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#1270561
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know if I should put my trust in JJ, but especially after the ANH similarities being a major criticism of TFA, I like to think that JJ wants to have another go at the franchise in order to do something more original.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about why reused a lot of imagery from the OT and the purpose it served, it will be nice to get more new ideas into the franchise. I"m fairly optimistic about that regarding the future of the movies and shows.
If I just had to guess, I have a feeling that The Mandalorian will be the first big thing that will start bringing both sides of the divisive fan base back together.

I am scared that The Mandalorian could give Star Wars overload, even if it is a TV show.

Oh I don’t think so 😃

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#1270429
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

OutboundFlight said:

I think it’s strange they treated the anthologies as “safe films” while “experimenting” with the saga films.

Personally, I don’t think they were envisioned that way, and I think ultimately the reasoning is probably that saga films are sure bets, while spin-offs are somewhat risky propositions to begin with, so they have to be careful not to limit too much the appeal of the latter.

Lucasfilm limited Gareth Edwards because they didn’t like his direction. And yet most fans applaud RO’s darker side and wanted more.

We don’t have the full picture, but I haven’t read anything that would suggest that “limiting Edwards because they didn’t like his direction” is true. That’s merely fan speculation.

Lucasfilm fires Lord and Miller for being too wacky. While I see their reasoning, after watching Spiderverse and LEGO Movie 2 I firmly believe these two are geniuses. Everything they touch sounds horrible and ends up perfect. What we got instead was a mediocre very safe movie- which is a shame.

Again, no full picture. While that reason is probably true, we need to remember that A) Lord/Miller did not direct either Spider-Verse or Lego Movie 2, and B) that a lot about what we got in Solo would have been the same even if they had indeed brought it to the finish line.

Both Rogue One and Solo have had extensive reshoots. The Last Jedi… all Kennedy kept saying was how much she likes working with Rian, how good his script and story is, how they are going to give him an entire trilogy before the movie has even been received.

To say they were confident is an understatement… there is a clear difference between the productions of these movies.

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#1270426
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I think it’s strange they treated the anthologies as “safe films” while “experimenting” with the saga films.

Lucasfilm limited Gareth Edwards because they didn’t like his direction. And yet most fans applaud RO’s darker side and wanted more.

Lucasfilm fires Lord and Miller for being too wacky. While I see their reasoning, after watching Spiderverse and LEGO Movie 2 I firmly believe these two are geniuses. Everything they touch sounds horrible and ends up perfect. What we got instead was a mediocre very safe movie- which is a shame.

But with TLJ, Kathleen uncharacteristically have Rian full control. I’m not going to debate whether that was a good or bad idea… but of the Disney movies I think TLJ is the most a director’s vision.

And naturally, a single vision is divisive… whereas studio input is not. I think they should have experimented more with the spinoffs instead of saga. To me it’s the equivalent of playing Guardians of the Galaxy safe but Avengers all “out there”.

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#1270050
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Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers **
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Indeed, the marketing for Solo really fell flat. There are times I wonder if Disney was intentionally writing it off, expecting it to do decent at the box office simply because of the Star Wars brand, but really invested in Avengers or Mary Poppins.

I don’t think negative reception to TLJ had anything to do with Solo’s failure. I think the real problem was like you said, why should audiences watch Solo? The average person’s reaction was likely:

  1. Another Star Wars movie? I mean they’re fun, but wasn’t the last one like 5 months ago?

  2. Wait that’s not Harrison Ford! What’s with this?

  3. This looks generic, nothing special.

  4. No lightsabers this time, huh.

  5. Eh, it looks fine but I don’t feel like watching another movie. Just saw Avengers and Deadpool.

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#1269786
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SOLO: A Star Wars Story: Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS &amp; MAGIC INSIDE **
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I liked that scene a lot, but see where you are getting at.

If you ask me the real story starts too late. They have imo two options:

• Cut out the war scenes. Instead, Han escapes the Crime Syndicate at the starport but doesn’t enlist to the Army. How he meets Beckett and Chewie remains a mystery- it is assumed he joins their crew for a job. Simple, right to the point.

• Cut out the entire Corellia sequence, starting the film with an alternate opening reading: THE EMPIRE IS AT WAR, or something. Han starts a solider, and meets Beckett and Chewie. Qira’s relationship is explained through Han’s conversations with the other characters. Simple, right to the point.

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#1269592
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I have a question concerning those who enjoyed TLJ. I’d honestly like to hear your POV and don’t want to start a debate.

One thing that has bothered me is how TLJ handles sacrifices. Early on Paige sacrifices herself, and it is seen as a heroic act. Later Holdo sacrifices herself and it is seen as an epic inspiring event.

But near the end, Finn attempts to sacrifice himself but is stopped. It’s here where Rose says it’s not about destroying what we hate, but saving what we love. As she says this, the door explodes in the background making it feels like a HISHE for me.

My point of confusion is, how is Holdo’s sacrifice any different to Finn’s? I can see how Luke’s standoff fits into the theme, but am confused regarding Holdo. Both characters- Finn and Holdo- had to destroy an enemy weapon to save what they loved.

I wonder if I am missing something. Does anyone have any opinions on the topic of sacrifice in TLJ?

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#1269424
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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RogueLeader said:

Did you have any thoughts about showing/not showing Han and Leia “dying”?

I think flashes of Han getting stabbed immediately followed by the Raddus bridge explosion would be effective where Luke says “destroy everything I love”. It would add some emotional reasoning in favor of Luke’s momentary awakening. Just as long we have already seen these sequences, and are not spoiled.

Here’s a random idea I just had: it’s a bit strange for Ben to just happen to make up at the perfect time. What if instead, a mysterious dark voice said “awaken” or something of sorts? It could be inferred as Snoke (already in his mind) tricking the young Jedi. Might make it more tragic and less coincidence.

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#1269084
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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I really like Kylo’s confrontation with Han, although I was spoiled of his death before seeing the movie so it never came much of shock in the moment.

What you said above reminds me of Leia in TLJ. One of my favorite scenes in that movie is when Ben can’t shoot his mother— but his prior actions have spiraled the situation out of control so that he has no choice left.

Speaking of which- any possibilities to keep Leia dead after this tragic perfect scene? She likely won’t be in much of 9.

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#1269083
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Childhood Misconceptions (aka The Trap Thread, but misconceptions still welcome)
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dahmage said:

OutboundFlight said:

I thought Darth Vader was the guy who choked the Pig Guards in Jabba’s Place, not Luke.

#ROTJPigmenNeverForget

Did you just assume Vader was hiding somewhere in Jabba’s palace while like and co did their thing? I am curious.

Honestly, I’m not sure. I think as a little kid I just never connected the dots of what happened to Vader… or I just changed the plot to accommodate a scene of Vader showing up, speaking to Jabba, and leaving.

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#1268437
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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NeverarGreat said:

The idea of redubbing Phasma is nice, but isn’t the bigger issue the fact that the FO captain continues to be dispatched with relative ease? The new character might even exacerbate the issue, since it shows that Phasma probably didn’t escape Starkiller, further diminishing her power.

I don’t think it’s necessary an issue, because I think Finn and Phasma have a complete arc in TFA. Perfect? No, it could use more in the beginning. But I never got the impression Finn vs Phasma was an ongoing fight. For Finn, the fight was more about the First Order in general, and his “moment to stand against the First Order” was against Kylo for Rey.

So come TLJ, I don’t think Finn vs Phasma needs to happen. A shame we lose an interesting character design, but keeping her around as a major player is uneeded.

So this Captain does very little besides have a few likes. I would cut out the battle with Finn, it has poor continuity and ends with a questionable BB8 rescue. Everyone else supposedly dies or is blocked off. It will go like: execution scene + hyperspace ram + a bunch of other scenes + Finn and Rose crashland on Crait.

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#1268426
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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A New Captain
It has always bothered me that Captain Phasma appears in the The Last Jedi with no explanation. While Kylo and Hux are both shown to be on the move to escape Starkiller, Phasma just… escapes from the trash compactor? I’d be fine if they had at the very least mentioned “I see you got out of the dumpster” or something, but nope.

So, I decided to take things into my own hands. Introducing a new First Order Captain, sharing Phasma’s armor but bearing a purple stripe to distinguish.

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He speaks with a male German accent to hammer home he is not Phasma. His first line is also different but besides that shares Phasma’s lines and characterization. I did a test with a text to speech, and I think it comes out quite well! Here is the video (apologies for the poor quality, and seeming jutter from cutting all shots not directly related to Phasma):

https://vimeo.com/316034386

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#1268294
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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If the attack on Coruscant Hosnian Prime is too challenging, perhaps a more feasible solution involve no move against the Republic City at all. Instead, the First Order fleet could attack D`Qar?

There is already footage from TLJ. You could explain away any “charging” mentions as the Dreadnought.

Poe and Black Squadron wouldn’t go to Starkiller, although they would be prepping for an attack when the enemy fleet arrives. Instead the opening for TLJ will play alongside the conclusion to TFA. Han’s detonate charges cause the area around the base to explode, which is why Rey and Kylo are separated. It doesn’t destroy the entire planet.

After the destruction of the Dreadnought the First Order retreats. Then the Falcon returns to D’Qar and everybody celebrates for a short while.

This also permits TLJ to start at an unspecified time, as our first scene with the Resistance would instead be them in hyperspace. Poe wouldn’t be demoted although he can still have his character arc- the moment the Supremacy shows up he says he wants to jump in a cockpit and blow something up.

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#1268169
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The Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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A planetary shield makes sense.

I’d much rather have Starkiller just be a random first order planet. In TLJ they hardly mention the largest super weapon in the galaxy’s destruction. You’d think Snoke would be angrier about the loss of that compared to some dreadnought.

So yes… if you were able to make this RogueLeader you’d have my perfect TFA edit 😃

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#1268146
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Maul: Son of Dathomir (Released!)
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Legacyofajedi said:

When are tou re;easing son of dathomir ?

It is done! PSA to everyone interested, all you need to do is PM. 😃

DigMod said:

OutboundFlight said:
Yeah, I though so too at first. But when I try and remove the background using after effects it didn’t work. Has anyone made a crawl for an edit before?

Jackpumpkinhead and myself have both made custom crawl creators. Feel free to use either. My tool is at my website and a quick look through the forum will get you Jack’s.

Thanks for letting me know! I plan to release a second version of this edit was Season 7 drops, which will fix the story’s conclusion. I will have another go with the crawl then!

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#1267877
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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I agree it is great we all have different opinions but get along.

For me I personally didn’t enjoy TLJ, mainly because I feel Rian Johnson set out to make a good movie / good Star Wars movie instead of a good middle chapter to the ST. It is a very careful balancing act, and I don’t think of him lowly because of it.

Simply put, the subversion of expectations work (for the most part) within the film. The problem is when you rewatch TFA and become let down by everything they very clearly were setting up. The problem is when you realize it has set up Episode 9 to just be a retred or something we have all already seen.

I am looking forward to Johnson’s trilogy because I think it’ll be a chance for him to tell his vision without being constrained or constraining another director.

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#1267762
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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

nl0428 said:

OutboundFlight said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

SilverWook said:

I don’t think Rey ever had time or a safe place to explore dating on Jakku, (there’s no evidence she ever even had a casual friend) so her discomfort with seeing Ben shirtless made sense to me. The movies would likely never broach the subject, but her fighting skills are as much about keeping lecherous scavengers at bay as it is daily survival on a hostile planet.

So do you guys think she ever had an…unfortunate encounter?

I prefer to think that doesn’t exist in Star Wars.
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Concerning Rey in Episode 9. If I had creative input, here’s my pitch. TLJ clearly establishes a connection between Kylo and Rey. Episode 9 should use the time skip to its advantage and go full on Reylo. Rey thinks if she can get to him, he can still turn. Kylo thinks if he can get to her, she can still turn.

A Jedi and Sith relationship is a new angle to look at the force, but it goes beyond just that. Rey’s greatest weakness so far is her longing for family, and it makes sense for her to cling to someone. But Kylo Ren is a BAD person, and no matter what she thinks he isn’t going to turn it around.

This is a common trend in abusive relationships, which yes can be physical but are also emotional. Having Rey confront this weakness would be far better in my opinion than any super weapon the First Order throws.

By the end Rey has to give up Kylo and as such a chance at a family. But she can also learn to appreciate friendships like Finn (who will be with Rose). This is a lesson I think many can learn from, that relationships come and go but true friends can last forever, and to not continue to be ruled by darkness.

Granted I also want the theme of good and evil and the force explored, but I think this would be an interesting subplot to explore Rey’s part in the finale.

Ben Solo is a very conflicted person, and it’s incredibly sad to see what happened to him when he was younger. He even struggled to kill his father, and his mother. Even when he killed Han, he felt weakened by his act and almost regrets the decision he made. That’s one of the reasons why Snoke is furious with him at the beginning of The Last Jedi. I do believe that he will be redeemed and end up in a relationship with Rey in the end. Having Rey close the door on him is her way of telling him that he needs to discover where he truly belongs. He wants Rey to join him because he cannot trust his family, the Resistance, or the First Order anymore, but he also care tremendously about her. But since Rey has also become a voice for him, it will help him understand himself and why the decisions he’s made have led to this. That’s why he also looks down in defeat and upset when Rey leaves him at the end of The Last Jedi. It’s the beginning for him to understand himself, something that will carry over to Episode IX

I agree redemption is certainly likely for him, but in my opinion it would be a cop out. Darth Vader shows far less emotion than Ben, and he was redeemed. The saga has established at this point anyone can be redeemed.

So if Space Hitler can be redeemed, is it any surprise Space Nixon can be redeemed? It would be a retred of the OT’s themes. This is why I think Ben shouldn’t be turned.

It wouldn’t be a cop out, and not to mention, the themes of the original trilogy will always be present in the saga. It was present in the prequels, it is in the sequels, and it will continue to be thriving within the saga. They are what make Star Wars, Star Wars. Star Wars has not been intended to present messages of revenge, hatred, lust and murder, it has always been about forgiveness and how good people can follow down a dark path, and about their internal conflict between good and evil.

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate …leads to suffering.

  • Yoda, The Phantom Menace

The Prequel Trilogy has an interesting premise: a good man turns evil. It shows us many of the same OT themes but inverts them into a “don’t do this” instead of “do this”. The execution is terribly done, but the premise is there.

If Kylo turns back to the light, the ST will be a thematic redo of the OT. It will have nothing new to say. We do not need to see the same story repeat.

I can’t speak for others, but for myself a big part of the ST hype was seeing where the saga would go beyond RotJ. I don’t mean the original trio- I knew all along they would be replaced- but the galaxy and the themes it would present. Episode 9 is the make or break point for me, where the ST will choose to be a worthy part of the saga or a flashier OT.

Unlike Vader, Ben won’t die. It would be a waste if he did get redeemed and die in Episode IX. Anakin, on the other hand, had a full complete life. His story was finished in Return of the Jedi. If Lucasfilm wants to make Episodes X, XI and XII sometime in the future, they should have it be built and focused on Rey, Ben and their kids.

I don’t think this would make much of a difference, unless a significant part of Episode 9 is dedicated to Ben’s trial by the Republic on accounts of war crimes: showing your actions have consequences but you can still turn it around.