Octorox

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea. I think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the cloned army of one person...

I understand. I just don't like the idea of cloning Jedi...It just doesn't seem right and it doesn't seem Star Wars. The skills of a Jedi should be unique and not able to be cloned. In many ways I find that worse than Midichlorians.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Bingowings:  What is the Dark Side of the Force is like a cancer?  It consumes living things and the living power of the force.  The stronger you get, the weaker your "physical" body gets.  It can help explain Vaders armor and the emperor prunish exterior.  Remember that the force was never about physical strength anyway.  So as the emperor comes to power he APPEARS to be weakening which could lead to people following him out of respect for what looks like a dying leader, but in reality his powers are getting stronger

Hmm....I never thought about Vader's ailment being a result of his misuse of the force. That's actually an interesting idea.

astromech said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

 

I still think Tim Zahn's use of the clones is a far better example of what the Clone Wars might have been if George had thought it through more. Why would you use a clone from one person only? That only gives you one person's experience and knowledge. It's very limited, especially in an army situation where you need the knowledge and experience of more than one person. They might all develop their own personalities, but at the end of the day you're still dealing with a billion examples of one person.

Cloning Jedi, however...that's something different and could well provide the solution to the Sith problem. What if Jedi were cloned? Fighting an enemy who knows your every move as you make them (or even anticipating them) is far more difficult. Could you see yourself in the Force? Perhaps this explains why clones are difficult to 'see'. Maybe some of these clones survived and developed their personalities in opposite to the originals?

After all, what's a clone war if you only have clones fighting on one side...?

Just to add, perhaps this is also what caused the downfall of the Jedi too...their belief that the clones they had of them would see them through the war...?

No. It's like midichlorians. If Jedi could be cloned it would show that the force is biological and not spiritual. Big mistake IMO

Ziz said:

Alternate music track, then?  Something you can switch to by choice.

Adywan already confirmed he would do an alternate audio track with the unused score

darthmunky said:

Instead of restoring the Yub Nub song, why not use a new song entirely? Even though the Yub Nub song is much better than the current one, you still have to admit that it is also pretty bad. I'm sure Ady could figure out a way for a new song to fit in. Perhaps use some music from other Star Wars media? Just a thought.

Same goes for the music in Jabba's palace. Use the original Lapti Nek footage, remove the fat chick, and find a different song to play in the background. I'd even be happy if there was no music or dancing. Just sounds of alien chatter and stuff. It would make the scene a lot more fast paced.

Also, if Ady doesn't do a Hayden/Shaw morph to Anakin's face when his helmet is off, I don't think his eyebrows should be restored. I mean, the roots of his hair were totally burned... weren't they?

I also like the fan-o-matic ideas. I'm all for re-arranging scenes and whatnot.

ADM used the ROTS credit rendition of the force theme in his edit.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Octorox, I agree, lets skip the term Sith.  It was never in OT (on screen) anyway. As I mentioned before, if a jedi isn't "right" instead of Sith can't we just call them a "dark Jedi"?

 they don't really need a "title". They didn't in the OT and they don't really in the PT.

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker.

That's funny because I never thought that's what Star Wars should be about, which is part of why I'm so excited about this.

The original trilogy is about Luke, not Anakin.  The prequel trilogy, while I feel it should be able to be seen first without spoiling the surprises of the OT, should only exist to give context to the original trilogy, and I feel that Obi-Wan should be the central character while Anakin's role (size-wise) should be roughly equivalent to his role in the OT.

Well yes, it's about Luke. I should have clarified. I see it as about the skywalker duo, father and son. the father's fall, his son's following his footsteps and straddling the path to the dark side and then his redemption

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

 

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

I agree with you about some of the ideas in PT being great and I think they should be kept, the idea of Palpatine working two sides of a war to his own ends is perfect and most of the way his character was handled was spot on, though we should ditch the hologram in a hood idea, Palpatine/Sidious is a dead give away to the audience. It would make much more sense if the Dark Side has eaten him alive by the time the prequels come around than have him disfigured in a force lightning accident (surely Luke got as much if not more exposed to that trick than Palps did but I didn't notice him getting all pruned up).

I also like the twist of having the Clones work with the Jedi but that would make sense for Clone War I , Clone War 2 should be the clones Vs the Jedi lead by the mysterious Darth Vader (hunting down and destroying them, including Anakin until he is captured by the Emperor).

Instead of Jengo, the Clones could be derived from the mysterious Sith pirates.

The Mandalorians could be hired by the Emperor to assist in the massacre using their tracking skills.

 

 I don't think the word "Sith" should ever be uttered in the PT. It's so vaugley defined in the Star Wars Universe and I think it would confuse anyone who saw the PT and thinks sith automatically equals evil jedi. I think the clones could be just formed from mandalorian hosts (various, explaining the different height stormtroopers) which where picked for the strength and ability. If we want to give Boba a backstory he could essentially be a "glitched" clone who develops an unusual cunning and  will of his own and breaks away from the Republic after training, becomes a bounty hunter and aids the Seperatists/Confederacy/Bad guys/whatever for a quick buck. We still would never see Boba as a kid, we would never se his "father" and we would never see him "unmasked" but we would still give the popular character a backstory and potray him with respect to his portrayal in ESB.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

 

How is he a cousin?

A cousin is the child of the sibling of one of your parents, not the sibling of the spouse of one of your parent's siblings.

 

 

Well cousin is loosely defined. There are second and third cousins and there can be generational gaps between cousins...I generally call anyone I can't place a name on a cousin. For all intensive purposes it really doesn't matter, I just don't think Luke and Obi-wan should be related.

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, you saw the prequels first - that explains why you're much, much, much more willing to preserve some of George's ideas than we are.

To me, the PT took everything I loved about the OT and made it pretty much irrelevent.  The Jedi were NOTHING like they were depicted in the originals, the Republic wasn't a Republic, and the Clone Wars made no sense, among other problems (i.e. the whole movies feeling like the Endor and Tattooine scenes of ROTJ, a flawed film I'm working on fixing for my first fan edit).

Even though I saw the prequels first I still prefer the OT. There are a lot of things I look back and dislike about the PT. They were not great movies to be blunt. The OT (or at least ANH and ESB) deserves a special place in the history of American cinema and the PT does not. However, I believe the PT contained some smart ideas and even small moments of brilliance hidden under the thin veneer of crap. The PT was poorly executed but they were not devoid of worth and TPM and ROTS were both enjoyable. I would intend to preserve George's ideas that make sense and add to the "saga" and throw out those that don't.  Some of the ideas mentioned in this thread don't sit well with me because they completely throw off the whole idea of the "saga" being about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker which I always thought needs to be the overarching message and should still be preserved. Again, the overarching story I have never seen as bad, it's all in the execution, how George develops these themes he's decided to focus on.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

Correct me if need be but is the brother of your uncle by marriage also your uncle?

I don't think of my mum's sister's husband's brother as my uncle...but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it makes Luke and Ben tenuously related but if he sat him down to explain it all to him it would sound like Spaceballs.

Ah well maybe it's not uncle but he's at least a cousin. Either way I see no reason to add more familial relationships to established characters that weren't already made known in the OT.

Bingowings I enjoy your ideas but man, you guys think George changed the whole meaning of the OT? Bingowings ideas just completely flips on it's side. Why wouldn't Luke ever get to know that Obi-Wan was his uncle? I wouldn't establish any more "surprise!" brother sister aunt uncle cousin relationships in the PT because I thought Leia being Luke's sister was already farfetched enough. I'm going to make another post where I revise my ideas to be more in line with what you guys are thinking, but man, I think some of you guys idea's are a little far out, even more so than Goerge's o_0. Maybe It's because I saw the PT first tho (Don't judge me for it!) idk.

starwarsfan8376 said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

Obiwan would sense who Vader is and Vader's response helps to seal the deal: Obi asks," YOU are Lord Vader?" Vader should attack him ferociously. Obi starts,"...Anakin..." Vader finally speaks, cutting him off, "is no more."  The audience whould be convinced the other student survived.

Love this idea!!

 

I'm doing some brainstorming myself.  More later.

 

Yeah that I like. nice idea

WheresBlackhawk said:

I think people are taking the HanSolo-like statement too literally.  Anakin can't be a refined character, because he needs to be reckless and have some anger management issues.  He certainly should not be a rogue or scoundrel either.  My comparison stems from Anakin being the kind of guy who would chase down an entire squad of troops by himself to save his friends or ride out to almost certain doom on a frozen wasteland to save his friend.  I don't see him as a thief or pirate, but someone who jump into the fray to save someone from being hurt.  Not for glory or payment, but because it is the right thing to do.

oh and CRAP i was really starting to dig the idea of getting away from Tatooine except for one silly Obiwan line from ANH...Owen thought Anakin should have stayed HERE and not gotten involved.  As I said...CRAP.  Erik I really liked your relocating idea...can you make this line not a lie?

Well I was responding to Bingowings not you. I don't think Anakin should be totally refined and proper. 

I just think he should be believably Vader at some later point in life. I couldn't see Vader instantly expanding his vocabulary and changing his patterns of speech as soon as he gets in the suit, can you?

As for your idea of Anakin, I agree with it. It' important to expose Anakin's flaws early on though IMO. What The Phantom Editor did with Ep II is very much in line with your view of Anakin BTW. You should check out the commentary on his disc.

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think thre's a problem with Owen being Obi-Wan's brother, but I don't know about the Anakin being Han-like, either.  I think Anakin should be his own character, not a copy of another character from the OT.  He needs to be a compliment to Obi-Wan, the kind of person that really WOULD be a good friend to him.  He also needs to be an incredibly gifted pilot and fighter with a very strong aptitude for the Force, but just a little bit reckless, to the point where he'd rather fight his way through a problem than be patient and figure out a peaceful solution, which is Obi-Wan's forte.

I wasn't suggesting he should be a copy but in a similar vein, alpha male, likes a good drink, good with the blue ladies but deep down he knows there is more to life (like Luke) something that would click when Obi-Wan picks him out.

Han's a pirate, a gun and ship for hire, Anakin could just be a pilot on a spice freighter but a good drinking buddy who meets this mystical knight and takes a genuine interest in what he's saying.

Anakin in TPM is a toddler version of Luke.

He's stuck on a planet in the middle of nowhere but wants to see the stars.

It would make more sense if Anakin had already seen the stars and though he could tell some good stories about what he saw there he never really found anything within until he meets that Jedi bloke that his drinking pal keeps moaning about.

It would also address the Tatooine problem, Luke isn't hidden on Anakin's homeworld but on a place he used to stop off at when he was between jobs.

Just one truck stop on the galactic high road.

 

I just don't like the idea. Anakin should be a naive kid who want's to see the stars. And besides how would Anakin go from saying phrases like "cut the crap" to "you may dispense with the pleasantries". I don't see how lovable rouge is any better than "Yipeeee!". The answer is not to turn the PT into the OT. It doesn't need a lovable rouge and a sassy princess and a reliable furry friend. It's different, it's grander, it's more opulent, it's more serious and operatic. I really think all the PT characters should be a little formal and stiff compared to the OT characters. It's a different time. And don't you guys like the ideas of parallelism? symbolism? the cycle of life? all things George was trying to achieve with the prequels but failed?  seriously, It starts on Tatooine and then everything comes full circle and there is a "new hope" again on Tatooine.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Why have Owen Anakin's stepbrother?

If you really want to start from scratch have him Ben's brother.

Ben is already a proven fibber and it made sense in the ROTJ novelisation for Obi-Wan to place Luke with his brother than Anakin's.

All the resentment about damn fool idealistic crusades could be Obi-Wan talking about his relationship with his own sibling and Anakin could have been this Han style great pilot that Owen and Beru used to drink with down the Cantina when he was a hot headed slacker kid (the type of boy he keeps telling Luke off for being). Anakin could have been type of cool brother Owen always wished he had instead of some weirdo hippy mystic ninja.

Owen could be just as mad at Ben for taking away and corrupting his idealised brother as well as not being it himself.

That adds depth to four characters in one swoop.

 

meh...you can add depth to the characters in other ways. I don't like the idea because it is established that Owen is Luke's uncle and nowhere is it established that he is related to Ben. That just muddles up and confuses things even more IMO.

I also thoroughly dislike the idea of Anakin being a Han like character. Han represents the type of person who thrives in the days of the Empire, when the more civilized and refined days of the republic are over. The characters of the PT shouldn't be as "modern" as the OT characters in that way. It also doesn't fit with Vader's very formal and regal sensibilities and pattern of speech.

 

The lack of a lovable rogue is one of the many things that hamstrung Lucas' prequels.

Besides a prequel trilogy has to read both ways to really be of any worth (something else Lucas forgot).

It should work both when seen from I-VI and when seen from I-III after the OT.

The audience needs some surprises in a series where the outcome is already known to 99.99% of the target audience.

It fits in with Obi-Wan's point of view philosophy (something already established in the OT), it's not as daft as Anakin building Threepio and Owen living with him for months (maybe years) and then forgetting about it or Obi-Wan not showing even the slightest recognition of knowing Artoo despite the crucial role he played in his many years as a Jedi (that's a lot of points of view that old fossil is keeping under his hood).

 

 

well maybe there could be a big falling out between Owen and Anakin and Anakin swears never to return again? Perhaps Anakin doesn't even get to know that his wife was pregnant.

Bingowings said:

Why have Owen Anakin's stepbrother?

If you really want to start from scratch have him Ben's brother.

Ben is already a proven fibber and it made sense in the ROTJ novelisation for Obi-Wan to place Luke with his brother than Anakin's.

All the resentment about damn fool idealistic crusades could be Obi-Wan talking about his relationship with his own sibling and Anakin could have been this Han style great pilot that Owen and Beru used to drink with down the Cantina when he was a hot headed slacker kid (the type of boy he keeps telling Luke off for being). Anakin could have been type of cool brother Owen always wished he had instead of some weirdo hippy mystic ninja.

Owen could be just as mad at Ben for taking away and corrupting his idealised brother as well as not being it himself.

That adds depth to four characters in one swoop.

 

meh...you can add depth to the characters in other ways. I don't like the idea because it is established that Owen is Luke's uncle and nowhere is it established that he is related to Ben. That just muddles up and confuses things even more IMO.

I also thoroughly dislike the idea of Anakin being a Han like character. Han represents the type of person who thrives in the days of the Empire, when the more civilized and refined days of the republic are over. The characters of the PT shouldn't be as "modern" as the OT characters in that way. It also doesn't fit with Vader's very formal and regal sensibilities and pattern of speech.

ChainsawAsh said:

I think your ideas retain too many current prequel elements - Anakin, Owen and Obi-Wan should NOT live on Tattooine, Anakin should NOT have anything to do with Threepio's "origin," though your ideas are indeed better than those in TPM (I do like your Artoo idea, though), and the whole Lars family thing just feels too clunky.  I think Owen is the only member of the Lars family that should be seen in the prequels.

Erikstormtrooper's ideas I like.  I don't know about the last name thing, but it's interesting - I just think you're taking the "no longer has any meaning to me" thing a little too literally.  And I don't think Luke/Leia's mother should die.  In fact, it might be a good idea for her to be an Organa, or at least a member of Alderaan's royal family.  And Alderaan should be a major location in the trilogy, NOT TATTOOINE.  There's already plenty of time spent on that planet in the OT.

Well I could eliminate Anakin's mother by making Anakin an adopted child. Then Owen, Anakin and Owen's father (who would die at some point in the trilogy) would be the only members of the Lars family. Again, I don't think George's ideas are all bad and have far less issue with the prequels "coincidences" than most people do. I think making 3PO start out with the Lars family and eventually be brought there again by the will of force (or at least I consider it that) is an interesting story arc. I might revise and simplify my ideas for the purpose of story clarity. I also see no problem with more time on Tatooine in the PT. I like the idea of things coming around full circle and the PT and the OT paralleling each other. We would still see other planets, Aldeeran, Coruscant and more. In fact, there could be tons of planet hopping in Episodes 2 and 3 with the wars going on.

Okay here's some rough ideas.

Episode I

CHARACTERS:

The Lars family:

Anakin Skywalker lives on the moisture farm with his stepbrother Owen, Owen's girlfriend Beru, His stepfather, and his mother. His father abandoned his mother when he was very young. His other family members have the name Lars (His stepfather's name) while Anakin has the family name Skywalker, his mother's maiden name. Anakin's mother is in her late 30's or so and could be similar to her portrayal in Episode I by Pernilla August. Anakin's stepfather is older, say in his 50's, is very ill and cannot work on the farm.

Anakin and Owen:

The two boys do all the farm work and their parents rely on them to make their living. Anakin is about 15 or 16 and Owen is about 19 or 20. Owen is courting Beru and expects to marry her soon. He has a very practical work oriented mind and only thinks of providing for his family and his girl. When Obi-Wan comes to whisk Anakin away he is very upset at Anakin and argues that he needs to stay to provide for the family. He sees Anakin as an idealistic person who doesn't put family first. Anakin, like Luke, is very adept with computers, technology and piloting. He has a strong imagination and always looks toward the future. He parallels Luke in many ways although he also has a harsh, resentful and impulsive side to his character which isn't present in Luke. He is always searching for bigger and better things. He has a very close attachment to his mother but doesn't have good relationships with his step family. His mother and the Lars family were only married together a few years ago. When Obi-wan finds Anakin he immediately senses his capacity in the force and thinks Anakin is so unusually adept that Jedi code regarding age and history (The Jedi like to start with clean slates) should be broken to allow for his immediate training.

Obi-wan Kenobi:

Obi-Wan Kenobi is a young Jedi knight in his prime. He is in his late twenties or early thirties during episode I. He was a prominent pupil of powerful Jedi master Yoda and was selected for an important mission. When he finds himself on Tatooine and stays in the Skywalker home he is not liked by Owen, who sees him as an idealistic philosopher who lives a life of grandeur, knows nothing of real work, and is mooching off the family. Anakin is fascinated by  his stories of the Jedi order and wants to be taken to Coruscant trained. His mother also takes a liking to Obi-Wan and believes life as a Jedi may be the best think for Anakin, who is always looking for bigger and better things and does not fit in well with the Lars family. Obi-Wan does end up taking Anakin to be trained.

C3PO

This droid is unnamed at this point. He was obtained by Anakin from a junk pile and Anakin fixed him up. He has unfinished rusty body plating. C3PO isn't assigned his number name yet and when Obi-Wan asks about the droid the Lars's say he has no name. C3PO can speak no languages other than Galactic Basic and a few other odds and ends and is generally is of no use to the Lars  family. "He can't even speak Bocce" and is the most complex and at the same time to most useless droid in the Lars household. He constantly whines and nags and is a general annoyance. Obi-Wan agrees to take the droid with him as well as Anakin. Later in Episode I he is assigned a number and given his gold finish, his memory is also wiped. What the Lars's didn't know is the C3PO has an incredible capacity for learning. He can pick up information very quickly and easily (all protocol droids can) and by Episode IV he is "fluent in over 6 million forms of communication" Obi-Wan sees his use where the Lars family cannot. 3PO, with his different finish, new number, and many new abilities, is unrecognizable to Owen in Episode IV.

R2D2

R2D2 is a personal Astromech and utility droid owned by the Jedi order. (The Jedi have no worldly attachments, everything they own is owned by the order and free to be shared between Jedi). He is currently in the possession of Jedi knight Obi-Wan Kenobi. Kenobi uses R2D2 to help pilot and repair his ship (most Jedi aren't terribly technologically adept) as well as to transmit and receive messages and other utilities. When on Tatooine, R2 quickly befriends C3PO. 

MORE COMING SOON...

astromech said:

Zahn's post OT trilogy of books mentioned that there were clones of Jedi, not just clones of a bounty hunter. Perhaps, one aspect of the Clone War could be Jedi vs cloned Jedi...how would each one know which was the real one, or more to the fact, how do you fight an enemy who knows your exact move as you're about to make it? Perhaps Darth Vader could be born of Anakin's clone...a replacement who genuinely doesn't know that he is a clone and filled with the rage of watching himself die at the hands of his closest friend?

Having the cloned Jedi involved might give more impact to the whole Clone Wars idea, rather than a slightly weak 'we've cloned a billion versions of this one man, let's use them to fight' type thing....

ewww....ewww.....ewwwww.......NO!!!!!

sorry but no...that's a positively terrible idea. worse than midichlorians.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Well, it is just an outline.  Like I said, it needs a story; an "idealistic crusade."  The outline is just a few concepts and plot points I think need to be hit in an EPISODE ONE.

some things I like. But I'm still adamant that Anakin shouldn't be an adult in the first movie. 15 at the oldest.

meh...seems a little boring and by the book. I'll see if I can come up with a concept.

It would be cool if the Jedi temple was on Coruscant for thousands of years and Palpatine makes them move to Dantooine or somewhere to "protect Corsucant from attacks against the Jedi". Later he is able to attack the Jedi without the atrocities being so public.

Monroville said:

Ripplin said:

Just played the test disc on my 60GB NTSC PS3 (I can provide more specs if necessary) and it looked beautiful. It was on a 32" CRT using s-video, but still. ;)

 

Hey Ripplin:
you know, that's something I am having some issues with.  Now I am using NERO 7 (which could be the problem), which is auto-converting all HD2DVD downloads I get to a standard (and unchangeable) 720x480.  What program do I need to get so I can burn MKV files or converted MKV files so I can get the entire 1280x720 or 1980x1080 resolution on said DVD-5 or DVD-9 (or any high resolution file for that matter)?

Also, this goes out to Ady:
what program(s) do you use to convert material from PAL to NTSC or vice versa?  I was using ISO Buster, but that seemed to have busted on me: when I convert all video files from PAL to NTSC except the main VOB file, it still registers as PAL.  When I convert the main VOB file, the entire video file becomes unreadable, even if I switch it back!

As far as where to find these:
all we need is a Paradox or OneClick pointer (just the name of the site, not any specific links).  Once we know where to go (in general), we can find it from there.

Handbrake can convert the m2ts file in "STREAM" into a 1080p mkv. You may loose a little quality tho because it reencodes it.

WheresBlackhawk said:

I'll try to keep this shorter than my first post.

I think there are a lot of good ideas being passed around here and I like the free exchange of ideas.  It really helps get the creative juices flowing.  Before anyone goes off on a scripting tangent, maybe we should try to get some concepts clarified.  That way we have some common ground from wiwhich we can start.

My two biggest questions are:

1.) Who are the Jedi?

I always felt that the depiction of the Jedi in the PT had nothing in common with how they were spoken of in OT.  Jedi should never be bad-a$$es.  They are supposed to be calm and at peace and only use the force for knowledge and defense.  Remember that Luke was an exciting Jedi, but he was always on the edge of falling to the darkside.  We need to see Jedi in their prime.  We should never see Obiwan swinging his lightsaber like Conan and killing a creature like in AOTC (the force is created by ALL living things...that implies sanctity of ALL life).  I think one of the greatest challenges for the writers is to create and action/adventure story about characters that are NOT about action/adventure.  Should they be more mysterious?  Should there be a council?  Considering how they are thought of in OT.  Should they be discredited as well as terminated by the end of film three (similar to the Templar Knights)?

2.) What is the Clone War?

If this project is starting from scratch, than this is where we need some starting point ideas.  I like the idea of the first movie being pretty much stand alone like Star Wars was.  Should this movie be the impetus of the Clone Wars (like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, the sinking of the Lusitania, or Pearl Harbor)?  I figure it should still be engineered by the future Emperor, but should blame be laid on the Jedi?

I know everyone has their own ideas, but if these questions are solidified BEFORE anyone starts scripting, I think it will help the group effort.

I think the Jedi should be spread about the galaxy and the council should only meet when something really urgent happens. I don't like the idea of the Jedi being so closely entwined with the Republic. I think they should have their own interests and form a loose alliance with the republic when they feel a disturbance in the force.