Excellent clip. I like the new star fields. However, I still think Dagobah should be greener like in the Ep III deleted scene, because right now it looks indistinguishable from Hoth.
Hoth: from Ady's color-corrected SE
I don't think there should have been anything real between obi-wan and padme but perhaps the chancellor could have suggested obi-wan watch over Padme in EP III rather than Anakin, then he plays it off as if it was the council's wishes trying to distance him from her and obi-wan requested it. Then Palpatine starts to breed suspicion in Anakin by hinting at some sort of intimacy. Perhaps Anakin never knows Padme to be pregnant. He sees her and Obi-wan again for the first time since fairly early in the film and in a blind fury instantly assumes the baby (who he was never told about) is Obi-wan's. In a determination to get revenge he tosses padme aside almost killing her and calling her a "filthy whore" or (perhaps something lighter for the kiddies) and initiates the duel with Obi-wan. Yes it would be ripped off Othello but as a "tragedy" I think the prequels should have been very Shakespearean.
Knightmessenger said:I don't know, I think if somebody had never seen the ot before and started with the prequels, the turn in episode III might have been pretty shocking. Really, whichever way you watch first you will see stuff revealed that will give away what happens in the other 3.
If someone asked me which to watch first. I'd say oot, then prequels, then Special editions if he/she is still interested. That way you can see it both as audiences did and as the chronological saga.
I still think episode one looks the best on dvd. It was shot on film unlike II and III and the colors are not totally botched like IV-VI. And is presented in anamorphic widescreen without DVNR smearing. I now know what edge enhancement is, I've even seen screenshot examples from the dvd but I've never noticed it on normal tv playback.
(Laputa) Castle in the Sky region 1, now that is an example of bad edge enhancement. I think it looks worse than the oot dvd's. And by the way, Colonel Muska in the (1998 Disney) English dub is voiced by Mark Hamill.
The transfer of TPM is just bad. It is worse than any of the OT transfers (save the crappy color on the 04 discs). The other two PT transfers are phenomenal simply because there is no transfer at all. It was shot digital.
TheoOdo said:I actually like the idea of an Othello style situation going on between Palpatine and Anakin, with Palpatine encouraging the notion that Padmé (or whatever this alternate spouse would be called, the name Padmé doesn't sit well with me) may be involved with someone else.
seconded. Palpatine is so much like an Iago type character in the prequels anyway.
test clip!
http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/octolink_64/?action=view¤t=Padmetest.flv
I wanted to having Admiral Piett interrupt Lord Vader in the middle of the flashback instead of just Vader breathing but I couldn't find a good audio bite to use. This is more a technical demonstration than anything else.
Okay. My idea for an edit is pretty similar to Star Wars Renascent and other such projects but instead of telling the PT and OT stories side by side, It simply tells the story of the OT story with flashbacks to flesh out the story. The story focuses on Vader as the primary character instead of Luke and he and Obi-Wan initiate most of the flashbacks. This edit is designed to tell “The Story of Anakin Skywalker” like the real saga never could. Many new and confusing PT elements can be eliminated while still keeping the elements that flesh out and add depth to the OT. I will post a test clip of how I’ll do flashbacks in a few minutes. Uploading as we speak.
dumb_kid said:Octorox said:Not everyone wants to pay for usenet...
EDIT: Sorry, this was in response to vbangle
I demand that someone provide me a copy now.... but I want it delivered by hand, via double decker bus with a bunch of strippers (top tier strippers mind you)!
I wonder how long I will have to wait until someone fulfills my request... oh I guess I could pay 3 bucks to astraweb and get it tonight.
geez man...such biting sarcasm. I know I could just find another service an get another free trial but I hate giving out my credit card info to all these companies...
canofhumdingers said:Hmm... I guess officially I'd have to say during the Coruscant speeder chase sequence in AOTC. It was the first time in my life I was downright BORED while watching an action scene in a Star Wars movie. I remember watching it in disbelief, looking at my watch thinking "What's wrong here? This is Star Wars, I shouldn't be so bored!" Then the love scenes & asteroid chase sealed the verdict.
Though prior to that, repeat viewings of TPM had given rise to stronger & stronger worries that this was going to blow.
You must see Attack of the Phantom. Speeder scene way cut down. Love scenes made believable, No Asteroid Chase. It flows so much better.
Not everyone wants to pay for usenet...
EDIT: Sorry, this was in response to vbangle
You seriously lost all of your own edits? How did that happen?
bkev said:Just a thought, aren't there already official Pan-&-Scan releases you could use as a base? I don't know, but merely a thought.
I'm sure there are but I know acquiring them would require money on his part...
Star Wars:
Editing/Cinematography- 10/10
Excellent
Story/Writing- 7/10
A classic adventure tale, not much else to say. Some bad lines
Acting- 8/10
Believable. alec guinness was great. Others were decent.
Visual Effects/Art Design- 9/10
Imaginative "used future" look. Imaginative characters are made believable. Budget and time constraints are evident. Somewhat dated
Score- 10/10
Classic
Overall: 9/10
(A classic, groundbreaking film)
The Empire Strikes Back:
Editing/Cinematography- 9/10
Lots of classic moments. Moves a bit slowly compared to the first one.
Story/Writing- 9/10
A lot more going on. Much more depthful and resonant. Less cheesy
Acting- 8/10
Good job making FX characters like Yoda believable. No more Alec Guinness :(
Visual Effects/Art Design- 8/10
Continues great design started in ANH. Still Dated. Less imaginative by today's standards
Score- 10/10
Classic, although there are a few weirdly misplaced themes
Overall: 9/10
(A classic. Remembered for being better than it's predecessor)
Return of The Jedi:
Editing/Cinematography- 8/10
Lacks the deft editing of the previous two. Still great though
Story/Writing- 6/10
Entertaining at the beginning and end but ultimately a missed opportunity.
Acting- 7/10
Up to par with ANH mostly. Some scenes poorly acted. Ultimately a step down.
Visual Effects/Art Design- 9/10
The movie's saving grace. Especially on Tatooine it looks spectacular.
Score- 9/10
Still Great
Overall: 8/10
(A bit of a disappointment but by no means a bad movie. A nice ending if your watching the 6 as a saga)
The Phantom Menace:
Editing/Cinematography- 8/10
A Mixed Bag. Some Great moments. Drags on a little bit.
Story/Writing- 6/10
A bit cheesy and a bit of a missed opportunity but more entertaining than Jedi IMO.
Acting 5/10
A lot of Bad. Liam Neeson and Ewan MacGregor are good. I can't say that for anyone else.
Visual Effects/Art Design- 9/10
Most Impressive. A bit childish at times though.
Score 8/10
Still Great. could use a few more OT themes
Overall- 7/10
(An entertaining, fresh Star Wars but obviously more child oriented. Not sure whats up with the acting...)
Attack of The Clones:
Editing/Cinematography- 6/10
Nothing Special here. Movie drags along
Story/Writing- 4/10
Just badly done. Bad writing and not much of a story to speak of
Acting 4/10
Has gotten even worse. Ewan MacGregor and Christopher Lee are good but by no means save the rest of the cast. 4/10 only for some good moments.
Visual Effects/Art Design- 6/10
The Battle of Geonosis features some great looking but design but overall there is way to huge a reliance on digital effects. I'd take the bland look of Empire over the cartoon look of Clones any day.
Score- 6/10
Nothing noteworthy except across the stars theme. I'm going to guess that the editors had more to do with the problems with the score than Williams
Overall- 5/10
(Barely enjoyable. Doesn't even feel like Star Wars)
Revenge of the Sith:
Editing/Cinematography- 8/10
Pretty Good. Montage at end is very well done.
Story Writing- 5/10
There is more substance here than Clones but writing is still often cringeworthy
Acting- 6/10
A ramp up from Clones. Ewan MacGregor is good as always and Ian McDiarmid delivers and excellent if exaggerated performance that's funny and scary at the same time. Lots of cringeworthy stuff from other actors though and some bad moments.
Visual Effects/Art Design- 8/10
It still looks video gameish but there are so many breathtaking spectacles that you may be willing to forget that and just marvel at the scenery. It doesn't look like Star Wars but it's great for what it is.
Score- 7/10
A big step up from clones but there's lots of missed opportunities.
Overall- 7/10
(Has a lot of the same issues as clones but it's far more entertaining. Feels like a part of the sage)
The Clone Wars:
Editing Cinematography- 7/10
Well Done. The movie is no Wall-E however
Story/Writing- 7/10
Again Well Done. Obviously more child oriented
Voice Acting- 6/10
Decent. Isn't going to win any awards
Visual Effects/Art Design- 8/10
Very enjoyable. Works well. I really like the wood carved, hand painted look and the matte paintings. Has a classic Star Wars feel as well as a prequel grandness
Score- 5/10
Not comparable to a Williams score. They should have gone with stock Williams music. Takes away from Star Wars feel
Overall: 7/10
(It's ambitions aren't the same as the other movies but for what it is, it's good)
And that's my opinion
Vaderisnothayden said:Octorox said:Vaderisnothayden said:This sort of unlimited power turns up in a ridiculous sequence in the original Clone Wars animated series, in which Mace Windu wipes out a droid army single handedly.
It wasn't ridiculous. It was STYLIZED. That's why it's a cartoon and not an actual Star Wars movie. It's the same with the force unleashed game. It's not supposed to be canon, it's just supposed to look cool.
Style doesn't excuse stuff like that, unless you want to say the style is bloody idiotic. I don't care if it's stylized or a cartoon or non-canon or supposed to look cool, it's still damn ridiculous. And to be honest I'm quite sick of Star Wars things being designed to look cool. Supposed coolness has been shoved on us with a heavy hand since The Phantom Menace. I prefer the days when Star Wars didn't shout "Look, this is cool!" at you all the time. In particular, I'm utterly sick of the supposed coolness of the Jedi. Thank goodness for order 66.
Yes but the series has a very distinct visual flair that is apart from the movies. They have to be looked at as a separate entity, not taken at face value, this is Genndy's interpretation of the Clone Wars and is not necessarily of the same stuff as the movies.
Vaderisnothayden said:This sort of unlimited power turns up in a ridiculous sequence in the original Clone Wars animated series, in which Mace Windu wipes out a droid army single handedly.
It wasn't ridiculous. It was STYLIZED. That's why it's a cartoon and not an actual Star Wars movie. It's the same with the force unleashed game. It's not supposed to be canon, it's just supposed to look cool.
Vaderisnothayden said:Octorox said:Yeah but how could his hair get cooked and not his eyebrows? It makes absolutely no sense...
So what. The old movies shouldn't be altered to suit the inferior new ones. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. The old movies don't exist to serve the new ones. That scene worked the way it was. It was a cool scene in a great film and shouldn't have been changed to suit a crap scene in a worthless film made over twenty years later. If Lucas was worried about them fitting together he should have found a way to make the new film fit in with the old one, not make the old film fit in with the new one. The eyebrows are crucial for the emotional effect of that scene and the emotional effect of the scene is crucial for the whole trilogy. As is Shaw's final appearance as a force ghost. With those two alterations Lucas stabbed his saga in the heart and insulted an actor who turned in fine work.
Yeah, I agree they shouldn't really be altered in the first place but they should have done something with Shaw's eyebrows in 1983. Its established in the old trilogy that Vader's hair got cooked somehow (evidenced by his deformed, hairless head), why should his eyebrows remain?
Yeah but how could his hair get cooked and not his eyebrows? It makes absolutely no sense...
TheoOdo said:sgdelta1771 said:
I really like this. The difference in color always bothered me, so this just looks so much better to me.
ditto
C3PX said:The stupid thing was that they pretend it was a real hologram. "We have Jessica live via hologram" "You're a hologram now" "How do you feel being the first one beamed in" (oh yeah, good Star Wars terminology right there) "I'm following the tradition of princess Leia!" They made a big deal about it, which just highlights how lame it was that it was fake. If they had simply just done it without saying anything and not calling it a hologram, it would not have been as insulting to our intelligence.
They did lie outright although it is a bit different than simple bluescreening because it is a live conversation and the did have like 30 cameras pointed at her. I believe its called a "tomogram" when a 3d image is composited in a scene live. They could change camera angles and whatnot and she would still be in the right place.
negative1 said:starwarsfan8376 said:Octorox said:hopefully when the final script rolls around someone will upload a DVD9 over the web. I REALLY am not encoding this again.
I'd be on board for that. I don't know the first thing about any of these scripting things and have far too much on my plate right now to be bothered to learn.
i wish people would actually just try them out,
that way you could help out, make suggestions,
or just have fun with it,
and see how things work.. granted it's not the easiest
thing in the world..
but i knew very little about avisynth before i joined this board, and thanks to the
awesome help here, i am now getting a lot more comfortable after just a few months..
don't be scared, people WILL help you out, all you have to do is ask..
just asking for a finished product of someone elses hard work is not exactly
encouraging to the people working on it..
later
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I DID try it out and I waited days for a screwed up video. I'm running a Mac with Boot Camp and I can't run my primary OS (Mac OS X) without stopping the encoding. I'm forfeiting my ability to restart or switch OSes for several days just so I can get a messed up result? No way am I doing this again...
negative1 said:Oldschooljedi said:I'm not sure, but as I can remember someone here had ffdshow installed and the same problem. Do you have installed this on your pc?
yeah, i'm having the same issues also....
and yes, i have ffdshow installed..
later
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hopefully when the final script rolls around someone will upload a DVD9 over the web. I REALLY am not encoding this again.
No, I mean the whole thing is horribly interlaced, worse than the original GOUT
and the colors tend to swelter between red and green for some reason.
Okay, so It came out and looks great except from some REALLY BAD interlacing problems. Is this normal? I followed the instructions excatly including making sure all the settings in the encoder for porgressive were on.
Oldschooljedi said:I'm afraid, I have no idea at the moment.
When I calculated it for my DVD I got average (kb/s) "8680" and maximum (kb/s) "9224".
But I wanted the DVD with all the features that the original GOUT have (incl. Lego trailer etc.).
If you want to make a DVD without extras let the encoding run and see what you will get.
An average bitrate with 7361 kb/s is not that bad.
Where did you get this "7361" from? If it is a message from your encoder while encoding, this should be ok.
yeah its from the encoder, now it says the average is 7418, so thats a little better anyway
Oldschooljedi said:I assume, you want to make a DL DVD?
1. How much audiostreams do you want on your DVD?
2.How high is the bitrate for every audiostream?
3. Do you want to have the original menu on your DVD?
4. Do you make a DVD with selectable subtitles or hard encoded subtitles?
I'd like room for around three or four
Probably around 192 kbps, same as the official DVDs
Doesn't matter
selectable, I got rid of the hard encoded from the script
I'm like 91% on the second pass now and I REALLY don't want to have to encode this again. I also want to use this encode for parts of an edit and if it looks too compressed I cant do that
as a question, whats a good bitrate and max bitrate to encode this, as the source for an edit, I'm afraid I may have lowballed it...I set both to 9032 (I tried using vcalc and thats what it gave me) but its telling me my average bitrate is actually around 7361...
