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#1348744
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
(password is fanedit)

Apparently it isn’t, cuz it’s not letting me in.

I found the problem. Apparently I capitalized the “F”. Lol.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
(Fanedit)

So I will have to cut the line “another star destroyer down” which isn’t a problem in the slightest, and then maybe smooth out the music reduction I have in the scene. Then we unveil to the big epic music.

I will also try this with the normal theme.

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#1348512
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I agree. That said, I think this would be the one place where Kim’s music might actually work. It is supposed to be this epic but also emotional moment, and having watched this clip I’d say using Kim’s music is better than William’s.

I think the biggest problem is the pacing. Yes, emotional manipulation is an issue but that can’t really be avoided, this is supposed to be the final battle. But the pacing is really rough. There is no downtime between “we’ve lost” to “there are more of us!”. The film needs to breathe at this point to get it right.

So comparing this to the scene let’s be real we all know TROS was inspired by, look how much time eclipses between the “we’ve lost” moment to the “everybody’s here!”. There’s this tension that’s slowly building as the heroes gather together. It’d be so jarring otherwise (as we see in TROS).
https://youtu.be/xp2YlHPAyVI?t=62

So in short, I used Luka Frik’s edit as a base and gave it one small scene between the “we’ve lost” moment and the “big celebration”. It’s the moment where the First Order is questioning what’s happening (with some ROTS music for good measure). I think it works really well here, the sound mixing isn’t perfect but I can fix that over time.

MY ONE ADDITON: https://vimeo.com/422031021
(password is fanedit)

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#1348215
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

World building is overrated. It’s one of the many things that killed TROS.

I actually felt like there wasn’t enough world building. There was way too much exposition, but exposition and world building aren’t the same thing. World building fleshes out the movie’s universe, giving it the proper context. Exposition is an inconvenience, something the movie just needs to get out of the way.

In my opinion, a proper example of world building would be explaining the whole thing with Palpatine’s return. “Secrets only the Sith knew” isn’t a sufficient explanation. We need to know the broad strokes of how he returned, and why he can’t return again. Otherwise, it just feels like Palpatine can come back any time he wants.

That’s not quite right. Explanations aren’t necessarily world building. In fact having someone spell out how Palpatine survived is exactly what I’d call exposition, which is something that TROS tries to avoid as much as reasonably can (which is only so much).

For example, the First Order captain’s medallion is world building. Zorii saying “free passage through any blockade, landing privileges” that’s exposition.

I somewhat agree. I think describing how Palpatine survived would be exposition, but the way he goes about it is worldbuilding for the Sith. They are forever intertwined.

In that essence, “exposition” isn’t bad either. I think we can all agree understanding why Palpatine returns is important.

For me the biggest issue with the ST’s “worldbuilding” or “exposition” or whatever is it doesn’t add logically to the earlier movies. When you jump from Ep 1 to 2, you are going in expecting Obi-Wan to be training a now Jedi Anakin. Ep 2 to 3 you expect the Clone Wars from how things last ended. 3 to 4 you expect the Empire to be in charge.

The jump from 6 to 7 is so frankly confusing because we expected to see Luke with a Jedi Order and the New Republic established. Yes, it’s perfectly reasonable to have tons of stuff go down in 30 years, but in terms of storytelling it feels strange. “Return of the Jedi” also is a very strange title when you think about it nowadays. With TLJ, it’s more a case of them having some sort of chance to fix these issues, but they doubled down instead. So it’s not really RJ’s fault, moreso him following Abram’s suit.

The closet comparison I can make is if Revenge of the Sith came out first, and then everyone got hyped for the sequel 19 years later… only to find the Empire was destroyed just a year after ROTS, Anakin was redeemed off-screen and is now missing, and Luke is training to be a Jedi like the entire PT never happened.

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#1348105
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Info Wanted: Are there any 6-In-1 or 9-In-1 Edits?
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This is just the thread for me!

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Vader-a-7-in-1-edit-of-the-Star-Wars-Saga/id/59135

My old Vader edit was my very first fanedit, so the editing is a bit choppy and there’s a random song somewhere that I cringe at afterwards BUT all in all, I am proud of it for it’s scope and what I consider to be a successfully retelling of the original six Star Wars movies plus R1.

I cut the edit to tell mainly Vader’s perspective. This means a lot of iconic moments in the OT are lost, such as all of Tatooine, most of the Death Star, Luke’s Training, Jabba’s, and Endor. Instead, it is played from the Empire’s perspective. The Battle of Scarif and Death Star Break-In are treated like almost jump-scares with the rebels getting no screen-time until Hoth.

The PT runs simultaneously to the OT in ten minute segments, with the sound effect from LOST to represent the shift in time. The color grading also starts brighter in the PT than OT, but eventually turns darker while the OT gets lighter. The PT itself is mostly just clips from important moments in AOTC and ROTS, tied together into 10 minute strands. If I ever were to make a second version of this edit, I’d use some of the great PT fanedits here as a base, but when I was making the edit I hadn’t yet registered here.

Han Solo only becomes a POV character after the Death Star escape. The Rebel Base is moved straight to Hoth with the Death Star never being destroyed. When Han goes into carbonite, he dies. I couldn’t find any way to conceivably include his rescue without diluting the focus from Vader. After this, Luke become a POV character – prior to Cloud City, we had only seen random moments of him blowing up AT-ATs. The Battle of Yavin becomes the location of the Luke / Vader duel with Red Leader destroying the station. The ending shot is Vader’s empty funeral, followed by a nice little cinematic I made for the cast credits.

All in all, it runs at 3 hrs and 30 minutes… and that’s with cutting out tons of iconic moments. I honestly wouldn’t know how you could cut a 9 in 1.

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#1346457
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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Broom Kid said:

With Clone Wars, it’s not a case of the show being aired out of “correct order” - the fact the show jumped around in time was intentional in the early seasons (as Tobar pointed out), as it was closer to an anthology series than a narrative arc. That “anthology” idea got phased out later in the show, but the “correct” order is the one you saw on Netflix.

I’d honestly suggest sticking with that order myself, if only because you get to see the show grow into itself, as opposed to having a later, more polished version of the show inserted into the early, still stumbling version of itself. I think that makes the experience of watching the show more jarring, in fact. Same reasons I don’t think the “Machete Order” or any viewing order of the films other than chronological works, really. Same principle that makes the Special Editions an incongruous and not-very-well-liked viewing experience: retroactively trying to fit new things into older things just highlights the difference in tone and execution, and calls the wrong kind of attention to itself.

For me, I’ve never liked the idea that we have tell everyone new to the show to watch it off some strange chronological order from online, instead of just the normal way which we all got along perfectly fine.

It’s very rare for this to occur and I think it’s more of an annoyance to have to consult some online “chronological cut” rather than just using the release order. It’s not that hard to recognize an episode is supposed to be a prequel to an earlier episode. They often establish it very clearly in the intro and expect you to already care for these characters.

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#1345243
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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CamSMurph said:

A fellow user on the Redux Ideas Thread said this concept would be near-impossible to implement into The Rise of Skywalker as is, so I feel it is worth sharing here as it seems more “radical” than what is being presented on the other thread.

Fanedit Forums user Gaith suggested that the film open with a funeral for Princess Leia before the opening crawl. This quote comes from the official thread for the movie:

Lucasfilm logo. “A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…”
SMASH CUT to a silent (with music) funeral scene. As with Glee and Cory Monteith, we all know why the character’s gone, so there’s really no need to explain it in-universe. (Canon sources elsewhere could officially designate it space cancer or whatever, but my idea lets the funeral be a tribute to Fisher as much as possible, just as the ending to Furious 7 was obviously for Paul Walker, rather than for Brian O’Conner.) Fade out.
STAR WARS title fanfare, crawl, movie.
In short, Fisher’s passing would be so significant that it would be the only time the Episode format of “A long time ago”, STAR WARS title fanfare, crawl, movie would ever be broken. I get that most don’t enthusiastically love Thor: The Dark World as I do, but I think the two-minute dialogue-free Frigga funeral is a freakin’ fantastic scene that would make an excellent model.

A very unique idea that unfortunately wasn’t taken advantage of.

Am I the only one who feels this is too much? Breaking from tradition for a two minute fan service end for Leia? I don’t deny Carrie Fisher was a fantastic person and important character to Star Wars, but it’s not worth completely botching the pacing and traditions. I’d prefer just having the movie dedicated to her in the credits.

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#1344599
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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OutboundFlight said:

Delpheas said:

Would that recontexualised TLJ include Luke vs Kylo? Cus it seems that would have to go, and have the climax be Rey & redeemed Ben killing Palpatine, followed by an edited Tatooine epilogue with Ben staying there in exile.

Yes… I’m unsure about this part. I agree this new TLJ would end best with the Supremacy. Maybe after the two beat the guards, we show the shots of their hands to force-pull an empty Raddus into the Supremacy, turning the Holdo Maneuver into the big finale beat.

Crait I think should be moved to the end of this new TFA. All hope seems lost, Palpatine is back, so they retreat to Crait and appear defeated when Luke shows up (for the first time) and saves the day. He doesn’t die this time, so new-TFA will end with the heroes escaping Crait and Rey going in search of the recently returned Luke.

OR if that makes TFA too long and new Ep 9 too short, you could move Crait to the beginning of Ep 9. Not sure how that’d work though.


Of course, this can all be avoided by just keeping Kylo evil as TLJ implies. He killed Palpatine and will continue on, but Rey will eventually beat him or something. However, I’m personally not a fan of that ending for Ben.

Further refining the unified trilogy idea…

THE FORCE AWAKENS (DARK FORCE RISING?)
–The crawl defines the First Order as a band of Sith Cultists (not a new Empire)
–The crawl also explains the First Order is searching for an Ancient Sith Bioweapon to bring back the former Empire.
–Begins with Kylo arriving on Exogel. He then gives his “finished what you started” speech with all the cultists chanting, to imply the FO’s plan.
–The “map” in TFA is recontextualized to the Map to Starkiller Base.
–No Snoke whatsoever. Kylo and Hux are in charge.
–Rathar scene cut for pacing.
–Kylo successfully probes Rey’s mind and they are able to find Starkiller.
–Ideally, the Resistance is renamed “The Republic” however I am unsure if this possible without cutting too much.
–The Resistance/Republic attack Starkiller but fail entirely. Han dies, the base fires releasing the fleet from Exogol, and Leia orders an evacuation.
–During Starkiller, use lines from the beginning of TLJ to show Leia wants the team to pull out, while Poe doesn’t and thinks they still have a chance. This way Poe’s decision in TLJ is earned.
–Trim the Rey/Kylo duel: Rey still holds her own but is unlikely to prevail until the Falcon shows up.
–The return of Palpatine initiates R2’s “Emergency Backup” (told through captions) which tell Rey where to find Luke. Rey heads off while the rest of the fleet flees an old rebellion base, Crait.
–Rey finds Luke… only for him to cast the Jedi aside. R2 then gives the “You are my only hope” speech, which triggers the end of the Battle of Crait.
–Cut Finn from the Battle of Crait.
–End with Luke’s inspiring moment against the newly powered First Order. Luke survives and agrees to train Rey, while the Republic retreats for a regrouping against the newly formed Empire.

THE RISE OF SKYWALKER (LABRYNITH OF EVIL?)
–Crawl establishes the Republic and reborn Empire are fighting a bloody civil war, while Luke has been training Rey.
–Rotoscope Luke onto Ajan Kloss instead of Leia for Rey’s montage.
–With a bit of cutting and possibly alien dubbing (with captions), the “Plan” is to go to Exogol and eliminate the Empire’s base of operations. To do so, they need to find a Sith Wayfinder.
–Meanwhile, Palpatine’s plan is the same as before. He wants Kylo to give him Rey, though it is unknown yet why. Later on, it is revealed Palpatine wants Rey to replace Kylo, but Rey refuses, so Palps settles for Kylo in Ep 9.
–Kylo isn’t redeemed after the Death Star, instead, he remains alive and is later seen in his ship (footage from TLJ) fighting in the space battle.
–Leia doesn’t die.
–Rey isn’t a Palpatine.
–Movie plays as normal all the way up until the finale, where Palpatine wins. Lando’s fleet becomes the New Republic’s and it is completely wiped out by its explosion. Palpatine successfully takes part of Rey’s force energy or whatever and becomes full. Rey barely escapes.
–Ends with Rey in self-exile on Ach-To.

THE LAST JEDI (THE LAST STAND? THE UNIFYING FORCE?)
–Crawl establishes since Palpatine’s trap last movie, the First Order under his and Kylo’s control rules the galaxy, with Leia’s Resistance barely surviving.
–Luke, now a force ghost (implied death by old age) gives Rey a few lessons (from TLJ), without the cynicism but with the “Jedi must change” angle.
–Honestly keep Canto Bight, as much as I’m not a fan, this movie needs all the runtime it can get.
–Leia dies on the bridge.
–Integrate TROS Luke pep talk with Rey. Rey is inspired and goes to redeem Kylo on the Supremacy. Rey also gets Leia’s purple lightsaber (Anakin’s blue was destroyed on Exogol) for the rest of the movie.
–Rotoscope Snoke for Palpatine from ROTJ. He’s given up tempting Rey at this point but does want Kylo to kill Rey and assume his place as next in line for the dark side throne.
–Possibly get a voice actor for a Palpatine impression of “I see you turning the lightsaber to strike your own true enemy”. Too good a line to lose. The rest can just come straight from ROTJ, though.
–Ben is a full good guy after killing Palpatine. Possibly integrate the Han scene from TROS in as a force vision (not actually happening, he keeps his crossguard saber for the Praetorian duel).
–We get some proper Finn story arc by ending his story with a Phasma fight, rather than it happening midway through and leaving him nothing to do moving forward.
–Rey and Ben work together to force pull the Raddus into the Supremacy after everyone has evacuated, destroying the power structure of the FO and bringing peace back to the galaxy.
–Ending montage of freed planets and Rey and Ben on Tatooine.


WHEW that was a lot, but I think all in all, it flows very well, doesn’t require too much work (the hardest part is rotoscoping Palpatine into TLJ, beyond that, everything is relatively simple), and would make for a strong united trilogy.

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#1344460
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Delpheas said:

Would that recontexualised TLJ include Luke vs Kylo? Cus it seems that would have to go, and have the climax be Rey & redeemed Ben killing Palpatine, followed by an edited Tatooine epilogue with Ben staying there in exile.

Yes… I’m unsure about this part. I agree this new TLJ would end best with the Supremacy. Maybe after the two beat the guards, we show the shots of their hands to force-pull an empty Raddus into the Supremacy, turning the Holdo Maneuver into the big finale beat.

Crait I think should be moved to the end of this new TFA. All hope seems lost, Palpatine is back, so they retreat to Crait and appear defeated when Luke shows up (for the first time) and saves the day. He doesn’t die this time, so new-TFA will end with the heroes escaping Crait and Rey going in search of the recently returned Luke.

OR if that makes TFA too long and new Ep 9 too short, you could move Crait to the beginning of Ep 9. Not sure how that’d work though.


Of course, this can all be avoided by just keeping Kylo evil as TLJ implies. He killed Palpatine and will continue on, but Rey will eventually beat him or something. However, I’m personally not a fan of that ending for Ben.

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#1344439
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Well if you really wanted to get radical.

TFA is about the FO using Starkiller to resurrect Palpatine.

New Ep8 is TROS. Ends with Palpatine winning, destroying the Republic Fleet (instead of nobodies), and Rey escaping to self-exile on the island.

New Ep 9 is a recontexulized TLJ, rotoscoping out Snoke for Palpatine from ROTJ.

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#1344135
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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This will sound dumb, but what if Starkiller Base isn’t a planet-killer, but an ancient Sith bioweapon to resurrect the dead?

The First Order’s plan in TFA is to bring Palpatine back to life. This explains how he comes back in TROS and avoids “yet another death star”. Although it sounds dumb in concept considering what we have to work with I think it’d tie things very smoothly.

Alternatively, the FO could be destroying the Republic as a mass-sacrifice to enable Palpatine’s return. I remember something like this in SWTOR.

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#1343535
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I’ve been thinking a lot recently about this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZkZNiw6XE

I think the reason it falls flat is that there is no one behind these “ships”. Compare that to Endgame, where all the characters from the past movies have arrived, and it gets emotional.

I think what should have followed the first shot of all the ships is a brief montage of various characters we can say are in this massing of ships. The problem is I can’t think of many shots of just a character in a ship. What I have right now are:
–The Nemodians from TPM
–A Naboo Star Pilot
–A Mon Cala looking like Admiral Raddus
–The Mandalorian
–Lando and Chewie

I think this would make the arrival more emotional knowing all these characters from the past nine movies are here. But I’d be happy to hear any other suggestions for more characters to use.

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#1342427
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Input Wanted: Rise of Skywalker Fanedit Preferences Poll
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Hal 9000 said:

I dunno, it’d make some sense in light of other potential changes to have Ochi die on Jakku…

JEDIT: Aaaaand, there’s already a reason for Rey not to be familiar with the festival, since it takes place once in 42 years.

You’re absolutely right… in fact, I bet this was the plan for the first draft. Why else would they die on a desert planet shortly after giving away their daughter? Then they changed it to a new planet for some reason and forgot about it not making sense.

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#1341734
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<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
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Morgan the Boost said:

Wow. Asohka murders EVERYONE in the last 8 episodes. She kills 3/4 of the Pikes and all of her troops. But at least she seemed to feel bad for the clones (?).

I mean, the Pykes chose to be criminals into the syndicate. I doubt the entire species is grouped up into one crime syndicate, there are many other paths the Pykes she kills could have walked.

The Clones had no choice, not to mention they were her close friends, who repeatedly showed loyalty for her despite her leaving the Republic. Then they lost all their identity and were forced to attack her. It’s very honorable to not kill them. Actually makes me want a fanedit cutting any killing of clones by Yoda and Obi-Wan.

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#1340961
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Fall of the Republic - The Clone Wars/Revenge of the Sith Prequel Finale Edit (Clips available, rough draft coming)
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Delpheas said:

Four hours is a long time, I might check it out to see what’s been done, but in addition to the runtime, I can’t really see myself enjoying it as long as it uses a plain extended RotS. Anakin’s gonna feel all over the place in terms of characterisation.


Anyway, here’s the promised clips. I’ll update the main post later.

Pass for all: fanedit

Opening with new crawl, temp music replacement for narrator lines
https://vimeo.com/414966830

You can see the first “Day” title card. Five will appear throughout.

“You’ve done well Anakin” (gotta figure out what to do about Palps talking standing up)
https://vimeo.com/414993033

I want Anakin to treat killing Dooku the way he treats all the casual murders he commits in TCW, it’s just a thing he did, and he moves on.

Ahsoka fights on Mandalore while Anakin is Late
https://vimeo.com/414994185

“What have I done?”
https://vimeo.com/414993081

Trying out not seeing Anakin see “What have I done”, only Ahsoka hearing Lanter’s Anakin say it. Also trying Palpatine and Ahsoka saying “anakin” at the same time.

Labyrinth of Evil Ending with Ahsoka & Vader: (taking suggestions on rescoring the Luke hand off to flow better with the Vader finale.)
https://vimeo.com/414975128

My goal with this one is an actually Dark ending, there’s definitely hope, but that’s not this story.

These are all first or second passes, so keep that in mind.

Alright, first off, amazing work at completing this so quickly!

I have a few suggestions for the Labyrinth of Evil ending. First, while I think Threepio and R2 is a solid scene in ROTS, I think it’s too much humor especially when it cuts to Ahsoka and Rex burying the clones. I would try rescoring the entire scene (Yoda, Leia, and Luke’s) to this: https://youtu.be/MJrEkTEkE4Q it’s the music from the last Ahsoka scene. It captures the tradegy far better than Binary Sunset. And it would since it’s the music from the scene before, it will perfectly mix into the final scene with Vader.