An old one, that many people may not care about, that had major changes is The Searchers.
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews8/the-searchers.htm
There was/is a lot on talk about which is the right color scheme.
Buster D said:
Are the tracks in this thread available for download somewhere? There's quite a few I'd like to check out. Some I already have on LD already, but the synching can be quite a pain.
No not available but if you ask the person who synced the track, they maybe able to help you Buster
zeropc said:
you can add the following titles
hard boiled, the killer, bullet in the head
german pcm mono mix
source: german uncut laserdiscs
input: 16-bit, 44.1khz, bit perfect, pcm
output: 16-bit, 44.1khz, flac
not synced, video captured as well for easier syncing
also includes english pcm on hard boiled and cantonese pcm on bullet in the head
Are the English tracks unsynced like the German, zero?
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Movie: Escape from New York - German soundtrack
Format: PAL german laserdisc [L1269]
Input Soundtrack: PCM 44.1 kHz 16-bit, bit perfect
Output Soundtrack: PCM 48 kHz 16-bit
Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A [link]
Ripped/Synced by: anonymous
Notes: FLAC lossless compressed
For my project, I decided to convert it to AC3 to be in line with the other foreign soundtracks, so I put it online to be downloaded from whom it may concern...
Added, thanks, Andrea
captainsolo said:
On Die Hard, it's mainly guess work. The 1st LD had the presumable 35mm Dolby Stereo mix with different effects and overall different general mixing. This is the same track that is on the THX LD as the digital track and the ac3 2.0 found on the later DVDs. (The first one was a direct LD port, and the later SE 5 star ones are just reworking of those same transfers. I'm pretty sure the 1st and 2nd film BDs also use this same general master, but heavily modified again)
But as far as if the original untouched 70mm version was released, who knows. Presumably the LD 5.1 in both Dolby and DTS versions is this, as would be the DVD iterations as they used the exact same tracks and video masters.
Back from Christmas vacation. Yeah I was on the LDDB and saw this from Disclord which agrees with you:
"BTW, the 70mm 6-track mix for Die Hard was done after the initial 35mm release - Fox wasn't sure of Bruce Willis' box office draw so no 70 prints were made until the first box office results started coming in. It's a beefed up mix compared to the original Dolby Stereo, with different sounds here and there, more aggressive panning to take advantage of the discrete tracks, etc. Grease was the same, with 'late' 70mm prints and a different mix".
I have this laserdisc:
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/10657/1666-80/Die-Hard-(1988)
I'm wondering if it had the old 35mm mix.
bigrob said:
quick question
is there any noticable picture difference between the original and THX remastered release of Die Hard?
i'm hoping someone preserves the 35mm Stereo track from the original LD and couples it with the 5.1 remix that is reportedly based on the 70mm print. Pretty sure Jonno was in the process of capturing the 35mm audio last i heard
Hoping to see this new 4K remastered print at the weekend :)
I have that laserdisc and can preserve it if Jonno doesn't.
Jetrell Fo said:
DoomBot said:
Jetrell Fo said:
I bought them all back when Dtheater tapes were "popular". I still want to get The Ring from ebay.
I do have a D-Theater rip of The Ring on my HD. It looks really nice and I still love the movie. It's a guilty please of mine along with The Grudge series and Ring 2.
How big is the file and is it 1080i?
Unfortunately it is only 9GB in size.
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC Duration : 1h 55mn Bit rate : 9 998 Kbps Width : 1 908 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.202 Stream size : 7.92 GiB (88%) Title : x264-CHD
That's the one I found too
drngr said:
Everything I've read indicates that it's an undisclosed hardware mod, but that is one of the devices that can be modified.
Thanks for the heads up drngr
DoomBot said:
PDB said:
Well happy to say I was wrong and you learn something new everyday. So you can copy DTheather with a work around. I noticed some references to using a Samsung T165, which I have, does anyone know how the exact process works (perhaps PM me)? If I can do it, I can also make a 1:1 copy. I'd like to backup all my tapes.
Does anyone have a list of the decoded tapes? Is one of them The Ring? I wanted to make a copy of that DVHS, since the tape is rumored to have the original theatrical blue color timing vs the Blu-ray's green color timing.
I believe that the D-theater tapes started at 25 GB and ran up to 50 GB and the bitrate maxed out at 28.2 but floated in the mid 20s at a constant bitrate. Alien was probably 25 GB. The back of the tapes lists a AC3, PCM and DTS soundtrack so if accurate you should have that in the TS.
That would be pretty bad ass if you could do a 1:1 copies. Whats the list of movies you have for DTheater?
Sorry for the late response. I have a newborn and she takes a lot of my time lately. I have:
Alien: DC
Die Hard
Fight Club
Man On Fire
Master And Commander
True Lies
X-Men
X2
The JVC Demo Tape
I have Terminator 2 but I can't find it at the moment.
I bought them all back when Dtheater tapes were "popular". I still want to get The Ring from ebay
Well happy to say I was wrong and you learn something new everyday. So you can copy DTheather with a work around. I noticed some references to using a Samsung T165, which I have, does anyone know how the exact process works (perhaps PM me)? If I can do it, I can also make a 1:1 copy. I'd like to backup all my tapes.
Does anyone have a list of the decoded tapes? Is one of them The Ring? I wanted to make a copy of that DVHS, since the tape is rumored to have the original theatrical blue color timing vs the Blu-ray's green color timing.
I believe that the D-theater tapes started at 25 GB and ran up to 50 GB and the bitrate maxed out at 28.2 but floated in the mid 20s at a constant bitrate. Alien was probably 25 GB. The back of the tapes lists a AC3, PCM and DTS soundtrack so if accurate you should have that in the TS.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Sorry, but... what capture? The D-Theater is digital, so it should be a 1:1 rip - like DVD or BD, not a capture like laserdisc or VHS - hence, two tapes should be (theoretically, apart eventual tape errors) identical... am I wrong?
Well with DVDs and Blu-rays, you can put them into a drive on your computer, break the protection (AACS/BD+) and copy 1 for 1 to your hard drive. DVHS is a little harder. If there is no copy protection you can copy a tape via firewire to your hard drive from the DVHS deck, therefore getting a 1 for 1 copy. Unfortunately, D-Theater D-VHS tapes have copy protection in the form of DTCP. The only way to get the information off is to break the copy protection, which to my knowledge DTCP has not been broken, or capture the output. Older decks only have component output but newer ones have HMDI. I have captured the component plenty of times but now with a new computer I can capture the HDMI.
Just got it downloaded last night. Again great job, Andrea
Jetrell Fo said:
PDB said:
Jetrell Fo said:
Alien (Director's Cut - D-Theater + LD soundtracks)
Doombot and I have done preliminary work on this already. We have the D-Theater capture, the home theater DTS audio and the cinema DTS audio already sync'd. The brief D-Theater opening tag left intact. I've watched it and it looks and sounds really great.
I wanted to do a menu and artwork for it but since I have NO skills in these departments it would be great to see something special for it. Maybe even something that incorporates the D-Theater artwork as a nod.
:)
Wow, that is beyond bizarre. I was going to capture my Alien DVHS tape and do the same thing, now that I have a new computer. I'm glad its in the hands of more capable people then me. Good luck guys!
I am hoping you'd still consider doing a HQ capture of this ..... it would be nice to have a second one to draw from if other things are needed in the future.
I can still capture my copy. When are you looking to finish? I was planning to do this over the Holidays
Jetrell Fo said:
Alien (Director's Cut - D-Theater + LD soundtracks)
Doombot and I have done preliminary work on this already. We have the D-Theater capture, the home theater DTS audio and the cinema DTS audio already sync'd. The brief D-Theater opening tag left intact. I've watched it and it looks and sounds really great.
I wanted to do a menu and artwork for it but since I have NO skills in these departments it would be great to see something special for it. Maybe even something that incorporates the D-Theater artwork as a nod.
:)
Wow, that is beyond bizarre. I was going to capture my Alien DVHS tape and do the same thing, now that I have a new computer. I'm glad its in the hands of more capable people then me. Good luck guys!
Ok, so I pulled all the soundtracks from Raiders' DVD and BD and Temple's DVD and BD.
Here are the rear surrounds for Raiders DVD then BD:
Looking at the DVD the rear surrounds are almost mono (slight variations, maybe from the mixing) which wound be in keeping with the original 70mm mix having mono surrounds. Surprisingly the Blu-ray also looks mono but remixed, probably for more impact.
Here are the rear surrounds for Temple's DVD then BD:
So it looks like Temple's DVD and Blu-ray soundtracks are the same, at least for the rears. Again I don't know if this is from the original 70mm mix but it looks like the rears are mono also fro what its worth.
And last here is Die Hard on Blu-ray:
which surprisingly looks mono also similar to the 70mm. I will have to try to capture the LD to compare.
IcePrick said:
I saw a theatrical screening of Die Hard a couple of days ago (digital, not film), and when I sampled the BD afterwards, the sound mix on the BD, to me, sounded different from the sound mix I heard in the theater. That's why I'm interested in comparing the 70mm mix (or the 35mm mix) to the BD mix.
let me see what I can do about that .
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
@PDB, about Indiana Jones trilogy soundtrack captures: are they bit-perfect, and perfectly in sync with the Blu-ray versions? I ask because when I worked with Halloween, even if video from laserdisc was frame-by-frame identical to Blu-ray, audio was not... I had to work hard to reach near-perfection sync (read: around ±8.5ms, half ntsc field)... so, if you did all the hard work, I'd like to profit about it and use them for my next Indiana Jones trilogy project... (^^,) if you agree, of course!
Sure anything I can do to help in one of your projects Andrea. The soundtracks are bit perfect and as for in sync, I believe they are. I'm OCD (read: obsessive) and if I recall Temple took 120 edits to get in sync and Raiders took 100. I spent a long time trying to get it as perfect as possible (Which it never can be). If you want i can send both the synced and unsynced soundtracks and you can decide.
Pretty sure the Die Hard Blu-ray is a remix for the 5.1 and the surrounds are now stereo but I will pull the soundtrack off tonight and check. The Blu-ray also has a 2.0 AC3 which is most likely the Dolby Stereo.
I'm going to pull Temple also and see if the DVD has mono surrounds.
IcePrick said:
Anybody know where I can get the original sound mix for Die Hard?
Which mix are you talking about: the 35mm mix or the 70mm mix? Both are on laserdisc. The first widescreen LD has the Dolby Stereo 35mm mix and the first widescreen AC3 disc has the 5.1 70mm mix with mono surrounds. I have both but only the Dolby Stereo/Surround capture at the moment not the AC3.
captainsolo said:
Also been mad busy with a new job. Nice to see this thread still going along.
I'm curious about those analog tracks from the Uni Monster VHS tapes, as I've long wanted to do a comparison between LD, VHS and the 99 DVDs. Also the Discovision releases are supposed to use nitrate materials and different audio sources.
ROTLA was confirmed to use the original 70mm 6 track audio as the basis of the DVD 5.1, but nothing was ever said about TOD or LC. However, in comparing these they all lose something in the remix, LC comes across as the least different, as it was the least aggressive.
The biggest loss is in the mixing which as we have said is extremely aggressive on TOD, but is also interestingly open sounding on LC. (Something to do with the "designed in a THX theater" credit perhaps?) Most notable is the sound panning across channels in ROTLA and TOD which is gone in the remix.
Well I'd like to do a preservation of Frankenstein/Dracula from every source since every video format seems to have slightly different audio. Love to get the disco vision soundtracks also. Captain solo are the LDs any different then the 99s or the high def?
I will pull TOD's DVD 5.1 and see if the surrounds are mono. If I recall from other threads here at OT only Crusade has stereo/split surrounds. If they are mono then it is a safe bet that it was mastered from the 70mm.
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
Movie: Halloween (isolated score & effects track)
Format: Laserdisc CC1399L (Criterion CAV)
Input Soundtrack: analog Mono laserdisc soundtrack
Output Soundtrack: PCM 1.0 Mono 48 kHz, 16-bit
Synced To: 35th Anniversary Blu-ray
Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_
Notes: syncronized using only AviSynth; discrepancies should be less than +/- 8.5ms (half NTSC field)
You could find it here.
Added!
I was working on The Goonies' PCM Dolby Stereo but there was an error and I will have to recapture. So in the meantime I'm finishing the Indy Trilogy by doing Last Crusade. Last Crusade doesn't seem too dynamically different then the Blu-Ray unlike Raiders and Temple did, but I will complete for the sake of thoroughness.
Eventually, I will also do the Raiders DVD's AC3 soundtrack and sync it to the Blu-ray. The AC3 track was mastered from the original 70mm tracks with a mono surround where as the BD's have a remix split/stereo surround. Does anyone know if Temple is the same? I know Last Crusade has split/stereo surround on the original 70mm.
crissrudd4554 was nice enough to provide me with Dracula's and Frankenstein's analog soundtrack from the VHS. Frankenstein is notable for have the censored soundtrack. I think it is nice to preserve this for historic sake. I want to sync those and the 1999 DVD soundtracks to the new Blu-rays
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
PROJECT RELEASED!
This time I added at the beginning a video logo and a disclaimer - as separate file, of course; the movie has the BD chapters, and maybe I will work to a BD cover... next step (for future projects): BD menus.
ENJOY!
That's great. Can't wait to download it. Thanks for all the work Andrea
Put me down for $20, money is tight but I want to see this print get scanned.
Hey Aluminum Falcon, Bavaleone got the audio from me, I ripped it from my LD and it is bit perfect.
Added Andrea and thanks for keeping this thread alive. I've been busy and I'm glad someone is still syncing soundtracks. Hoping to get back to it soon.