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#606840
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Info Wanted: for a manual IVTC?
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You_Too said:

Sorry if I get this wrong but doesn't all films on VHS, laserdisc or just any format have a cadence like 3:2? Or is it only on DVDs?

Because I know I've seen some IVTC plugins for avisynth which only needs to be set to 3:2 or something and it will remove all unnecessary frames.

As AntcuFaalb said, the pattern sometimes changes...especially on analog sources.  In my limited experience, some of the AviSynth plugins will occasionally get confused on the first frame or two of a pattern change and dish-out a few blended frames.

Also, because of the additionally video noise on analog sources (VHS, LD, etc.), some plugins can fail to lock onto the 3:2 pattern because they read that noise as movement.

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#602968
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How to capture PAL video with VirtualDub as interlaced...
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To my knowledge, VirtualDub does not automatically use a built-in deinterlacer.

The proper framerate of PAL is 25fps (50 fields) whether it is interlaced or progressive.  Since the source is PAL-Film (which is simply sped-up from 24fps to 25fps) there shouldn't be any combing artifacts to begin with.  PAL-Film is progressive by nature.

The only time you should need to deinterlace PAL is if the source is PAL-Video (like a TV show) or if it is a botched film-to-PAL conversion by the studio.

In short, it sounds like what you are seeing and capturing is exactly as it should be.  No deinterlacing needed.

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#602882
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Info & Service: Audio and/or video captures offered... anyone interested?!?
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PM sent.  I'm very interest in a transfer of the "Coffret Trilogie [168035]".  I've been hoping to work with a THX PAL source for some time.

The french subtitles are out of the actual picture on that set, correct?

EDIT: Oops, seems I didn't do enough of my homework.  Didn't realize the "Coffret" was not THX.  Seems I'd be better with the 3 German THX LDs.  2nd PM sent.

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#597160
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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)
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Sorry for the lack of updates.  I've been really busy.  And, I've also been trying some different things, going back and forth with different ideas, etc.

Unless I get a hiccup in the process . . . I've decided to use the chroma channels from the Faces LDs with the luma from my resized Hyperspace masters.  My hope is it will make for a more balanced image when alternate sources are used (such as with the Emperor hologram).  This should also solve the chroma shift in Empire without shifting the color channels themselves.

But, I wanted to make this brief post to let everyone know this has not become "vaporware" ;)

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#585330
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Brooks's Adventures in VHS preservation (Released)
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Brooks said:

 here's about 100 frames uncompressed from vdub after running the separate fields script if any of you has the free time and inclination to look at it and see if you can help me figure out what frames need to go (57mb)

http://www.mediafire.com/?6i85yub38uzyram

This is a complicated hobby! :)

You shouldn't need to render it to figure out the frames.  Just count by areas of 10s, which is why the later part of the sample script I posted said "Selectevery (10,.....)".  You are literally selecting the the individual frames (which are separated) out of every group of 10.

I had to teach myself how to do this a few years back.  For some reason, I never could find a guide online...and I guess I figured it out by luck.  It is a lot easier than it sounds.  Let me see if I can walk you through it a bit simpler:

1) Start with a basic field-separation script and open it in VirtualDub:

avisource ("yourfile.avi")
separatefields


2) Pick an early set of frames (in the actual movie) which have some movement you can see.  Let's take the "20th Century Fox" logo.  The spotlights move back and forth.  Now, move to a frame in that which ends in "0" (i.e. 270).  The frame numbers are displayed on VirtualDub.

3) Now, slowly go frame-by-frame for 10 frames (i.e. 270 to 280).  You should see a pattern.  2 frames will match, then 3 frames will match, then 2 frames will match, then 3 frames will match.  Your goal is to change that pattern from 2,3,2,3 to all pairs.

4) Grab a pen and write down the pattern based on the last number of the frame (i.e. 0&1, 2&3&4, 5&6, 7&8&9).  You may want to double-check that pattern by slowly moving through the next ten frames.

5) Next, it's time to modify your script to reflect this pattern and actually IVTC the movie.  For the sake of this example, we will use the sample pattern I listed in step 4.  We will throw out the 3rd frame of each group of three in this pattern (i.e. frames 4 and 9).

Update your script by adding the "SelectEvery" and "Weave" functions.  Your pattern will go in the "SelectEvery" function follwing the number "10".  That "10" specifies the number of frames being considered.

avisource ("yourfile.avi")
separatefields
selectevery (10,0,1,2,3,5,6,7,8)
weave

6) Once your script has been modified and saved with the new pattern, reopen the script in VirtualDub.  The fields should be weaved back together into progressive frames.  Now, scan through the film to look for combing.  Because of dropped frames and reel changes, the TC pattern will likely change every so often.  When combing appears, you know the pattern has changed.

7) Create an "mark-out" point where the combing begins and render your video up until that point.  Then, repeat the above steps starting where the new combing began.

8) If you're lucky, there will be no combing and you'll have a single file.  Or, you may wind-up with several videos that you'll need to splice together.

I hope this makes some sort of sense.  Best of luck.

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#585290
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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I just want to take a moment to say "thank you" for working on this incredible project.  After years of trying to squeeze a little more out of the same less-than-stellar sources...and resisting the urge to punch babies over the many unresolvable flaws in GOUT...the thought of watching (and working with) a "trilogy" source of this potential still feels unbelievable.  Never before have I been this excited about a fan effort :)

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#585230
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Brooks's Adventures in VHS preservation (Released)
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I'm not sure what codecs you need, but it does sound like FFDSHOW.

Brooks said:

This is feeling really complicated to me, is there no commercial program that can do this more simply?  Is the ivtc really a dramatic improvement?  :(

It restores the the video to it's original, progressive film format (from 29.97fps to 23.976fps).  Depending on your final output, it can be a very big improvement...especially if you are resizing.  It's hard to imagine converting anything from 4x3 to 16x9 without IVTC.

I don't know of any commercial programs, but there are many AviSynth filters at the AviSynth website that can do it automatically.  Not sure which ones are best.  I just have a habit of doing it manually.

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#583683
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Brooks's Adventures in VHS preservation (Released)
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If you want to make these progressive without stuttering, you may want to consider doing a manual IVTC to remove the pulldown.  This can be done fairly easily with AVISynth and VirtualDub (both free software).  It's a little time consuming, but there's less chance of error.

Assuming you're starting with an AVI file, start by separating the fields in an AVISynth script.

Example:
avisource ("yourvideo.avi")
separatefields

Next, open the script in VirtualDub.  Find an early section with some obvious movement (like the flying "Star Wars" logo)...and then get ready to start counting.  The goal is, out of 10 frames (actually fields), to figure out the duplicate "junk" frames and eliminate them.  You want to change the pattern from "2,3,2,3" to "2,2,2,2".  I'd recommend starting with a frame ending in "0".

Once you have the pattern counted, use the "selectevery" function in AVISynth to specify the frames you're keeping and then "weave" them back together.

Example:
avisource ("yourvideo.avi")
separatefields
selectevery (10,0,1,3,4,5,6,8,9)
weave


Then, just scan through your video for any combing.  When it appears, the pattern has changed and you'll need to go back and figure out a new IVTC pattern for that next segment.

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#581369
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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)
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Believe me, it's far from torture.  Thanks for pointing it all out, msycamore.  Having all of this documented makes this project a lot easier.  The last thing I want is to get to what I think is the end...and find I've missed some major color problem.

Unfortunately, work is a bit slow-going at the moment.  My PC is back in action, but real life seems to be getting in the way.  I'll post a few video samples once I have a couple or more scenes corrected.

Thanks again for posting all of these screencaps :)

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#580744
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Info Wanted: Help, I'm new! :/ (looking for a good OOT preservation)
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Brooks said:

I would like to experiment myself, it kind of looks like fun. So are the 2006 dvd's the best source to work with? Are they better than the laser discs?

I hear ya, Brooks.  I've been the same way.  As much as I love and respect everyone else's projects, there's just something about the personal touch.

For my money, the '06 DVDs are the best to work with at the moment and are what I've used for the bulk of my custom sets.  While they're based on the same masters from the 93/95 LDs, there are some differences (i.e. missing scanlines on the Emperor hologram).  The NTSC versions are best for ANH and ESB.  The PAL version of ROTJ is superior, but only slightly.

Laserdiscs, in my opinion, have been more useful for their sound mixes than video (though they are the best source I'm aware of for the "Episode IV" crawl).

Unfortunately, every official source has something wrong with it (Lucasfilm did a real bang-up job over the years), so what starts as "fun" might end in "frustration".  Best of luck! :)

 

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#579013
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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)
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Well, what I thought would NEVER happen has happened.  My primary backup HD got wiped during an effort to install a dual OS to another HD.  Like a moron, I forgot to unplug it.

The good news is I didn't lose any of my main Anniversary working files, which were on my external backup HD.  But I did lose the TB 97 DVDs I was working with.  I'm in the process of snagging them off MySpleen at the moment...again.

I can't even begin to describe all of the other crap I lost.  Ugh, thinking about it makes me want to punch babies!

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#578550
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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)
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Thanks!  And, if you spot anymore color problems, please let me know.  I'd love to fix all of this stuff.

is the scripting complicated for this sort of thing?

Well...I can't seem to find a way to accomplish it just through scripting.  The first, biggest reason is the changes in the telecine.  The frames for GOUT are trimmed and warped differently than those from TB.  It's pretty easy to combine GOUT and Faces in a script, but I can't find a way to match these 2 sources up perfectly.

The second is the color itself.  My color correction abilities are novice to say the least.  So, getting an exact match where the colors could blend seamlessly is out of the question.

The way I've been having to do it is frame-by-frame in Photoshop.  It's time consuming, but is do-able since these are each relatively short sequences.

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#577195
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The Anniversary Collection: GOUT's Last Stand - NTSC DVD Set (Work-in-Progress)
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Still downloading Empire and Jedi, but I have finished downloading Star Wars and was able to get started by trying out the Threepio lights msycamore mentioned.  Only a few frames completed since I have to do it on a frame-by-frame basis.  Here's an early sample:



There's some color-bleeding with that bottom green light that I can't seem to eliminate.  The GOUT and TB pictures are warped slightly different and impossible to line-up perfectly without major work.  Still, I think it's an improvement.