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#1320931
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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FreezingTNT2 said:

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t take issue with TROS’s force healing. It understands the Jedi from the OT far more than the PT. They are warriors, yes, but they fight with the intent of peace. Luke only became a true Jedi on the Death Star: Jabba’s Sail Barge was a dark side action.

Force healing is easy to comprehend. An injured character can be healed without the death of the healer, although it drains a lot of their energy, and can’t be done in the middle of a battleground. For fatal wounds, the healer must sacrifice themself.

In TROS, Leia transfers her life-force into Ben, which allows Rey to heal a fatal wound in Ben without her dying. It is Leia who dies in this scene. But on Exogel, there isn’t anyone to help, so Ben makes the ultimate sacrifice to Rey. It’s very poetic and definitely an act of the light side, eliminating wounds and saving the lives of others (NOT yourself).

If we must prove why this works within the larger context of Star Wars…
–Obi-Wan was a young knight who promised his master to train Anakin. He would not sacrifice himself for his master, nor would Qui-Gon have wanted him to.
–Yoda and Obi-Wan were the sole survivors of Order 66, but also some of the strongest Jedi and the most aware of the situation. It would not do to sacrifice themselves and leave a new Jedi left confused and wondering what’s up, only to be shot down.
–Luke was Anakin’s son, so Anakin would not have allowed him to sacrifice himself. Luke had much more to live for.

Force healing still undermines the concept of death and kills any tension in future Star Wars movies.

Not really. Look at my examples. All scenarios where force healing isn’t an option.

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#1320716
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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I don’t take issue with TROS’s force healing. It understands the Jedi from the OT far more than the PT. They are warriors, yes, but they fight with the intent of peace. Luke only became a true Jedi on the Death Star: Jabba’s Sail Barge was a dark side action.

Force healing is easy to comprehend. An injured character can be healed without the death of the healer, although it drains a lot of their energy, and can’t be done in the middle of a battleground. For fatal wounds, the healer must sacrifice themself.

In TROS, Leia transfers her life-force into Ben, which allows Rey to heal a fatal wound in Ben without her dying. It is Leia who dies in this scene. But on Exogel, there isn’t anyone to help, so Ben makes the ultimate sacrifice to Rey. It’s very poetic and definitely an act of the light side, eliminating wounds and saving the lives of others (NOT yourself).

If we must prove why this works within the larger context of Star Wars…
–Obi-Wan was a young knight who promised his master to train Anakin. He would not sacrifice himself for his master, nor would Qui-Gon have wanted him to.
–Yoda and Obi-Wan were the sole survivors of Order 66, but also some of the strongest Jedi and the most aware of the situation. It would not do to sacrifice themselves and leave a new Jedi left confused and wondering what’s up, only to be shot down.
–Luke was Anakin’s son, so Anakin would not have allowed him to sacrifice himself. Luke had much more to live for.

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#1320357
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

I mean, Snoke is neither a main character nor the ruler of the galaxy, so I’m not sure that’s the most salient point.

I was referring to Kylo.

I thought we were talking about TFA. I feel like the political situation is pretty unconfusing in both TLJ and TROS.

If you mean derivative, then yes, the ST more or less repeats the OT to the point I have to wonder if it damages the overall themes more, because by including another 30 years worth of evil rising and good winning, it almost seems to imply the conflict will never end.

Almost like that was the point (well, before TROS muddled the waters).

True. TLJ does try at some solid themes. Although, I wish TFA had just gone ahead and started fresh with something original.

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#1320353
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

I mean, Snoke is neither a main character nor the ruler of the galaxy, so I’m not sure that’s the most salient point.

I was referring to Kylo.

I thought we were talking about TFA. I feel like the political situation is pretty unconfusing in both TLJ and TROS.

If you mean derivative, then yes, the ST more or less repeats the OT to the point I have to wonder if it damages the overall themes more, because by including another 30 years worth of evil rising and good winning, it almost seems to imply the conflict will never end.

But I’m rambling at this point.

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#1320328
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Wexter said:

Of course they could have made a much more personal story without the need to flesh out the political state of the Galaxy. It’s just complicated when some of the most prominent characters are a “supreme leader”, a general princess and the last Jedi master. Not calling for six hours of Senate meetings here, just a clear idea about the current state of the Galaxy. But I guess that’s just another mystery box.

Exactly. No one is calling out the Mandalorian for not explaining the exact logistics of the Guild, Garrison or New Republic… because they aren’t important to the story. I’d say a movie that picks off right after the old government was toppled should explore what’s next.

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#1320317
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

It’s a such a small aspect of the film, I don’t really care that it’s confusing. I’ll take the ST. The politics in the PT were not only boring, they often didn’t make sense and they didn’t add much to the story.

I’ve never really understood this complaint. There are only two “political” scenes in the PT, one for TPM and one for AOTC. In TPM, the entire point of the story so far is to get to Coruscant to reveal what the Trade Federation is up to to the Senate, so the Republic can save the day. But we learn here that the Trade Federation has a significant hold over the Senate, which leads to a vote of no confidence which is super important for Palpatine (and the probably the most dynamic event that can happen in politics). Nevertheless, the heroes must handle the problem with the Senate’s help.

Similarly, the only political scene in AOTC is pivotal to the plot. Should the Republic war with the Separatists? This is built up throughout the story and once it happens is very quick and to the point: Jar Jar says let’s get the Chancellor supreme powers, and the other Senators vote yes.

And then what? Palpatine declaring the Republic now an Empire? That barely counts as politics. The PT’s politics aren’t epic by any means, but they also aren’t the evil people tend to blame them as. The real issue with those movies was its characters and weird plot structure.

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#1320287
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Wexter said:

The weird thing about the new trilogy is that the state of the larger galaxy is just absolutely incomprehensible. While the prequels clearly show the might and fall of the Old Republic, the OT depicts the Rebel Alliance defeating Palpatine’s Empire. The obvious next step would probably be showing the struggles of the New Republic or something along those lines.

Instead we got what seems to be two fringe groups of fanatics and has-beens fighting it out in the Outer Rim while the larger galaxy doesn’t really care about any of that until like the last ten minutes of the story.

This is very true. Imagine watching the Saga for the first time. You finish each movie and are probably like:

TPM: Yay! I wonder what adventures Obi-Wan and Anakin will go on!
AOTC: Oooh! I wonder what this clone war will entail!
ROTS: Woah! I wonder how Luke and Leia will save the galaxy!
ANH: Yay! I wonder what adventures Luke and co will have!
TESB: Woah! I wonder how they will save Han, and if Vader is Luke’s father!
ROTJ: Yay! I wonder what will happen next now that the Empire is defeated.

And sure you’ll have more fun watching TFA then any of the prequel movies, but you will also be a bit confused and disappointed how 180 the direction went. I think everyone was chill with this in 2015 because we were under the impression the mystery box would explain a huge galaxy-changing twist about the stuff between 6 and 7. It really doesn’t.

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#1320285
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Rumor - Star Wars: 2022 High Republic Era
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DominicCobb said:

There’s no reason there has to be peace for a thousand generations. Ben just says the Jedi were the guardians of peace in that time.

Palpatine in AOTC says the Republic has stood for a thousand years. Potentially a discrepancy between that and Ben’s line, but you could explain it. Either way neither of them says there was no war at all for that long.

Ah, nice. So going off that we could say:

The Jedi have stood for a thousand generations, acting as a separate religion, and when the Republic was formed they became their guardians of peace and justice. It makes sense for Ben to group the two together when explaining to a young boy with a limited attention span.

The Republic was founded one thousand years ago, and could have had all the major conflicts Disney wants to fill their story. Personally I’m very excited to explore this period.

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#1320281
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Rumor - Star Wars: 2022 High Republic Era
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The whole concept of “The Republic” lasting even over a thousand years at peace is frankly ridiculous at an intergalactic setting. There are so many people, so many ideologies, so many changes to culture with such scale. I could buy it if the Republic has fought a large-scale conflict every hundred years or so, resetting the public consciousness in favor of the government, but even then “a thousand generations” is all too silly.

I’d agree to see a younger Yoda could backfire, but if keep him one of many other characters it should work. He might never be in danger but those around him will. Yoda has never revealed much about his past, so anyone besides him in this new era can be killed.

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#1320204
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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EddieDean said:

Outbound, I absolutely love that! That’s exactly why I posted what I did, in hopes someone could take those thoughts further. I wonder if some other reorderings might work with that too.

For example, you could possibly put the DS2 fight as the very end fight. Kylo and Rey kill Paplatine (Rey dies, Kylo heals her - force healing is a DARK power), Kylo and Rey kill Snoke (Kylo’s true master - he’s coming to the light but still wants to rule), Luke shows Kylo the power of the light on Crait, then Kylo flees to the DS2 wreckage (for what? not sure. power?), only for Rey to fight him, Leia to distract him, Rey to nearly kill him, Rey to heal him (having learned it from him, and deciding to use a little of the dark), but then ultimately to leave him. Then Han’s memory makes him throw his blade into the sea - the end of his tale.

We also have the option of making the Snoke’s flagship hyperspace destruction into something Luke does with the force, for those who don’t like the complications that adds to SW physics.

I’d also edit the scene of Snoke clones in Palpatine’s tanks to Palpatine clones.

Also, a massive advantage of your structure like that is that we get the best character development for the side characters in the final chapter. For Poe, across the films his arc becomes: Heroic > Possibly murky past > Heroic to the point of being a bad leader > Good leader. For Finn, it’s: Flees First Order > attached to Rey > joins rebels loosely > properly commits to rebels > ‘saving what we love’.

This was my initial idea because I felt it weird at first to have the final fight of the trilogy be between Luke and Kylo. You could cut out DS2 in 8 and move it to right after Crait. But I found it too complicated to explain why we are going from Crait to DS2, particularly when you consider who Crait is framed, it is the emotional ending to the saga, even if it doesn’t have the thrills to make for a good trilogy climax.

Also, you’d miss out on Jannah for Finn, because they all take place on the same planet as DS2.

EddieDean said:

Ooft, here’s an idea for an ending. On the back of Outbound’s flipped movies idea, with Luke only dying near the end of the third movie, how about this:

  • Kylo has his memory intervention and throws his lightsaber into the sea. End for him.
  • We cut to a truncated version of the Rey/Leia training - this is happening as an epilogue. Leia sends Rey off to train, and we get that training montage cut to match the following (cut from her training with Luke and a couple of other sources) “Who am I? No-one. Someone. Light. Darkness. Life. Death. Warmth. Cold. Peace. Violence… Balance. Energy. I am the force.”
  • Cut to credits.

[I’m not trying to imply she’s the living force, with that, so much as accepting that she’s accepting that the force is balance, and flows through her. “I am one with the force, the force is with me”]

NGL I prefer the idea of Rey and Ben finally getting together at very end, adapting the final scene of TROS… the force montage is a cool idea, I just think it should be second to last. Then Rey goes to bury the lightsabers and finds Ben waiting for her.

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#1320197
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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That whole scene is terrible. It comes out of nowhere, contradicting Finn and Rose’s characters, and the way it’s shot is comical. The first time I saw it I thought I was watching a HISHE episode… as she says saving what we love the Resistance blows up in the background. There’s some amazing scenes in TLJ, but this isn’t one of them.

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#1320069
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

DominicCobb said:

idir_hh said:

I disagree, a story is like looking at a finished picture puzzle, the specifics are the pieces that make the puzzle, if you have two puzzles with different pieces but end up with the same picture it’s really irrelevant that the pieces were different.

But what you’re describing is that the whole picture is just the plot. That’s silly. The picture would be the story. The plot would just be what the shapes are that put the pieces together. But it’s a bad analogy.

Think of it more like a building. The plot is just the foundation. It’s what you build on top of that that really matters.

Um… a story is the overall chain of events. A lot of real stories can be boring. You could make a movie about someone’s day at work and if you pick a normal day the movie would be boring.

Most movies come down to executions. I think you could make an interesting movie about your day at work. The script would be boring, but if you create good tension through editing and hire some good actors, it would make for an engaging movie.

My biggest issue with CT as Episode 9 director is this. He is not the best at executions (whereas JJ very much, love it or hate it TROS is at the very least exciting to watch brainlessly). Jurassic World should be engaging, for instance, but it was more a boring action movie than action/horror like it’s predecessors. And apparently he made a really bad movie after JW, which I haven’t seen. So I don’t really trust him on that part.

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#1319850
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SparkySywer said:

RogueLeader said:

RJ said he created Rose because he felt Finn and Poe had the same voice, but imagine the Rose and Finn conversation about war, but Poe took Finn’s place and Finn took Rose’s place. Poe likes being the hero and does whatever he can to win, but considering Finn is a literal child soldier, he knows all about the costs of war.

Rose is not talking to Finn about how bad war is. She’s talking about how war against the First Order is good, justified and necessary, and that Canto Bight is awful for supporting the First Order, not for supporting war.

In that case, why does Rose save Finn from killing himself for no purpose? Wasn’t the point of her speech to inspire him to fight against the First Order?

Yes, I know common sense don’t sacrifice yourself for no reason, but it would be a much clearer telling of the theme if you had the character learn about it and then react accordingly, not learn about it and overdo it to the point the same character who inspired you to do it now tells you a new message… right at the climax?

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#1319827
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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EddieDean said:

I was thinking about radical reordering to the trilogy, and toying with the idea of having Palpatine’s return be a ‘sidequest’ of Snoke’s as part of Kylo’s training. Sort of ‘I’ve detected a rival Sith, go deal with them for me’. That way you could keep some of Palpatine without it being an unsatisfying attempt to put a capper on the Skywalker saga, and keep it framed as part of this new, different story. Does anyone have any thoughts about that?

That got me on to thinking about any other kind of radical restructures we might have available to us. And fundamentally, any such option needs to first ask the question: What arcs are sufficient to build a trilogy (or duology or whatever) around? And the problem with the sequel trilogy is, nearly nobody has a satisfying arc. To my mind you have:

REY:
A nobody gets dragged into a destiny, shows force proficiency, becomes Luke Skywalker’s hope for the future of the Jedi, develops a relationship with the conflicted Kylo Ren (who exploits her nothingness to gain her power), grows in power, tracks down and kills a half-reborn Palpatine (who she learns she was related to all along), nearly dies but is saved by Kylo, declares herself Skywalker. It’s our second-strongest arc but Palpatine comes out of nowhere and other than the revelation that she’s related to him, her defeat of him doesn’t contribute to her growth.

KYLO REN:
The legacy of Vader wishes to emulate him, gains power under Snoke, is conflicted by his killing of his father, develops a relationship with the suprisingly powerful Rey, kills Snoke to gain more power, is conflicted by his meeting fails to convince Rey to join him for evil, is conflicted by his relationship with Luke Skywalker, finds and submits to Palpatine, then turns to the light, gets nearly killed by Palpatine, then dies to kill an injured Rey.
It’s our strongest arc but Palpatine comes out of nowhere, and isn’t relevant to his character arc.

Taking the above two alone, the strongest story between them is that they meet each other, develop this awkward relationship, turn on Snoke (for different reasons), attempt to convince each other of their philosophies, then Kylo turns to the light, and they defeat Palpatine. But again, that Palpatine ending just isn’t satisfying. I feel like the Palpatine and Snoke kills should be punctual steps on their journey together, but which utimately end with them in conflict with one another. I’m trying to think of moments which could be used as the punctual final point of their story. There’s the moment when they fight and Rey appears to kill Kylo (before healing him). But that’s about where I can’t take the thought any further.

This has inspired me. Here is one very radical take… swap TLJ and TROS.

Episode 8: DUEL OF THE FATES (Apparently this was the initial name for 9)
Crawls establishes it has been several months since TLJ, in this the Republic military has fought a desperate campaign but without its core infrastructure been defeated and that Snoke rules the galaxy. Rey trains under a PTSD Luke while Kylo trains under Snoke to become a true Sith Lord.

Act One
The first twenty minutes or so should be of TLJ, to wrap up some plot threads. Luke has to be handled in a subtle manner. I don’t want to destroy TLJ’s themes, but we can’t introduce all of them unresolved here, so instead, I would make his sadness more fear of Rey turning evil. It could start with the scenes of Luke training Rey (having agreed to train off-camera) and then later having his “who are you?” speech that plants seeds of doubt in his mind.

Meanwhile, Kylo Ren should train under Snoke. I mentioned a couple of days earlier this fanfilm (https://youtu.be/owrmLeX20CY?t=95) I think it would be a huge help here for a symbolic training scene within his mind. Snoke should be completely redubbed to maximize the little screentime we have.

The big drive for the plot will be Rey and Kylo’s force skype. This gets the two characters emotionally attached: which is the crux for the trilogy. I think it would be really effective to plant Luke’s seeds of doubt towards Rey’s willingness to the darkness through her repeated failures, and THEN when he sees those two touching hands gets angry, and Rey leaves to rejoin the fight. Afterward, Luke gets his failure speech and realizes his mistakes.

Meanwhile, Snoke is pleased to see Kylo is near complete with his training, the only remaining mission is to go to Exogel, the ancient Sith Homeworld, but does not tell him what is there.

Act Two
This is where TROS begins. We won’t see the Resistance up until now to feel isolated just like Rey was on Ach-To, but now the rest of the characters get to shine. Getting our big three together in the second installment will let them build off each other, so we care more about the challenges they go through in 9 (because most of these characters don’t really have arcs in TROS).

So Kylo goes to Exogel and learns Palpatine is just vibing. No “Snoke is a clone” speech: the two Sith Masters won’t reveal their relations until the third act. Kylo wants to kill Palpatine there, but he offers him a secret fleet of Imperial Era Star Destroyers (let’s remove the superweapons for simplicity). All he must do is bring Rey.

Rey and company go to Desert Planet, then to Ice Planet, (where we learn about Poe) and then the Star Destroyer break-in. No Rey Palpatine. Next, the Death Star II, and when Rey finally understands the dangers of the dark side runs off back to Luke. The TROS scenes on Ach-To could be adjusted by cutting in footage of alive Luke from TLJ, but with the same general audio about confronting your fear (unlike himself).

Act Three
Palpatine plots his “Final Order” when Rey arrives, alone. The Resistance fleet arrives to take down the “Final Order” in a great battle, but there is no triumphant victory: they get wrecked and their fleet destroyed. When all seems lost, Rey reveals she’s brought help: Kylo, his lightsaber recolored red. The two work together to kill Palpatine (to duel of the fates), and kiss at the end.

Rey returns to Ach-To to complete her training. Meanwhile, Kylo returns to the (redubbed) Snoke. Snoke explains his pleased he could defeat his Palpatine clone, which he engineered purely as a right to passage. (This should hopefully connect the ST and avoid the “villain of the week” issue).

Episode 9: THE LAST SKYWALKER
In the past year, Rey and Kylo continue to speak, trying to turn the other to their respective branches of the force, but neither has succeeded. Meanwhile, the Resistance is down to one starship, and it would appear hope is lost in the galaxy.

Act One
The Last Jedi. Poe blows up the dreadnought and is demoted. Finn runs into Rose and they have their adventures (hopefully trimmed). Rey will have a few scenes, but less so than in TLJ because a good amount was already shown. Her parents will finally be explored here, so maybe the cave.

Act Two
Rey and Kylo have a final force call where they talk about who will turn. Then she turns herself into the Supremacy. The two kill Snoke (which would be a big twist considering he’s the main bad guy of the trilogy to this point) but still cannot agree with each other.

We also learn Rey is a nobody, and this is later followed up with the Broom Boy near the end movie, so that theme stays intact. Another possible theme saved is Finn’s arc. He and Phasma will now be rivals for an entire trilogy, so their final fight will be more impactful. The deleted scene of him getting stormtroopers on his side might also complete his arc of (1. Leaving the FO; 2. Meeting other Deserters; 3. Inspiring others to desert).

Act Three
Crait happens (keep in mind regular TLJ has been running through and we are now around the 2 hr mark). Luke makes his big reveal after a trilogy of buildup, buying the Resistance time and inspiring hope throughout the galaxy, while Rey saves her actual friends whom she has relationships with from TROS.

The final scenes will be Ben standing back at the Death Star II from the last movie, meeting Han, and rejecting the dark side. Then, the last scene of TROS, but with Ben added into the shot, suggesting the two are finally together on the light side.

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#1319627
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t see why not.

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Which could be a hyperbolic statement.

But nah, take everything everyone says in these silly movies 110% literally. Then ask why Palpatine funnelled money into the Death Stars instead of just tearing planets apart with the Force.

Palpatine never truly understood the force. He thought of it as a means to power, like how we harness the natural laws of gravity to increase space-flight times: whereas the Jedi respect it, and understand its full potential.

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#1319463
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations - <strong>NO SPOILERS</strong>
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DrDre said:

The road to final installment of the ST has been quite different from the OT and PT. Many people have argued, that TLJ feels more like the end of a trilogy than a middle act. Given the waning interest in Star Wars in general, my guess is, that TROS will end up near RO levels, which was also a December release. The fact that TROS is the conclusion to the Skywalker saga might draw in more people, but given that interest is at an all time low, I think TROS just breaking the $1B mark is not at all an unlikely scenario.

DrDre, I have to say, bravo. When this thread started everyone - including myself - thought you were crazy for predicting the movie wouldn’t surpass TLJ, let alone barely break a billion. But you stuck to your opinion, and wow, it proved true!

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#1319243
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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So I be wandering youtube and I run into this wonderful little fanfilm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrmLeX20CY

Not of the best quality, but a fun, uncanon idea that serves its purpose. But naturally, I started thinking about fanediting.

I wonder if we could make this scene “Kylo’s training” in TLJ. The moment Snoke zaps him with lightning, we could cut to a trimmed version of this: planted by Snoke, taking place inside Ben’s mind. It would show how Kylo uses Vader as an idol, and the ending (where he kills Vader) could symbolize “letting the past die”.

For edits meant to be seamless, this wouldn’t work: the costumes are cheesy, the audio is all off, and the choreography pretty boring. But for more radical edits I thought it might be something to throw out.

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#1319114
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Cthulhunicron said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

Valheru_84 said:

You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉

You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.

That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified.

The walkers don’t make sense. Neither does the two-dimensional space flight. Nor the idea of a giant slug being sexually attracted to humanoid women.

Apples and oranges. There’s a slight suspension of disbelief with the original three movies. TROS is complete nonsense by comparison. Palpatine is resurrected with no explanation. The Sith Eternal somehow create a fleet bigger than the First Order with no explanation. The Sith fleet can’t leave Exegol even though apparently ships have been coming and going for decades. A gigantic piece of the Death Star survives the explosion in ROTJ and re-entry through an atmosphere with no explanation. Ochi for some reason has a dagger that is shaped to fit along the skyline of the wreckage, and for some reason it has Sith writing, telling him where to find the holocron, even though he already knows where it is. Did he make the dagger? Did he find it? Who knows, cause the movie never tells us. Hux saves Poe and Finn, despite not having any real reason to do so. I could go on and on.

Need I answer every question? Ok…

  1. Palpatine has a Sith Cult caring for him. I would imagine this same cult brought him from the Death Star (which we can see survived in part).

  2. Palpatine has the Empire’s resources while he as building the fleet. Probably with the intention of using them for the Empire before it died. The First Order was the remnants of Imperial Officers in the unknown regions, they didn’t have the same resources.

  3. The fleet might be big but it has a skeleton crew. Hence the need to leave by transmitter. This wasn’t a problem when there weren’t x-wings attacking.

  4. Physics has never mattered before: the Death Star can explode in any which way it wants.

  5. The dagger seems to have been a route for Ochi to reach Exogel. This makes sense because how else would be reach the hidden planet. Stuff like this shouldn’t be explained in flashbacks. It diminishes the story’s focus.

  6. Hux dislikes Ren. He wants him to lose power so he can take over. This is clearly established throughout the trilogy.

The point of this isn’t to answer random plot holes but to show the story is logical, it just requires a great deal of thinking and filling in blanks afterwards. The pacing is rushed to tell the full narrative. This fine by me if it means telling a more engaging story. No one wants to suddenly dive into a wookiepedia article as Palpatine explains all his friends on Kuat Drive Yards, which then have no relevance to the plot. What matters is he’s back and the galaxy needs to stop him.