Octorox

GLogus said:

Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.

I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.

GMatias said:

I believe he’s just commenting on the fact these movies, especially the OT, were geared towards entertaining & engaging children with straightforward and uncomplicated plot & thematic elements. They were built for kids specifically, but done with enough care & sophistication that adults can enjoy them too. Which isn’t necessarily the same thing as they’re built for everyone.

So the first poster saying or implying that these films are brought closer to their original intent or appeal by automatically reducing or jettisoning kid-friendly elements is setting themselves up for a sarcastic response.

Yeah, pretty much. I don’t mean to be snarky, and I understand that elements that pander to children without serving the story could easily be jettisoned (although I’d argue ROTJ doesn’t have a ton of those, compared to say TPM) but I’m sick of the idea that Star Wars movies need to be “serious movies for adults”. These were always movies meant to appeal to kids and families first and foremost.

Tantive3+1 said:

Besides Yub Nub, I believe most of the kid-friendly material should be removed or altered in some way.

While ESB:R and ANH:R SD & HD are mostly effects changes, this one should also be more of a fan edit.

God forbid Star Wars appeal to children.

I like most of these ideas, although your ideas for The Phantom Menace swing way too far back in the other direction for me. For ROTS, it’s worth pointing out that continuity with The Clone Wars pretty much requires the original “Plot to destroy the Jedi” scene at the war table. I got around this in my edit by including a heavily truncated version of the deleted scene that doesn’t repeat dialogue, and DominicCobb did something similar. I’d also want to see “I Am the Senate” make a return.

Artan42 said:
RotS comes before ESB so there is no spoiling going on.

You realize what website you’re on, right? No one on originaltrilogy.com is going to endorse the idea that the prequels come before the original trilogy in viewing order. Honestly they assume knowledge of the originals, hence why they don’t re-explain things like what the Force is, etc.

When Adywan was going to revisit the prequels, he was going to rework RotS in order to preserve the twist (which I’m not personally a fan of but it’s his preference), so I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Having him call Darth Vader “Anakin” at this point in the timeline would be a bad idea all around. I think it’s important that when he tells Luke that Darth Vader killed his father, he’s also lying to himself. In his mind, Vader is all hatred and has no Anakin left in him. If he still thinks of Vader as Anakin, it makes his lie to Luke seem more manipulative.

I’ve been thinking about this for my edit too. The best compromise I can think of is to reinstate the shot of Anakin igniting his saber on the younglings, as well as the other references, but remove the “Master Skywalker, what are we going to do?” line. It just feels like a little too much.

As for the youngling scene in Episode 2, I still don’t really think you need it.

I think the biggest problem with the “Rey sees Ochi’s ship for the first time” scene in the context of “Rey Nobody” is actually the score. John Williams scores the shot of Ochi’s ship with a sort of “dark mystery” cue that implies something more is going on. More straightforward action music during that moment would go a long way.

leftshoe18 said:
I felt like I was the only one on this site who actually was thoroughly enjoying this show. lol

Damn, am I going to have to watch another ROTS edit?

NeverarGreat said:

Just finished watching the first two episodes. My take: It’s fun. Leia is wonderful, and Obi-wan is great as always. Sure, I could complain about a few aspects of the Inquisitors such as their accessories, makeup, costuming, design, direction, choreography, backstory, acting, purpose, and existence, but they are meaningless noise obscuring the strong signal which is measured, thoughtful character interactions, and I’m here for it.

This is my take as well. Of course you can nitpick it to death but I think it nails the most important elements, and I’m excited to be along for the ride.

I made a 1080p upscale in Topaz from the PAL video source. It’s nothing fancy, and there are definitely some upscaling artifacts, but it’s available by PM if anyone wants to check it out.

I think just tightening that shot would help.

Hal, I noticed in your workprint that you didn’t cut Palpatine’s line “She’s not who you think she is” and Kylo’s response “Who is she?”. I think this exchange doesn’t really have much payoff in the Rey nobody version and I would cut the lines as in Spence’s edit.

I also really liked how DominicCobb’s workprint shows a quick flash of Rey on the Sith throne in the hangar scene after Kylo reveals her destiny. It gives the scene some extra punch which I think helps with the “reveal” being less significant. Would you consider adopting this in your Rey nobody version?

They’re more subtle than Anakin’s in ROTS but I think they look fine, personally. I agree that the ideal would be to give the other shots of Rey in the vision Sith eyes to match, as well as the vision of herself she sees later.

I like it! I still wish there was a way to get Luke’s “you went straight to the dark” voice line in there though.

adywan said:

darkzip said:

I’ve got the upscale done. Looks great to me. I’ll do another post once I have it somewhere accessible to others.

search for it on thepiratebay

Thanks for doing this darkzip. I just checked it out. Unfortunately you used the NTSC version of ANH:R but didn’t remove the 2:3 pulldown first to return it to its native 23.976fps and has resulted in a 29.97fps file with multiple duplicate frame throughout, resulting in jerky playback. You’re best bet would have been to use the PAl version for the upscale. It has a higher resolution than the NTSC and would result in an even better result. You can then just change the framerate from 25fps to 23.976fps without having to reencode and remux with the NTSC audio

I have the PAL video/NTSC audio remuxed already as well as Topaz. If darkzip isn’t able to do it, I’d be happy to do an upscale similar to what I did with Brave Little Toaster.

CourtlyHades296 said:

Adywan did a good job removing Yavin IV from the SE shot of the fighters approaching the Death Star. You should check it out, and possibly use it in the next version of ANH.

I think Hal’s said that continuity errors don’t bother him if they were in the film originally. Doesn’t the pre-SE shot have Yavin IV in it too or am I misremembering?

NeverarGreat said:

That’s a fair assessment, Octorox. Perhaps something like this:

“General, the Senate has voted to send reinforcements. Will they reach us in time?”
“They haven’t got a chance.”

This way it’s up to the viewer to determine how many ships will be sent (though I like the idea that the ships at the beginning of TLJ are the ones that made it).

In any case, here’s the updated scene with Eddie’s excellent line reading and Threepio’s new line, as well as some more audio work. I think it’s starting to look like a real scene!

This works quite well for what you’re trying to do! Obviously Leia’s line needs some work, but I think this could slot in nicely.

Personally I prefer the idea that they’re only sending a couple ships, if doing anything at all. I should write something more in-depth on this, but the way I see it, one of the primary themes in the sequel duology (I mostly disregard TROS when possible) is the cyclical nature of things: interpersonal, societal and mythic. The Force Awakens is about cycles repeating and The Last Jedi is about finally breaking those cycles. I think for that to land, it’s important that the New Republic becomes complacent and mired by beauracracy the same way the old one did. As old GL one said “It’s like poetry. They rhyme.”

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s how it looks.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tp_qxpg2zyKNFoF2bwbIH4AZzccM9TmI/view?usp=drivesdk

It was skenera that done that, two years ago today.

Okay, that doesn’t look so bad. I say go for it.

Eh, I don’t like it, but I can live with it. Dooku had Force lightning too, and it was blue, so I don’t think there’s an inherent connection to Palpatine.

Yellow lightning just looks cartoony to me, but maybe it would look okay if it was mostly white with a very slight yellow tinge. I’m also worried about it standing out visually against the desert of Pasaana.

DominicCobb said:

I once suggested Palpatine say “You have no one here,” and some skilled editor (forget who, sorry!) put together that line pretty seamlessly. Personally I found it difficult to implement into the scene once you cut out the other lines for Rey Nobody, but if someone wants to take look at how that conversation could go, would love to see it.

It was me that stitched that line together. I honestly was never happy with how it sounded myself though.

There’s one cut in Spence’s version that’s entirely independent of Rey nobody but I’d suggest for Ascendant regardless. That’s the removal of Luke’s line “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.” I know it can be interpreted differently, but it still strikes me as a direct “meta” jab at The Last Jedi and how the lightsaber moment was received by the fandom. Since Ascendant has removed everything else along these lines (The Holdo Maneuver line, etc.) I think it would make sense to cut this one too.

To anyone interested, please PM for me for a link. Unfortunately I’m not able to check this thread regularly.