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#1340015
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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thebluefrog said:

I wonder if there’s a way to do the Colin Trevorrow script of 9 somehow.

Deepfake technology is better than ever.

Audiobooks have lots of unused dialogue.

The actors like Driver or Daisy have other roles to get lines.

There’s movie quality video game and other sources of media.

It’d be incredibly hard, but I think it’d be doable to do the script from all the material out there.

I actually think animating (2D) would be reasonably possible if enough people were on the team. I’d use volunteer voice actors rather than try and cut clips from other films.

Here is a good example of a framework. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itdfe5yQ0Hg

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#1339338
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith Prequel Finale Edit (Clips available, rough draft coming)
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Personally I’d include the following scenes even if they don’t add up in the timeline.

  1. TCWS7: Cody talks to Rex about how it’s hard being the survivors. This instantly gives us a connection to the clones should a viewer not watched the series and jumped right from AOTC.

  2. TCWS7: Anakin and Padme together, with Obi-Wan revealing he knows about it.

  3. TCWS7: Mace Windu claims to have killed thousands of battle droids. Also him willingly risking his life to shut off a bomb, so we know he is good at heart (PT Windu is kinda a dick) giving his death weight.

  4. TCWS7: The Martez Sisters tell Ahsoka about how the Jedi don’t care about the common people. Adds a lot of depth to the Jedi’s fall, although admittedly getting here would require a lot of cutting down on a boring story arc.

  5. CW03: Grevious Introduction: His speech followed by attack on five Jedi is possibly the best introduction to a villain in all of Star Wars. It also gives his attack on the Chancellor against Shaak-Ti extra meaning. I’d even suggest including the deleted scene where Grevious kills Shaak-Ti at the beginning of ROTS, wrapping up the rivalry.

How to do: Open with the Battle of Anaxes. Short 15 minute sequence containing of some early character moments and then the battle in the fourth episode. Then cut to Ahsoka meeting the sisters and get off Coruscant ASAP. In between Kessel cut to Grevious introduction. After this go back to Oba Diah, cut everything from the third episode except for the Jedi speech and then greatly trim anything not with Ahsoka. This naturally leads into the Darth Maul reveal and the Mandalorians. Then cut to Yerbana and the rest of the edit rolls.

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#1337974
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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It may be the best lightsaber fight ever. It takes the action of the Prequels, but with the Originals sense of danger with every strike. Instead of operatic music for us to sit back to, the fight is interrupted by interesting pieces of conversation. It’s an amazing duel, and the only thing blocking it from taking #1 for me is it’s relatively short runtime.

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#1337916
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Why is the original trilogy better than the prequels?
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I don’t dislike the Prequels (TCW is my favorite Star Wars), but I think the OT is the superior of the films.

Put simply:

  1. The actors in the Prequels are all very wooden. Yes, the characters may have better “design” but are they more engaging to watch? Is Mace Windu really more engaging than Han Solo? Qui-Gon is supposed to be a roguish Jedi but speaks just as dull as the others. Both Grevious and Maul have amazing designs, but have no character in the films besides “I bad guy”. And Anakin is a creep through Episode II. Now a lot of this is fixed in TCW, but from the three movies it’s all very dull.

  2. The dialogue is pretty bad. I mean, we go from “I love you” / “I know” to “I don’t like sand”

  3. The connection between Anakin and Obi-Wan is told to us but never shown. The closet is the opening of ROTS but even then there’s an air of tension. The “good ol days” the tragedy revolves around are never shown. Fixed in TCW.

  4. Palpatine’s plan revolves around so many plot contrivances to the point no one even cares about the war because the Clones are faceless cannon fodder (again, this is fixed in TCW but we are only going off the movies). Also, the Jedi are super stupid to not realize Palpatine is evil.

  5. Anakin’s turn is sudden, based entirely around a dream, and within 5 minutes he is willing to kill younglings. Very confusing.

  6. Overall, TPM and AOTC are fun side adventures at best, and the PT would have been far better had ROTS been stretched into three movies with the events from Eps 1 and 2 explained in expositionary dialogue. It feels ridiculously rushed by the end.

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#1337347
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The Clone Wars Arc Edits [OPINIONS NEEDED]
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What a coincidence! Last night I was plotting something like this out for a theoretical saga edit of mine that’s far far down the line. TCW would be part of it. I don’t know if I will pursue this but regardless here were my thoughts on edits. Also, keep in mind this is from literally yesterday so I haven’t though everything through.

STAR WARS PROLOGUE: Introduction of Anakin in the Phantom Menance followed by the Mortis Arc as the primary storyline. The Yoda arc from Season Six is interspliced here with the idea Yoda is traveling the force to rescue Anakin Obi-Wan and Ahsoka stuck in Mortis.

EPISODE ONE - THE CLONE WARS: Starts with Lair of Grevious, then the Mandalore Plot to explain Obi-Wan’s relationship with Satine. Then Grevious Intrigue followed by the Deserter, which runs concurrent to Rookies. End of the movie is Arc Troopers, big battle on Kamino ending with Ventress failing, and as a result Dooku exiles her.

EPISODE TWO - WITCHES OF THE MIST: The Citadel (great character development for the trio) running concurrent to Nightsisters, and ending with Massacre and a Darth Maul tease.

EPISODE THREE - DARK FORCE RISING: Darth Maul and Wrong Jedi in one movie. If edited well, Obi-Wan’s minimal appearance could be weaved through, so he returns from Mandalore just as the trial begins (for him to be seated there).

EPISODE FOUR - THE PHANTOM APPRENTICE: Umbara plus the Banking Clan trilogy from Season Six plus Ahsoka’s Walkabout (provided the quality gap isn’t too bad). We’d follow Anakin leaving Umbara and getting entangled in politics he doesn’t enjoy while his clones suffer on the front lines. Meanwhile his apprentice has challenges of her own.

EPISODE FIVE - REVENGE OF THE SITH: Clone Wars Season Seven plus ROTS

So this doesn’t work perfectly (my long-term plan is combining Season Seven with ROTS) but for a Clone Wars edit maybe you could take inspiration. I also wanted Mortis to be the start so I wouldn’t go pre-Season 3 Ahsoka design which is another limit you don’t have.

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#1335910
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The 'Final' Season Of The Simpsons (Possible Team Project?)
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This sounds fun. I’ll help as I can, though I’ve only watched the show on and off.

Holidays of the Future Present was going to be the ending of the show had it been canceled. It was a Christmas episode because the pilot episode was also set during Christmas. For that reason, I think it would do for a good finale episode.

I recall Barthood as a really good episode, but it had an almost entirely Bart focus, so I don’t think it would do for the show’s final episode. I would like for it to show up midway through this final season. I wonder how much of the lore messes with Holidays: isn’t that set 30 years in the future, where Barthood stops around when Bart is 20? Ideally it’d fit but if it doesn’t not the end of the world.

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#1335666
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Clavis said:

These are a few preview frames of the crawl I wrote for my edit: https://imgur.com/a/KtkefTG

This is a huge improvement from “The Dead Speak!” good job. But one question…

What is with the ST’s fetish for CAPITALIZATION? Of the original six, only three movies have one full-capital letter – ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC, DEATH STAR, and GALACTIC EMPIRE. All which are some of the most important parts of the movie.

In the ST, we get three for TFA, more than all six movies combined, for the three factions. Same for TLJ, only now there are two factions, but don’t we already know the key terms from the last one? AND then TROS stops CARING with SIX capitalized WORDS basically ANY proper NOUN they COULD find. I know it’s a pretty stupid thing to rant about but it bothers me.

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#1335085
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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What about making Rey a Jedi to begin with? It’s rough, but suppose Rey is an exile after the destruction of the temple. It would explain Kylo’s concern of a girl on Jakku helping her, and avoid repeating Luke’s becoming a Jedi arc.

To do so, you’d have to cut all the references to Rey not knowing why she’s so strong in the force. Then you really just need one line - Kylo in a mask would be easiest to replicate - telling Hux or Snoke “a former student of Skywalker, turned exile. Unrefined, but powerful” kabam Rey’s power solved without any complicated lore.

And while writing this I realized it accomplishes the following:

—-Gives Rey a stronger reason to be so secretive of her past and reject the call to the Jedi, because of her bad childhood memories.
—-Makes Luke’s struggle to rebuild the Jedi meaningful because without it Rey, like it or not the ultimate hero of the saga, was brought up by him. So Luke plays a vital role in the final victory.
—-Makes Luke Rey’s father figure who took her in after her real parents (who she presumes are important in TLJ) sold her for drinking money. So that’s why she chooses the name Skywalker (right now it’s Organa she has more connection with).

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#1334985
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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StarkillerAG said:

Broom Kid said:

idir_hh said:

So they used two takes of the same scene back to back.
I’m amazed
…and insulted.

Lucas/Chew/Hirsch did the same thing more than a few times in 1977, IIRC.

I don’t think it’s insulting really. It’s just editing. The whole thing is a trick. Some tricks are better than others.

That there’s a big Zapruder-like YouTube video “exposing” it seems odd, to me. “They’re trying to fool you, but we see through their attempts!” Of course they’re trying to fool you. They’re filmmakers.

Yeah, I’ve never liked the Plinkett-style videos that take a thousand nitpicks and pass it off as “objective criticism”. It just seems like reaching to get as much criticism as possible, and by extension make the movies seem as bad as possible. If you applied the same style of criticism to the OT, those movies would seem like the worst movies of all time. I was just pointing out that I noticed this editing quirk before, I wasn’t saying I have a problem with it.

I’d love to see a parody Plinkett video on why Empire Strikes Back is an objectively bad movie.

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#1334783
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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tobiwan1984 said:

StarkillerAG said:

tobiwan1984 said:

  • Luke needs to survive Episode VIII.

I actually would like this, for the same reason I’d like Ben to survive. I think Luke deserves more time to redeem himself, rather than just die from over-exertion after doing one good thing. This isn’t really feasible through editing though.

  • Rey needs to be Luke’s lost daugther, that was hinted at in TFA and I still feel Kasdan and Abrams were going that way until VIII, Johnson and Kennedy derailed everything.

I absolutely hate this idea, for two reasons:

  1. Rey is more interesting as a nobody. If Rey just turned out to be another Skywalker, it would make the sequel trilogy seem boring and cliche. It’s much more ironic for a complete nobody to be the hero this time.
  2. There is zero evidence that JJ originally planned for Rey to be a Skywalker. All evidence, even before the release of TLJ, points to Rey being a nobody from the start. Terrio was the one who derailed it with his stupid Rey Palpatine reveal.

Because of that, I think Rey Nobody is the only way to go for a fan edit of the sequel trilogy. It’s by far the most interesting and thematically coherent option.

Luke needs to survive, done by Ivan Ortega in his edit, working more or less well. Rey needs to be the lost daughter, we just need a good reason why and need to show it. The ending of IX needs to be bigger, with force ghosts and with Rey realizing her place in all of this as the last Skywalker to finally end Palpatine and avenge her father and restore the balance once and for all. Her being a nobody is just pushing the identity politics agenda of Kennedy and Rey being a Palpatine might sound interesting, but it just makes the whole story of Anakin an Luke useless.

Thanks for the feedback of course, it is noted and respected!

Okay, so while I do actually agree with you on Rey Nobody being lame, keep in mind Ivan’s “plan” isn’t feasible. Yes Luke can reasonably survive TLJ, but he can’t reasonably be involved in TROS. Maybe it would be possible to insert him instead of Leia on Aljon Koss and say a few lines in a voiceover. But him doing anything other than standing on Aljon isn’t workable.

All due respect Starkiller, but I found it cringe-inducingly obvious that TFA was setting up Rey as an important person. Evidence -

  1. When BB8 says his identity is a secret, Rey says “me too”. Supposing that’s sarcasm, there’s no need to say that and confuse the audience.
  2. When Kylo is told a girl helped BB8, he asks “what girl?” as if there’s a girl on Jakku that is important. I guess he was just curious?
  3. Maz asks Han, “who’s the girl”. Why would they cut on this when all Han says is “idk just some person lol”.
  4. Kylo and Snoke both seem confused in TFA as to how Rey is so powerful, suggesting lineage.

So for me personally, I’d have been fine with Rey Nobody had RJ directed TFA. My problem doesn’t have to do with the heroes’ journey, even though I can understand why that’s an issue for some folks. My problem comes from Rey Nobody conflicting so much with TFA, where Rey Palpatine actually fits into the puzzle quite smoothly.

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#1334301
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I have an idea for a more saga-conclusive ending. I think the Jedi from throughout the saga should return and stand with Rey to beat Palpatine. I think it could work like this:

After Palpatine says, “I will kill you” (or whatever) insert Luke’s “No” from TLJ, and then Luke in force ghost forms arrives standing beside Rey. This would be accomplished by masking a shot of him from a prior film, and then coloring it blue. It should be video, so it looks realistic, but possibly intentionally blurred so the mouths don’t have to match up to the dialogue. He then says, “A thousand generations of Jedi live in you.”

Yoda then arrives, with the force theme blasting. Next is Leia. Then Qui-Gon. Then Obi-Wan, possibly followed by an “hello there” if it isn’t too bathos. Then Mace Windu.

Maybe move the shot of Ben climbing back up here, if possible, so he’s included too. Finally, Anakin Skywalker arrives in force ghost form. Luke says, "No one’s ever really gone. Anakin says, “Master” (from throughout the PT) in a mocking tone to Palpatine, Palpatine responds with “no, no, no” (right before force lightning in ROTS).

And only THEN does Rey bring the second saber and finish off Palpatine, with the help of all the Jedi wronged by this evil Sith.


Next, for Ben’s sacrifice. I think the Jedi Force Ghosts should “save” Ben by transferring their remaining life forces. This would be done by showing the individual Jedi Ghosts disappearing right after Ben’s supposed death, and then reversing the shot so Ben comes back to life. You can then show Ben either on Acho-To or with Rey, with a reasonable explanation as to how they were able to both survive.

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#1334015
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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idir_hh said:

I’ve been thinking about ways to improve Finns arch, my conclusion is this: kill him off at the battle of crait, there’s nothing left for him to do, he just follows around and screams peoples names in TROS. Give him impact to the trilogy, if he’s not going to inspire the stormtroopers than he might as well inspire the resistance.

Before this sprials into another TLJ debate, practically this wouldn’t be possible with how many shots he’s in for TROS. Example: the chase on Pasaana. He doesn’t really matter, but he’s there, and it’s hard to not notice him in the background.

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#1333408
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Here’s an idea. Make Canto Bight on Tatooine.

After the Original Trilogy, the former backwater world of Tatooine became galacticlly renowned as the birthplace of Jedi Luke Skywalker. Even though Luke hated the place, tourism industries flourished and elite casinos replaced the backwater cantinas. Of course, these developments completely misses the point of what Luke stands for.

This is pretty easily accomplished by adding a random voice over for a broadcast, saying “Welcome to Canto Bight, the Jewel of Tatooine. Visit Jedi Master Luke Skywalker’s homestead, just 2 parsecs north!”

This ties brilliantly with the message of Luke’s arc (the many subplots of TLJ rarely touch each other) and also is extra special in regards to the Broom Boy scene, because he’s also on Tatooine.

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#1333188
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

Luke used that saber, as Rey did, but it really belonged to Anakin. TROS followed ROTJ’s example for who the last Jedi sees. Luke saw the figures important to him and Rey saw the ones important to her. The sabers have no relation to the people seen. Rey interred them in the only place associated with the Skywalker family.

I agree? From an in-universe perspective, it makes sense. But I don’t think the out of universe reason was in honor of Anakin either. It was all about Luke and Leia, else they would have made some kind of point towards it.

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#1332546
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

OutboundFlight said:

Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.

They did. Leia’s is blue and Luke’s was green. This is their father’s saber, which happened to be blue as well. Those sabers really don’t represent brother and sister, but father and daughter. Luke’s saber has only been seen in flashbacks.

I don’t think so. When Rey is on Tatooine burying the sabers, she sees Luke and Leia, not Anakin and Leia. I assume taking both siblings swords was moment which concerned the OT characters.

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#1332480
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

They had to make the most of what little Carrie Fischer footage they had, and making some sort of point to surround Leia handing her the saber was a way to do that. And having Leia’s own saber represent her reinforces that idea.

Although I wish it were a different color as to not be indistinguishable from Luke’s.