Those two tests looks fantastic!! I’d love to use your footage if and when you finish it!
Also, is there any chance at all that you could do Vader’s TIE on Jabiim in episode 5, instead of his shuttle?

Cheers,

PixelJoker95 said:

Hi everyone!
Since this is a general ideas thread, I’m posting here until I have something more to open my own.

So yeah, I’m going to do my own take on Kenobi theatrical cut. Still writing down the ideas and doing smaller scale tests, but will probably start working on the edit itself sometimes at the end of July. And it will be the one of Adywanic proportions!

Now, given that I have academical background in editing, but decided very early on to chase the career in VFX, this sounds like a perfect side project for me. Not to mention that SW inspired me to do what I do, and that in fact I did some visual effects for the upcoming Andor series. And please don’t get your hopes up for my editing skills, they’re a bit rusty after years of not doing anything on a larger scale.

For now I can present you with two tests:

1. For some reason I expected Vader to fly his own TIE fighter into the final duel. He’s going there for personal reasons, not so much for the official Imperial business. Plus we didn’t see live action TIE Advanced since '77.
   This is a single frame test, since I’m still working on the camera tracking (and that compression in the darkness doesn’t help at all!).

https://postimg.cc/2Vf2ZMt0

2. I like Rupert Friend’s performance as Grand Inquisitor, so much so I don’t mind that he doesn’t really look like Pau’an. But hey, why not fix it if we can, and bring it a bit closer to 2005 look of the species. I have a full video of it, and in motion in looks marvelous. Have to tweak the tracking on some frames, then I’ll upload it.

https://postimg.cc/sG5mL4MP

Ofc all of my footage will be uploaded for others to use if they please, in 4K.

I’d love to get other people’s input on something I’d like to try in my edit, for the last few sequences:
What I’d like to do is for Obi-Wan to not leave Jabiim, so that the duel with Vader happens on the one planet, instead of what we see in the TV series, which originally was:
Go to Jabiim / leave Jabiim / go to another planet a few minutes later.

I was thinking along these lines:
Kenobi briefly speaks with Leia, Haja and Roken (scenes that were originally on the starship, whilst fleeing the Star Destroyer). This may require altering the view in the windows to match the hangar bay on Jabiim. Removing the audio of blaster bolts from the Star Destroyer is easy, however I have no experience with altering background images and colours! /
Kenobi surrenders, and converses with Reva /
Reva says “He’s on his way” /
Vader says “Bring my ship” (scene originally located much later) /
Kenobi kills off two Stormtroopers, and escapes /
Vader arrives, destroys one starship, and the second starship takes off /
Brief shot of the starship leaving the atmosphere /
Time permitting: use a shot of a starship entering hyperspace, if timewise it doesn’t conflict with the timeline of the story /
This means cutting out the ridiculous “chase” by the Star Destroyer and starship. That was some poorly-written nonsense! No tractor beam used? No TIE Fighters, Interceptors or Bombers sent out? No simply blasting the starship into oblivion? Really?! Very “creative writing” there, Disney… /
Reva immediately tries to strike Vader — no footage of her slowly walking up to him. I want this scene to be much faster than what we saw in the TV series. Her slowly walking up was, well, too slow! /
Vader and Reva duel, and she is left for dead (no scene of her finding the communicator device) /
Vader walks off /
Vader goes to confront Obi-Wan /
This would require the Imperial Shuttle to be removed from the background, as it would conflict with the Imperial Shuttle seen in the background on Jabiim /
Obi-Wan leaving the planet after the duel: to a very slight reversal of footage, where he puts his robe on the seat of the starship. Now he finds L0LA after the duel, instead of beforehand.

What do you all think?

Cheers!

Hey mate,

Could I please get a link to your edit?

Cheers!

Master Lawdog said:

After some tinkering and training, I’ve officially given up on putting Samuel L. Jackson’s face onto the background fill-in. It would just be better to digitally map Jackson’s face onto him. I’m moving onto my planned Qui-Gon deepfake, which I may upload to my YouTube channel.

I’d be keen to see what you come up with! Could you please PM me a link to your You Tube channel?

Cheers!

Sirius said:

I don’t know if someone already brought this up in the edits of this site, but I have an idea about making the imperial cruiser chasing the rebels ship less silly, right before the second Vader vs Kenobi fight.

You can just cut the supposed hyperdrive problem entirely, and make Obi-Wan wanting to confront Vader just because he wants to resolve this personal conflict with Anakin (this is somewhat confirmed by his conversation with Roken). To accomplish that, I think that would be necessary just to cut most of the chase sequence, and insert a shot of the rebels ship entering the light speed right after Obi-Wan’s ship has launched. You could even relocate part of the drama with Obi-Wan and Leia about he being left behind for when they are leaving the planet, i.e. right after Reva being stabbed by Vader but before the beginning of the chase sequence in space.

This way, you make the Empire less incompetent for not sending tie fighters after the rebels ship, since they would have escaped too fast after they leave the orbit of the planet.

This sounds great to me!

Kaweebo said:

There’s ways to interpret that, though it would be better if there was a shot of an injured Vader walking back to his ship to really sell the point that he barely survived the encounter and needed to fix his suit, to the point of not even doing a confirm kill on Obi-Wan under the rubble (maybe you could add his hard breathing during shots of Vader walking to give the idea that he’s struggling). Combine that with the escape on Jabiim, assuming that’s still going to be part of this edit (emphasized by the flashback sequence showing that he still is being taught by Kenobi even now), and there’s certainly enough there to give the impression that Vader considered himself a learner in this scenario.

It makes Obi-Wan being stuck under the rocks a move out of desperation rather than a true final pin on their confrontation. Because the alternative is what happens in the show where Vader just assumes he killed Obi-Wan and foolishly goes to leave the planet, making him look incompetent as he seems to consistently give Kenobi ‘outs’ to escape; once on Mapuzo and once here.

I 100% agree with you! If it’s okay with you, can I use your idea of a shot of Vader walking back to his shuttle, with audio of him struggling to breathe?

Cheers,

CMMAP said:

I think it defeats the purpose of the line in EP IV. Therefore he would’ve been the victor of the last encounter which defeats „…i was but the learner…“. So it’s wether a question of canon or non-canon editing.

I’ve thought about that; Disney have thrown canon in the garbage simply by having Obi-Wan and Vader encounter each other in this series (but that’s a different complaint haha!).

During the second confrontation, Vader says “Did you truly think that you could defeat me? You have failed, Master”.
He still refers to Obi-Wan as ‘Master’, so Vader’s line in ANH about previously being a learner is still valid.

Ahhh we’re thinking along the same lines haha!! Well, it’s good to know that there are other editors who have the same or similar ideas. 😃
Come to think of it, I believe you posted your ideas before I did. That being the case, I have sent you a PM to get your okay with me using parts of your ideas!

Broom Kid said:

Phase3 said:

I posted this in NFBism’s thread, but also wanted to get other people’s thought on this:

I was thinking about the following:
During the second duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, instead of Obi-Wan walking away, getting into his starship and going to Tatooine, what if it’s Vader leaving Obi-Wan for dead, and leaving the planet first?

I pitched something VERY similar in another Kenobi Fan-Edit thread, I think maybe I thought it was this one, haha. Getting old sucks.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/KENOBI-A-STAR-WARS-STORY-RELEASED-2th-of-July/id/94684/page/16#1490252

Spence:
First of all, thanks very much for making a smaller file size available, for those of us with relatively small download limits! That was appreciated.
Mate, let me start by saying that your edit does a fantastic job of condensing the six episodes into one smoothly-flowing movie.
For an edit presenting the story as a feature length movie, without any major alterations or restructuring, your edit definitely does the job extremely well!
I can see how much work went into the audio work too, in order to have the soundtrack and sound effects all work properly. Well done!

You made some great choices when excluding some scenes, in particular:
AOTC flashback – I’m really glad you removed this scene, as it really belongs in an AOTC edit!
No rooftop chase.
Tala not being delayed by the Imperial Officer on the planet with the Inquisitor’s fortress.
No scene of Leia running away from Obi-Wan on Daiyu.

Some suggestions and observations:
Would you consider adding in more transition wipes, where applicable throughout the movie?

Might I suggest a trim to the long-winded, exposition-filled speech by the Grand Inquisitor on Tatooine? It really does go on for a long time!

If you wanted to trim your edit a bit more, how about cutting the scene of Obi-Wan finding the buried Lightsabers? Desert sands shift very quickly over time, and the likelihood of finding the box in exactly the same position as where he buried it years earlier is extremely unlikely.

The scene where Flea / Needles confronts Obi-Wan is missing some context. Needles says “I didn’t know Jedi could bleed”. The scene beforehand, of Obi-Wan confronting two other guards has been deleted, which would give context as to why Obi-Wan had a bloody nose.

On Daiyu, Obi-Wan tells Haja that “The bounty is on me”. Since you deleted the earlier scene showing the bounty being placed, this line is now out of context. Also, the droid being shot by Haja now makes no sense, as the audience has no idea if the droid is a bounty hunter or not. Some parts of the earlier scene of the bounty being placed are required I think!

During the escape from Jabiim, you cut to Obi-Wan telling Roken that this is a great plan, however you’ve deleted the scene beforehand, leaving the audience wondering “what plan?”. You might need to include at least some of the plan in order for the next scene to make sense.

Overall, your edit is great!!

Cheers,

Ice said:

Phase3 said:

I posted this in NFBism’s thread, but also wanted to get other people’s thought on this:

How about an alternate ending to the show?

I like it !

Thanks mate!

Kaweebo said:

jkimm said:

Sirius said:

Many thanks for your kind words! I hope that this is something that NFBisms might consider for his edit!

I posted this in NFBism’s thread, but also wanted to get other people’s thought on this:

How about an alternate ending to the show?
I was thinking about the following:
During the second duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, instead of Obi-Wan walking away, getting into his starship and going to Tatooine, what if it’s Vader leaving Obi-Wan for dead, and leaving the planet first?

In ROTS, Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead on Mustafar. How about Vader now does the same to Obi-Wan?
It could be carefully edited like this:

Vader’s helmet is sliced open /
“Goodbye, Darth” /
Delete the extra shots of Vader walking slowly with no dialogue /
Vader kneels down and yells “Obi-Wan!” /
Use the shot of Vader’s hand slamming into the ground /
Flipped shot of the ground breaking, so that it matches correctly with where Obi-Wan is & where the camera angle should be /
Obi-Wan falls /
Rocks fall down on top of him straight away - no further input from Vader - no need for him to be standing at the edge /
Relocate audio used earlier for the overhead shot of Vader “Did you truly think that you could defeat me? You have failed” /
As Vader speaks, do a slow, steady zoom-in on Vader, so it’s a bit different to what was shown in the episode /
Vader leaves the planet (would need to find a good shot of Vader’s shuttle flying in space) /
Obi-Wan has the visions of Luke and Leia, inspiring him to go on / Obi-Wan frees himself, leaves the planet, and goes into hyperspace (no visions of Luke whilst in the starship, to accommodate the removal of the awful Tatooine sequences in the sixth episode).

What do you all think?

Would you consider an alternate ending to the show?
I was thinking about the following:
During the second duel between Obi-Wan and Vader, instead of Obi-Wan walking away, getting into his starship and going to Tatooine, what if it’s Vader leaving Obi-Wan for dead, and leaving the planet first?

In ROTS, Obi-Wan left Anakin for dead on Mustafar. How about Vader now does the same to Obi-Wan?
It could be carefully edited like this:

Vader’s helmet is sliced open /
“Goodbye, Darth” /
Delete the extra shots of Vader walking slowly with no dialogue /
Vader kneels down and yells “Obi-Wan!” /
Use the shot of Vader’s hand slamming into the ground /
Flipped shot of the ground breaking, so that it matches correctly with where Obi-Wan is & where the camera angle should be /
Obi-Wan falls /
Rocks fall down on top of him straight away - no further input from Vader - no need for him to be standing at the edge /
Relocate audio used earlier for the overhead shot of Vader “Did you truly think that you could defeat me? You have failed” /
As Vader speaks, do a slow, steady zoom-in on Vader, so it’s a bit different to what was shown in the episode /
Vader leaves the planet (would need to find a good shot of Vader’s shuttle flying in space) /
Obi-Wan has the visions of Luke and Leia, inspiring him to go on / Obi-Wan frees himself, leaves the planet, and goes into hyperspace (no visions of Luke whilst in the starship, to accommodate the removal of the awful Tatooine sequences in the sixth episode).

What do you think?

This all sounds fantastic! I’m looking forward to seeing what you do with this edit!

revel911 said:

Phase3 said:

For anyone who is going to do their own fan edit, I’ve made a simple new opening crawl, which I have sent to Anjohan, who has said to me that it’ll be included as a separate file for anyone who wishes to use it. 😃

I have done 3x opening crawls, and each crawl has a different movie title:
1a Kenobi.
1b Kenobi A Star Wars Story.
1c Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Please note that I’ve done these in the same style as the main movies Episodes I-VI, and not in the style seen in ‘Rogue One’ or the Kenobi TV series.
There is also a camera pan down to Tatooine, plus a ‘fan edit’ information screen and opening fanfare & title cards etc.

Cheers!

Why does it have to say Kenobi vs a more Star Wars like title?

Hey mate,

I only wrote these versions based upon what other people in this thread have asked about. Please take a look a few pages back, where Anjohan was asking people about what title to use for the edit.

For my own edit, I’ll come up with a completely different title!

Sirius said:

Phase3 said:

For anyone who is going to do their own fan edit, I’ve made a simple new opening crawl, which I have sent to Anjohan, who has said to me that it’ll be included as a separate file for anyone who wishes to use it. 😃

I have done 3x opening crawls, and each crawl has a different movie title:
1a Kenobi.
1b Kenobi A Star Wars Story.
1c Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Please note that I’ve done these in the same style as the main movies Episodes I-VI, and not in the style seen in ‘Rogue One’ or the Kenobi TV series.
There is also a camera pan down to Tatooine, plus a ‘fan edit’ information screen and opening fanfare & title cards etc.

Cheers!

Hmm, good to know! What’s the text of the crawl?

Hey mate,

I’ll send you a PM with what I’ve written. 😃

Cheers,

For anyone who is going to do their own fan edit, I’ve made a simple new opening crawl, which I have sent to Anjohan, who has said to me that it’ll be included as a separate file for anyone who wishes to use it. 😃

I have done 3x opening crawls, and each crawl has a different movie title:
1a Kenobi.
1b Kenobi A Star Wars Story.
1c Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Please note that I’ve done these in the same style as the main movies Episodes I-VI, and not in the style seen in ‘Rogue One’ or the Kenobi TV series.
There is also a camera pan down to Tatooine, plus a ‘fan edit’ information screen and opening fanfare & title cards etc.

Cheers!

GLogus said:

I have a problem, generally, with how Kenobi is routinely made to look like in idiot. Up until this series, Kenobi was highly competent, thoughtful, intelligent, stoic, level-headed, steadfast, and reliable. He retains some of this in the new series, but his character is wildly inconsistent from scene to scene. My problem with the scene you are referring to, is that neither Obi-Wan nor Leia are being true to their actual characters. Leia is often presented as an adult in a child’s body, and Kenobi is often depicted as a clueless, bumbling idiot. I don’t remember the details of this scene that well, but I remember thinking it was pretty cringe for that reason.

Agreed! This seems to be the Disney method of writing, which can be seen in their other series too.
In “The Book Of Boba Fett”, we get ‘dumb Boba / smart Fennec’, in this series, Disney have gone too far in making Obi-Wan look lost, weak and pathetic. Instead of showing a man who has suffered trauma, with the associated mental and emotional health issues that go along with that, Disney have pushed it a bit too far – Obi-Wan in this series is nothing like what we have seen in the original films I-VI.

DZ-330 said:

You could cut the whole swimming scene and go directly to the stormtrooper opening the door and Obi-Wan choking him out. You can assume he’s wet from being in the “sewers”.

Order the scenes as:

• Obi confronts Haja
• Obi in the streets
• Random creatures
• Elevator
• Imperials monitoring the computers
• Stormtrooper opening door and Obi’s: "I’m in’

This will also help to explain why he didn’t have to swim back with Leia.

Shorten Haja’s dialogue to Obi in the streets:
“Alright if it’s the sewers you want there’s only one place to go. I’ll buy you as much time as I can.”

Let’s not have Haja spell out his “making amends” intentions to the audience like we’re too dumb to understand.

Edit: Haja is a Jedi fanboy. Of course he wants to help a real one.

This is fantastic!
The removal of Haja saying “taking a break”, as well as “making amends” would be great editing choices, as Obi-Wan didn’t ask Haja for that information, so including it at that point in the movie would be unnecessary exposition.

Anjohan:
I’m not sure if this has been talked about before - I’ve not seen it mentioned yet (not that I remember!): the Disney Lightsabers make a few sparks when they hit each other, as opposed to the brief white flashes seen in the original Star Wars movies.
Is this something that can be corrected, so that the Lightsabers match what is seen throughout Episodes I-VI?

Anjohan said:

Video Update - The Full Escape [Beta ? ]

https://streamable.com/afhtpd

-> (Re-)Added Intercom Dialogue with Haja, and some new dialogue to create some character growth and motivation.
-> Added shadows and enviorement interaction to and from door, in the escape part (at the end).
-> a lot more.

This is great! It sells the idea that the rescue takes place all on the one planet.

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

This is really great!
Anjohan: I hope that you use this in your edit! 😉

Broom Kid said:

I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.

Basically, duel starts as normal, when we get to the part where Obi-Wan tries to topple a pillar and Vader catches it, throws it at him, cut to the 2nd half of the fight where Ben is out of the hole, they clash again, Obi-Wan throws him, then throws all the rocks at him and cuts his helmet half off. They talk, Obi-Wan says “Goodbye, Darth” and then after Vader screams “Obi-Wan” then have him slap the ground and send him into the hole?

It’d be tricky (aside from shaving some shots down carefully and re-using one or two from earlier in the duel - and might necessitate generating sparks from the helmet and/or some head replacement of cracked helmet Vader) but it honestly seems like that’s how the fight SHOULD go. Vader literally “leaves” Obi-Wan (When I left you…) and thinks he’s dead, and walks off. Obi-Wan escapes with nobody knowing he’s gone and heads back to Tatooine to watch over Luke (who is in that vision that inspires him to push all the rocks out of the way and jump out of the hole)

Once he’s out of the hole just cut to the ship leaving the planet.

This is such a great suggestion, one which I will try out for my own edit!

Obi-Wan left Vader for dead in ROTS, and now Vader can do the same here.

21C Peasant said:

A minor thought:

When Vader says, “Prepare my ship”, it reminds me too much of Kylo. I’d prefer “Prepare my shuttle”, possibly taking “shuttle” from ESB.

To me, that just sounds way more Vader.

That’s what I thought too! “Shuttle” sounds far more appropriate.

Anjohan said:

So, what about Reeva?

Her entire story in EP 6 is CUT. Not because I hate her character (although I am not fond of it), but simply because her story fit the series format but definitely not the film format I am going for. This is really the story about Obi-Wan overcoming his grief and truma, something that becomes very obvious when you trim the fat and the cringe and pace the film into a working film format. In a series format Reeva has her place, even if her place is forced into the story, but in this film and definitely in the climax parts of it she does not belong at all. Although she is in the film, her presence is only granted when it serves the story.

I’m so glad to hear this! Reva during episodes 1-4 was ruthless and angry; Disney ruined the character with the weak “redemption arc” nonsense. Why can’t Disney let villains be villains?

Oh and since when did Lightsabers no longer kill people? It seems that the Disney Lightsabers give little more than flesh wounds. Both the Grand Inquisitor and Reva survived being stabbed in the stomach…what poor writing this is…The whole “revenge does wonders for one’s will to live” line is utter nonsense. Why can’t Disney let characters die?

Obi-Wan not killing off Vader in the final episode was…odd.

Anjohan: your most recent video updates for the final episode look and sound great, especially the third video! Going from leaving Vader behind, to Alderaan is a fine choice!

Is there a way to cut the episodes so that at the end of episode 5, the refugees depart the planet, Obi-Wan leaves the ship to confront Vader, and the refugees jump into hyperspace? As in: remove the “chase” (and I use the term lightly) with the Star Destroyer altogether? Not using the tractor beam, not sending out TIE Fighters, and not simply blasting the starship into oblivion makes no sense at all.
Removing this chase would remove the more silly aspects of episode 6; just cut to the important stuff:
Reva’s fate is unknown (presumably dies) / The people escape / Obi-Wan leaves the starship / Obi-Wan confronts Vader / Goes to see Leia / Goes to see Luke.

Or: what if Obi-Wan doesn’t leaves Jabiim with the refugees at all? As in:
Reva’s fate is unknown (presumably dies) / Obi-Wan asks the fake Jedi to take Leia home / Obi-Wan stays behind / The people escape & jump to hyperspace / Obi-Wan confronts Vader / Goes to see Leia / Goes to see Luke.

Furthermore, is it possible to only have 1x kidnapping with 1x rescue of Leia, as opposed to 2x of each? It reeks of bad writing to have two of every event happening!

What do you think?