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#1310393
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The Rise of Skywalker Crackpot Theories Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

Slight problem, Vader wasn’t buried on the Death Star and Kylo would probably have already found Vader’s remains on Endor to get the mask.

Yeah, I’m banking on the assumption Kylo doesn’t know all that went down.

In new canon wasn’t Luke/Leia’s heritage some major scandal? So stuff like Vader’s redemption may not be known.

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#1310378
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The Rise of Skywalker Crackpot Theories Thread
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I know I said I’d be gone yesterday but I have one more thread to tie up.

With TROS just around the corner, I thought I’d make a last-ditch “prediction” of what is to come. This is just a fun little game to see if I can guess Disney and JJ correctly. It is not a wishlist of what I want.

I have not read any of the leaks. I have only watched the three trailers and a few of the promos. You won’t be spoiled by this post. Maybe I got it right, but there’s no way of nothing that. Most likely I got it wrong… for those who have seen the leaks, please don’t respond with hot/cold my guess is.

I predict the crawl will explain ever since the sacrifice of Luke, the Resistance has seen a surge in hope. They have rebuilt and are now threatening Kylo’s First Order. In desperation, Kylo learns of a secret macguffin that can bring back the dead. Kylo decides he will bring Darth Vader back to life. Only he can destroy the Resistance for good.

Meanwhile the Resistance has gathered on a jungle planet. Leia tutors Poe in leadership and Rey in the force. They learn of Kylo’s plan and move to the desert planet to stop them.

Despite their best efforts, the large desert battle fails, with Kylo acquiring the artifact and going to the Death Star ruins to reawaken Vader’s corpse. Meanwhile Leia either dies or is decommissioned, forcing Rey and Poe to step up as leaders respectively.

But plot twist, Kylo can’t reawaken Vader because Vader was redeemed. We learn it was really Palpatine’s spirit guiding him here, and now Sheev is back. He uses Kylo as a pawn while reawakening his secret fleet to kill the last jedi.

Rey and Kylo fight, and Rey convinces Kylo to join the light side and kill Palpatine. The two then team up and have an intense force duel before Palpatine is defeated for good.

In the aftermath, Rey and Ben overlook a new order of Jedi who will protect the galaxy in a reorganized republic.

Next week I’ll critique how I did!

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#1310370
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I think Adywan pulled it off so well because so many could hop aboard the project… everyone wants to improve the OT’s graphics. They are great movies and to improve their look is something we all agree on.

But the PT? Can we decide what to do? How radical do we go, and how much would we like to keep? Would people work with a graphics update for a movie who’s story / cast aren’t really that good (at least compared to the OT)?

Despite my concerns, I would do my best to support such a daring project.

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#1310002
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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FreezingTNT2 said:

I have an idea for a future PT edit: we will not see the birth of Luke and Leia. In fact, when Obi-Wan returns to the ship after his duel with Anakin, we don’t see a living Padmé at all. The last time we see a living Padmé will be when Anakin Force-chokes her, and we can assume she died after Anakin and Obi-Wan begin their duel. During Anakin’s transformation into Vader, we will not see the childbirth.

We should assume that Padmé died on Mustafar, and that Luke and Leia are just babies whose parents were killed during Order 66. Also, in a future edit for A New Hope, everytime Obi-Wan, Beru, and Owen bring up Luke’s father, they’ll be referring to a different Jedi and not Anakin Skywalker. Also, Luke wouldn’t mention “Skywalker” when he arrives at Leia’s prisoner cell in the Death Star. That way, we can preserve “I am your father” in The Empire Strikes Back without having to make it seem like Anakin and Vader are separate characters.

What do you think? 😃

That might just work! Honestly the biggest flaw in preserving the twist is the OT giving Luke’s name. If you could cut Luke’s line in ANH and redo the Empire crawl to remove his last name, it would actually be a twist.

Even better, cut Padme revealing her pregnancy at all. Maybe the children are conceived a few days before the purge, and Padme survives nine months to give birth? It doesn’t have to be fully explained.

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#1309756
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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TavorX said:

Touching. I’ll definitely be seeing it in theaters, despite my lack of true excitement I’d normally have for a SW film. However, it does help to see that there’s more character interactions that we lost in TLJ.

But MAN are they really being on the nose for any of those people that dearly wanted Finn and Poe to be a romantic pairing, amusing to say the least. The marketing team knows what they’re doing.

Yeah, that’s got to be out of the running now with Finn + Rose, but they’ll still want to market for it.

I wonder if Reylo will go official?

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#1308919
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I hate the Jedi
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DominicCobb said:

I never liked the idea of a gray Jedi, or at least the kind of gray Jedi that’s an anti-hero who uses all the powers because he’s too cool to follow the rules. But the idea of a “gray” Jedi who does have a strong sense of right and wrong, that’s an attractive idea. The PT sets up a dogma that’s doomed to fail - anger, hate, and fear are all natural human emotions and suppressing them can be dangerous and unhealthy. You can see how this is (poorly communicated) subtext in the PT, in regards to how Anakin’s story unfolds.

I always thought that a potential sequel trilogy would confront these ideas that were floated in the prequels but never fully considered. So far, the two films (well, really TLJ) have actually picked up the thread on this to some extent - the fallibility of the Jedi, the danger/complacency of Jedi pride, the monopoly the Jedi strive to have on the Force. The pieces are in place to come to some sort of resolution for it all in TROS, if they are so inclined. Since ROTJ dropped the ball on Luke’s perspective in regards to Ben and Yoda’s actions, it became fair game to simply have Luke revive the Jedi order as it was. But now Rey is building an explicitly new order. We’ve seen Rey use what could potentially be considered anger in her fights without any condemnation or repercussions. So that could either be integrated into the storyline, or simply ignored as a quirk of choreography/acting. But on the flip, what they’re doing with Kylo’s eternally conflicted persona (never fully light or dark), and his being essentially the other side of Rey’s coin, it would ultimately be kind of surprising if they didn’t explore this idea to some extent.

When I hear “Gray Jedi” I think of someone like Cassian Andor (if he had the force). They’re doing the right thing, but aren’t afraid to flirt with evil in doing so. From that angle I can’t see Rey going towards darkness.

I don’t think Gray Jedi is the solution. You can’t say the side that destroyed planets, purged races, and slaughtered children are half the good guys now, and the people doing everything to stop them were partially in the wrong. Instead I think it’s about reevaluating the light side’s rules. Yoda says Jedi cannot have emotions, but in ROTJ, Luke proves him wrong by using Vader’s fatherly love to turn him over. Therefore, the Jedi should have positive emotions.

ANH and TESB’s morals on becoming a Jedi feel like learning anything. For example the piano. When you start you hear the piano playing a really good song, and you excitedly start learning the keys. But then when you try to play all the good songs you aren’t good, and you become frustrated. Now the teacher must stress the importance of patience and hard work.

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#1306551
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ATMachine said:

Interesting how that version of a “somebody is spaced and uses the Force to pull themselves back inside a ship” scene is much better staged than the one in TLJ.

Yeah, I think the real problem with that scene was the shot. Had it been executed differently it would have been fine.

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#1306306
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

regularjoe said:

If you want more and new Star Wars you’re going to have to make your peace with new characters, new story lines, new actors, new stories.

No “if” about it; I don’t. In fact, I wish it were possible to retroactively make less Star Wars crap.

How is it that by making the ST, or the PT, or heck even Empire Strikes Back has Lucasfilm “ruined” Star Wars 1977?

The way I see it, every piece of Star Wars media is an opportunity. Either you like it or you don’t. If you don’t, you can forget about it’s existence, and go back to what you like.

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#1306278
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Zahn's Other SW Books (was: Survivor's Quest vs Outbound Flight)
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Well I suppose due to my name I’m legally required to post my thoughts. I prefer Outbound Flight, it’s was one of my favorites in the old EU. Not my actual favorite which might be counterintuitive, but hey, the name “OutboundFlight” is much slicker than “HeirToTheEmpire”.

I’ve also found Thrawn one of SW’s most interesting characters, despite him never appearing in any movies (yet). There really aren’t many “smart” SW characters besides him. He’s the opposite of the Jedi - the Jedi have wisdom and the force, Thrawn has intelligence and battleplans. His death is perfect, dying at the hands of the one people he underestimated - largely due to their connection with a force user.

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#1306071
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Best Viewing Order for Fans and First Timers: &quot;THE FLASHBACK&quot; Order
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Honestly, I think the simplest order for children is probably:

  1. The OT uninterrupted
  2. The PT uninterrupted
  3. Solo? The Clone Wars?
  4. The ST uninterrupted

This is for children who have remained oblivious to the Vader twist, and are likely too young to handle R1. For adults just do it chronologically. I don’t think adding tons of backstories is a good idea because it may become confusing for first-timers. Although it would make an interesting marathon watch.

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#1305645
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I don’t understand how George Lucas is getting all the breaks now for his “originality” while Rian Johnson is hated for doing exactly what haters of TFA asked.

This is what RJ possibly “ruined” about Star Wars:

  • Luke’s ultimate fate is sit around moaning about his failure before he returns to form and sacrifices himself.
  • You can now hyperspace attack.
  • Animal cruelty exists in Star Wars.

Compared to the PT:

  • Anakin wasn’t a brave warrior, he was a creep.
  • The Jedi were idiots.
  • Padmé died of a broken heart.
  • Stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett’s father.
  • There’s a ton of weird names.
  • It’s potentially racist (likely accidental).
  • The Jedi Purge happened in a day.
  • Anakin built C-3PO and knew R2.
  • Anakin knew about Uncle Owen but never checked up on him.

Yes, TLJ is way worse than the PT! /s I can see the argument TFA is the worst one, although I beg to differ, but I don’t understand how RJ gets SW worse than GL.

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#1305553
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Your_friendly_Imperial said:

The First Order never rules the galaxy, they don’t own a galaxy weapon with which they blow up Republic space, they don’t own star destroyers. They are the underdogs who try to stay under the radar of the New Republic. Their tactics are subterfuge and terrorizing civilians. Essentially make them the Taliban of the galaxy.

I like this a lot. I’ve been thinking about ways to make it happen.

We cannot show the audience the First Order’s weakness. But we can tell them about it. As long as we remove any references to the “might” of the First Order, we could make that everyone involved in the FO (including overconfident Ren and Hux) know they’re trash, and have to be constantly a step ahead of the Republic.

For example. Let’s alter the wording of the crawl.

Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, a ragtag
terrorist group
, the
FIRST ORDER, has risen
and will not rest until
Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.

We have now established the lie. We can strengthen it by adding bits and pieces of dialogue. For instance, the scene where Captain Phasma asks Kylo about what to do with the villagers. I suggest dubbing a nearby Stormtrooper to provide his opinion:

If we let them live, they’ll tell the Republic. We can’t afford a straight fight.
This, in turn, leads Kylo to order killing them all, making the First Order less cartoonish and more calculated.

Another possible example. At some point on the First Order Star Destroyer, add in a ship loudspeaker, announcing:
Jakku scavengers have picked up on our presence, and a First Responders group is on its way. This is a battle we cannot afford. Troopers, prepare to leave in t minus 30 minutes.

For Starkiller, you could cut out the planet-destroying entirely, though it will require some intense VFXs to cover the big hole. Instead the planet could just be a FO base that is attacked at the end of the movie to get the remaining map to Skywalker.

Finally, in TLJ the reason the FO is so intent on hunting the Resistance is that the Resistance is the only people with proof of their threat.Again, we could add a fake Stormtrooper conversation to establish this:
What’s with all the effort on one ship?
The Resistance knows about us.
Ah.

The footage isn’t a problem, we just need someone that could do a reasonable impression that can later be audio edited to fit the movie.

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#1304805
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Worst Ideas in Star Wars/Good Ideas that went Horribly Wrong
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I think calling for “worst ideas” is just asking for arguments. But the second part sounds interesting.

I’d say most of Lucas’s PT sounds interesting in theory but falls apart because of the lack of character drama. I think if Lucas was better at directing characters we would have some solid Star Wars movies. A better directed Anakin could have been likable from the start, so we feel for him when he fails to gain Padme’s attention or feels constrained by Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s interactions with the Trade Federation could have been funny. And the one time they actually show great emotion - the High Ground scene - we would feel far more for these characters.

I also wonder if had Lucas written these as books, not screenplays, we would have liked, maybe even praised the storytelling.

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#1303703
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Original Trilogy Remake
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DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

How would you feel if they remade the original trilogy films in a couple of decades from now? Personally, I’d be okay with it, especially in the form of a TV series which retells the whole saga.

Honestly, I probably wouldn’t mind all that much. Star Wars is a modern myth, and myths are meant to be told and retold. I’d only hope that if they were to do it again, they’d make it it’s own thing, and not try to merely replicate what made everyone enjoy the OT (like, for instance, how the Disney live action remakes often do).

If it sucks, who cares. I still have the OT (well, maybe not, but that’s what this site is for).

They’re already doing this with the ST. They try to make it its own thing, but the big reason for making it is to capitalize on these classic stories. And I’m perfectly fine with that. But if they want to do it again, just make a Sequel-Sequel Trilogy. Remaking the OT is too on the nose… although it’d probably still make a ton.

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#1303379
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’d say the ideas behind the prequels are substance. Too bad Lucas’ ego didn’t allow him to pass them along to someone with actual talent to develop and execute competently.

From what I’ve heard, Lucas didn’t want to direct. He wanted to hand the project over to someone else with him producing, like in Empire and Jedi, but the studio insisted on making it “his project”. What they didn’t realize was the OT everyone fell in love with wasn’t what George had wanted in the first place, and it was only with his limitations and other input that such a balance between creative substance and inspiring narrative could be accomplished.

Studio? It’s my understanding the prequels were all multi-million-dollar independent films.

And yet it was distributed by 20th Century Fox, and consisted of tons of yes men Lucas had hired just for his project. He had the final say, but they influenced him.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/star-wars-episode-i--the-phantom-menace/steven-spielberg-ron-howard-turned-down-prequels/

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#1303317
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

I’d say the ideas behind the prequels are substance. Too bad Lucas’ ego didn’t allow him to pass them along to someone with actual talent to develop and execute competently.

From what I’ve heard, Lucas didn’t want to direct. He wanted to hand the project over to someone else with him producing, like in Empire and Jedi, but the studio insisted on making it “his project”. What they didn’t realize was the OT everyone fell in love with wasn’t what George had wanted in the first place, and it was only with his limitations and other input that such a balance between creative substance and inspiring narrative could be accomplished.

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#1303028
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New Star Wars films to be produced and written by D. Benioff and D.B. Weiss <em>- no longer</em>
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Valheru_84 said:

Rodney-2187 said:

Game Of Thrones Duo David Benioff & D.B. Weiss Exit Trilogy

https://deadline.com/2019/10/star-wars-setback-game-of-thrones-duo-david-benioff-d-b-weiss-exit-trilogy-1202771184/

Thank christ for that! After the way GoT ended not to mention the obvious drop in writing quality and general issues over the last 2-3 seasons when they had no books to adapt from, I seriously didn’t want them anywhere near a script for Star Wars.

Also the last word I heard on RJ’s trilogy is that after many months of him steadfastly confirming it was still happening and in preparation, his tone at a recent interview has changed to “if” it is still happening. Before TLJ I was intrigued with the premise for his trilogy but now I’d be happy for him to not touch another Star Wars movie ever again.

At this point I see TV series like Mandalorian and Kenobi as the way forward for Star Wars and possibly starting to heal the rift TLJ and the ST at large has caused. I am neutrally interested to know what Fiege’s movie will be about though.

I think RJ’s greatest issue with TLJ is he didn’t think of it as the 8th Star Wars movie, or even the second ST movie. Instead he just made his own thing. On it’s own I’d argue TLJ is a good subversion of SW. This is why I am looking forward to RJ.

On the other hand, I’m happy D&D are out.