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Lil Brutto said:

I came across something very interesting last night. The US theatrical trailer included on the 1990 MGM laserdisc is unique to this home release. It is from a different source than the other laserdisc releases (1993 box set, 1998) as well as the DVDs and BDs. The sky was still blue in this print (i.e. MGM took the yellow tint to an extreme on the BD) but overall it has a striking resemblance to the 4K BD, no? 

Pics taken of my TV screen using my phone.

 Just looked that up myself. From my capture of that LD:

LD trailer (top)/LD feature (bottom)

Does look much closer to the 4K but it is a trailer....

Echo3 said:

This forum is about fan edits, and conserving things that arent available on DVD/BluRay.  If theres nothing wrong with a BD presentation of a particular film, then asking for a HD cap would not be in the spirit of the forum.

 Respectfully, this particular (sub) forum is about preservations (there is a different one for fan edits). And if I can speak for Jetrell Fo, he is looking for a different HD master then the BD, which would be for a preservation.

If I have learned one thing with my time on this forum, there can be many, many different HD masters of a movie. Some much better then the BDs. Some with the original colors that where altered on the BD. Some good examples would be Raiders of the Lost Ark, Thief, Night of the Living Dead (90s), the new BD of Scanners, etc. All of those are on Blu-ray.

Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 all have different (older) HD masters that date pre-BDs. Alien and Aliens do look different with color timing similar to the older DVDs. I don't know if Alien Resurrection has one and if it is different/better then the BD but I think that's what Jetrell Fo is looking to find out.

(It also fair to point out that A:R had a few different looks to it in the theaters depending on whether you got a silver print or not...)

I will do my best to get it too

Let me see if I can get them for you Jetrell

NeonBible said:

Does anyone have Magnificent Seven pcm mono?

I have this LD:

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/05223/ML104514/Magnificent-Seven-The/Return-of-the-Seven

but don't have it captured yet

Are these a different/better HD master? I might be able to capture it but not this week.

Buster D said:

How bad is the stereo audio on the Star Trek TNG Blu-rays, aside from it being lossy Dolby Digital instead of lossless or PCM?  I don't notice anything much when I watch the BDs in stereo (only just started Season 2 though), but I believe I've read on Trek Core about the stereo having missing/wrong SFX that matches mistakes on the 7.1 tracks, so I assume that the stereo isn't the original audio, but a downmix or new stereo mix done at the same time as the 7.1.

Most of the "Log" LD boxes can be found pretty cheaply in Japan, maybe I'll try synching one of my favorite episodes and see how long it takes me.

 I'm curious to see what you find Buster D. From what I've seen those TNG BD have a host of problems.

jonlstevenson said:

the original Blade Runner mix is terrible. Granted its original and should be preserved but its not a good mix. Dialog/ADR sounds very terrible 

 Which original version? You talking the US theatrical?

Added to the list:

Movie: Blade Runner - Original Director's Cut

Format: Laserdisc NJL-12682

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect 

Output Soundtrack 1: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Output Soundtrack 2: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To:  2007 Blu-Ray - Original Director's Cut

Ripped/Synced by: Buster D

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. 

SilverWook said:

Stamper said:

Can anyone preserve Dirty Harry original mixes? Mono and stereo. It's on this collection of LDs. The remix is horrible. http://www.lddb.com/search.php?search=dirty+harry&sort=title

 I don't think any of them were originally stereo, except for The Dead Pool.

Look at the back of this LD, and there's a tiny "reprocessed for stereo" credit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dirty-Harry-The-Enforcer-Clint-Eastwood-Laserdisc-LASER-DISC-Warner-Brothers-/221225534976?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item338211c600

Early pan and scan releases might be the best source for the mono, at least for the first film.

 That's my understanding too. That you have to go back a ways to get the original mono.

zeropc said:

Buster D was faster then me... mono mix for jaws has been captured. needs to be synced... i think pdb will take care of it :)

stamper, good point on dirty harry. anyone can help?

 Yep Buster D sent me a copy of Jaws and I'm already hard at work on it.

He also sent me a synced copy of Blade Runner The Director's Cut's PCM tracks in both 44.1 and 48. I will add them to the list when I get them downloaded. Thanks Buster D.

NeonBible said:

Movie: Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) - Theatrical Cut (165mins)

Format: Laserdisc LV6830-2WS

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dual Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack 1: PCM 1.0 Mono 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2011 Blu-ray Release Region A

Ripped/Synced By: Lil Brutto / NeonBible

 Fantastic, thanks NeonBible for that one. Added to the list.

TheHutt said:

kk650 said:

It seems that you and TheHutt are the experts on this film, would either of you be interested in working with me to create a regraded US theatrical cut and US extended cut with mono tracks to make everybody currently angry about the official release having the strong blanket yellow tint and lacking mono with original sound effects happy again?

Well, basically, about the cuts you have to perform to create a US Theatrical Cut, here is a complete analysis:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1622

However, you'd have to bear some points in mind:

- the time indexes specified in this comparison are PAL times (25fps), so you'd have to convert them to 23.976fps. Also, mind the difference of the logo lengths.

- The Cut 1 is an oversight during DVD production and should not be there (ie the scene does not need to be cut). This scene was complete in the 1993 LD / 1998 LD.

- The end of Tuco pistol buying scene is faded to black prior to the Grotto scene in the Extended Edition. The US Theatrical version does not have this fade and cuts directly to the soldiers riding through town. No idea how to fix this one.

- The at the end of cut 10 there is some music which is carried over to the next shot in the Extended Edition. In the Theatrical, there is no music at the beginning of the same shot.

Mike O said:

What about DYS?

Where the FOX releases of the other Leone films (FOD, FAFDM, DYS) downmixes too?

They are all downmixes for the mono. And the fault is with MGM, Fox just puts the discs out that MGM makes.

For anyone living in the Washington DC metro area (Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland, USA). The American Film Institute in Silver Spring is going to running a Sergio Leone retrospective:

http://www.afi.com/silver/films/2014/p67/sergioleone.aspx

http://www.afi.com/silver/films/2014/p67/mariobavacentennial.aspx

For those of you living in the Washington DC metro area (Northern Virginia/Southern Maryland, USA). The American Film Institute in Silver Spring is going to running a 35mm copy of Batman for its 25 Anniversary:

http://www.afi.com/silver/films/2014/p67/totallyawesome80s.aspx

I asked to see if it is a vintage print. Might be a good place to how dark it really is.

borisanddoris said:

I've never heard the mono on the LaserDisc but I can't imagine it being much better.  That 2.0 track on the Blu-ray is phenomenally good.

 You might be right but I'd still prefer to try and sync the lossless track if possible.

zeropc said:

i have jaws signature collection.

jaws mono on bd is dts ;)

 Sorry your right DTS, can you make a copy zero? I would love to sync it.

TheHutt said:

kk650 said:

It seems that you and TheHutt are the experts on this film, would either of you be interested in working with me to create a regraded US theatrical cut and US extended cut with mono tracks to make everybody currently angry about the official release having the strong blanket yellow tint and lacking mono with original sound effects happy again?

Well, basically, about the cuts you have to perform to create a US Theatrical Cut, here is a complete analysis:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1622

However, you'd have to bear some points in mind:

- the time indexes specified in this comparison are PAL times (25fps), so you'd have to convert them to 23.976fps. Also, mind the difference of the logo lengths.

- The Cut 1 is an oversight during DVD production and should not be there (ie the scene does not need to be cut). This scene was complete in the 1993 LD / 1998 LD.

- The end of Tuco pistol buying scene is faded to black prior to the Grotto scene in the Extended Edition. The US Theatrical version does not have this fade and cuts directly to the soldiers riding through town. No idea how to fix this one.

- The at the end of cut 10 there is some music which is carried over to the next shot in the Extended Edition. In the Theatrical, there is no music at the beginning of the same shot.

 Also the cut/fades around the guard post at night before Tuco and Blondie arrive at the mission is difficult to deal with.

In the International cut it fades out to black from the desert after Blondie finds out the name and fades in from black to the mission.

In the extended it fades from the guard post to the mission. No fades to black to make a good cut.

kk650 said:

Okay, the regraded release of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly including TheHutt’s mono audio and the DTS 5.1 track from the blu-ray is now up on tehparadox. 😃

I still need to add the release specs and all the details about TheHutt’s mono track in the release thread but the links are now available.

I kind of ask this every couple of months since I think there is a copy floating around but does anyone have a copy of Jaws in lossless mono (from the LD). The 5.1 is one of the worse remixes ever and the mono on the BD is regular DD not lossless.

I think poita was using mostly 4TB HDDs

kk650 said:

Good news guys, its finished encoding and I just muxed all the tracks together. It was very close, I only had around 200mb of free space left, but it fits on a bd-25. :)

I should have this regraded release of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly with the DTS 5.1 audio from the blu-ray and TheHutt's mono audio up on tehparadox in around 6 hours.

 Glad to hear it kk650!

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Movie: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Format: FRENCH - Blu Ray

Input Soundtrack: DTS 5.1 48 kHz 24-bit 755kbps

Output Soundtrack: DTS 5.1 48 kHz 24-bit 755kbps

Synced To: italian Mondo BD

Ripped/Synced by: _,,,^..^,,,_

Notes: Warning: I used this script to put it in sync, but I still need confirmation of its perfect sync.

 Added and also just finished:

Movie: Jurassic Park

Format: Laserdisc 41829

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack 1: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Output Soundtrack 2: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 448 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2011 (2D) Blu-ray Release Region A

Ripped/Synced By: PDB

May also do the DTS LD of JP next

also know as the rat. Godspeed Eli. 98 is a good run.

poita said:

Anyone who wants to chip in for shipping, contact Lil Brutto, he has put up the total cost of the print itself, we will need a few hundred extra for shipping and once it arrives for scanning, for HDDs to store the scan on.

He will retain ownership of the print itself in this case, so PM him if you are interested in helping with shipping and to sort out the details so we don't clog up the thread with that stuff.

Thanks again to Andrea for negotiating on the ground in Italy.

Yes, fistfull is also an IB TECH, but I don't have any other details on it at the moment.

 Well since The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is my favorite film, all I have to say is thanks guys. Thanks Andrea for negotiating, thanks Lil Brutto for buying the print (I know that set you back a pretty penny) and thanks poita for scanning. I'm truly excited for this. This is why I love this forum. The 4K didn't work out so people came together to come up with their own solution.