matter whether our protagonists are facing Dooku, Grievous, the Trade Federation or evil Darth Jar-Jar Binks, the conflict is superfluous.

After so many years of conflict you would guess it had an impact on Coruscant and its people, but the same views of the big city in TPM appears in RotS too. We never see the wealthy people becoming wealthier and the poor people becoming even more miserable, we never see any building in ruins. There's a big space battle near Coruscant at the beginning of Ep. III, but once old Palpy is saved the battle is dropped, never to be mentioned again in the rest of the movie.  Utapau, Kamino, Tatooine... All of these planets remains mostly the same. Meanwhile in the OT Alderaan is destroyed, the Rebel base at Hoth is destroyed, Cloud City is evacuated, and the Rebels are pushed back everytime with few if no advances towards the core of the galaxy, the heart of the Empire.

Anakin does not fall to the dark side because he became depressed at the long and bloody conflict.  He fell because crazy Palpy manipulated him with false hopes of saving Padmé and saying bullshit about the Jedi Council. That could have happened with the Republic at peace, with a silent coup d'grace.

Obi-Wan became a flat, boring character, and yet another Jedi rather than the wise crazy wizard he was in Star Wars. The Jedi are all the same, they never ever develop their own personality and traits (although to be honest some traces of this can already be seen in the Luke from RotJ).  Why Cound Dooku is working with the Separatists?  We never know anything about him other that "he's evil".  Who's Grievous? Yet another evil character that does not matter. Vader was the embodiment of all the hate the heroes in the OT had towards the Empire. Things were personal.

What if the war in the PT has a real impact?

Let's say the Separatists have a good cause.  The Republic is corrupted, they're oppresing Outer Rim worlds and some systems wants to leave the Republic or oppose the overly centralization of power.  But the war is unavoidable after the actions of the Republic in Episode I.

The Separarists, exploiting the lack of a republic army and the corruption and incompetence of the Republic leaders, are making some real advances and causing great losses to the Republic.  Coruscant is either in ruins or no longer safe, so the Senate and the main organizations are evacuated.  Things become tense inside the Jedi Order, with opposing factions hotly debating how should the Republic act and what actions should the Jedi follow.

Obi-Wan and Anakin are disappointed but they also have opposing views. Anakin chooses order and eficiency over freedom: he has personally seen the great damages the war has caused.  Maybe his homeworld ("not-Tatooine") has been ruined, our his family ("not-Shmi") is dead, or he has lost his hands and legs in many battles and he relies more and more in mechanical parts, in a foreshadowing of the man he will become.  He sees how the Senate is a bunch of incompetents, how the Jedi are unable to protect inocent people like his family, and how the Jedi ideals of justice and peace are a big fraud.  He sees himself as a highly competent and skilled Jedi and commander, he instantly connects with Palpy and he's enchanted with the chancellor's promises of power and peace. For the greater good.

Obi-Wan and Dooku are mostly similar: they haven't had any personal loses, so they cannot understand how Anakin feels.  However, Obi-Wan works inside the Jedi Order and the Republic, while Dooku left the Order years ago (when he understood the Order was beyond repair) and started working on its own. So both are nice and good people ("from a certain point of view"), working for the same cause, but they doesn't know.

The Republic only starts striking back, reconquering lost worlds, restarting the economy and guarantying the security of its citizens when Palpy, with Anakin at his side, makes morally questionable moves.  That polarizes the Jedi: some believe the old order will be restored at the end of the war so it's ok to support Palpatine's actions, some follow Dooku's steps, and some actively opposes the government.

The Separatists also became desperate in their attempts of winning the war, which further increases the chancellor's public approval.

At the end the Republic wins and it's finally corrupted, the remains of the Separatist cause are reformed into the Rebellion, the Jedi are considered enemies of the Republic (thus killed, with the exception of Obi-Wan and Yoda). The militarization of the Empire continues, and the arrival of the Star Destroyers marks the first time the galaxy sees ships so massive and big. The Empire is everywhere.

This way you can remove or restore original ideas from earlier drafts/stories, or introduce new twists:

-The Republic/Empire, rather than evil, was corrupted beyond repair.  There's no Sith conspiracy, no prophecy, no Sith order: just the wrong people in the wrong places.

-Rather than star systems fearing openly joining the Rebellion, they actively oppose then: the Separatists were reformed into the Rebellion, and the Separatists causes many great losses during the Clone Wars, so why opposing those who bring peace to the galaxy? While the consequences of the war in the PT could be seen in the core worlds, the deadly battles in the OT are at the edges of the galaxy, too far away to create a political and emotional reaction in Coruscant and nearby systems.

That would have nice consequences for the OT:

-Obi-Wan's exile isn't just for escaping the Empire's sinister hands.  It's also a form of self-punishment, and a way to meditate and reorganize his ideas.  He understands he was wrong all this time, and that his failures contributed to the creation of the Empire.  He's hesitant at training Luke, up until he watches Leia's recorded message and understands he has no option. That also makes his sacrifice in Star Wars more interesting.

-Owen and Beru, like many people across the galaxy, opposed the Jedi and the old Republic by the end of the Clone Wars, which ironically makes Luke more and more rebellious towards the establisement.

-The heroes in the OT aren't just fighting against the Empire.  They're facing the whole galaxy, making the end of all the OT movies a more satisfying experience, and the universe a bigger place, rather than the shriking we had with the actual PT.

-Most of RotJ's faults could be redeemed: Luke's reaction at Obi-Wan's "from a certain point of view" is still weak and lazy, but thanks to this fixed PT both the line and Obi-Wan's actions in the OT have a new meaning.  You could understand the passivity of Yoda, Vader's redeem is more believable, the Emperor is again the corrupted and efficient leader rather than a crazy old man.

-You would have a nice mix of the adventures and actions of Star Wars and the complex character development of Empire Strikes Back, so both public would be happy.

-The evolution of the technology in the Star Wars galaxy finally have sense: the droids doesn't suddenly dissapear from the story, the ships in the PT are more primitive, the Star Destroyers are the high-end, latest advance in military fields, and so on.

 This the best summation of the problems and suggestions of how same might be fixed that I have yet had the pleasure to encounter. This is exactly what needs to be done...now how much do you need to see this through to completion?

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#750211
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A new Indiana Jones?
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I am of a different mindset: I watch Indiana Jones to see Harrison Ford playing a role to which he was well suited. I would watch an Indiana-type series with the understanding that we could be treated to similar plots, but not be forced to pretend to pretend to be watching a different actor pretending to be Harrison Ford pretending to be Indiana Jones. My suspension of disbelief is merely not sufficiently elastic.

The first time such an actor attempted to retrieve his hat from peril, voiced a fear of snakes, and attempted to deliver Harrison-type quips would be a type of death to the original. Let us embrace new idioms and enjoy a new series without such forcible distractions.

It would be as if a new muscle-bound type attempted to imitate Schwarzenegger, both in accent and in phraseology...it would be excruciating to watch...much as would be a new Black Adder, a new Han Solo, a new Colombo.

Though some might be capable of shrugging off a new Captain Kirk or James Bond, I lack such a nature: if the entertainment industry is advertising a deficit of new characters interesting enough in their own right to warrant a story of their own then why am I to care what is to befall them in any new development? Will they not have the potential to be infinitely replaced in this, our new, doppelganger universe?

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#750036
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In Praise, Laudation, and Hosanna of George Lucas
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ATMachine said:

Friends,

Not yet...

fellows,

Perhaps...

countrymen.

Not necessarily...

Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Is it your view that you might be in such a position to offer such permissions?

I come not to bury George Lucas,

This is fortuitous given that he is neither here nor likely ready to be buried...

but to praise him.

Is such to be done in song or in dance? 

The bodies of men's offspring are oft interred before their eyes;

Truly? How oft might oft be such a case? Which country might you call home?

but the stories that they tell live on forever.

Given the unfortunate lack of evidence supporting such a position to be overwhelming...how might you have come to it initially?

So let it be with Lucas.

The part about him burying his offspring or ?

The noble people here have told you Lucas was avaricious; if so, it were a grievous fault, and grievously hath Lucas answered it.

Which is to be considered grievous: the avarice or the mentioning of same?

If the former, Lucas' response to such a charge might be possible, whereas his answer to avarice itself must needs surely be nonsensical...

If the latter, if so grievously at fault might be such people, how might same yet have been considered noble?

Alternately, if Lucas might have been given to offering grievous answers, is not the first instance of grievousness to at least be somewhat mitigated?  

Here, under leave of all

Impossible...

--for so you are, all modest men--

Unlikely...

come I to speak as a herald of Lucas's resurrection.

Might you not yet be forgetting that a resurrection necessitates a prior death...? 

He was my friend, faithful and just to me;

Is it possible that he might then be convinced to loan to you certain, ah, footage of keen interest to this site?

but you all say that he was avaricious;

Seemingly some must have been absent when such a pole might have been taken...

and you all are modest men.

...

He hath kept many stories in his breast in Xanadu; did this in Lucas seem avaricious?

If such things are truly being kept in such a place it might yet be possible to offer an explanation for some of what has transpired...better to keep such things on a shelf...

When that the poor hath cried, Lucas hath given; avarice should be made of sterner stuff; yet you all say he was avaricious; and you are all modest men.

You all did see that this day, he did present me with a thrice-horned crown,

I was not such a witness...

which I nine times accepted; was this avarice?

If it might have required a nine-part acceptance is not such a potential sign of his great reluctance to part with even so strange a gift? Is it more rational to believe you might have been possessed of an absolute stutter during such a ceremony or that Lucas merely attempted to repossess the alleged gift during eight successive lapses of judgement?

Yet you all say he is avaricious; and you are all modest men.

I speak not to disprove what you all speak; but here I am to speak what I do know.

Seemingly what you know and what you think you know have parted ways...

You all did love him once, not without cause: what cause withholds you then, to praise him?

Is it to be believed that your powers of observation might be so impoverished?

 O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts, to fish and birds, and men have lost their sense of wonder and mystery.

Is it not seemingly a greater wonder and mystery that judgment might flee to beasts of alleged brutality? Further, is it to be believed that fish and birds might be considered chief among them?

Bear with me;

Then I suggest that you stand very still.

my heart is in the tomb under the Mountain,

This must be very difficult for you...particularly should you need to run from this bear...

there with Lucas,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgR0tF1XXRQ&x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404

and I must pause till it come back to me.

Well there must be little wonder given your current lack of circulation...

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#749907
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Did any of you walk out of the theatre for any of the Star Wars prequels?
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Alderaan said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Why would you choose to watch TDKR if you haven't seen the first two?

My little brother (14 at the time) was visiting the week it came out and wanted to see it, so I took him. Lots of people say The Dark Knight is a great film, but I'm not keen on ever seeing it, considering those same people rave about one of the worst things I've ever seen on screen.

moviefreakedmind said:

I thought it was great.

Have you walked out on any of the Star Wars prequels though?

Nope. But that was because of my built up love for Star Wars. Even though I thought The Phantom Menace sucked the first time I saw it, there was a lot of rationalizing, followed by multiple viewings in the hopes that it would get better. Attack of the Clones left me traumatized and despondent. Revenge of the Sith I saw just to see it through. Only saw each of those travesties once.

My biggest memory of Revenge of the Sith was the credits at the end of the movie, oddly enough. I've always told people Star Wars films aren't over until the credits end, you have to sit and watch and listen to the end of the soundtrack. But for Revenge of the Sith, which I went to see alone

... I sat in the front row and was the first person out of my seat

How many others were also in your seat at the time?

and the first person out the rear doors of a mostly full theater. I couldn't leave fast enough.

 

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#749899
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Fan film(s) to "replace" the prequels?
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My only complaint with the PT is that George apparently attempted to change an action/adventure with mild comic relief into a seeming slapstick comedy with mild action/adventure relief. That this was supposed to preface the more mature work with which we were all familiar from our youth merely compounded the problem.

To create a new fan-funded version would be difficult because the crowd funding the new version would be potentially more demanding given their monies would finance what would have to be for them the final and definitive version. Anything falling short of this goal would be a new disappointment.

I would merely encourage an edited version of existing material that might seek to reduce the viewer's exposure to various elements deemed most distasteful based on a general consensus.

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#749844
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The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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DuracellEnergizer said:

When I look back on who I was back in late 2003-2004, I can't help but feel down.

I may have had less taste back then, been stupider and more conceited/legalistic, but I used to believe in something back then; I had belief in a loving God who cared about me; I had a firm moral code on which to base my life upon; I had optimism for the future.

Now I have absolutely nothing to believe in -- nothing but doubt and fear and anger.

 With ignorance comes a lack of perspective that will often allow for a greater inner peace; wisdom yields more of the excruciating types of pain.

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#749753
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The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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moviefreakedmind said:

I have absolutely no self esteem. I always assume that everyone is thinking negative things about me, and find it impossible to initiate anything with the opposite sex because I think that if I talk to them they'll think I'm creepy and weird. I'm at an age where all of my friends have relationships headed straight towards marriage, and as much as I would like to have that, I doubt I ever will.

I surprisingly have great friends though, and love being around them, although when I actually stop and think about it I really have no idea why any of them would want to associate with me. I have started to slowly recognize that all of these things that I think probably are completely irrational and not true, but still have no confidence and fear that I never will.

 I would recommend 3 things:

1) Find a social group with members of the opposite sex and join it.

2) Do not worry too much about your peer group as such a construct is artificial. 

3) Do some research on the topic of temperaments. It does not really matter which system you use: simply understanding the psychological undertones of yourself and those around you will increase your own insight into situations that might otherwise have proven confusing. This alone should increase self-assurance and decrease anxiety. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperament