OutboundFlight

The difference is the future movies need to stand by the change. Vader as Luke’s father isn’t contradicted by ROTJ. Luke and Leia as sisters was pulled in last minute but if you go back it isn’t that bad, as Luke and Leia never show romantic feelings or something. If it were so obviously a later change it would have been a bad twist. Same for Anakin, his motivation actually algins better imo with the love established in AOTC.

The ST though honestly feels like Abrams and Johnson wrestling for control over the story. TLJ at least tries to build on TFA even if many of the twists toe the line, I’d say they work. TROS abandons any regard of plausibility.

Imagine if ROTJ revealed the following. Vader lied to Luke and the twist was just for shock value, REALLY Luke’s father was a heroic Jedi Knight. All the emotional opportunities and arcs setup by ESB? Nevermind.

The Empire that has been steadily built up as the big bad is nothing more than a shill for the Yuuzhan Vong, who arrive with no explanation and midway through kill the Emperor. The threat level of the Empire last movie was literally based around? Nevermind.

Han suddenly has no agency… wait nvm ROTJ already had that. All his arc as a smuggler slowing turning good skipped over to the end, where he can be a flat character meant to drive plot.

The Vong seem to contradict everything Yoda told us about the force but no one addresses it. So all of Yoda teachings? Nevermind.

In the end, Luke wins and goes back to Tatooine where he takes up the name “Lars” in honor of his aunt and uncle for whatever reason. The entire point of Luke trying to move away from Tatooine and see the galaxy? Nevermind.

This contradicts everything ANH and ESB were setting up. Maybe a few of these could have worked, had it been properly developed, but using TROS as a model none of them would be and it’d all make no sense.

gladion said:

Can you send me a link? Ideas are amazing!

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StarkillerAG said:

JJ Abrams: Going somewhere, Favreau?
Favreau: Yes JJ, as a matter of fact I was just going to see your boss. Tell Kathleen I’ve got season 2 of Mando.
Abrams: It’s too late. You should have made it when you had the chance. COVID has caused a shutdown so big every post-production worker will be laid off. You’re lucky I found you first.
Favreau: Yeah, but this time I’ve got the show.
Abrams: If you release it now, I might forget I found you.
Favreau: It’s not finished yet. Tell Kathleen-
Abrams: Kathleen’s through with you. She has no time for producers who can’t get their work released on time.
Favreau: Even I get delayed sometimes. You think I had a choice?
Abrams: Tell that to Kathleen. She may only replace you with someone else.
Favreau: Over my dead body.
Abrams: That’s the idea. I’ve been looking forward to this moment for a long time.
Favreau: Yes, I’ll bet you have.

Mando season 2 becomes wildly popular, causing everyone to forget about TROS

Favreau: Sorry about the mess.

Abrams: Macluncky

DrDre said:

OutboundFlight said:

NeverarGreat said:

Of course, this leaves open the possibility that some new cultists could just clone him again, which rather ruins the finality of the whole exercise even if they say ‘no really, he’s defeated forever this time!’

This. I know this isn’t at all what they were going for, but if there is anything the ST taught me it’s that the galaxy will just be in a never-ending loop of war. The “Star War” will never end, and Palpatine’s resurrection is just symbolism for the cycle of war. But I’m assuming this kind of intellectual and artful theme is just a dumb coincidence. It’s actually just they needed another villain because RJ killing Snoke broke Abrams and Terrio’s minds.

Honestly, even a single small scene about Palpatine’s spirit being “weakened” from the cloning process and how this time once you kill him he’s gone for good would have been fine. But they don’t bother explaining it so I guess Palpatine will be showing up ever 30 years now to destroy all but one Jedi…

I don’t buy the cycle of war concept in Star Wars. It’s often used to defend the choices made in the ST by either pointing to Lucas’ rhyming concept, or to real history. However, in Lucas’ six episodes, while there were obvious similarities, the outcome was very different, and ultimately the son made very different choices from the father. Worse yet, the cyclical nature of war with the never ending return of stormtroopers, rebellions, and Palpatine clones turns the saga into a very cynical exercise, which to me is the anti-thesis of what Star Wars used to be about.

I don’t like it either.

NeverarGreat said:

Of course, this leaves open the possibility that some new cultists could just clone him again, which rather ruins the finality of the whole exercise even if they say ‘no really, he’s defeated forever this time!’

This. I know this isn’t at all what they were going for, but if there is anything the ST taught me it’s that the galaxy will just be in a never-ending loop of war. The “Star War” will never end, and Palpatine’s resurrection is just symbolism for the cycle of war. But I’m assuming this kind of intellectual and artful theme is just a dumb coincidence. It’s actually just they needed another villain because RJ killing Snoke broke Abrams and Terrio’s minds.

Honestly, even a single small scene about Palpatine’s spirit being “weakened” from the cloning process and how this time once you kill him he’s gone for good would have been fine. But they don’t bother explaining it so I guess Palpatine will be showing up ever 30 years now to destroy all but one Jedi…

StarkillerAG said:

jedi_bendu said:

Might have been posted already, but… ‘Splinter of the Mind’s Eye’, 1978 Acrylic painting by some guy called Ralph McQuarrie.

I’m gonna assume you’re joking, because Ralph McQuarrie is not just “some guy”. I could devote an entire thread to some of the amazing art he has created for the original trilogy.

Naaah he’s not that cool /s 😉

ELAYEM said:

Hello there!
I am new to this forum (although I have followed it for a while) and I wanted to share with you some images edited in FaceApp about what Alec Guinness and Sebastian Shaw would look like as Obi-Wan and Anakin in the prequels
I think that you could kind of “deepfake” those actors over the prequel ones using FaceApp and EbSynth (to de-age them and paste their faces over the keyframes)
Sorry about the bad english, it isn’t my main language

This looks pretty good, but honestly, I don’t think deepfaking is necessary. It would be interesting to watch, but unlike say Ford vs Ehrenreich, Ewan and Hayden are more popular in the roles that Guinness and (especially) Shaw ever was. Each actor is also representing them at a very different age, so unlike Han the deepfaking isn’t really needed for continuity. I think it comes down to a matter of preference, and I expect a majority would find this not needed.

Still, it’s an impressive job making it seem as natural as it does.

Personally, I found the main theme really cringe-worthy, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I’ve heard that Williams did compose unique music for specific scenes, but they were cut in favor of maximizing nostalgia (which I don’t really blame, on paper linking the final battle to the rest of the story makes a lot of sense, it’s just in execution it becomes yet another callback to the originals). If that’s the case it’s not Williams’ fault, it’s the editors. But I can’t confirm whether that’s true or not.

I’d like to see more original music for the ST. The PT really set itself apart musically and I wish the ST had done the same.

Rodney-2187 said:

RUKUSBUILD3 said:

Only after the criticism do people realize how good the prequels actually are.

There is a whole generation that is growing up with the sequels. Soon they’ll be online talking about how much those movies mean to them and how they kinda like the other six that came before, but the sequels are the best.

Exactly. I bet this will be the argument:

The OT is good but old, the effects are really bad and everyone just keeps praising them because of nostalgia. The PT isn’t good and the only reason people like them now is because of nostalgia. The ST though combines both the good graphics of the PT with the good story of the OT to make the best story. It doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets by boomers, they’re just annoyed it didn’t live up to their unrealistic expectations. It doesn’t matter if the movie is similar to the OT because comparatively the OT had bad effects so they took the old story and made it look actually realistic (plus the stakes were so much bigger this time around). Last, JJ and RJ were clearly working together and anyone who thinks they had disagreements is obviously just a hater.

That said those new movies nowadays are terrible! Worse than the OT and PT by far, just disgraceful and shows how much Disney has lost its way since the glory days of 2019.

CMMAP said:

Really interesting, as I have always wrapped my head around how to introduce cow and rebels to my friends without watching the whole series.
I am eager to see your maul approach, if you don’t mind?

An edit for cw with Ashoka and Anakin would be appreciated As well as rebels. Smudger9 unfortunately lost all his files and therefore we will never see and end.

negspec13 said:

Could I have a link for this please? It sounds great!

PMs sent!

G&G-Fan said:

What episodes are included in this edit btw?

–Trimmed Voyage of Temptation
–Trimmed Brothers
–Bits of Revenge
–Revival
–Eminence
–Shades of Reason
–The Lawless
–Bits of Twin Suns (SW Rebels)

G&G-Fan said:

May I have the link please?

closer2god said:

Hi, can i please get a link.

kind regards
Danny

Both PMs sent!

dgraham414 said:

Are we forgetting that Solo actually had deleted scenes?

Solo is the forgotten stepchild of the Star Wars movies. We like to lump it in with all the troublemakers even though it’s actually pretty decent.

I don’t buy that Disney prevented JJ from releasing his cut of the movie. TROS reeks of JJ’s obsession over redoing the OT and Terrio’s terrible writing.

Not only that, but Disney hates to admit they are wrong in anything, to the point they’re not even including deleted scenes because they know people will hate on them for “not including scene ______”. There’s no chance even if a JJ cut existed that it would be released.

Would the kids recognize Palpatine now that he’s been disfigured? And if they did, would they be more afraid of his face than seeking his help?

Well, it’s all making sense now. Bad Batch didn’t make much sense in the larger context of Season 7 before. I’m disappointed a third of the final season was just setup for a future show.

That said, the Clone Wars animation style is really amazing and I’d love to see more of it. Hopefully, they don’t dumb it down to Rebels quality. For the story, setting it post-CW is going to be interesting, especially if it’s right after the Empire with the clones having nowhere left to turn. I just hope it doesn’t devolve into the Bad Batch joining the Rebel Alliance after the first few episodes.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XHWqd6uNv2rqKoPJfmYcjs43OB3SYKTF/view?fbclid=IwAR3r_lyBB3AslqVBQDaSwwNhgLlRV2oQzhdfftvO_rZd6rJKuyNDjbbylXM

Included a shot from the “Mock up” love scene, plus also a shot from my old Machete Cut, in which there is a lil blood when Anakin takes Dooku’s head.

This is what a more mature Star Wars could be like.

Which for some may like, as before ROTJ, Star Wars wasn’t cutesy yet.

This isn’t what the focus was, but I really like the image of Mace Windu confronting Palpatine by himself. It’s some good rotoscoping.
1). It looks cinematic, like an old western duel
2). It makes Mace seems cocky, as if he’s going to fight Palpatine without telling anyone else beforehand
3). It makes the other Jedi less of a joke when they are beaten by Palpatine’s very simple initial moves

I agree with you on most, adding to the list:

TPM - Believing in yourself and learning to work with / trust others.
AOTC - Uhhh not sure. This is a really poorly made movie so it doesn’t really have a theme: the closet is love finds a way, but that only covers the Anakin/Padme stuff, the Obi Wan and Geonosis parts have no story besides a series of setpieces.
ROTS - Love used as a corrupting influence (actually a really cool concept, a shame it’s executed so poorly).
ANH - Faith.
ESB - The real world isn’t a fairytale.
ROTJ - Trusting in friends and believing in someone’s inner good/the power of love.
TFA - Cowardice and Moving on from the Past.
TLJ - Failure and Learning from it.
TORS - Trusting in friends and Moving on from the Past (two stolen themes).

So today I started messing around with adding more color to ROTS. TCW Season 7 has a really great palette and I wanted to try replicating that in the movie. For what it’s worth ROTS is better than most blockbuster in color filtering, but I have noticed a faint blue/green hue over the movie. So the plan is to add some reds and contrast while not oversaturating everyone’s face into ugliness 😃

I was shocked by how effective it was. This is all done with one curves setup, so I’m really excited to see what I can get if I break it down scene by scene.

https://imgur.com/a/exl9iPu

I think adding extra color and contrast makes the movie look so much more dynamic and interesting.

My suggestion would be to either focus the plot on Maul or Mandalore. I made an edit based around Maul in TCW (pre-Season 7), and it only included the Mandalore episodes when absolutely necessary. There was a 10 minute trim of Voyage of Temptation just to establish Obi-Wan and Satine’s relationship, but the rest of the first half was all Maul and Savage episodes.

So my suggestion is either focus it on Maul and Dathomir, only bringing in Mandalore and Death Watch when they are relevant, or focus it on Mandalore and have Maul only show up around when Death Watch finds him.

Anakin Starkiller said:

And which songs would those be?

Han: I’m Han Solo from the Kinnect

Chewie: Chewebacca Song from Supernova

Keep them on loop, but super quiet so you can barely notice them in most scenes.

Han Solo and Chewebacca’s respective songs should quietly be playing on loop whenever they’re in a scene

The Force is not a marvel superpower. It’s found in everyone. Midichlorians are just what generate when you believe in the force. From this raw talent you must work to hone your skills, just like any other task.

Like Obi-Wan says, you just need to let go. Child Anakin and Rey both dream of the tales of heroes, hence their initial talent. Then you need to hone your skills, which Anakin does in the Jedi Temple and Rey does through scavenging.

Luke was more challenging because he didn’t let go and was always skeptical. He wanted to be a pilot, not Jedi. But once he embraces the force at the Trench Run, he too understands.

So yeah Han Solo could have been a Jedi if he wanted

Anakin Starkiller said:

The problem with the Emperor escaping is Vader has nothing to sacrifice himself for. That’s why I prefer the Emperor surviving on life support.

Maybe he uses the force to hold back the Death Star destroying Endor? Rough concept that just popped in my head, but I think it’d work.

KumoNin said:

I think the only thing more confusing to me than putting TLJ last are people who like the sequels and put TLJ as the worst of the three. You’re the former of these two confusing cases, but I am curious, have you rewatched it since it came out?

I’m someone who likes the sequels and puts TLJ as the worst. It’s not too complicated reasoning for me. I can sit back and enjoy the OT as well-made movies. I can also sit back and enjoy the ST as well-made movies. I cannot say the same for the PT, as funny as the memes are, so I put it behind the ST. Now to break apart the movies, I enjoy TFA and TROS much more than TLJ. TLJ is well-made but it’s not fun to watch. It tries too hard for my liking, with way too many characters and subplots that don’t mesh well at all. TFA is a retread of ANH, but it has fun while doing it. TROS is an admittedly bad story, but it’s so bad it becomes fun to watch.

On rewatch, I really tried to enjoy the concepts presented in TLJ, because on paper they do sound good. But when I rewatched it just didn’t work for me. The only parts I find worthwhile are Luke, Rey, and Ben. Still, it’s better than the PT, which is very dull and not fun whatsoever.

thebluefrog said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Can somebody please add an 84 year old Jar Jar among the civilian fleet?

If I had the talent, I’d go full on Darth Jar Jar instead of Sidious. Let’s just embrace the ludicrousness.

Amen.