PDB

IcePrick said:

Thanks! :D Those Police Story monos would be nice. What are the sources? I have the Deltamac DVDs for Police Story 2 and 3, but not Police Story 1. I have the Dragon Dynasty releases also.

I have the same thing the Delta Macs but you already have them. I think the dd release are true mono and not a downmix so it sounds like you have all the sources I have.

IcePrick said:

If it sounds better than the mono on the Joy Sales disc, then sure, I'll take it. :D I'd also like the Mandarin audio. I've finished an encode of the movie using the HD Echo Bridge transfer, inserting the missing scenes from the upscaled Fortune Star transfer. I just need to add the audio and subtitles.

 I'll PM you when I'm done uploading and send you the whole thing which has both Canto and Mandarin mono. The monos are definitely original since they have that 80's HK zero fidelity sound. The subs are terrible.

I have the Mega-Star (can't find it right now), Delta-Mac, Fortune Star (same as Joy Sales) and the Echo-Bridge HD. The Mega Star and Fortune Star's monos are both mix downs. To my knowledge only the LD (PCM) and Delta Mac have the original mono (DD). 

The other great thing about the Delta Macs is they have the original color timing. When Fortunes Star remastered the Golden Harvest movies they removed all the blue and yellow filters (a hallmark of 80s HK film making). This still has the blue filters.

IcePrick are you still looking for the Police Story monos also? I have those also just not from LD.

IcePrick said:

Does anyone have the original Cantonese mono mix of Armour of God in good quality? Not sure if it was ever released on Laserdisc.

 Sadly, I don't have the LD. I do have the Deltmac DVD that has the original mono but Dolby Digital form. Don't know if that helps you, IcePrick.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

What about to start a brand new thread, "The Laserdisc Audio Preservation Thread"?

 That would most likely be redundant. Although I intended this thread to be from all sources, VHS, CED, DVD, etc. I knew that the bread 'n butter would be laserdisc. That's where most of the interesting soundtracks (Dolby Stereo/Surround, Mono, etc) would come from. Of the 43 tracks that are synced:

1 is from a Blu-ray

1 is from a mix of sources (but mostly from a LD)

2 are from Cinema DTS CD-ROMs 

and the the remaining 39 are from laserdiscs. So of all the preservations, 90% are LDs. There is a laserdisc preservation thread, this is it. :)

IcePrick said:

Does anyone have the PCM mono audio for Enter the Dragon?

 Sadly been looking for that one also. No luck so far

digitalfreaknyc said:

ElectricTriangle said:

digitalfreaknyc said:
No offense but that's like saying you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an mp3 and a CD. And that's just dumb.

 Actually, most available testing shows that people can't tell the difference between a proper, high-bitrate mp3 and a CD. The difference is usually a placebo or a poorly encoded or low bitrate mp3.

Of course, I would much rather have a CD then an mp3 album, simply because it's more versatile, and I can rip to the format of my choice (vorbis!).

If you don't think there's a difference or don't really care about it, then I think you're on the wrong forum...and surely in the wrong thread.

 Agreed

Thanks again Hutt! I'm muxing it with my Mondo disc right now.

Dammit! Well I don't blame you for pulling the plug Lil Brutto. That sucks.

Poita is that 16mm an IB and anamorphic?

ilovewaterslides said:

Awesome news poita!!! 

I would love to see the scene where Luke and Owen are buying the droids or the binaury sunset would also be awesome!

Thanks ;) 

 I second the sunset

Looks different to that trailer. Seems to be pretty close to the MGM 4K. That's a disappointment.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Has the soundtrack from this LD release ever been captured?

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06718/8760-85/Alien-%281979%29

I believe Jonno did this one as I believe it's source is the 70mm.  Funny, I just watched my copy of this today on the 55inch.  Jonno did a 70mm recreation and a DD from the soundtrack.  I have both put since it isn't the DC it may not synch.

We do have a special surprise coming for this release but I won't say anything about it until I get it myself.

;)

IIRC I did it... but my memory doesn't serve me so well lately, so maybe I'm wrong... or not?!? (^^,)

 Its on my big audio list that you did it Andrea

I'm interested. I have both the HDDVD and BD but the best from both worlds and the DVD would be great. Especially with the cinema dts.

lightsabre said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Search in the whole forum (replace term1 term2 with your terms):

https://www.google.it/search?q=site%3Aoriginaltrilogy.com%2Fforum+term1+term2

Search only in thread titles (replace term1 term2 with your terms):

https://www.google.it/search?q=site%3Aoriginaltrilogy.com%2Fforum+allintitle%3Aterm1+term2

Project lists (not comprehensive, but a very good start point):

Star Wars
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Project-Index-Star-Wars-Preservation-and-Other-Projects/topic/2450/

other projects
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Project-Index-Other-Preservations-and-Fan-Projects/topic/11159/

 there are some copy & paste problems with the link, e.g. when I seach for "alien" in title (term1) then google gives me the search result

site:originaltrilogy.com/forum allintitle:alien

and no results at all.

 Perhaps you should ask in the forum for the website or off topic

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB n Buster .... any chance the other Star Trek movies on LD are going to have their audio preserved?  That would certainly be most awesome.

Thanks,

Shawn

 Buster D was nice enough to do ST2, ST3 and ST4. Jonno was nice enough to do ST1 and ST2. I have ST6 ripped from the LD but not synced yet. No one has done ST5, I wonder why...:)

Anyway I'm traveling today Shawn but give me a day and I will upload and send you the links.

Also I added Duck, French Connection, Dirty Harry (mono) and Seven to the want list. A few people here have the Duck/Dynamite LD so it would be nice to fix the errors in the DVD/HD's audio.

Buster D said:

PDB said:

Another one from Buster D:

Movie:Star Trek IV

Format: Laserdisc LV 1797-2WS

The product code should actually be PILF-1204.  Sorry about that, I'll have to remember to include all the information next time.

 My fault, I fixed it. Thanks again Buster D

Another one from Buster D:

Movie: Star Trek IV

Format: Laserdisc LV 1797-2WS

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect 

Output Soundtrack 1: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Output Soundtrack 2: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To:  2009 Blu-ray Release Region A/2013 Individual Release

Ripped/Synced by: Buster D

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. 

Duplication

Jonno said:

So it turns out the first two films have had new restorations - I'm going to see them in a double bill tonight:

http://www.picturehouses.co.uk/film/Mad_Max_1_2_Double_Bill/

It will be interesting to see which MM2 colour grading has been used on this DCP - fingers crossed the proper warm tones have also been 'restored'.

 How was it Jonno?

Looks similar to the Mondo with maybe some small color changes and gamma adjustments. This just gets more and more complex (or a mess). I'd take that over the MGM any day of the week, its looks more authentic to the age.

With all the interviews about the 4K restoration. Could they of been in reference to this and the green is all MGMs fault? I ask that since the pics of the Fistful 4K restoration had the same green cast as GBU but maybe that was MGM too.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Jonno said:

In either case, the colour adjustments done for the DC largely remain in the theatrical cut (something that will hopefully be addressed in a spoRv - or similar - project at some point).

...it's always in my "project drawer"... (-^,)

semiOT: what's about Alien3 color grading of BD, DVD and LD?

 From what I've seen Alien 3 has been pretty consistent since the LD days, always having a brown color timing.

Jetrell Fo said:

Jonno said:

Yes, though it now occurs to me that the earlier 2003 scan (used for the director's cut and quadrilogy DVDs) may have had a life in HDTV too.

In either case, the colour adjustments done for the DC largely remain in the theatrical cut (something that will hopefully be addressed in a spoRv - or similar - project at some point).

There is already a DC project that has the original color timing preserved.  Creating menu's is not my strength and I have not been able to find anyone willing to help out so it sits as an "as is" release.

Sorry to interject this here.  It should have it's own thread.

 A good, quick way to tell which master/color timing was used is the exterior shots of the Nostromo. The Collector's Edition LD, the AC3/70mm LD, the '99 DVD and the early Japanese HDTV copy all have the Nostromo model as being gray. That's the way it is in the original 35mm (I've seen a print) and the way the model looks in real life.

When the film was re-release in '03 the Nostromo and much of the film was re-timed to have a blue tint. It looks this way in the DC's 35mm print (the most beautiful 35mm print I have ever seen) and  Dtheater DVHS. I don't think there is another HDTV copy of this color timing outside the DVHS.

When the film was prep'd for the BD there was a green tint added to the blue tint. This is what it looks like on the BD, all current HDTV masters, Itunes (USA) and I believe Vudu (USA).

Those pics have a blue-ish Nostromo so it is the same master as the BD

Thanks for the update!

dvdmike said:

This is on the list of my Silver Retention heartbreaks, this is my film love and my specialist subject kinda.

Also the sound on disc is not the theatrical version.

 Tell me about it. I love silver retention prints. I actually saw AR in a silver. It was pretty special. Is the DTS LD also mastered from a silver or is it only the THX?

Anyway back to the subject at hand, sorry Jetrell the HDnet version is the same master as the BD. I was hoping for something different too.

BD (Top)/HDNET (Bottom)

supersonic395 said:

@PDB

Hope you don't mind, but I posted your image over at blu-ray forums and credited you. Just thought it would be interesting to share :)

 Thanks for the credit. I have halfheartedly followed that thread but I will check it out now.

Lil Brutto said:

PDB, would you be able to do a similar comparison of 1990 LD trailer vs. 4K?

Sure can. Quick and dirty:

LD Trailer/LD Feature/4k/Mondo

Like I have always said, its not the yellow that bothers me, its the green. At the end of the day that IB Tech print is the best authority.