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#1217131
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Culture, politics, and diversity in Star Wars
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I think the whole “Disney is taken over by SJWs and we need to get rid of Kennedy” thing ridiculous. Some people are saying TLJ has too many women, but there are 8 male primary characters (not counting droids) and 5 females. Honestly, the OT is worse with politics than the ST, the only female primary character is Leia and she needs to be rescued numerous occasions.

-Yes, Rey is a Mary Sue. But that has nothing to do with her gender. If she was male I’d feel exactly the same. I can’t speak for others but the problem is in the writing of the character. Rey needs to fly the falcon because she is the only one who can fly a ship (before Finn needs a pilot so he can’t fly). Rey needs to speak Wookiee because she is taking Han’s place so to speak. And Rey had to beat Kylo Ren, as much as I don’t like that they weakened the villain it needed to happen. The hero needs to win at the end of the day- in ANH Luke beat Vader not through a fight but in space. TFA couldn’t just copy the ending of that movie and it needed a lightsaber duel. Imagine if Rey had lost and the cracking of the rocks saved her- everyone would have been at a very down note. Kylo had gotten away, killed Han, and beaten up our main character. In the TLJ the problem could have been easily fixed, but Rian Johnson was more interested in taking the story in another direction and didn’t put much focus on her.

-Why are people calling Holdo, “Vice Admiral Gender Studies”? They’re the sexist ones. Is it just because Holdo is in charge and she’s a women? Withholding the plans was dumb but again, it’s a writing issue on Rian Johnson. Poe needed to learn about leadership. Replacing her with Ackbar won’t change anything except he wouldn’t be able to do real acting (facial expressions, slight changes in tone, distracting voice).

-Yes, Canto Bight is a bit on the nose but I like the concept. Rian Johnson was given a star wars movie. The entire world is watching, so why not bring to attention a problem that both our world and the SW galaxy share? This isn’t SJW interference, this is a theme. People criticize the MCU for just being blockbuster without telling its audience anything. TLJ has one 20 minute sequence about something bigger than a fictional conflict (whole still fitting into that main conflict) and everyone flips out.

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#1216853
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Star Wars Episode VII, VIII, IX George Lucas original story outline, scripts, treatments or his ideas
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MalàStrana said:

Jason, I would reply to all of your queries but I feel you should ask them first to OutboundFlight, to whom I was replying to his “Kennedy could have said no to Lucas’s crazy ideas, but keep the good ones.” statement. Given the 4 SW movies created under Kennedy (where crazy weird ideas made their way into the final products in spite of Kennedy producing), I’ve got enough proof that this very statement is wrong. Then ask OutboundFlight this question:

Ok, give me your evidence of all the times Kennedy has allowed “crazy weird ideas” to slip into production.

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#1216780
Topic
The Last Jedi- Full Movie Re-Edit
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ChainsawAsh said:

I’m wondering if it would be wise for other fan editors to report him for doing so somehow - as in, whether that would be a good “cover our ass” move, or if it would just put even more of a target on the community’s back…

I don’t think Disney is too aware of the fan editing community, best for them not to be alerted. If it gets worse the mods could lock the thread (so if Disney ever shuts him down OT.com will be unrelated and have proof of not supporting him).

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#1216350
Topic
Star Wars Episode VII, VIII, IX George Lucas original story outline, scripts, treatments or his ideas
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Lucas was tired of fans criticizing everything he does. If the prequels had been well received, he would have made a ST (he had finished raising a family, the reason he quit after 1983). While I disagree with the special editions and the overall enjoyment of PT, I can imagine it must be annoying to have people complaining about changing something you created in the first place.

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#1216345
Topic
Star Wars Episode VII, VIII, IX George Lucas original story outline, scripts, treatments or his ideas
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Lucas is an ideas man. I think Disney could have put him in control of the Lucasfilm along with Kathleen Kennedy. Kennedy could have said no to Lucas’s crazy ideas, but keep the good ones. Kasden would help with the dialogue. Each installment would have a new director who helps express Lucas’s vision while adding touches of their own.

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#1215448
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Something that’s always pestered me is that of the six original movies, there are 10 light saber duels and half of them as in ROTS. Most movie had one proper big “duel” towards the end, but ROTS has:

  1. Obi-Wan and Anakin VS Dokou
  2. Obi-Wan VS Grevious
  3. Mace Windu VS Palpatine
  4. Yoda VS Palpatine
  5. Obi-Wan VS Anakin

I wonder if this can be changed. Count Dokou is hard to fix because it is so instrumental to the plot. The only thing I can think of is cutting after Obi-Wan goes unconscious to when we wakes up in the elevator shaft. Not the best fix, but this duel really lacks stakes.

For Grevious- what if he wasn’t a Jedi Killer, but merely a tactician? When it comes to fighting he will always run and hide, and now without Count Dokou it is only a matter of time before the Jedi hunt him down. His only purpose would be to provide a reason for Obi-Wan to be away from Coruscant. The entire duel is cut and the focus is kept on Anakin and Palpatine.

The Mace duel could be cut entirely save the opening conversation and finale. We only see what Anakin sees: Mace holding Palpatine at saberpoint.

The only thing the Yoda duel does is diminish to great powerful characters into video game bosses, so it should be cut entirely.

The Mustafar duel is epic, but could be trimmed. After watching Duel of the Fates I noticed there was a 10 minute gap and when it returned the characters were all in different places. This created the allusion the battle had been going for hours, and as we all know they mind always does it better than when explicitly told. So what if there was a cut after the first couple minutes to the lava ocean towards the end?

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#1214279
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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The Prequels come out: AHHH ITS NOT LIKE OUR BELOVED STAR WARS

TFA and R1 come out: AHHHH ITS TOO MUCH LIKE OUR GREAT BELOVED STAR WARZ

TLJ comes out: AHHHH IT’S NOT LIKE OUR GREAT BELOVED PERFECT STOR WARZ

I even heard critics dismissed Empire upon release because it “had already been done before”. It seems every new movie nowadays is met by more hate than praise. Will there ever be a point when these Disney-haters are truly happy?

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#1213931
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
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The Autistic Asexual said:

MalàStrana said:

darthrush said:

Unpopular opinion: Despite his unreasonable 0/10 ranking of Rogue One, I find Mala’s opinions to be interesting and fun to read.

I give it 2/10 now ! (don’t ask me why… maybe because I feel no SW should deserve 0… and I like the soundtrack, the visual, and even if it doesn’t make much sense at a story level, the Vader’s big scene is brillant).

Rogue One’s story doesn’t make much sense?!! WHAT THE FUCK! I’m gonna have to leave this forum because of the goddamn stupidity that you assholes spew from your shit-holes!!

While my ranking for RO is around 6/10, I agree that the plot doesn’t make much sense. I’ll explain my opinion so you can get an idea where the other side is coming from:

RO should have been an easy film to make. The very premise writes itself- the rebels need to steal the Death Star plans. Why they need to over complicate this is beyond me. The rebels are initially focused on the “pilot” but Bodhi doesn’t have the actual information only a hologram. So Jyn sees the hologram and we learn that he has implemented a weakness in the Death Star towards the end of the first act and the movie should be now over.

Are you seriously telling me Jyn and co sacrificed their lives not for the battle plans but so the rebels would ‘believe them’? The rebels could have their fleet that was deciminated at the end of the movie to the DS and while they would of lost (Luke wouldn’t be there) it would have made far more sense. And if the plans weren’t in the hologram, why? If Galen has access to them it would have been smart to share them with his allies rather than tell them without evidence.

Then they go to Eadu which could be interesting but with little character development falls on it’s face. It’s only at Scarif when things get good- they finnally get to stealing plans.

RO should have spent the entire film at Scariff. A long heist for the plans, the team (which could just be an established rebel special ops squad save Jyn) slowly picked off one by one. The real RO spends 2/3 its time stalling until the end.

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#1213239
Topic
SOLO: A Star Wars Story: Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS INSIDE **
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ImperialFighter said:

…the large monitor in the background of that busy area which is showing Imperial ‘recruitment’ footage of it’s fleet…is playing John William’s EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ‘Imperial March’ music to accompany it!

Interesting, I thought that was funny (humor is subjective). I imagine the imperial march is real song in SW lore and they couldn’t use the intimidating one for recruitment.

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#1213095
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Battle Droids are useless against Jedi, but the prequels keep acting like they pose a threat to Anakin and Obi-Wan. If they’re not going to be a threat, why not get a chuckle out of the audience?

https://vimeo.com/272683996
Password: Droids

Battle Droids dubbed with a scene from the TCW. It’s not perfect (a lightsaber goes on in the background and I was too lazy for now to add one in) but it gets the point across.

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#1213042
Topic
Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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Frank your Majesty said:

To work with other people for a higher goal, instead of hiding away all by herself. And that’s just the most superficial lesson and I haven’t seen the movie since it was in theaters. There is probably even more if you actually looked for it.

If that were the case, why does she effectively betray the rebellion? It would make more sense if the rebels were the ones who were going to sacrifice themselves regardless and it’s Jyn, not Ackbar ripoff, who comes last second and turns the tide.

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#1212964
Topic
Rogue One * <em>Spoilers</em> * Thread
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The Autistic Asexual said:

With all the talk about how there’s no character development in Rogue One I have to laugh and say that there wasn’t any character development in the original Star Wars movie. Yep, that’s right, there was a lot of critics back in 1977 that said that the characters in Star Wars were boring and bland and that the movie moves along too quickly that you can’t really get to know the characters at all. You see boys and girls you can’t put these movies on a Shakespearean pedestal.

Luke learns to let go of his fear and believe in himself (the force).

Han learns to not be a selfish prick.

Jyn learns…

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#1212954
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

So within the Star Wars “lore” does Solo happen just as usual except with young Harrison Ford’s face) or does Han gets plastic surgery somewhere between Solo and Ep IV

Bigger question is what happened to everyone’s faces during the clone wars.

That’s a representation due to animated constraints. I get why they needed a new actor for young Han, but it opens up some strange scenarios. Like there’re selling things with Alden-Han based around that time period. If a new book is set between Solo and ANH centered around Han, would it have Alden or Harrison?

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#1212627
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars Soundtracks
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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

Being able to hum a tune or not is a bad barometer for the quality of a score.

It shows how well I remember the score itself. There isn’t any original music I remember from TLJ.

That’s a you problem.

Yes, each persons ranking stems from their own opinion.

I use that ranking to see memorable the music is. If you’ve ever seen the video essay “marvel symphonic universe” they go around asking people if they can remember music from certain movies. It is a good way to see how impactful a score can be.