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#761394
Topic
The Place to Go for Emotional Support
Time

Possessed said:

How many more times do I need to say the problem is just with the way the one friend is acting.  Not me, and not friend number 2, just him.  And you also realize I'm just talking about pot right?  Lmao.  And the problem was HE gets too drunk and fights.  Once again, not me or friend number two.  Just forget it.  I'll just keep wasting away on that marijuana, everybody knows it kills right.  haha.

 Fair enough...I am not standing in judgement of your means of coping...but given it was you who previously complained that your drinking was getting to be a problem, seemingly if it is also becoming a problem for an actual friend for whom you care enough to comment, why not co-motivate to stop it from gaining further ground...? While pot smoking might merely dull the mind and rob the spirit of motivation, alcohol may lead to a dangerous level of dependency...and cause undisciplined behavior that can lead to death...but you already know all this.

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#761378
Topic
The Place to Go for Emotional Support
Time

The solution most obvious hinges upon you wishing personal change more than you actually do: create a pact with said friend(s) to support one another in an effort to break free of your current dependencies...use this incident as the reason why it must be done.

You certainly must realize that the alternative is to merely stand idly by while the three of you continue to deteriorate.

It will take only one incident for one of you to go too far...

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#761234
Topic
A moment of chastisement
Time

darth_ender said:

Well, I did mean more in the online forum setting.  If I said, "Hey, dclarkeg, you're going to hell" (which I don't believe, but I know many Christians do), were I in his shoes, I'd probably laugh.  Whereas if he (or more likely Darth Id, since dclarkeg is more respectful) said, "Hey, ender, Jeebus was the bastard child of Mary fornicating with a Roman soldier, and only fools believe in him," I might just get offended.

But I can see how such beliefs might offend more personal relations, especially if such statements were frequently restated.

I personally do not like Stephanie Meyers (though she is a Mormon ;)  ), but there are people who are passionate about her books and characters.  While in certain circles I might freely criticize her and tear up the Twilight series.  But if I'm in the midst of great fans, I'm not going to loudly proclaim just what an idiot she must be, how trashy her books are, how weak her prose, and how anyone who reads it must be the epitome of ignorant.  I would choose to be respectful.

I really do appreciate your defense against such vocal jerks, and I appreciate your helping me see a bit more perspective.  I just personally don't see a reason justifying why some have acted as they have.  Like I said, I am writing a book.  I am actually writing two, and if I am being honest, I'm not terribly far in either. However, both books carry heavy religious themes: one about the dangers of religious extremism, the other about two primary characters, one who is religious, the other atheist, and how they learn to appreciate each others' views.  I see no reason why atheists and believers cannot have mutual respect, but a certain breed of arrogant atheists see no need for such mutual respect.

 I would be interested in reading those books when they are finished...as always you have a lot of admirable insight on the topic...

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#761233
Topic
Nothing Matters Anymore. Climate Change/Global Warming Will Drive Humans To Extinction In A Matter Of Decades
Time

It is not clear what you mean by "impact." With hundreds of desalinization plants worldwide (California has even built a couple of them), seemingly the impact is well understood:

Salt water is converted into fresh water and trace elements and minerals. Said minerals may be returned to the fresh water to prevent mineral loss in humans drinking said water. Some filters require changing to prevent organisms from entering the intake lines. An accumulation of salt from the process may be packaged and sold or returned to the ocean.

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#761023
Topic
Nothing Matters Anymore. Climate Change/Global Warming Will Drive Humans To Extinction In A Matter Of Decades
Time

Having experienced the hysteria that was the Global Cooling scare of the 70s and early 80s (where the Secretary General of the UN even made so bold as to declare we had been irrevocably committed to sustained cooling), I have to be at the very least cynical that Global Warming was to begin only a decade or two afterwards.

I am by no means a Global Warming denier, but I am a skeptic of all things doom and gloom.

1) I recall the prediction that we would have exhausted the worldwide supply of tungsten by the late 1990s.

2) I recall be schooled that we would exhaust our fossil fuels by the year 2010.

3) I recall reading an old history text that warned that the world was running dangerously short of coal back in the 1880s...

4) And how many distopian predictions were there during the height of the Cold War that mankind would be long gone prior to the advent of the year 2000?

5) And might we have forgotten the Y2K computer bug that was set to erase all technological progress?

This is not to say that care is not warranted and excesses should not be curbed, but rather it is an observation that the medias love nothing more than a hysterical public, and will typically do whatever it requires to keep them agitated...their cash-flow depends upon it.

This is why there are few in-depth investigations into the unlikelihood (or even relative lack of importance) of any of the above examples coming to pass while the hysteria is in full gear. It is also why the positive balance to such negativity is rarely offered.

To give some fair examples of solutions and/or assuagements from your concern of global warming:

1) To contend with California's impending drought, it need look no further than the existing technology of desalinization. Yes, water will cost more, but likely it is currently undervalued anyway so it will encourage conservation. Further, with increased familiarity with the systems it is not unreasonable to assume prices will descend with time. 

2) If GW actually happens:

a) There should be a great deal more arable land opened up in countries whose grounds are currently permafrost.

b) CO2 levels in the atmosphere are currently at their lowest levels in hundreds of millions of years...increasing that CO2 will increase the rate of plant growth according to experiments conducted at greenhouses worldwide (as an aquaculturist I frequently must contrive to raise CO2 in my habitats in order to spark lush plant growth). Increased growth will serve to trap higher levels of carbon in the fibers, roots, and trunks of plants, removing it from the atmosphere...as it has been doing for hundreds of millions of years... 

c) Increasing temperature increases habitat diversity and range. 

d) Increased temperature allows for a greater level of humidity...which may naturally lead to greater cloud cover, which may lead to less skin cancer.

Further, greater cloud cover would potentially reject more solar energy due to the higher refractive index of water crystals in the high atmosphere and the lighter color of clouds relative to that of the ground...

e) A higher global temperature should reduce heating costs and the combustion of fossil fuels...

f) Historically, periods of warmth have been strongly linked to periods of decreased global hostilities due to the increase in crop yields.

g) As the percentage of Oxygen in the atmosphere is displaced by CO2 it is expected that forest fires should be fewer, smaller, and more frequently doused by increased rainfall.

Certainly many of these items could be debated (something for which I have no inclination as they are merely presented to demonstrate that one-sided discussions often limit their scope to the worst-case scenarios to the exclusion of the rest of reality), but the point at hand is that far from being the worst news imaginable, Global Warming at worst likely offers the world new opportunities to try different things...and, in my humble opinion, is certainly far better than the previous worry: the threat of a new ice age, now overdue, that would shrink arable land and humanity's ability to survive to only a few hospitable zones...so cheer up!

Post
#761016
Topic
A moment of chastisement
Time

darth_ender said:

dclarkg said:

darth_ender said:


I was also defending Jesus Christ.  You see, to me he is not just some guy.  He is not even some remote supernatural being.  I see him as a very dear friend, someone for whom I have a great deal of love.  You may criticize me, my beliefs, my church, its founder, its leaders, its doctrine, its scripture.  You may criticize similar things for broader Christianity.  But when you actually belittle the Man I love most in this universe, I really cannot take it.  It's not just being thin-skinned.  Most of you wouldn't take me insulting a family member.  This is much like that.  You don't have to believe in him, but please do not disrespect him.

Are you aware that the guy is dead right? You are getting mad for something that is not even intended to make YOU mad, I understand that you actually believe that the dude is somewhere/everywhere listening to everything/everybody making judgement/forgiving us all and etc. and you are defending(?) him but that is exactly the problem.

You see, I understand that everyone has a right to believe whatever they want and still deserve respect but sometimes just the fact of being an atheist is an offense to the believers. Religious people must understand that some of our atheist opinions will inevitable end in mocking, jokes, sarcasm and plain rejection of religious stuff. I know that for people of faith that is blasphemy and a total disrespect that of course it will make them offended but unfortunately and because of the same atheist opinions we hold there is nothing we can do about believers getting offended.

I sometimes get offended (as a human being) by religion because it manipulates people on how they should live their lives and push them to convince and/or impose their views in our social system (government, education, health, etc) where it should be a consensus and not an imposition of any kind. I also get offended when people tell others that they need Jesus in their heart or else they'll burn endlessly in hell. I get offended when religion takes the ability of people to stand on their own because of fear of imaginary tales written in many ages of our world that have minimum-to-none connection with the reality of how the world really works both socially and scientifically... and still I don't think that religious people should keep it shut because I may feel offended.

I want to clarify that I'm not saying all of this because of a specific comment, situation or person and is just to clarify what I'm trying to say here but bottom line it goes like this: if you say you are entitled to some respect for getting mad because of insults to a imaginary friend that you and many others believe in because an ancient book tells you so without no real sustainable evidence outside the book then I'm entitled to some respect as well when expresing my opinion about all religious tales being plain bullshit, for example I find hilarious when you said ''but please do not disrespect him'' when I don't even believe in the guy and therefore is obvious I'll keep expressing that in many ways .

Please don't get me wrong here, I genuinely like you and I'm not trying to insult you in any way but if my opinions insult you then I can't do anything about it, there is a difference between someone being offensive and you finding something offensive and when it comes to religious people that line is very thin. If you demanding respect means that I can't express what I really think about a particular subject then you're being disrespectful towards others who disagree with you and unfortunately I can't comply with that request.

I'm just being honest here ;)

 See, I just don't see how even the most extreme Christian statements like an atheist will burn in a hell he doesn't even believe in could really be that offensive.

If a neighbor might believe (that is truly and honestly believe--and not even necessarily desire) that all Mormons were destined for Hell would it not at the very least make exchanging daily pleasantries a bit awkward?

For the atheist may claim pragmatic principles, but underneath he has no less a desire to be valued as integral to society. To consider that a large subset of said society might adhere to a credo that imagines him being in everlasting torment after death is a slight set back in relations. To imagine that said misery is purportedly to be brought about by the express judgement of their god is a further such slight...but paramount is the concept that the good Christian might still love such an entity with all their heart whom they truly believe will righteously torment the disbeliever...an entity that must, by its very description, be incapable of doing wrong, to be eternally noble, kind, just, and loving...well that, my dear Ender, is something that tends to give one pause...

But mocking someone special to me in as disrespectful language as possible, as Darth Id insisted on doing in particular, is very hurtful.  I am always respectful towards atheists' reasons for lacking belief.  I believe in the rights of atheists and do not condemn them or criticize them for their lack of belief.  But if that respect cannot be reciprocated, I get irritated.  If you don't think it would be hurtful to criticize Jesus Christ to a Christian, then clearly you've never loved.  If you want to say you don't believe, you still don't have to call him bull****.

In the mind of the atheist, the mocking of God (who might be hated) is not necessarily to be equated to the mocking of the Christian (who might be loved) any more than the accepting of an eternal hellfire for atheists might be wished to be confused with the acceptability of same...

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#760867
Topic
A moment of chastisement
Time

darth_ender said:

I love how we can discuss racism, but no matter the context, the N-word is such a no-no that a member of our forum practically gets yelled off the stage.

I love how an American can get called a racist for criticizing Islam, how Westerners are blamed for Islamic extremism, all here in Off Topic.

I love how Christians are bigots who believe that perhaps it is against God's will that homosexuality is an acceptable practice in his eyes, though they still defend the rights of homosexuals.

I love how if someone states that they are proud they waited till marriage to have sex, they are labeled as condescending and their words offending.

I love how if anyone defends the PT or states they prefer the SE of the OT, they got slammed by the majority of this site.

And yet....

Many of those same members who are so sensitive about homosexuals, Muslims, African-Americans, chastity till marriage, and the OOT that it disallows any rational discussion or exception to any "rules" will be the same people who will slam a Christian who gets offended when others deliberately go out of their way to insult their faith and mock the things most sacred to them.  Many of the same members will in fact demonstrate their bigotry and engage in the same practice.  And many of the same members will do nothing to stand up for the rights of those who simply wish to express their faith.

There have been some real jerks here in Off Topic of late.  I have probably never been so disappointed in so many patrons here, and I've never seen the bigotry of the likes of Darth Id and imperialscum so readily accepted.  It frustrates me further that this site is so finicky that I cannot even properly respond most of the time.

So many of you have disappointed me and let me down.  You probably don't even care and think I'm too sensitive.  But the fact remains, that you have tolerated bigotry because it wasn't a demographic you cared about.  I really am at a point where Bingowings and I will probably be in the same boat, and I really won't care if it makes many of you sad or thrilled.  Perhaps he and I will resume conversation in the Fan Edits and Preservations sections, which is about the only place on the forum I will be visiting soon.  This place sucks, and you jerks who think it's acceptable to belittle another for their faith suck.

 Seemingly your two villains have been chastised by numerous members...in numerous threads...even by fellow atheists...but perhaps I am not quite fully attuned to the true source of the problem...?

Post
#760853
Topic
Some Random Bullshit I Don't Approve Of (was: Dom's Atheist Thread)
Time

Darth Id said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Or perhaps God -- being an infinitely non-human entity far beyond our comprehension -- has concepts of good and evil, pleasure and pain that are completely alien to ours.

 

In other words, if God doesn't fit into a stereotypical caricature, you don't want to talk about Them. God either has to be a bloodthirsty tyrant or a hippie pacifist; any other concepts of God -- especially concepts of God that paint human mores as finite/trivial -- aren't worth discussing.

 No the point is that if everyone has his own unique, idiosyncratic "concept" of "God", then nobody actually believes in the same thing.  Everyone just fabricates his own cosmic ghost-blankie and calls it "God".  It's like if you said "I love chocolate ice cream," and I said "I also love chocolate ice cream!" but actually what nobody knows is that at night, in my basement, I secretly call a squashed cockroach "chocolate ice cream" and pray to it.  We ain't talking about the same thing, and it's utterly meaningless for us to start a "Chocolate Ice Cream Lovers' Club."

 ...remind me not to allow you to serve dessert... ;-)

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#760636
Topic
The debate anything posted in "Warbler's Christian Thread" Thread
Time

imperialscum said:

It fascinates me how how split down my sentences like a surgeon.

Precision is a virtue...and certainly provides ease of access for those who might otherwise have little time to engage in drawn-out discussions...

And yet even with this method you were unable to get it.

...it was too far away...and I did not wish to disturb all of you by asking for it to be brought closer...

I gave you points for your effort, that is why I didn't immediately give up on.

 ...and where might these points be now? Please display them as I may need them later...are they redeemable at the carnival? I appreciate you not giving up on our relationship...it has meant a lot to me, personally...it reminds me of a song...

Post
#760619
Topic
Warbler's Christian thread.
Time

imperialscum said:

Post Praetorian said:

Do you find yourself giving up often? Is it an effort, perhaps, even to climb the stairs?

Actually I am very persistent.

...oh?

But at the same time I am also very realistic.

...really?

If I see a hopeless case I naturally give up.

 Is that why you have let yourself go? Stopped checking to see if your socks match, etc...?

Truly you should not be so hard on yourself...try to look on the bright side...you are likely squinting anyway...

Post
#760601
Topic
Warbler's Christian thread.
Time

imperialscum said:

Post Praetorian said:

Let us try again, shall we? Is the core of the problem:

1) No civility can exist on an internet thread?

2) No civility can exist so long as you are interacting on an internet thread?

3) If one might ask for civility it must be denied...on principle?!

4) All of the above...?

None of above, as he did not ask for civility.

...do all of your instructors need to spell things out very slowly so as to ensure you have understood that this time when you are asked to put your pencil away it does not once again find itself in your ear?

I am afraid "we" shall not try again.

How many of you are there exactly? Do you find the voices argue a lot or are they generally amiable...unless you attempt to post something in the wrong place at home...then do the voices chide: "The fridge is for friendly notes; the side board is for arguments!"

I give up on your inability to comprehend extremely simple stuff.

 Do you find yourself giving up often? Is it an effort, perhaps, even to climb the stairs? Do all of you keep each other company when trapped in your front porch for want of the energy to turn the knob and let yourselves in?

Post
#760592
Topic
Warbler's Christian thread.
Time

imperialscum said:

Post Praetorian said:

actively debating about a specific topic.

...even after the OP may have requested otherwise...

He had no ground to make such a request and that is the core of the problem.

Let us try again, shall we? Is the core of the problem:

1) No civility can exist on an internet thread?

2) No civility can exist so long as you are interacting on an internet thread?

3) If one might ask for civility it must be denied...on principle?!

4) All of the above...?

Truly I am trying not to laugh...this is funnier than you perhaps realize...thank you for this!

Post Praetorian said:

...says an individual who seemingly has the capacity to only answer a singular charge from a multitude...credibility where art thou?

I apologise.

I accept.

I simply don't have time to respond to all the nonsense you produce.

...a busy fellow are you? Yet seemingly you have taken an important time out from your overflowing schedule to ensure Warbler is appraised of his inability to have a quiet space online because individuals such as yourself cannot help but trounce in upon it...such an advanced case of A.D.D. should at least be investigated...it might be of interest to science...

Nor it would be of any use to do so.

 I have accepted your apology and now I accept your concession...

Post
#760572
Topic
Warbler's Christian thread.
Time

imperialscum said:

Don't be ridiculous.

...says an individual who seemingly has the capacity to only answer a singular charge from a multitude...credibility where art thou?

Post Praetorian said:

1) that civility cannot exist if it is requested in advance...

He did not ask for civility...

*cough*

he asked

...for you to civilly stay your hand...to stopper your ego...to pause from what you might be huffing to accede to his reasonable request...but instead you chose...

not to utilise the primary function of the forum thread, which is,

...to communicate and not necessarily... 

as I already explained,

[for]

people

[to continue]

actively debating about a specific topic.

...even after the OP may have requested otherwise...

Yes, we have all of this already on record...but then the young do tend towards repetition...especially when lacking greater substance....