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#1293563
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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If you look into it the lore of TFA isn’t all that confusing, there’s the New Republic which is dealing with Imperial Renamnt terrorists, the First Order, who even have their own ripoffs of Palpatine and Vader (one might ponder if their appearance is intentionally similar, to get more people remembering the OT). Leia wants to fight the First Order while the New Republic would prefer to let them be.

The problem is all in the presentation. In the thrill of the action, you don’t think like above. But they could have easily fixed this. Go to the Republic’s capital and listen in on a Senate meeting (like TPM). And properly build up Starkiller (like they did in Ep4 and 6 with the title crawls) instead of just showing up halfway through the movie and taking all the spotlight.

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#1293278
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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I don’t think TFA borrows all that much from ANH.

ANH is about stopping the Death Star. TFA is NOT about stopping Starkiller. TFA is about finding Luke Skywalker. We know this thanks to each episode’s crawls.

It is Starkiller that messes everything up. It makes no sense within the story, and feels like it just happened out of some “obligation” to recapture the success of the OT.

Up until Maz’s castle is attacked the film’s focus is entirely on finding Luke Skywalker, which is a brilliant focus because it a) takes out Luke who would otherwise detract from the focus and b) plays right into our emotions because we also want to see Luke. But then the “Hosnian” system is destroyed and we are distracted to a subplot no one cares about.

Everything else is different from ANH. There are many visual callbacks, but the context is entirely different. Yes, there’s a droid with a macguffin, but instead of the Death Star plans they are the map to Skywalker. Yes, there’s a hero stuck on a desert planet, but Rey is a scavenger who wants to stay on Jakku rather than leave Tatooine. Yes, there’s a cantina, but it makes sense in the story that Han’s friends would be in a cantina.

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#1293097
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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I like that.


There’s an upcoming book, linked below, that will describe the Skywalker Saga from “Anakin, Luke, and Rey’s point of view.”

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_The_Skywalker_Saga

Could this book be used to create a narration for the films? For example, if we could get an “old Luke” voice actor, and have him speak lines from the book, we could create seamlessly blend the PT/OT with the ST as Luke explains to Rey the errors of the past, and why he thinks the Jedi must end.

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#1292774
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The Rise of Skywalker box office results: predictions and expectations
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From what I’ve seen, kids of this generation are preferring marvel movies over Star Wars movies. Not that they dislike Star Wars by any means. They like it, but not as much as Marvel, hence it doesn’t have the priority like it did in the 80’s and 2000’s. No one’s fault.

I think it’s that simple.

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#1292409
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Lucasfilm: Beyond Star Wars and Indiana Jones
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It’s kinda weird, because back when Lucasfilm was independent them making original films / new adaptations made more sense (following this vision of letting people make their movies). But now that it’s owned by Disney it doesn’t seem all that much a difference (Disney will still ensure the film follows their values, even if it’s Kennedy in charge instead of _____).

That being said, it’s always nice for Hollywood to focus on more original stories. So I’m positive.

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#1291401
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Combining the trilogies edit?
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I made “Vader” - a 7 in 1 edit, when I started here. it’s definitely not my best work, but if you are looking for a 3.5 hr movie that condenses the PT / RO / OT into a cohesive film (with a Vader POV; I cut out most of the rebellion’s scenes from the OT) then feel free to PM. My full outline can be found on its page.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Vader-a-7-in-1-edit-of-the-Star-Wars-Saga/id/59135

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#1291171
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Yeah. Reminds me a bit of the end of the Hunger Games, which had a good message on how governments repeatedly don’t work.

I feel like the ST could have explored the difficulties in reestablishing a government. The First Order could be a terrorist group seeking to undermine them. Maybe instead of “Starkiller Base” they spark a conspiracy and turn the galaxy against the New Republic to supporting the Empire once again. Then we would have had some powerful new themes that naturally build upon what we have learned from the OT.

Instead, I can only hope Episode 9 ends things in a way that we can definitively know this will not keep repeating itself.

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#1291033
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I think the biggest concern for me is if Snoke just happened to pop up in between 6 and 7, what is stopping someone just like Snoke from popping up after 9’s “happy ending” and restarting this thing again and again?

If they had explained Snoke was tied to Palpatine, either a former apprentice or Palpatine himself, that would mean once Palpatine dies in 9 we can safely say the Sith are finished. That is why I hope we get an explanation for Snoke.

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#1290867
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I hope for them to reveal Snoke is Palpatine. Before we knew about the Emperor’s return I would have called this idea preposterous, but now that we know Palpatine is returning it is going to feel very weird to seemingly forget about Snoke. I thought his death was a signal for Kylo to take the reigns of the big bad.

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#1288886
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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What’s really interesting is with Gareth Edwards and Lord/Miller, Disney really went down their throats. They had numerous reshoots because they were disappointed with the director’s vision.

With J.J. it was less obvious, but they surrounded him with so much “protection”- teaming him up with Kasdan, and constantly mentioning how they were trying to return to the OT as a subtle jab at the PT’s wackiness.

But here comes Rian Johnson, and Disney absolutely loves him. All through the documentaries for TLJ Kennedy goes on and on about Rian is perfect for the job and his vision is perfect for Star Wars. It’s bittersweet knowing what’s going to happen. One thing we can all agree on is TLJ was the most divise of the Disney SW movies- so it is surprising for the one where they have Rian the most creative freedom to be the one it turns out was most deserving of reshoots (to play it safe).

I know we’ve heard they planned the trilogy out, but TFA and TLJ really don’t play well with each other. TLJ feels like it is making a statement, for better or worse, that the derivative elements of TFA need to go. Maybe on paper that sounded good but in practice it really feels like Rian is changing all of J.J.’s plan. Hence why 9 seems more like a one-off movie (bringing back Palpatine) rather than a conclusion to a trilogy.

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#1287530
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Help Me Understand Empire Strikes Back?
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If you were told it was the best Star Wars movie you may have built up an unreasonable expectation. To be fair, Empire is a bit annoying in its ending- although Han’s disappearance is great for the trilogy, as an individual film it isn’t a strong conclusion. I could see how one could be disappointed.

The same thing happened to me with Pulp Fiction, after being introduced to Tarantino with Reservior Dogs (which I like very much) I was surprised to find I didn’t like Pulp Fiction, the legendary movie everyone was hyping me up for.