Octorox

NeverarGreat said:

That’s a fair assessment, Octorox. Perhaps something like this:

“General, the Senate has voted to send reinforcements. Will they reach us in time?”
“They haven’t got a chance.”

This way it’s up to the viewer to determine how many ships will be sent (though I like the idea that the ships at the beginning of TLJ are the ones that made it).

In any case, here’s the updated scene with Eddie’s excellent line reading and Threepio’s new line, as well as some more audio work. I think it’s starting to look like a real scene!

This works quite well for what you’re trying to do! Obviously Leia’s line needs some work, but I think this could slot in nicely.

Personally I prefer the idea that they’re only sending a couple ships, if doing anything at all. I should write something more in-depth on this, but the way I see it, one of the primary themes in the sequel duology (I mostly disregard TROS when possible) is the cyclical nature of things: interpersonal, societal and mythic. The Force Awakens is about cycles repeating and The Last Jedi is about finally breaking those cycles. I think for that to land, it’s important that the New Republic becomes complacent and mired by beauracracy the same way the old one did. As old GL one said “It’s like poetry. They rhyme.”

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s how it looks.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tp_qxpg2zyKNFoF2bwbIH4AZzccM9TmI/view?usp=drivesdk

It was skenera that done that, two years ago today.

Okay, that doesn’t look so bad. I say go for it.

Eh, I don’t like it, but I can live with it. Dooku had Force lightning too, and it was blue, so I don’t think there’s an inherent connection to Palpatine.

Yellow lightning just looks cartoony to me, but maybe it would look okay if it was mostly white with a very slight yellow tinge. I’m also worried about it standing out visually against the desert of Pasaana.

DominicCobb said:

I once suggested Palpatine say “You have no one here,” and some skilled editor (forget who, sorry!) put together that line pretty seamlessly. Personally I found it difficult to implement into the scene once you cut out the other lines for Rey Nobody, but if someone wants to take look at how that conversation could go, would love to see it.

It was me that stitched that line together. I honestly was never happy with how it sounded myself though.

There’s one cut in Spence’s version that’s entirely independent of Rey nobody but I’d suggest for Ascendant regardless. That’s the removal of Luke’s line “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.” I know it can be interpreted differently, but it still strikes me as a direct “meta” jab at The Last Jedi and how the lightsaber moment was received by the fandom. Since Ascendant has removed everything else along these lines (The Holdo Maneuver line, etc.) I think it would make sense to cut this one too.

To anyone interested, please PM for me for a link. Unfortunately I’m not able to check this thread regularly.

I haven’t had a chance to watch Spence’s edit properly yet but I did skim through it. The Rey nobody stuff works really well, with two minor exceptions:

-I still don’t think the “you’ll” in “you’ll have his power” sounds quite right. I think this could use a little bit more massaging.

-I don’t think the exchange where Rey tells Finn that she’s going to “find Palpatine and destroy him” works in this version. In the original, she was motivated by the fact that Palpatine killed her parents, as well as her blood connection to him, which she’s unwilling to accept. In this version, she’s basically told by Kylo that it’s her dark destiny to kill Palpatine and take his throne, so if anything I’d think she’d be trying to avoid doing that.

I think the line would make a lot more sense if she said she was going to destroy Kylo Ren. Then she gives into her anger and does almost kill him, which traumatizes her so much that she leaves for Luke’s island.

This edit has been revived and completed as Sonic the Hedgehog DX:
https://forums.fanedit.org/threads/sonic-the-hedgehog-dx.27080/

This is a relatively light edit of “Sonic the Hedgehog” that trims some of the humor that didn’t land for me and replaces some of the pop music with music from the video game series where appropriate. I hope fans of the movie and game series enjoy this. If I get enough positive feedback I may tackle the second movie.

Full changelog:
-Cut opening “I bet you’re wondering how I got here?” framing device.
-Rescored opening narration on Sonic’s home planet with Green Hill Zone orchestral theme from the Sonic 30th anniversary symphony.
-Trimmed Rihanna joke and Wade’s reaction.
-Trimmed Wade’s incompetent antics after the power goes out.
-Cut “Azerbaijanistan” joke.
-Slightly trimmed “search history” joke and the officer’s reaction.
-Cut Sonic talking about “lightning shooting out of his butt”
-Cut joke about Wade “not having much (mind) to lose”
-Cut Olive Garden joke during Tom and Maddie’s phone conversation.
-Cut Rachel’s “D-I-V-O-R-C-E” quip.
-Cut Tom saying “You can talk!” when he spots Sonic outside the cage.
-Trimmed out Robotnik’s “jug band” antics.
-Cut interaction between Robotnik and Wade.
-Cut Sonic’s misinterpretation of the expression “kick the bucket”
-Rescored the first “Quicksilver” scene in the biker bar with “Mirage Saloon Zone” from Sonic Mania
-Cut Sonic’s quip about the next person entering the bathroom having “nothing to wipe with”.
-Cut the first half of the motel room scene (including the fart joke), entering the scene when Sonic and Tom begin discussing the mushroom planet.
-Cut Sonic calling Tom “the jerk lord”.
-Trimmed the scene of Sonic flossing. He still does, but it’s less emphasized.
-Trimmed Sonic’s “Fast & Furious” joke.
-Cut dated joke about Hillary Clinton’s emails.
-Rescored Robotnik’s villain dance with E.G.G.M.A.N. from Sonic Adventure 2.
-Trimmed out Rachel saying she has to go to the bathroom.
-Cut Rachel trying to convince Maddie to leave Tom while tied up with jump-rope.
-Cut Tom telling the receptionist he came all the way from Montana because “that’s how serious it is.”
-Significantly trimmed sequence of Sonic in the gym bag while Tom and Maddie are waiting for the elevator.
-Cut Sonic’s quip about “a jar of pickled farts”.
-Cut Robotnik’s line about clam chowder.
-Rescored and retimed the second “Quicksilver” sequence to Stardust Speedway Zone from Sonic Mania.
-Rescored Sonic and Robotnik’s chase through San Francisco with “Escape from the City (Cash Cash Remix)” from Sonic Generations.
-Removed callback to the framing device, since it was removed.
-Cut Robotnik’s inappropriately timed joke about “keeping the body fresh”.
-Trimmed Olive Garden gift card joke. Now it plays more as a joke about the inadequacy of the gift rather than an advertisement for Olive Garden.
-Trimmed out Sonic flossing (again).

New Intro: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V-Z2cOfokb_Sdxc5Wom_cviuMjAUud4h/view?usp=sharing

City Escape: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V11g3jScluC3Ijh8x7gkE-6drIajRdzG/view?usp=sharing

So my understanding is that this edit removes all connection/backstory between Rey/Ochi/Palpatine? What does your version of the hangar scene looks like?

NeverarGreat said:

What if we had our cake and ate it too?

Show some lightning but not the full blast, allowing the ship to escape. A few thin tendrils escaping her fingers would highlight that the power is coming from a dark place while not being so destructive that it would frighten her out of using it.

I just think it’s a pretty effective scene as is (or at least it would be if it wasn’t undercut moments later). It jolts the viewer awake, or at least it did for me in the theater. Personally I have no problem with the idea that Rey has latent darkness within her that’s she’s actively trying to struggle against, yet she can’t help but be pulled down that path. I don’t necessarily see the benefits of having it be something that she’s choosing to tap into.

SpenceEdit said:

RogueLeader said:
Personally, I think I prefer Spence’s approach. I sat down and watched the first 30 minutes of ESB:R tonight, and I couldn’t help but compare the filmmaking language between that and TROS. I definitely am a proponent of the use of some visions when it comes to ST ideas, but I do think the less flashbacks/visions are used as a storytelling crutch, the better it would be for the movie.

Here is the most recent version of where I ended up with that scene, for context.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I4gQtIMFhUsZL7WxBO7_7xDSVvAZGP9L/view?usp=sharing

I think mercilessly chopping it down like this might actually be the best approach. The only thing I’d like to see changed is the line “who you are” replaced with “your power”. Maybe it’s my familiarity with the original movie but “Who you are” still implies some kind of identity reveal to me.

I’m resistant to the idea of removing the lightning personally.

If you don’t like Approaching Storm because it’s too liberal with its cuts, you definitely won’t like my edit. It’s basically Hal’s with additional edits layered on.

Honestly I don’t think the edit you’re looking for exists. I would suggest learning how to fan edit yourself and making it. I’m sure others who have similar tastes to you would appreciate it.

SpenceEdit said:

RogueLeader said:

Honestly at this point, all I need to see is a version of the force bond duel in Kylo’s quarters that feels seamlessly edited, and I’ll be convinced that a Rey Nobody edit (that removes any connection b/w Palpatine and her parents) can be done that doesn’t feel like a fan edit. There are some solid attempts already, but you can still see the seams here and there in the versions that I’ve seen.

Here’s what I came up with for that scene. Not a lot of meat on the bones, but it works as a little pop of action and showing Rey giving in to her anger a little bit.

Because I put Leia’s death where the “dark rey” vision originally occurred, I’ve tied her visions to the dagger. So she gets one when she picks it up in the desert, and then another one here. A few minutes later, I’m using a version of the “You will kill Palpatine and take the throne” edit that’s further up the thread. So we get a little reminder of that here too.

https://vimeo.com/685575722

Interesting idea to just cut it to the bone, but I think having it cut so short makes the fact that we exit the scene to check in with Finn and Poe, and then come right back, all the more jarring. I also think the sith voices need to be mixed differently. Right now they stand out to me in an odd way.

Master Lawdog said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

I just want to know who Matt Smith was playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIXUbjy5V18

I can’t believe you made me accidentally click on a Star Wars Theory video.

Haven’t checked out the clip yet but I think part of the reason for the Falcon shot is because a lot of people came out of the theater thinking that she was going to live on Tatooine. The shot of her standing in front of the suns is also reused from another part of the movie: https://twitter.com/im_organa/status/1211461346040172545?s=20&t=W-zNqxWK_FA03QtKZYYenQ

EDIT:
I think in the context of how you edited it, it does work better without the Falcon shot.

cranyx said:

Octorox said:

V2 is available and addresses much of the feedback I’ve gotten on this edit over the years. PM me for a link as always or find it in the usual places (old links should still work).

Full cutlist with new changes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dAvtrsxZT66tM_uZ5bRpxFb8Y4e8m5mY6iE7YXKCmE/edit?usp=sharing

Is there a list of just the differences between v1 and v2?

The cut-list calls out which changes are v2 specific.

I will watch this thread with great interest.

No seriously, this sounds really ambitious but really cool. You’ll have something special on your hands if you even manage to accomplish half of it!

Love it!

StarkillerAG said:

Darth Raditz said:

Chase Adams said:

Just checking, who here still hasn’t gotten a link after posting in this thread?

If you respond to this I’ll forward it on to everyone by this weekend. Hopefully that will ease things up for Nev by time he returns.

Do you have a link to the Visions edit, the one that ends with Rey dreaming of meeting Luke on Ach-To? If so, I’d like a link to that (I already have the standard version).

I don’t think that version was ever released. It was going to be an alternate version released later, but it ended up incomplete after Nev left the site.

Did Nev leave for good? I thought he was just taking a break.

Sirius said:

I posted this on other threads, so sorry if it sounds like spamming. This site creates AI generated voices, and one of them is from Adam Driver. Maybe it could help creating one or two voice lines for this version of the Rey Nobody edit:

https://fakeyou.com/?vocodes=1

Oh wow. Now the only thing missing is the mask effects. I wonder what this would sound like run through the filters that Poppasketti used for “you were right”?

Hal 9000 said:

I’m afraid that after even more work from myself and danieldubb, the “What if he doesn’t survive - he’s worth a fortune to me” line from Battlefront II just isn’t cutting it. It’s a better delivery, but can’t be made to mesh.

“As you wish” works beautifully, and will be used in any event. It is spoken in a different part of the movie so I don’t think it needs to sound identical. It nearly does anyway, though.

The only question now is whether to go with the 2004’s Morrison delivery of, “He’s no good to me dead.” Or to use a sentence mixed partially from Battlefront II of, “He’s not worth anything to me dead.” Here are both for your consideration. Let me know what you think.

2004 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UpeLp9JFp1HpJq8D6xOxwa_u3tolEC9f/view?usp=sharing

Revised proposed audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1djIPpppOFDIHiRVFOtwTYLeBinb10jX0/view?usp=sharing

Personally I thought the last “what if he doesn’t survive” test sounded good enough. It’s not perfect but it’s definitely a better delivery and if it were in the movie from the beginning I don’t think I would have had an issue with it. It’s definitely preferable to do the 2004 dub in any event. I also prefer the “he’s not worth anything to me dead” delivery.

RogueLeader said:
I was also going to mention that I think I’ve thought of a way to handle the Force bond duel scene in a way that Rey’s parents aren’t brought up at all. I was stuck for so long because I was attached to keep the pacing as close to the theatrical as possible, but looking back at how Dom did it in his work print, I think you could do the same thing, but replace the one or two lines (and one quick vision) of Rey’s parents with the ominous future Exegol battle.

I’d be interested in seeing this, but imo the reveal that Palpatine had Rey’s parents killed is kind of necessary for the plot to hang together. Anything that reduces the retcon of Rey’s parents being angels is worthwhile in my book though.

Not to mention that Obi-Wan has a track record as an unreliable narrator. I wouldn’t take anything he says at this point at face value.

Eh I’m against cutting “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid”. Optional audio-only changes are one thing but outright cutting out segments of the original Star Wars feels like sacrilege. Conservatism is one of the strengths of these “Custom Special Editions”, and at the point where we’re cutting lines to smooth over retcons, I’d rather be watching something based on Revisited with its myriad other changes.