PaulisDead2221

One of these, man:

No joke.  Don't disregard this advice.

lordjedi said:

auraloffalwaffle said:

lordjedi said:

That's the other thing I didn't like, the way he acted during the Kobayashi Maru.  Did he really need to sit there eating an apple acting like it was nothing?  They could've at least had him pretend like he didn't know what was going on.

 

Uh...

[THINKS]

... never mind...

What?  Were you thinking back to that scene and realizing how lame it was or were you thinking back to it and recalling something I missed?  In all honesty, when I was watching it, all I could think of was "Arrogant much?"  It was his third time taking the test, we're informed that nobody takes it even twice, and there he is acting like everything's hunkey dorey.  I guess I should've said that they could've at least make him look like he didn't know what was going to happen, when it's obvious he clearly did.  At least that way it wouldn't have been so obvious that he cheated too.

 

I believe the scene in its current form is meant to incorporate elements of this concept in order to illicit a formed reaction of this substance from the audience.

zee944 said:

Wait... you mean ALL the work you've done with this project so far is GONE? Painting light sabres, layering stars in and out, color correcting, removing yitter, and a lot of other things in the past 2 or 3 years I can't even remember, all for nothing?

Well I didn't paint any lightsabers.  I tried to bring back the stars for the opening shot.  Color correcting was all about trying to tweak it from the histogram functions in avisynth.  I don't know what yitter is.  All I was doing (and had to do about ten times over and over again) was edit in the non-CGI shots, mix HD/GOUT elements when possible, try to get the avisynth automatic color correction function working, collecting audio, making my own mix, and of course try and export the project so I could see how I was doing (this I never could get to not fail during the encoding process).  It was lame, but yes all that is gone.  Any one attempt never took any more than a few weeks before I hit an insurmountable wall.

Again, an edit like this only takes a few weeks.  It was running into territory where I didn't know what i was doing that was the problem (ie manual color correction, trying to correct a couple lightsaber shots).  I will try again when new source material presents itself.

chris1712 said:

Great news that your coming back to up the bar again. Hopefully these new releases will appear just after my exams finish, and I can really relax with some glorious HD star wars :p.

When you say Blu-Ray format, are we talking full 50gb (or thereabouts) m2ts h264 releases? Amazing. I'll end up mkv'ing them myself due to storage constraints, but regardless I really can't wait.

 

Keep up the good work! Be sure to post the NZB when they're done :p.

 

EDIT: I notice in the empire samples currently up on usenet, the AR is incorrect? Well, by that I mean its a 16:9 encode with black bars to make a 2.20:1 letterbox. I assume this will be fixed in the final release? No point encoding that extra res, waste of bandwidth surely? And it could be a pain for those with anamorphic projector setups.

Blu-ray standards are 16:9.  If this were a basic internet release then the letterboxing should be cut, but it's not.  Incorrectly letterboxed Blu-rays will appear stretched vertically on the screen.

I'm sorry to say this project is being put on the down low for awhile.  A number of things happened that, once again, have disheartened me from finishing.  I've done the same editing maybe 20 times since I was a Senior in high school because projects either get stuck or disappear and the whole thing needs to be started from scratch.  It's stupid, I know.  On the editing side a project like this should take a few weeks max.  I was actually restarting completely about a month ago, using Sony Vegas, but somehow ran into a software issue there too (fancy that).  I'm waiting on WG version as a possible source.  I'd like to see the quality difference between the 9 gig sources I was using and the 50 gig source he'll be providing.

I tried to find my 77 theatrical preservation, but found out all the files for it somehow got deleted during a reinstall of Windows.  I looked at one of the preliminary mixes I made, but there are numerous mixtakes that make it unusable.  I have to start from scratch there too.  Also lost during the reinstall was every soundtrack provided to me by one of the members of the board (belbucus' stuff).

All this, and college too right?  My attention has also had to shift slightly as I've gone into pre-production on a self financed independent film.  It's hard to say whether this project might, after nearly three damn years, might be considered vaporware.  But I'm going to wait to see WG release and see if I can use that as a starting point and try once again.

To answer your questions though:

1. Yes.  And the 2004 source is good for shots with hard-coded subtitles in frame, like the Greedo scene, so I can put in subtitles that better match the theatrical release.

2. Yes the 6 channel source is from the laserdisc 5.1 soundtrack for the 1997 SE.  It sounds wonderful.

Where will these be posted?  Should I go sign up for newsgroups?

As Davnes007 explained, when you get rid of grain, you get rid of a bunch of small details in the picture that existed with it.  DNR can become very noticeable.  Go to Blu-ray.com and see how they feel about DNR.

The tint on the DVDs seems to me like it's coming from the source material.  A bunch of 70mm scans came up once and they all matched the coloring of the DVDs.  The Tantive walls were blue, the Death Star was green.  It just seems like a lack of color correction on the part of Lucasfilm.

When does your story take place?

Hey who did Jar Jar's new voice again?  The lower class British accent version?  The more I hear it the more I like it, and I think rerecording it could be very simple.  The problems I'm hearing now I think are because the mic line is too high, so its catching the hum of the computer and what-not.  the mic recording level needs to be greatly diminished and actor proximity increased.  I think we'll get a clean recording that way.  I'm sorry if this was already discussed, but whoever our Jar Jar is, try getting together a sample with the recording level down and closer proximity.

And alright Josh....MAAAAYBE I'll break out the cantina scene for you guys, but this week's been my first chance to give much more than a passing glance at the edit.  Maybe I'll snag it for you.

We're in desperate need for some ambient noise in some of the indoor coruscant scenes.  The trouble I'm having is I don't know where I could get a decent aeriel traffic loop for a sci fi movie.  I was thinking the fifth element, but I don't have it on dvd, anyone have access to the isolated rear channels of the fifth element during some of the outdoor traffic scenes for an ambient loop?

Wookie Groomer said:

I'm working on new mega bitrate color adjusted BluRays of the saga. I'm trying to kick them up to notches unknown as far as quality and presentation so stay tuned... Start saving your pennies for BD-50 disks!

They're still broadcast quality though, is there much of a difference to be had by encoding to 50 GB discs?  It would be very fine to see the HD versions as uncompressed as possible, but they're still broadcast quality HD.  I'm just wondering how much noise and encoding artifacts are inherent in the original capture.  And a bitrate that simply matches the broadcast streaming bitrate would probably look as good as the hdtv source ever can, right?

This is still a very exciting project though.  You have my forum subscription.  :)

School.  I kinda thought community college was going to be easier than it really turned out (I guess I'm in a "good" community college, lolz).  Once Spring break comes around I was thinking of finally shelling this one out.  I made a promise to Trooperman's project too, and I can't let that project down either.  Haha, can't believe I put so much on the damn plate here, but we'll see how things turn out when the quarter finally ends, and I'm only working pretty much every day, rather than working pretty much every day and going to school on days I'm off.

Anyway, so don't worry about it.  The good news is that I got the '77 theatrical surround "preservation" done.  I just need to reinstall Premiere to go get it.

Trooperman said:

Josh said:

Good to hear from you Tropperman.

I really hope that the moonlight scene is kept, as changing it back would change YOUR MOVIE! 

Well, first of all it's mostly Paul's movie now.  Secondly, we're not talking about going back to the original, we're talking about redoing the colors in some scenes with my intent, but doing it better than I did it.  The balcony scene will still be at night, and the funeral will still be at sunset.  It'll just look more convincing.

 

Thanks for the interest though:)

 

Whoah, you're on the more convincing day-for-night stuff right?  Cause I'm just hear to add soundfx and clean up the editing :( .  As evidenced by my now 2 year old and nothing to show for it vintage edit of star wars, my skills are a little lacking in the color correction department.

I personally really like the rerendered Coruscant shots (of course couldn't make a decision like that without TM's final approval).  But I'd like to see more.  They look more like Star Wars instead of the Fifth Element the way AOTC does.  Does the way you color graded Coruscant preserve skin tones?  Or do they turn out like the Mace Windu shot?

Okay, video editing looks fine.  I finally got past my initial software issues.  I was just prepared to completely give up, when an unrelated issue with some other software coerced me into reformatting the whole damn thing.  I then reinstalled all the necessary programs, and now we're in flavor country, and all the project files have successfully opened.  It took longer than it should have.

Anyway, video looks fine.  There's going to need to be some changes in terms of a couple of scenes.  The only one that comes to mind is the day for night parts that didn't really work out in the end.  But I'll ask TM before I do anything like that.  I tossed in a couple of explosions where they were missing in the first part to whet the ol' whistle a little bit, and tweaked the mix a bit.  I think I'm used to Vegas now and can move more quickly in the future.

I can tell it's definitely mostly done already, though I think a lot might be missing in terms of ambient effects, then again, maybe they're just too quiet, it's hard to find on the project timeline exactly what is what still, you know? TM, how much did you do in terms of ambient fx for scenes?

Hey, anybody who likes sound editing, particulary building atmospheres, there's a way you can help make this go faster, just putting that out there ;).  PM me if interested.

PS I didn't expect school to take over as hard as it did, but I know TM, being at a real university (rather than my little CC...), could never have made the time for this poor thing.  But with the bulk of the real work seeming to be done, I can concentrate enough energy.  Don't worry, and if anyone likes building atmospheres, you can help move this a little faster while I'm sitting here "doing homework" (I know, lame right?)

PSS, I...could post a clip...but wouldn't that ruin it? :(

Oh, helpful :)

So do I want to resize? or pad?  Just wondering whether there'll be distortion on a standalone or not.

Hey let me know if you figure out that mod16 crap from megui.  I seem to get it no matter what resolution i plug in.

Hmm.  That's weird.  Which ones?

 

Right now, all of them.  It's a registry thing going on.  I'm going to install Vegas again, hopefully get a clean install this time.  The projects were converting fine until project five, now they all give me this registry error.  It's okay I'll "pick up" a "better" copy of Vegas once demonoid is back online. [EDIT] Okay never mind, I cleaned the gunk out of the mouse, turned the monitor on and off, and it fixed itself.

I'll take care of that.  Just use the original purple clips for now.  We can splice the effects shots into the MPEG at the very end if we need to. 

If when you finish these you just want to encode the lightsaber matte, specifying the shot and what not, I can layer them over the clip, then if it gets upgraded to HD it wouldn't be a drop in quality for those shots.  Or if it doesn't get upgraded to HD then it doesn't matter.

Yep.  I definitely wouldn't try that until the end.  When I first brought it up I wasn't actually talking about encoding it in HD, I was thinking that if we swap out the DVD source with the HD source where possible, it'll make a lot of those shots that I cropped for framing look a LOT better.  But you would still do a final encode in DVD resolution...otherwise we would have to redo the opening crawl, redo the lightsabers, etc.  I definitely wouldn't worry about it now....

Well I'd like to see what we could get out of it if we tried.  The opening crawl and lightsaber mattes will look just fine matted on top of the HD I think.  The crawl I can isolate by chroma-keying out space and the stars, and layer that on top of the HD starfield from the HD.  I did the same thing for my Star Wars edit, although the excessively bad quality of the source didn't work so good going into the distance, but yours will probably look okay.  Maybe HD was too far a stretch, especially with the other footage mixed in, but I have a copy of it on my hard drive if I can make it work, but it seems like we're moving toward no.  It's alright, maybe when we get to ROTS things will change. :)

Yes, we need a couple lines from Sluggo and MTHaslett.  I think I told you which lines in the "readme," if not let me know.  Also, Octorox would like to help out (with Jar-Jar maybe) but one of us needs to send him sample dialogue.

Sample dialogue?  We may have to PM about that.  I'll read the readme again for details.

I was going to spend some time converting the projects to Vegas 8, and then to HD.  I realized the conversion to HD was going to be tougher than I thought.  Trooperman had an idea that I thought would work, but it will take some time to get perfect.  I'm concentrating on audio at the moment.  The only problem is there is a lot of audio missing.  Trooperman has almost a gig of audio that was on another drive when he copied his hard drive to mine.  I am assuming most of the missing audio is there, and I'm sending him lists to see.  I am also seeing an issue with a project file or two not converting to Vegas 8.  I can't install the old version of Vegas because for some reason it requires me to install version 1.1 of the Microsoft NET framework--Don't ask me.  So hopefully Trooperman will have the strength to finish off work what appears to be only a couple "sections" of the film.  I'll have to ask him.

So, with that in mind, what was the general agenda before Trooperman had to duck out?  Was there anything that needed to get done from anyone except the editor?  I know for a fact I won't be able to do any of the rotoscoping for Mace Windu's lightsaber that is still left.  Besides that, was there much more than audio left to work on?  Whoever made the crawl might have to do it again in HD, or if they're not available anymore, we need somebody to take up the challenge.

I'll really start setting to work and getting our priorities straight today and tomorrow.  This will go much better if we all pull together like I know this thread has been doing from the start, and I hope discussion can continue to relate to getting the project done and problem solving, and not questions about whether or not it'll be done soon (not pointing at anybody, I know there hasn't been activity on this thread for awhile).

Alright, I'll see about getting that missing audio list done.  That's my task right now.

P.S. I bolded certain points to make clear the tasks that need to be done for me and everybody.

mrbenja0618 said:

Now for my woes....

I edit on Adobe Premiere; have for many moons; but now want to chunk everything Adobe (except after effects)

Why you ask? Because I am now on my THIRD RENDER, because I keep getting an "Error compiling movie" message. I have PLENTY of drive space... I even bought a 500 GB yesterday.... I've rendered to HUFFYuv and Lagarith with the same result.. Now I'm going for a full res, just straight uncompressed AVI, and then I'll re-render in AE... Granted I don't get another error message... If it happens again; I have no clue what to do...

If anyone else knows what I can do; I might not have to start over....Ugh.

Yeah Premiere's getting on my nerves too.  Try what Adywan said about exporting in pieces, but if you don't have Vegas, avisynth has a splice together function you can use to bring them all together into one .avs file, and bring that into megui.  That'd probably be the most straightforward.

[edit]

Vegas can do it without re-rendering?  is it like a muxer ady?

Possessed said:

 Could someone post the histograms again? All the links are dead. Since this project seems to have died, I'd just like to briefly colour correct it to an extent to tide me over until Ady's gets released.

https://download.yousendit.com/bVlBUGhhUEMrV3pIRGc9PQ

This edit has been done for somewhere around three years.  I'm doing in HD after I'm done with Star Wars and after I've finished Trooperman's edit.  Adywan's AVC HD Empire Strikes Back was posted on demonoid a month ago.  I'll decide what projects I'm working on and when.  Thanks for your concern.

negative1 said:

again,

i'm #&*$&#*$&(# giving in, (selling out,etc)

today, we're going out to buy one of the higher end samsung BD players,

and some discs...along with the 52inch tv...

we won't have our sound system installed yet..

but i plan on giving the blu-ray player a big workout, and see HOW well

it performs, its quirks, etc..... should be interesting to jump into a new format..

(of course, since i'm not paying for it, i can try to be more impartial to it, i hope)..

 

later

-1

Awesome.  I got a 23 inch lcd for my comp this christmas.  Then, after an impulsive whim, I went and got an LG blu-ray drive too (there was just something about holding the DVD version of Batman in my hands for 20 minutes that made me think..."fuck it!").  I needed a new videocard, but a got a supremely badass one.  I've been watching blu-rays for a few days now.  Simply love it.  I have my friends over, and we all toss on headphones and watch HD movies.  Pretty tight.

I got the blu-ray drive for only $120.  I know it's just a drive and not a player, but it's definitely a great addendum to my system.  And for a little over a hundred, it seems like a good sign concerning prices, at least in some aspect.

Hey, negative1, what movies you getting? :)

When starting a new project in premiere, go to audio, and under master track select 5.1.  Then open with six mono tracks and no stereo or 5.1 tracks.  When the project is opened, label each of the six mono tracks with the appropriate labels: c, l, r, sl, sr, lfe.  Go to "audio mixer" under the "window" tab.  There you will see your 6 mono tracks, each with its own 5.1 panning control, with a little dot indicating where in the mix the mono channel is.  They all start in the center.  Drag each dot for each mono track into its appropriate slot.  The LFE you put in the middle.  Separate the decoded .ac3 from your DVD and import each .wav separately.  Drop the appropriate channel into the appropriate track.  When exporting, go to "export audio" and encode the file as an uncompressed 5.1 wav.  You then can take the 5.1 wav into whatever program you like for .ac3 (like Besweet or AC3Encoder) and finish it off there.

Thanks for the encouragement.

I should get together a "cast list" of everyone who might need to rerecord some of their stuff.  I'm still not sure what might need to be redone.  I haven't had a chance to start editing yet (I get a DEM error when I try to open a project file, figure I just need to reinstall Vegas).  But I'd like to know who's who, because I'm sure some of the ADR can't be saved at this point.  Some of the recordings have issues with room noise.  In some recordings, I can hear the hum of the actor's computer as he was recording dialog.  Sometimes people just need more feeling :)!

To open the thread back up to some discussion, I should know what's been discussion protocol in this thread the past 78 pages.  If I, say, felt some lines needed to be rerecorded for the reasons listed above, is that something I do through PM?  Or do I just post right here?  Thanks.

Yeah.  Hey nobody out there wants to paint a lasermatte for the opening shot do they?  Oh things would go so much faster :)

Nice of you to think of me :)

I'm working on the opening shot when I can, then I think I'm done.  After editing I just need to get an encode to not fail.  Once I get my machine cleared of conflicting codecs, it should work.

School was sucking majorly.  One class was "voluntarily" 12 hours long, meeting twice a week.  This with work and trying to apply to a school that isn't this damn community college, it got rough.  I'm trying to do a bunch of stuff during winter break, and this is one of them.

The surround mix is also nearly completed.  Most everything has been reverted to its pre-1997/pre-1993 surround sound glory.  I just need to finish off the battle of Yavin.

[sigh] anyway, I thought a Christmas release might happen, but I know how bad "post editing" always is for me.  I'll see if I can pull it off.