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#1300715
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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RogueLeader said:

Rey: Han Solo?? And that means you must be Chewbacca!

Han Solo: No, this is his son, Lumpy!

Ironically enough, that might be all we need. Don’t even explain it within the episode but if anyone asks resort to that.

Each episode should last 22 minutes, because of limited footage. Before each episode should be an opening voiceover similar to Star Wars: The Clone Wars, to provide alternate background information.

Episode 1 - The Map: In the aftermath of the Abeloth Crisis, Luke Skywalker has disappeared in search of the First Jedi Temple. Despite peace with the Imperial Remnant, a small terror cell led by an old apprentice of Palpatine called the First Order believes the secrets of the temple are key to opening an ancient superweapon. Kylo Ren arrives at Jakku and captures Galactic Alliance Intelligence Agent Poe Dameron, but his droid escapes. Meanwhile, Stormtrooper Finn has a crisis of conscience and breaks Poe out, leading to a space battle. They crash, and the episode ends.

Episode 2 - The Scavenger: BB-8 is found by Rey. The episode is told mostly from Rey’s perspective with some Finn, culminating in their escape from Jakku. The episode ends with their ship caught by Han Solo, who proclaims “we’re home”.

Episode 3 - The Smuggler: Opening voiceover explains Han has gone back to his old ways, now with Chewbacca’s son. The rathtar battle occurs and they are able to escape. They then travel to Maz’s Castle, where Finn leaves the group and Anakin’s lightsaber calls to Rey. Meanwhile, Kylo Ren goes undercover onboard Starkiller Base.

Episode 4 - The Lightsaber: Kylo speaks with Snoke, who reveals in order to complete his training he must kill his father - Luke Skywalker. Kylo Ren = Ben Skywalker, grandson of Darth Vader. On Takodona Rey learns she is destined to be a Jedi when the First Order attacks and Kylo captures Rey. Poe makes a triumphant return and Han and Leia reunite.

Episode 5 - The Superweapon: We learn from the opening voiceover than in order to activate the ancient Sith superweapon, the First Order must find and kill the only one who knows the First Jedi Temple’s secrets, Luke. Han and Finn stage a daring break-in and save Rey. Han the cool uncle tries to save his nephew but is killed. Finn takes a big injury, but they manage to escape thanks to Rey accepting her fate. Ends with her traveling to Ach-To.

At this point Rey would be training with Luke. This would intentionally not be shown. We do see the Rey / Kylo force talks but from Kylo’s perspective.

Episode 6 - The Dreadnought: With Leia’s group having discovered the existence of Starkiller, the First Order moves to the offensive to prevent Leia from contacting the rest of the galaxy. Poe has a deadly plan, but it proves for nothing when the First Order tracks them through hyperspace. Leia is injured in the ensuing attack.

Episode 7 - The Plan: Holdo comes into control of the Resistance and Finn makes up. Poe and Finn create a deadly plan that involves disabling the Supremacy’s hyperspace tracker from the inside, but it all proves for naught when Finn and Rose are captured and Poe’s mutiny is ended by Leia.

Episode 8 - The Supreme Leader: Rey arrives on the Supremacy. Ben kills Snoke, but cannot turn Rey to the dark side. Holdo does the lightspeed ram and everyone retreats to Crait, for the finale.

Episode 9 - The Jedi Master: The Battle of Crait. Everyone has given up hope when suddenly Luke returns. He defends everyone as they escape and then reveals himself to be a force projection. On Ach-To Luke pushes himself like never before and is able to destroy Starkiller Base with his mind, before he becomes one with the force.

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#1300682
Topic
The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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That’d be really cool, but I think it’s impossible because Chewbacca would have to still be alive. He dies in the Vong war, if I recall correctly. So you’d have to place it before the Vong war, which means you can’t kill of Han Solo or pretend Kylo Ren is Darth Caedus. And then all the characters are older than they should be.

The only possibility I see is to have recolor all of Chewbacca white, and pretend he is some new Wookie Han’s replaced. Which is frankly disheartening, but fits into the canon.

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#1300103
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HEIRS OF THE FORCE (Eps 7-8 mashup)
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I think it’d be pretty easy to establish Rey in TLJ. A custom crawl explains the Republic has brought peace to the galaxy, but cannot crush the last remains of the Empire on Starkiller Base. Then the finale from TFA plays - Han is killed early on, Rey holds her own against Kylo, but Poe fails to destroy the base in time. It fires and destroys Coruscant.

Rey reaches Ach-To within the first 15 minutes. With the Republic gone the mission of Leia’s Battalion is simple - escape. And they are banking on Luke to save the day.

Finn can stay unconscious throughout. He is not needed because without TFA he won’t be an established character yet, and can easily be pushed to the sidelines. Instead we’d follow Rey and Poe.

Poe’s plan would be mutiny the Raddus, then attack the Supremacy dead on in hopes of temporarily disabling the engines and escaping. It’s dangerous but the only option he can think of. Instead of Holdo and Leia keeping the plan a secret, I’d change it to a public plan centered around Luke. Throughout the movie Leia will have faith that her brother will return, until she finally gives up on Crait - just as the Last Jedi answers the call.

However, while this might sound like a tighter TLJ, I’d actually advise against this. I think TFA is enjoyable and not worth cutting out. Rey’s character origin is a small price to pay for a good Star War Episode.

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#1299868
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High resolution Disney+ Star Wars posters
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Reviewing Disney’s Posters
TPM: Ok. Maul looks awkward in the back, and I’d argue the “blue” backdrop doesn’t suit this movie well. It needs color.

AOTC: I feel the same way as TPM, but to a greater extreme. The character positions are fantastic, besides Jango who looks pasted on. But the color is so dull…

ROTS: In contrast, I think this is a great poster, although the lightsaber colors really should be fixed. Only issue is the Death Star looks like forced clipart.

SOLO: Just brilliant. Love the color and layout.

R1: Is this just the original one with a cyan backdrop? Regardless, it works.

ANH: All the nostalgia aside, I think this might be the best “modern” poster for ANH. I like it!

ESB: The only instance here I feel the “colors” really add something - the icy atmosphere makes this poster looks awesome! The layout is a bit jumbled, but it still makes for great poster.

ROTJ: Also good! Only issue is Han’s derpy face.

TFA: Only design I feel is fair calling “ugly”. Not feeling it whatsoever.

TLJ: Literally the original poster with a red tint. Unlike the other posters the color overlay feels on the nose. It does it’s job, but I prefer the variant with color.

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#1299272
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Am I the only one who feels Maz has been shoved into the franchise just because she hasn’t died yet? She served her purpose in TFA. In TLJ her appearance seemed like fan-service for someone no one cared about (yet, I’m sure the kids of today will have nostalgia for her in the future). Who knows what role she will play in TROS. Maybe it’s important, but I’m worried it will just be an another random “hey I’m here and I’m helping because I’m good!”

It’s not that big a deal; just something minor that keeps on bugging me.

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#1298801
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How would you have done ROTJ?
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FreezingTNT2 said:

What is it with people wanting Han to be killed off in Return of the Jedi?

Two reasons. One, I think the finale should have some big sacrifice from one of the characters to make the victory more grounded. Han is one of the most important characters, and we just had a movie dedicated to rescuing him so you’d think he would play a major role in the finale. However, killing Han does ruin the ST. Lando makes the most sense.

BedeHistory731 said:

I like that “two movies” idea a lot! I think I’d go about it a little differently, namely to allow Vader’s redemption a bit more development and show him trying to fess up to his mistakes. I like your ideas, Outbound Flight, so allow me to build off of them.

I love this!

My one suggestion would be giving Vader a bit of larger presence in Episode IV. Maybe the Empire never realizes that Vader is an insider, so he’s reluctantly beside the Emperor following Maul’s death. The two now have a very cold relationship with both nearly certain the other knows they know. Vader doesn’t think he has the strength to kill the Emperor without Luke. Luke won’t kill the Emperor until Vader turns good. I’d do this because right it now just feels like the Emperor is waiting for Vader and Luke to team up and kill him. It doesn’t make much sense to me why the two would fight while the Emperor watches if they both just want to kill the Emperor.

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#1298594
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How would you have done ROTJ?
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I have some very drastic ideas regarding fixing ROTJ. Before I begin, I want to clearly state I enjoy ROTJ as it is. It is my fourth favorite SW movie and makes for a fun time. It is a fine conclusion to the OT. But it still pales in comparison to ANH and ESB, particularly when you consider all the nuances Empire was setting up. George Lucas has said he just wanted to “wrap up” Star Wars after ESB, but what if he hadn’t been tired of the franchise at that point, and was willing to continue?

Ultimately, I have come to the realization that in order to fix Return of the Jedi, it must be split into two separate movies. This would turn the Original Trilogy into the Original Quadriology.

My reasoning is as follows. “A New Hope” has a clear plot structure that is established in the opening crawl. The Empire has the Death Star, the Rebellion wants to stop the Death Star. Everything that happens in that movie revolves around destroying or defending the Death Star. The droids get the plans, we follow the plans around, they rescue the princess, and they destroy the Death Star.

“Empire Strikes Back” also has a clear plot structure that is established in the opening crawl, although it’s missable if you aren’t paying attention. The film is all about Vader hunting Luke. Luke on Dagobah is all about teaching Luke to be ready for the inevitable confrontation, while Han and Leia are stalling for said confrontation. Alas, they are captured too early, and Luke has not had enough training to properly confront Vader.

“Return of the Jedi” does not have a clear plot structure. Instead, it has three plots all mashed into one movie. They are…

  1. Rescue Han Solo from the clutches of Jabba, in the aftermath of TESB.
  2. Destroy the Second Death Star
  3. Redeem Darth Vader / Don’t seduce Luke Skywalker

I think this is too much and gives way to a wonky story that is more about wrapping up Empire’s loose ends than giving us a proper conclusion. Let’s consider Han’s rescue. Can anyone tell me what it accomplishes in ROTJ? All it serves is to get Han on Endor, so we can have a proper resolution. It would have been easier to just NOT have Han be captured in the first place. And with a third of ROTJ dedicated to stopping a side villain unrelated to the Empire, we cannot properly explore the themes introduced in the latter half of the film.

So if I had been in charge of Star Wars during 1980, I would have created two more Star Wars movies.

Episode III: Luke and Leia try to rescue Han Solo from Jabba. Meanwhile, the Emperor has become displeased by Vader’s failure to bring in Luke and has now recruited Jabba - who looks more like Prince Xizor - to hunt Luke in a race against Vader. Vader goes rogue, forming an unlikely alliance with the Rebels to take down Jabba. Unsure as to the ending - either it returns to the status quo, or Vader and Luke team up against the Emperor to rule father and son.

Episode IV: The Rebels learn the Death Star was just a prototype, and hundreds more are being constructed above Kashyyk. We learn Chewebacca’s backstory as an outcast to his people, but he must return home to convince the Wookies to join the fight. Han sacrifices himself. Luke defeats Vader and walks off into a (binary) sunset.

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#1298113
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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Solo’s biggest issue was that they (bafflingly) placed it in May rather than December, just six months after the last movie. Then they failed to properly market the movie at all. They failed to give it an original “feel” (love or hate it, the MCU does a really good job making each trailer feel unique so people hype about each movie). Last, and most of all, it was right after Infinity War AND Deadpool 2. Movies that to the general audience were far more interesting than a Solo origin movie.

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#1298043
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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At the end of the day, this is still a Star Wars movie. Specifically the end. Audiences love ends of franchises. I don’t think negativity from TLJ will play much of a role into TROS. Rather Episode Nine’s real problem is its contenders in December.

The reason TFA did so well was for the long stretch of December - mid-January it was the only blockbuster in cinemas. Prime Holiday Season. Families wanting to take a break in the holidays and see a movie really only had one choice, and considering how the film was built - to be a simple, enjoyable experience, it fit perfectly into this mold.

Compare this to December 2017, and TLJ reigned supreme at first, but just five days later two surprising popular films - Jumanji and The Greatest Showman - showed up. They took most of TLJ’s end of the holiday season steam. Couple this with the length + more nuanced nature of TLJ, and you don’t have a film that encourages the kind of marketing TFA prospered off. I don’t think the “backlash” contributed to much at all.

TROS is in an interesting situation. Jumanji 2 is coming, but it is slated a week before TROS opens. This makes it marketing towards the prime audience. Now Star Wars is notorious for not doing so well internationally, at least compared to America. Jumanji could steal a huge chunk of TROS’s overseas sales. I still think it will reign king in America, though. Abrams will likely direct the film as “fun” like TFA, even if there are more creative elements, leading to more rewatches over the holiday season.

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#1297858
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What If: The Separatists Won the Clone Wars?
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STAR WARS: EPISODE VI- RISE OF THE BENDU
Having seized control of the Republic’s only Death Star, the Confederacy of Independent System appears unchallenged in might. They now race towards the core, destroying all in their path. The Jedi Order is losing numbers, and after learning of Windu’s treachery with the destruction of Kessel, most of the galaxy has turned against the so-called “peacekeepers”. The only symbol of peace in the galaxy now is the mysterious “Bendu”, a Jedi-like figure who takes no side in the war and is only interested in helping those who cannot defend themselves.

Intro
Obi-Wan and Leia arrive on Sereno and meet a near-dead elderly Count Dooku. Obi-Wan offers him a drink and introduces who he believes could become a new apprentice. Dooku laughs, citing the time he betrayed Palpatine and tells Obi-Wan he will never be tricked. He orders Obi-Wan to kill Leia now and takes a sip from his wine. The poison kills him instantly.

Act One
Luke Skywalker is a Jedi turned Bounty Hunter turned Bendu. While both powers are distracted by the war, Canto Bight has emerged as a leading slave trader. Luke goes to the planet and frees the children, although it proves a fatal misstep, for the Confederate fleet, is soon to arrive.

Captured, Luke is taken to General Grevious. Grevious explains the CIS has been taken over by Obi-Wan and Leia… something he will not stand for. For his own petty reasons, Grevious has decided to betray the CIS and wants to work with Luke to destroy the Death Star once and for all. Luke is suspicious, having heard this speech from many people at this point, but nevertheless cautiously agrees.

We also follow two separate subplots - on Serrano, Leia embraces the dark side further under Obi-Wan’s teachings. We discover they are planning to use the Death Star against Coruscant. On Coruscant, Windu and new Republic Chancellor Mon Mothma must deal with the increasing anti-Republic sentiment in the galaxy.

Act Two
In order to defeat Obi-Wan, Luke and Grevious must build an army. To do this they travel to the rundown factories on Geonosis, where restart the foundry. Meanwhile, Chewbacca suggests rallying the Wookies, who have been neutral at this point in the war. Han and Chewie travel to Kasshyyk and are able to convince the Wookies to join the fight. Everyone regroups and heads to Courscant, where they plan to warn the Republic.

Luke has a moment when he returns to the Jedi Temple. The Jedi still consider him a traitor and arrest him. All part of the plan. At his trial, he speaks about the pointlessness to the war and that the true enemy is not the Republic or Confederacy, but the dark side and the Death Star. Mon Mothma agrees to this sentiment and accepts the help of Grevious and the Wookies.

Act Three
The massive opposition lightspeeds to Serenno, where a great battle emerges. Luke, Grevious, and Windu fight their way through the Serenno palace. Grevious and Windu are both killed. Luke, at last, reaches the throne room, where now Emperor Obi-Wan taunts him and uses Leia to fight. After a long, emotional battle, Luke is able to convince Leia to stop. She rethinks her choice and is redeemed, as the children of Anakin Skywalker. Obi-Wan, having turned to the dark side largely due to Anakin’s death, is emotionally beaten and drives his saber into his heart - a partial redemption, if you will.

Luke and Leia walk out of the burning Sith Temple and are met by their many friends and allies. Together, the remnants of the Republic and Confederacy merge into a new Galactic Alliance, ending the years of division that have plagued the galaxy since Palpatine’s meddling. The Jedi are also reorganized into the Bendu, with Yoda and Anakin’s force ghosts watching Luke and Leia happily. Peace has been restored to the galaxy.

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#1297355
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Did the Sith have like, any hobbies at all?
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Maul: Athletics, playing a bunch of droids in a capture the flag game or something.

Dooku: Painting / sculpting / orchestra. I see him as the sort to patron the arts.

Palpatine: Dark side artifact collection, largely to gain power. The type to never stop working.

Vader: We see him in some sort of tube without the suit. He might hate the suit and prefer to be in the bacta, just chilling. Maybe he goes on the Star Wars internet equivalent.

Snoke: Wonder about his backstory.

Kylo: The exact kind of person you’d expect to excessively tweet.

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#1297205
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Let's fix Return of the Jedi - A brief outline
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Luke reveals to her that their father is Darth Vader and that he must defeat him personally.

Later…

Surrendering to Imperial troops, Luke is brought before Vader, and he tries to convince his father to return from the dark side of the Force.

Okay, what? Luke starts off wanting to defeat Vader, yet now he wants to redeem him?

Looks to me like a typo. Can easily be fixed by replacing defeat Vader with defeating the Emperor.

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#1297065
Topic
If you could change one thing about every movie, what would it be?
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I’ve never liked “Obi-Wan had a second apprentice, one named Vader the other Anakin, both turn evil, and then one dies while the other secretly survives.

It feels awfully contrived, and distorts the meaning of the PT to benefit the plot twist in Empire. The PT is all about Anakin’s turn to the dark side as a parallel to Luke’s resistance to the dark side, and both are symbols of the galaxy - in the PT, the Republic falls to the Empire, in the OT, the Rebels resist the Empire.

Removing Anakin’s proper turn to evil is (imo) the equivalent of removing Luke standing up to the Emperor. Instead, we’d just show Vader rising and overthrowing the Emperor, leaving Luke’s story in limbo, until a plot twist in Episode 8 reveals Luke did the right thing. It doesn’t work. Likewise, adding a second apprentice even if to support Obi-Wan’s lie would be the equivalent of adding in a new character (Luke’s sister?) for the sole purpose of having us wonder who will redeem Vader.

Now, this is all implying Lucas’ vision of the PT. It could have been set from an entirely new character’s adventures / struggles and not Anakin, in which case maybe he could have showed up in the first film and then been seemingly killed. But as long as the trilogy is about Anakin’s fall or Obi-Wan’s failure, I don’t think you can thematically justify keeping the plot twist.

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#1296811
Topic
What If: The Separatists Won the Clone Wars?
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STAR WARS: EPISODE V- REIGN OF TERROR
War has spread across the galaxy. The equally corrupt Republic and Confederacy hope to seize control over the galaxy while countless innocents suffer. The Jedi are no longer seen as heroes, but rather “the dogs of Coruscant”.

Intro
Mace Windu arrives on the Republic’s Death Star, where he informs the head of operations, Director Krennic, that Coruscant is displeased by his results. They have a Death Star where the Confederacy does not - how is it Grevious has succeeded in his hit and run attacks? He ends the discussion by informing a humbled Krennic that Chancellor Tarkin himself will be visiting the battle station.

Act One
On Tatooine, Luke, Leia, and Han subdue a wandering Rancor. We learn that in the time since Episode IV, the group has walked away from the war to become bounty hunters. Jabba the Hutt thanks the group for their service defending his palace, and provides them with their payment - a hostage, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

In the time between Episode IV and V, Obi-Wan has fallen out of favor with Dooku (remember, he and Grevious had an intense rivalry, and after losing their Death Star things turned sour). Leia wants Obi-Wan as her prisoner so that she may interrogate him regarding her true parentage. At this point, Luke still believes he is an orphan.

As they return to the Falcon, the group becomes caught up in a great sandstorm. Luke is lost and captured by Tuskan Raiders, after escaping on his own, he has a vision of an unknown Jedi with a facial scar, telling him to visit Dagobah. Han rescues Luke just in time.

On the Falcon, Obi-Wan is interrogated. He admits he has no idea who Leia’s parents are but knows where they would be - on the Republic’s Death Star. Luke questions this, believing Obi-Wan is using them to get back favor with Dooku and the Confederacy, but Leia wants to follow him. Luke and Leia argue. Luke reveals his own vision about the Jedi, which Leia dismisses because the Jedi betrayed them earlier. Luke will not follow them into what he perceives as a Sith trap and walks out.

Act Two
With this, our fractured heroes embark on two quests - Leia, Han, Chewie, C-3PO, and Obi-Wan to the Death Star, while Luke and R2 head to Dagobah.

General Grevious recognizes the Falcon, and realizes his rival Obi-Wan is alive. Wanting to eliminate him once and for all, he commands his fleet to chase them down, leading to a chase through an asteroid belt. During this chase, Han and Leia slowly fall in love.

Meanwhile, Luke reaches Dagobah and is greeted by two strange characters: one an athletic man with red tattoos, and the other an elderly little green alien. The latter introduces himself as Yoda, and the former as only Maul. The two refuse to answer any of Luke’s questions.

But when Luke does something of inherent goodness the two hermits reveal their true intentions. Yoda is a retired Jedi Grandmaster, and knows of Luke’s true parentage… Anakin Skywalker, a hero of the Clone Wars who passed in its closing days. Jedi are not supposed to marry, so when Yoda and Windu realized what had happened, they had to prevent the scandal from reaching the public. If a great Jedi hero had children, all other Jedi might do the same. So they took Padme’s children away from her, lying that they had died in childbirth, and never telling them the truth. Windu rationalized this as a bad thing in the name of many good things, but Yoda could never overcome his guilt and retired to a life of hermitage shortly after.

Later, an evil crimelord, Darth Maul, discovered Yoda’s resting space and came to kill him. Instead of fighting, Yoda stuck to a pacifist ideology and was able to convince Maul not to continue down the dark path. Maul is now only interested in atoning for his sins. The two agree to train Luke, not in the ways of the Jedi, but in the Bendu, the old way which Yoda and Maul have recently adopted.

Meanwhile, Leia flirts with the dark side. The Falcon escapes Grevious and manages to infiltrate the Republic’s Death Star during Chancellor Tarkin’s arrival ceremony. Shortly after the Republic High Command spot Grevious (from his chase with the Falcon) not far away, and therefore conclude some Confederate base must be on the nearby system - Hoth.

Act Three
Grievous returns to Hoth to fortify their position. The Republic prepares for battle, with Tarkin proclaiming this to be a second Kessel.

Obi-Wan and Leia infiltrate the Death Star and manage to find a Holocron Vault. Here, Leia and Obi-Wan learn that Anakin Skywalker is her father. On Dagobah, Luke senses this disturbance, and realizes Yoda did not tell him the entire story - Leia is his sister! Despite Yoda’s pleading, Luke leaves for Hoth.

The Republic catches Han and Chewie. Leia wants to go and rescue them, but Obi-Wan refuses, pointing out how dangerous it would be. Just then they arrive on Hoth. Grevious has built an experimental, planetary defense shield to stop the Death Star, so the Republic must first land walkers onto this Echo Base to allow the Death Star to fire.

Obi-Wan takes Leia to control room, where he reveals his real reason for agreeing to help her - he indeed wanted to stop it and earn back favor with Dooku. He wants to transfer control of the Death Star to the Confederacy. Leia initially attacks him, but after Obi-Wan reasons, it will save an innocent planet she backs down and helps him.

Han and Chewie are about to be executed when Luke arrives. He saves the gang and they all go to confront Obi-Wan and Leia. Luke wants Leia to destroy the Death Star while Obi-Wan wants her to transfer control. Leia sides with Obi-Wan, completing her turn to the dark side and pushes Luke to his presumed death. He is saved at the last second by Han, and they all escape as Obi-Wan and Leia seize the control room, arrest and kill Chancellor Tarkin for war crimes, and stop the destruction of Hoth.

Windu and the rest of the Republic retreat while the Confederacy celebrates Obi-Wan as a hero once again. Luke returns to Dagobah with Han, Chewie, and the Droids, promising to complete his training in proper and save his sister from the dark side.

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#1296789
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I like this. Battle of Heroes definitely makes you enjoy the fight, but unlike the duel with Maul you shouldn’t really enjoy seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin fight.

However, I think there should be some music here. Without it, it feels strange. Something soft and tragic to make us feel saddened by the fight. I overlayed this piece from Infinity War onto your clip and it worked well (maybe increase the volume for it a bit) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjCCWD-bL0

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#1296132
Topic
What If: The Separatists Won the Clone Wars?
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STAR WARS: EPISODE IV - THE PLANET KILLER
The galaxy is in a state of the cold war. Tensions are high between the Republic and Confederacy, with the former claiming the Confederates pawns of the Dark Side, and the latter claiming the Republic inherently corrupt. As a result, both powers have entered a massive arms race.

Rumor has it the Confederacy is developing a weapon that will turn the Republic’s fleet useless - “The Death Star”, an abandoned Geonosison project from the Clone Wars. Jedi Knight Ahsoka Tano is sent to investigate…

Intro
Ahsoka meets Saw Gerrera on Jedha, a Confederate world. Gerrera is leading a morally-questionable undercover resistance that is nevertheless backed by the Republic thanks to common interests. Gerrera gives Ahsoka the Death Star plans. Suddenly, the Confederacy arrives, led by the fearsome General Grievous.

A battle ensues. Ahsoka gives the plans to her droid, R2D2, but not before the camp is overrun. The Confederacy arrests Ahsoka on premises of trespass. R2 gets away just in time.

On the command ship, Ahsoka is interrogated by Grievous and much to her surprise… Obi-Wan Kenobi. The Jedi thought he died shortly after Anakin. Despite turning evil Obi-Wan is still charming, as he and Grievous have a round of good cop / bad cop to get Ahsoka to reveal where she put the Death Star plans. But after getting the necessary information, Obi-Wan drops all formalities and lets Grievous kill his former ally. The two later speak with a hologram of Count Dooku, and we learn that they are rivals for the Count’s right hand.

In deep space, R2D2 commands an escape pod. It is captured by pirates.

Act One
On Coruscant we are introduced to our two main characters: Jedi Trainees Luke Starkiller and Leia Amidala, as well the annoying droid C-3PO, who is responsible for teaching and watching them. Luke and Leia are both orphans, saved by the Jedi, and have been close friends since childhood. Both are eager for adventure, but despite their older age the Council has yet to make either a padawan.

They eagerly attend their yearly graduation, expecting this year to be the year they are chosen by a Knight to be Padawan but are skunked once again. Luke is angry but believes the Jedi must have some reasoning, while Leia thinks the Jedi are purposefully holding them back. Leia convinces Luke to leave the Jedi Temple, just for a day.

They wander through a Coruscant Trading Yard, filled with shady dealers. Leia finds an offline R2D2 and recognizes its markings as Jedi. When she touches it, she has a startling vision that plays the events of the prequel trilogy.

Luke and Leia purchase the droid with all their credits just as C-3PO arrives, having followed them all this way. They are annoyed when suddenly, some offline Battle Droids turn on and shoot at the Jedi. Luke, Leia, and the droids manage to escape and head to the Coruscant underworld.

In a safe location, they find Ahsoka’s message and realize what this means. Luke wants to hand the information over to Jedi, but Leia sees this as an opportunity. How much longer until they are chosen to be Jedi? She argues they are ready now. When Luke further probes her, Leia reveals she also thinks she saw her real father in a force vision.

Knowing the coordinates of the Death Star construction site, Luke and Leia head to a discrete club in search of a pilot. It is here we meet smugglers Han Solo and Chewbacca. Leia tells him they are Jedi on a top-secret mission. Han initially thinks they are frauds, but when Luke uses the force, he thinks otherwise and agrees to help the Jedi for 17,000 credits.

Act Two
Chancellor Willuff Tarkin and Jedi Grandmaster Mace Windu discuss the rising power of the Confederacy. Windu is worried, so Tarkin suggests they execute Order 99. Windu seems shaken by the very words but nevertheless agrees.

The Millenium Falcon takes off for the neutral world Kessel. On Kessel, Obi-Wan and Grievous negotiate the process of building overhead. With the Kyber Crystals from Jedha installed, all the Confederacy now needs is coaxium. We are introduced to the Kessel Natives, who control the planet, and learn that they are leaning towards union with the CIS.

The Millenium Falcon is interrupted in the midst of hyperspace, and long story short, we have the Kessel Run. Leia doesn’t seem to mind, after all, Han said he’s done it before. Then Han reveals he lied to get their attention. Despite the insurmountable odds, Han is able to survive, and ironically makes the trip in 12 parsecs.

Checking the plans, Luke and Leia realize the unthinkable: it is counting down to the destruction of Kessel. The Confederacy must be hiding the fact that their weapon is already operational.

But also by this point, Han realizes Luke and Leia aren’t real Jedi and gets rightfully angry. He wanted credits, not a suicide mission! Despite Luke and Leia’s pleas to “do the right thing”, Han abandons them on Kessel. Without Han, Luke and Leia infiltrate the mining facility and shut down the shields. Leia confronts Obi-Wan, who tells them they are fighting for the wrong side, but the two are able to outrun him. They steal starfighters and head towards the undefended trench run when suddenly, a massive Confederate fleet arrives! All seem lost when…

Act Three
A giant Republic fleet retaliates, commanded by Windu. And just like that, the Galactic Cold War sparks hot and the fleets clash. Luke and Leia attempt to hit the trench run just right, but keep failing, with the countdown getting closer and closer. Obi-Wan boards his own ship and shoots at them.

Luke’s ship is damaged and he must retreat, so it is soon all up to Leia. When all seems lost, the Millenium Falcon appears and blows up Obi-Wan’s ship. Leia fires the proton torpedoes at the last second, imploding the weapon and saving the day.

Everyone celebrates. But then Luke realizes something is off. The countdown hasn’t shut down…

Windu informs the Chancellor the Confederacy has been neutralized and it is time to execute Order 99. A fully-functioning Republic Death Star emerges out of hyperspace, and within seconds, destroys Kessel for allying with the CIS. The peaceful Kessel Natives try to run, but all are killed.

The Death Star plans were never by the Confederacy, they were by the Republic. The CIS was only answering with their own Death Star to prevent the Republic from doing what just happened to Kessel via mutually assured destruction. Now, by no means is the CIS the good guys here. Rather, both forces are equally destructive on their desire to one-up the other. Such is the nature of a cold war.

In a final scene, the phony Chancellor Tarkin proclaims the tragedy of Kessel is the fault of the CIS and promises vengeance for the Republic in a Second Clone War. War has returned to the galaxy.

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What If: The Separatists Won the Clone Wars?
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Part of it sounds WAY too similar to The Last Jedi.

Yeah, I stole most of the finale from the throne room 😃

It was a cool scene. And with the butterfly effect, it is unlikely TLJ will happen. I am trying to somewhat align with the original films, so to pull off the reverse of Palpatine winning, I have the Snoke Throne Room.