Octorox

Trooperman said:

Octorox said:

Hey Trooperman, your color correction looks a little odd to me. Its seems like your going for a more muted look but you gave a lot of the scenes weird tints. I think I'll play around with color correction a bit and show you my results.

 

Yeah, I went overboard with the purple in the chase.  I'm sure Paul has noticed that as well and probably plans to change it himself....

 

It was just so hard to give this any kind of realism without sometimes going to drastic measures.  I remember reading an article where it stated that most professional cinematographers were "appalled" at how bad AOTC looked in theaters (due to the still-new HD filming).  The colors are so screwed up, and combined with all the phony looking digital effects it looks like a cartoon.

In my version it doesn't, but I do think in some cases I went too far.  Hopefully we can pull back the tint but still keep that more muted look...

You could always go for a bit more desaturated high contrast look. The increased darks would hide some of the cgery. In fact, desaturated and darkening those city scenes makes them look quite striking. Like the Dark Knight or something

btw I'm thinking Georgie was going for sort of a technicolor look.

Hey Trooperman, your color correction looks a little odd to me. Its seems like your going for a more muted look but you gave a lot of the scenes weird tints. I think I'll play around with color correction a bit and show you my results.

Rhikter said:

Originally posted by TMBTM:

“To me it's clear that the midichlorians are not the Force, they are just life formes in your blood that helps you to "feel" the Force”

I used to be okay with viewing midi-chlorianss as the “organ” that allowed you to use the force, thereby distinguishing them as two very different things, but then it was pointed out to me that if this were the case you could create an army of Jedi clones.  Now I hate midi-chlorians again.

Originally posted by Monroville:

“…and the names in the prequels sound stupid or beyond childish (Jar Jar, Padme, Naboo, Darth Maul and Sidious, COUNT DOOKU, etc)?  I mean, Lucas named a villian after a Number 2 fer chrissake!”

What are you talking about?  These names are no more ridiculous than any in the OT.  I think you’re just shrugging them off as lesser because they came from the PT and not the OT.

Originally posted by Monroville:

“Let's not forget that the reason 3P0 and R2 have personalities is BECAUSE they've never had their minds wiped!”

Actually, astromech droids are the only ones that become “eccentric” if they go without a memory wipe for so long.

Originally posted by OzoneSherrif:

“When i see this Darth Maul Grievous i'm reminded of Darth Maul staying alive after Phantom Menace and getting robotic horse legs. it's totally goofy”

What are you talking about???

Originally posted by Octorox:

“Too much seperatist technology looks MORE advanced than what's used in the OT.”

This is one that I’m really sick of hearing.  The tech in the PT is not more advanced than that of the OT.  It’s a stylized primitiveness.  Think about the era that the OT was released in.  Everything, cars especially, had a very sharp and angular quality to them. Think about how you can see a lot of the working pieces on the Y-Wing and X-Wing.

   

The PT as an art style inspired more by the Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon era; an era that predates the one in which the OT was released.  Think about how everything is so sleek and rounded and then look at the Naboo Starfighter or Bail Organa’s speeder.
         

 

Lastly, Farlander, please do not write such ridiculously long posts.  Either do it in increments or reread before you post to make sure there isn't stuff that you can take out but still get your point accross.

Okay, if the tech isn't more advanced than why can't Darth Vader climb up walls and fight with four lightsabers at once? Why can't the empire have an army of roly poly droids that can be stored in masses, deploy personal bubble shields and take out Jedi. Droids in the OT hobble or roll along. Droids in the PT can run around and attack people.

Why exactly are you re-dubbing Owen and Lama Su? Did you just not like the original voices?

rcb said:

is it safe to download? the last thing i need on my computer is a virus. where did you download it from? torrent?

 After Effects? I didn't pirate it. You can get a 30-day trial right off Adobe's site. It's the new CS4 version

Hey Ady. I recently downloaded a trial of After Effects and It would be great if you could tell a little bit about how you do the color correction and stuff or maybe point me to some tutorials. Thanks!

maggot_brain said:

ehal256 said:

I know I'm way late to the party, but is there any chance of a reupload of the 12GB 1080p versions of episodes 4-6?

 

I'm downloading episodes 1-3 as we speak from a.b.starwars, but episodes 4-6 aren't anywhere as far as I can tell.  Even a torrent would be nice, albeit a little slow.

 

With all due respect to Wookiegroomer, his HD versions of the original trilogy have been superceded by Adywan's 1080p versions in my opinion.  Mainly due to the excellent colour correction Adywan has done on his releases but also due to the laserdisc audio.  You're probably better of getting these, there are torrents available right now.   You can convert them WITHOUT reencoding the video for playback on a 360 too.

Can you tell me what software I would use to do that? (convert them without reencoding)

Bingowings said:

adywan said:

Going a bit off topic here but i was watching ROTJ in HD tonight and i had always though that the Coruscant footage was people celebrating and pulling down the statue. i always though where the hell are the imperials and that the celebrations were too soon. But i was wrong. Upon closer inspection the crowd at the front aren't celebrating at all but are in fact a mob crowd attacking a stormtrooper. Ben Burtt totally screwed up the sound FX on this one. Should have been the sound of an angry mob and not a celebration.

There is some real potential for a sequel series to ROTJ here. The Stormtroopers (assuming they are still Clones) were created by the senate to protect the Republic. They were genetically programmed to obey orders without question so can they be held responsible for what they did during the Imperial period?  To maintain the Empire there must have been millions of them so what happens to them after the civil war (will the New Republic start it's new age by building concentration camps for the genetically modified and brain washed consequences of the Old Republic's assisted suicide?) How does the New Republic deal with the possiblity of someone else building a Death Star now that the technology has been proved to work? Does it build it's own?

Love the idea of redubbing the scene as a riot BTW.

 

I don't think most of the troopers are clones at that point. They don't have the accents plus they are different heights. Maybe the cloning facility became to expensive for the Empire or the sadistic Palpatine just felt like supplying his army with some fresh blood.

ben_danger said:

top one looks more bizare, personally i prefer it. bottom one looks too much like a shitzu.:P

The bottom is the unaltered SE Wampa. The Top is the SE Wampa modified with the face of the Wampa in the first shot where Luke and his tauntaun get knocked out.

Mock-Up Time!

The more I watch Ady's color corrected SE the more I think some of the Wampa shots need to stay. Maybe the first couple of shots should be cut but I think we should still see the thing coming for Luke. Of course, I believe Ady's word was final on this one but I do see the new shots as an improvement. The lack of seeing the full Wampa doesn't say "less is more" as much as it says "this was a clever way to get around limited technical capabilities". I feel like it's good that you don't see the Wampa when it captures Luke and the TaunTaun but when the thing starts coming for Luke you should first see it in it's full glory and say "Oh sh*t!"
  

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

adywan said:

Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

My biggest gripes with the tech are the shape shifting bionicle droids and other superfuturistic "war of the worlds" type designs. why is Vader a wheezing clunky metal man when Grevious could climb up walls and fight 4 jedi at once? I really want to see some rebel ships in prime condition too. I think the seperatists should use more of those.

 

The Clone Wars series has already shown Y-Wings (in their prime) being used by the Republic http://flickr.com/photos/rocketseason/sets/72157608098402281/

It would be nice to see some more though and perhaps on the otherside.

 

 

I would definitely like to see that be the Republic's main ship before they opt for a cheaper, smaller, easier to mass produce TIE fighter prototype in Ep III (instead of those giant ARC 170 beasts). Then because that ship design was so resilient and well equipped (just not right for the Republic's ever growing troops and ever shrinking budget) the Rebels pick it up later and make modifications.

adywan said:

Midichlorians took away all the mysticism that the force once had before the PT. Thanks to that damn saga people now think of the force on a completely different level. It didn't need to be bloody microscopic lifeforms that give people the power to use the force.  In the OT the force had a spiritual and religious nature about it whereas the PT took away all that and replaced it with a scientific explanation. Some people had the ability to use the force while others didn't. Its the same in every day life here. But that didn't need to be explained away as the ones that could use the force had a higher midibloodychlorian count. The OT had the spiritualism aspect and the PT need to be changed to reflect that. There will be no midichlorians in the PT revisited saga. All you have to do is remember Yodas speech about the force in ESB. No midichlorians

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we... not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

Can you imagine that same speech in the PT?

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Create it and make it grow the midichlorians do. Their energy inside us it is. Symbiotic beings are we... this crude matter we are not. Embrace your inner midichlorians you must. Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and the ship!

I agree that the technology seems light years ahead of what we see in the OT. GL should have shown how the clone wars caused the shift in technology and that times became hard and things technologically wise had come to a standstill. Things in ROTS should have had the "lived in" look that they did in the OT. The clone wars would have used a lot of resources and money and the Empire was starting to take a grip. The end shot in ROTS shouldn't have shown the Death Star being created but instead a vast shipyard of the Imperial fleet being built (which it will do in my edit). So all available money was being ploughed into creating the Empire. The whole ending of that movie was just too rushed to tie up all the loose ends

My biggest gripes with the tech are the shape shifting bionicle droids and other superfuturistic "war of the worlds" type designs. why is Vader a wheezing clunky metal man when Grevious could climb up walls and fight 4 jedi at once? I really want to see some rebel ships in prime condition too. I think the seperatists should use more of those.

One thing that really bothers me is that all separatist technology is pretty much wiped off the face of the earth by the time of OT. I'd like (especially if battle droids were recolored gray) to maybe see them use rebel transports and IG-88 assassin droids or earlier models of them. I'd like to see a uniform "gray and black" seperatist army with these types of things added to tie into the OT. I also don't understand how Grevious, as cool as he is, is a PROTOTYPE of Vader. I mean maybe I'd believe that if Vader had super streamlined armor and could fight with four lightsabers and climb walls like a spider. Too much seperatist technology looks MORE advanced than what's used in the OT.

Sevb32 said:

the idea of 3po not appearing til ROTS doesn't bug me, but how will you be able to pull that off with all the scenes he's appeared in?

 

When I first heard Anakin built (actually rebuilt) C-3PO I cringed because it seemed contrived, but that was only because I saw the OT first, if I had seen Episode 1 first it would not seem so small and contrived, it works if you watch them from 1-6 for the first time. It's also symbolic of what Anakin largely becomes. The droids are Anakin and Padme's and they are left with the Organas and Captain Antilles at the end of EP3. Why is that so bad, or hard for some people?

Owen not recognizing 3PO is a no-brainer, it's 22 years since he's seen him, C3PO is gold plated, a common looking droid and not the grungy thing he was 22 years prior. Owen seems to regard droids as only appliances anyway, and never even is told 3PO's name by the time he dies a day or two later in ANH.

It all just seems a bit too convenient. 3PO does or says nothing important in all of the PT. He could probably be painted out frame by frame. I would however like to see 3PO in all three movies. Just have him property of Padme throughout the PT, that way some of his interactions with R2 could be preserved.

adywan said:

RoccondilRinon said:

I just found this thread and have to say I love the idea of removing references to Naboo and calling the planet Alderaan. If it can be pulled off, it should be done.

But you would have to remove the end battle from TPM totally for a start. Remember Leia says "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons"  yet the Gungans do and Naboo have starfighters. Then there's the matter of Bail organa. Now in the PT a senator represents the planet. Palpatine is senator for Naboo then becomes chancellor and Padme then takes his place, but Bail is also a senator. There are just too many things that would need to be changed to make Naboo into Alderaan without making the PT even more conflicting with the OT than it is already

 

Naboo has a tiny fleet that looks more fit for a car show than a battle. By the time of ANH under the rule of the Empire they could have very well given up their fleet a long time ago. Also, I doubt Leia is considering the Gungans. The Naboo and the Gungans are more or less two countries on the same planet. When Leia says "we" have no weapons she probably isn't thinking about the Gungans.

adywan said:

An interesting idea about the clouds in ROTJ but there's a slight problem with that idea. We don't see Luke leave Dagobah and there isn't really a place where it could fit. Luke talks to Obi-Wan then we cut to the rebel fleet and the briefing then Luke appears. Adding a shot of Luke leaving in between that wouldn't really work

 Hmmm...didn't think about that. I suppose it would be easy enough to compose a shot from existing footage but your right in saying it might not fit well there.

Ripplin said:

That's a really cool idea! But, as BarBar said...it just feels unnecessary. To me, it would feel like when I'm watching a movie and it'll start raining to enhance the mood or something. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it just feels very hokey. Maybe Ady can give an opinion on this interesting idea.

Well. I can see how some might find it distracting. However I wasn't suggesting it be visibly clearing up while Luke is still on the planet talking to Obi-Wan, just as Luke is flying away in his X-Wing and we see the planet from afar.

I'm fine with the clouds on Dagobah now that I understand where you're coming from and I think it's really cool that Yoda might have manipulated the clouds. However, I'd really like to see an FX shot of the clouds clearing up as Luke leaves Dagobah after Yoda's death in Jedi. That would really just sell it for me. Plus it would bring more urgency to Jedi as it would emphasize that Luke's on his own now and no longer has the "shelter" of Yoda. Sorry for going a bit off topic.

Josh said:

Thanks ferry

Ady...you sound...so british! I think you live in the UK, after all this time?

lol you just figured that out?

ben_danger said:

ive already mentioned this, but it would be cool for just obi, anakin and yoda to be there at first, then afterwards loads of jedi spirits to begin emerging. just would tie the PT in with the OT (regardless of the whole being one with the force stuff)

 

maybe they could just appear at random around endor from afar, in some extended finale scene. im not a fan of the yearbook ending, but maybe something more reflective like the jedi appearing around vaders funeral, if that were the last scene.

I really like that idea. It really drives home that that Luke is essentially the rebirth of the Jedi order. It's better than "Weesa free", that's for sure.

There's no Purist DVD9 correct?

The locations are a lot more OTish though. There's a lot more hanging out in hangars and black space than just the "exotic planets" of the prequels.

Trooperman said:

Finally sent the hard drive.  Sorry I took so long.  

I'm finally home from college.  I had a great time but it just ate up any spare time to do stuff like this.  Now that I'm home I can actually hang out on this site the way I used to.  

As for the project, I think it would be best if Paul starts a new thread if and when he decides to tackle it.  It's his project now (although obviously I'll still be involved).  

 

It sounds awful to say this, but as I mailed that hard drive earlier this week, it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders, a weight that's been there since age 15.  This project started out fun, but gradually it became a monster and started to take my free time and the fun out of my life.  I am so happy that Paul is going to try to see it through to completion because he's never even seen it and he'll bring a fresh perspective to it as he finishes the audio and makes some final changes.  

Anyway, it's great to be back.  Feel free to ask any questions...I'd love to chat.  

 

This is still something people want to see, right?

Yeah, I'd love to see it! And again, if you ever need any more voiceovers I have access to a pro-quality mic and would be willing to take a shot at it...

btw what school are you going to and what's your major? I'm deep in the college application process right now.

adywan said:

The thing with dagobah is that for a while i was thinking about changing the planet to the one we see in ROTS (deleted scene). But then i realised something. The whole atmosphere is messing about with Luke's sensors and when he enters the atmosphere all his X-Wings controls die on him. He is out of control. Now if the cloud cover wasn't all over like is stands now why wouldn't Luke just head for a calmer area where there is no cloud? Yoda chose that planet for a reason. We see it in the ROTS deleted scene when Yoda arrives there and its got hardly any cloud cover. Now many years later we see it again and its got a turbulent atmosphere. maybe Yoda had something to do with that so he couldn't be found. I don't think that making it look more like it does in ROTS is the right way to go. Changing the planet to show more green would really make Luke look a dumb shit for heading down through a cloud covered area when he could have easily head towards the safer option.

Well maybe the force led him there to find Yoda? Idk. I understand your point, I just think the way Dagobah looks it could easily be Hoth or Bespin. Perhaps if you had the clouds move across the surface? There could be more cloud cover than ROTS but perhaps it's moving so that no area stay's bare for long. Luke could shoot for a bare spot but by the time he gets there the clouds have reached that point.