Octorox

Ripplin said:

Interesting clip, but I don't see how it has anything to do with the SE. They applied the blue hue to the entire movie, not just the Hoth scenes. Plus, that was years ago.

well I was thinking maybe George blued it out to make it look closer to the original concept art...his "original vision".

this clip from the clone wars site is actually kind of insightful as to why the hoth scenes were so blue in the SE...I still like the white better, just thought it was interesting.

http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000757.html

Grythandril said:

I have a question for the guys who are revisiting ESB.

I read about the bridge scenes being a mess and I agree that the command control are a long way from the bridge which also annoyed me on the dvd version and am glad you are trying to fix this.

My question is this

The scene with Vader, Ozzel, Veers and Piett.

Vader; "That is the system and I'm sure skywalker is there.  Set your course for the Hoth system.  General Veers preprare your men"

Will you be ommitting the line that vader states "I'm sure skywalker is there"

I hope so and the reason being that if vader is looking for skywalker then the whole scene with the emperor is pointless as he surprised that skywalker is strong in the force and he blew up the death star.

I alsway though it should have been this

Vader; "That is the system.  Set your course for the Hoth system.  General Veers preprare your men".

Also love the the pics shown of the new bridge scenes

I think they are changing the emperor scene instead.

C3PX said:

Sky's post reminds me of an observation I made earlier this week. I decided to finally sit down and watch Peter Jackson's King Kong remake. I was actually really enjoying it for the first hour or so, slow moving, but interesting enough. Then they landed on the island and it got really boring as we spent the next hour or so watching a well rendered CG monkey dance around, small things, and fight dinosaurs, in a series of action sequences that get so boring and repetative I have no idea how anyone could stand to watch the movie more than once per lifetime. Sad thing is, I was actually enjoying the movie up until that point, but for the sake of my own sanity I turned it off and went to go do something else and have yet to finish it. Do people really find watching what is essentially computer generated cartoon characters beat the crap out of each other in endless and meandering battles to be entertaining? I just don't see it. 

Alright, back to my point. My point is back in 1993 I went to see a film called Jurassic Park, it pretty much defined awesome to me at the time. I had always loved dinosaurs, but I never really ever had a solid image in my mind of what a real dinosaur might have looked like, after seeing Jurassic Park I was convinced beyond a doubt that that is exactly how a real one would look. Any movie I had seen before with dinosaurs in it contained dinosaur models that were far from convincing. Jurassic Park mixed real physical animatronic models with CG elements, and it was down right amazing. I could care less about the later two films, but I still watch the first one sometimes, and am still impressed with how damn awesome those dinosaurs look. Maybe it is just my bias from having seen it in theaters back when it was state of the art, and thus is cemented in my mind as I originally saw it, I don't know, but I still think it looks amazing.

Now, flash forward to the year 2005. Over ten years later. Take a look back at 1993, remember those things people called cell phones? Remember those bricks people use to carry around on their hips called pagers? Look at cars, computers, televisions, cameras, and every piece of technology you can imagine. It was a different world, if we could zip back in time we would feel like we were in the stone age! 16 bit graphic consoles, PCs running Windows 3.1, no mp3 players, but kids carrying around massive clunky Walkmen with massive clunky headphones. Technologically, the difference is extreme. So why is it that in this massive budget movie we are back to having dinosaurs that look like cartoons? If a movie from the archaic early nineties managed to pull off dinosaurs that could make a 12 year old nearly pee his pants, why are we now making movies that look like Roger Rabbit or Pete's Dragon? How have we regressed so far in the evolution of special effects?

I have to disagree. Jackson was going for more surreal fantasy "monster" type Dinosaur's while Spielberg was going for realism. They don't look like cartoon characters at all IMO.

vaderios said:

Master Qui-Gon said:

Yeah some look good, but the whole movie shouldn't be so dark. For example the jedi archives are way too dark.

 

Imagine like the prequels were cheap and the production team wanted to hide the missing set extentions or bad mattes :P

That is the idea

 

-Angel

yeah but the OT isn't even like that. It's actually very well lit and colorful. Especially in Adywan's revisited version.

WheresBlackhawk said:

ChainsawAsh...I was joking about the titles.  I know they would need to be changed. It was just amazing that they worked with the ideas that were falling into place.

3p0 could definitely be bail's.  A protocol droid would be more useful in a time when the people would negotiate more. During the Empire, droids like 3p0 would not be as much in demand because the Empire would not negotiate, it would dictate it's will.  Wouldn't it be cool to see a more confident 3p0 here?  We could watch his life slowly chip away at his nerve-circuits, until he becomes that "perhaps we were made to suffer" droid we know and love.  If we go with fact that Bail is offworld during the invasion because he has no aspiration to rule, 3p0 could be having a pretty good and stable life.  He could be very vocal to Bail about not going back, even moreso about leading the attack to take back Alderaan. 

R2...hmmm...Obiwan doesn't seem to remember ever owning a droid.  I don't think owning such things really works with this almost monastic interpretation of the Jedi.  How about R2 belonging to Anakin's captain?  We can see that R2 is a different kind of droid, because he would be devastated by his master's death.  Maybe he follows Anakin and becomes his droid out of a sense of loyalty (Anakin DID step up when his master was killed after all).  Here's an introduction idea:

When Obiwan gets on the freighter, he goes to the bridge with the captain. There we see the captain go through his preflight asking questions of the pilot, anakin, anyone else you think is important and R2 who would be entrusted with engines, lifesupport, anything else that seems like R2's bag.  There could be a nice exchange where something isn't ready and the captain says something "Its your job to hold this bucket together. Why do you think I keep you around?"  R2 beeps a bit.  The captain chuckles, "Yes, you WERE the cutest R2 unit in Ardmobar."  The captain pats his dome. 

This kind of exchange would show that there is something different and special about R2.  Luke never saw such devotion in a droid.  We should make use of that character trait.

Just so people know where I was planning to go next -- Most of my ideas for the sequels stem from one line by Obiwan, "I was ONCE a Jedi knight, the same as your father."

I was thinking that R2 could be technically owned by the order, not by Obi-Wan although it is in use by Obi-Wan. then technically what Obi-Wan said was true, from a certain point of view....

Fang Zei said:

now this is interesting ....

Okay... here's an interesting bit of information that leaked on the Net yesterday. The Cool Toy Review website posted shots from a Lucasfilm sales presentation that revealed the Holiday 2009 release of a second LEGO Indiana Jones video game... and the complete Indiana Jones Trilogy on Blu-ray Disc. The post was pulled down faster than you can say Lost Ark, but a few other sites still link to the URL it was at, including The Pirate Universe. We're trying to confirm this with our industry sources, so we'll let you know when we do. Lucasfilm has already let it be officially known that Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Season One is coming to Blu later this year via Warner (our sources say it will likely hit stores in November), so this would mean that Lucasfilm is embracing the format in a big way this year. Our sources have previously informed us that at least some of the Star Wars films may be on deck for Blu-ray release starting in 2010, but that's still a ways off. As is always the case with Lucasfilm news, we'll believe it all when we see the actual discs on the shelf.

-from the rumor mill at thedigitalbits.com

This is the first time they've ever mentioned that little bit about their sources saying to expect Star Wars on blu-ray next year, though I don't get why LFL would only put "some" of them out and not all six at once. I would think they'd finally give us all six movies together in one collection for the people who've been waiting so long (I mean, OOT or no OOT, it's supposed to be one big six-part movie, right?!?!?!) Yeah, I'm not giving much credence to that "some" part.

The other thing I'm seriously wondering is whether LFL will actually do everything right this time. Don't get me wrong, I hope blu-ray takes off, but how confident is LFL that they'll be able to successfully double and triple dip all over again on this brand new format?

"some" might mean just the prequels or even just II and III. since they're already digital it would be less work to bring them to blu.

nice job but it all looks too dark and moody, pretty much devoid of any color. Like a horror movie or something. The OT was NOT like that.

I made  short recording of ChainsawAsh's script. Pay no attention to the fact that my voice sucks, my Obi accent sucks and the recording quality sucks lol. Just wanted to maybe see how it would play out.

EDIT: No, it sucked to bad....

Erikstormtrooper said:

But then who is Vader before Anakin becomes him? Or are we dropping the Dread Pirate Roberts angle?

a pirate. a former student of Obi-Wan. It doesn't matter.

starwarsfan8376 said:

Rather than having two Vaders, why not play up the dual-persona angle, without revealing that Anakin is Vader?  In other words, keep Vader an off-screen villain who does terrible things, until Obi-Wan faces him and says "YOU are Vader?!?" Vader puts Obi in a Force-choke.  Obi-wan tries calling out to Anakin, who last we've seen is on the same planet.  Vader says "...is no more"

 

I think that would keep the suspense without all this multi-Vader silliness...

Yeah. That I like. The only Vader we see on screen should be Anakin.

ChainsawAsh said:

I wrote a short scene between Anakin and Obi-Wan aboard the spice freighter.  It was just a thought I had to get across the characters of Anakin and Obi-Wan, and the information about the Sith pirates and the nature of Vader.  I think it does a good job of getting a lot of information across in a short period of time, without having to build the Vader thing up over several movies as some have suggested would need to be done.  Tell me what you think:

Rapidshare (can only be downloaded 10 times - if it gets DL'ed more than that and others still want it, I'll re-up it)

not bad. not bad. I'm almost warming up to the whole Sith pirate idea. I'm still adamant that Anakin be a bit younger though. He even seems young and naive in your portrayal of him. He should be 16 or 17 not yet truly an adult but old enough. It still unsettling that there could be a Vader other than Vader though. I have always thought of Darth Vader as a unique character, not only pirate leaders in a long line of pirate leaders. Anakin/Vader should be something the galaxy has never seen before, that strikes fear into the hearts of his enemies. Seeing that Vader is just another Vader diminishes his character for me.

astromech said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I like I and II a lot, but not so sure about III.  I don't think there should be a Jedi Council at all.  I also don't think we should introduce the Emperor idea so late - that should come during II, in my opinion.  I also don't know what to think about us knowing the twins so early, though if there's one OT surprise we have to drop, that would be the one to drop.

I do, however, like the idea of them seeking Yoda's advice about the children.

I do like the Sith pirates thing, and if we need to use the Sith in some way, that's the way to do it.

 

I don't think we really ought to preserve any of the OT secrets. Everyone knows who Yoda is, everyone knows that DV is Luke's father and everyone knows that Luke and Leia are siblings. Who exactly are we keeping these secrets from? The whole point of the PT was to flesh out the backstory of the OT and show just how everything happened. How Anakin fell to the dark side, how the jedi knights were wiped out, how the empire rose, how Yoda ended up on Dagobah and how the twins were born and seperated. If you get rid of this How element then what is the point anyway?

If you want to just see how things happened, then you already have the Prequel Trilogy, flaws and all. By fleshing out the story, you also open opportunities to take things in slightly different directions, a 'What If?' scenario, so to speak. It's not looking to preserve the secrets of the OT, but to ensure that the PT tallies better with the OT instead of having contradictions or stupid ideas thrown in like midichlorians, or forcing the OT to make exceptions.This project, if it ever came to being, would be presenting things in a far different manner, so there is licence to move away from accepted routes. We all know the eventual answers, we just don't want them projected in such a clumsy and obvious manner.

I feel there were a lot of elements that warranted more investigation - the Clone Wars...what was the idea behind this, who was Darth Tyrannus, where does Dooku fit into things, why does Grevious know how to fight with sabers - was he a former Jedi and the prototype for Vader, etc...The PT has so many elements thrown into it that it becomes too messy ad confusing. Characters appear and disappear without explanation, everyone speaks with a formal tone and the Jedi, far from being the grand characters they should be, appear to be a police force with special powers and these symbiotic creatures living in them.

The fall of Anakin was also handled quite badly, going from one extreme to another with a lot of sulking inbetween. I believe it was pride that caused him to fall but pride should be displayed as much more than a sulking whinning person. A search for acception could also provide opportunities for Anakin's downfall. If he was really seeking acception from a family or group, then he would do things he thought would impress them. Recklessness comes from this devil-may-care attitude, from a wish to do something impressive. Flying through an advertising hoarding isn't reckless or impressive. It's stupid. Obi-Wan's 'failure' should be linked to this in some way. Perhaps he also has a stubborn pride that doesn't allow him to see things until too late. It was touched on in ROTS, but it should be more of his character - will he fail to be a good teacher, is he really as good as Yoda. Just how good was he...?

Should Palpatine really be an interloper...he seems to spend a lot of time trying to get Anakin without really doing a lot...Maybe he could be a Hitler type of character. An 'alien' who is trying to amass the 'perfect' Empire (as Hitler tried to do with his Aryan race, despite being non-Aryan in origin), without alien influence which ironically goes against what he is - an alien who has no accepted place in the galaxy...?

No I totally agree. What I'm saying is that I don't think that these prequels need to cover up the OT secrets.

ChainsawAsh said:

I like I and II a lot, but not so sure about III.  I don't think there should be a Jedi Council at all.  I also don't think we should introduce the Emperor idea so late - that should come during II, in my opinion.  I also don't know what to think about us knowing the twins so early, though if there's one OT surprise we have to drop, that would be the one to drop.

I do, however, like the idea of them seeking Yoda's advice about the children.

I do like the Sith pirates thing, and if we need to use the Sith in some way, that's the way to do it.

I don't think we really ought to preserve any of the OT secrets. Everyone knows who Yoda is, everyone knows that DV is Luke's father and everyone knows that Luke and Leia are siblings. Who exactly are we keeping these secrets from? The whole point of the PT was to flesh out the backstory of the OT and show just how everything happened. How Anakin fell to the dark side, how the jedi knights were wiped out, how the empire rose, how Yoda ended up on Dagobah and how the twins were born and seperated. If you get rid of this How element then what is the point anyway?

Erikstormtrooper said:

Here's my daily does of a whole lot of nonsense. Some of it feels right, other parts clunky. In my mind, I keep seeing this as more of a series of comic books than animated movies, but that's purely due to logistics.

Episode I - (25 Years Before the Battle of Yavin)

Anakin (20)
Obi Wan (35)
Bail (25)
Owen (25)

CRAWL:

A bitter conflict has erupted
throughout the Republic. After the
Galactic Senate's divisive decision
to abolish cloning, King Organa of
Alderaan has been assassinated by cloning
extremists, sparking the SECOND CLONE WAR.

In desperation, the Jedi Knight
Obi Wan Kenobi is on a mission to
locate the missing prince of Alderaan.

If the prince can be returned to
his home planet, there is hope that
reason and diplomacy can restore
peace to the galaxy.

Concept:

I see this as kind of like the American Civil War, but sparked by a WWI-type assassination. After the assassination of their King, the people of Alderaan get an extreme case of bloodlust and start a war with the advocates of cloning (i.e., terrorists). These Clone forces (whatever we want to call them, they may include Mandalorians and/or shocktroopers) shouldn't really be clones themselves, just people who believe in the right to make clones if they choose to. Anakin is the "everyman" in the movie, in that all the exposition for us is directed at him.

Synopsis - 1st HALF:

The story starts as a spice freighter (spice is a substance of questionable legality) exits hyperspace over a random planet, only to drop right into the thick of a battle. The ship is suddenly struck by random blaster fire, the captain killed, and the navicomputer damaged. But the navigator Anakin skywalker - with the help of the ship's astromech R2-D2 - begins repairs. While the battle rages, Anakin restores main engines and begins a slow getaway, when he receives a distress call from another nearby ship. He weighs whether he should get involved, risking being caught for his spice smuggling. After a moment, he decides to go back for the rescue.

As he docks with the damaged republic ship, a dazed Bail Organa and injured Obi Wan Kenobi come on board. Kenobi demands they immediately jump to hyperspace to Alderaan. But Anakin explains about the navicomputer. Just then, the Clone Forces begin to attack, and Anakin takes the pilot controls. He manages to artfully evade the attackers. Kenobi is impressed, but he has concerns about their ability to get out alive. In desperation, Anakin begins to manually enter coordinates into the navicomputer. Stunned, Obi Wan asks what he's doing. Anakin explains that he "knows the way home". As he throws the hyperdrive switch, they make the jump to hyperspace, on the way to Tatooine. Obi Wan passes out from exhaustion and his injuries.

When Obi Wan comes to, he's in a small room, being nursed by Beru, Anakin's sister. He wants to immediately leave to continue his mission, but he can't get up due to his injuries. Beru asks who he is, and he explains about the Jedi, his mission, being sent by Yoda (I'm beginning to like the idea of referring to Yoda but not seeing him). Bail Organa is cooling his heels in the background. We haven't really gotten to know him yet. 

After a few days, Obi Wan can amble around a bit with a walking stick, and he meets Owen Lars, a native of Tatooine. Owen was a friend of Anakin's who married Beru after father Skywalker died in the first Clone War. Owen and Beru now live on the Skywalker farm. Owen has little sympathy for Obi Wan, seeing what war has done to the skywalkers.

Bail comes in to talk to the recovering Obi Wan. We learn Bail's the reluctant heir who just wants to escape all this. He also thinks the war is justified and has no desire to stop it. Alderaan was ravaged by the first clone war, which was waged by an army of Clones known as shocktroopers. The shocktroopers were originally an experimental army for the Republic, but the cloning process was faulty, which caused the clones to go mad and mutiny. So in Bail's eyes, Alderaan is now doing what it must to protect itself. Obi Wan explains that the cycle of war will continue  - retaliation after retaliation, until someone can put the past aside.

A few days later, Obi Wan can walk around on his own, and he's beginning to grumble about leaving soon. He makes his way to the garage, where he sees Anakin tinkering. As a navigator who floats between jobs, Anakin is mostly away from the farm, but he spends most of his time in the garage when he's home. Obi Wan notices an old helmet displayed on the wall. Anakin explains that it was his father's fighter pilot helmet in the First Clone War. He gave it to Anakin on his deathbed, saying he "wanted him to to have it", knowing the young boy's enthusiasm for piloting. Obi Wan discusses Anakin's piloting skill and his trick with the navicomputer. Anakin says he's just always had a natural ability for piloting and a sense of direction in space. Obi Wan thinks for a while. He asks Anakin if he's heard of the Force. Anakin responds that he's not a religious guy. He mentions how his mother was killed by Tusken Raiders while father Skywalker was off at war.

Obi Wan takes a closer look at what Anakin is tinkering with: a holonet projector. Anakin notices and says "I figured you'd want some news of what's going on out there". After a minute, Anakin gets the thing to work. He fiddles with the dials and receives a transmission: Alderaan is under attack from the Clone Forces! Obi Wan calls to Bail, who watches with dread. Owen and Beru come in as well. After a few moments of silence, Bail says he's ready to return to Alderaan with Obi Wan.

But Obi Wan and Bail have no way off the planet. Obi Wan, sensing a moment of aligned opportunity, asks Anakin to pilot them back to Alderaan in the freighter. With the navicomputer unable to calculate coordinates, Obi wan pleads that Anakin can use his natural ability - with a little assistance from Obi Wan and the R2 unit - to manually enter the coordinates. Anakin could help save untold lives.

When Anakin doesn't immediately say no, Owen balks. He asks how Anakin could even consider this after all that's happened, how he could willingly put himself in harm's way. Anakin looks at his father's helmet on the wall, then grabs it and says "let's go". After Anakin leaves with the others, Owen says "I have a bad feeling about this". Beru replies that Anakin must follow his heart.

SYNOPSIS - 2nd Half:

Tune in next time as our heroes get in over their head. Anakin uses his piloting skills to disable a clone force dropship, Obi Wan faces off against the dreaded shocktroopers in hand-to-hand combat, and Bail Organa decides to join in the fight. Can they stop the invasion of Alderaan before it's too late?

Episode II (20 BBY)

Anakin (25)
Obi Wan (40)
Princess X (25)

A beautiful young princess (along with her golden protocol droid) is kidnapped by the dreaded sith pirates and their leader, Darth Vader. Anakin (now a Jedi Knight) and Obi Wan do battle with the sith and rescue the princess, with Anakin apparently killing Vader. Obi Wan explains that Darth Vader was once a student of his, but later turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, a band of masked marauders whose identity and species is unknown. Obi Wan uses the story of Darth Vader as a precautionary tale to Anakin on the appropriate use of the force. As Anakin and the princess fall in love, the Sith Pirates attack once again with a mysteriously revived Darth Vader. Anakin falsely believes Princess X to be dead, and he foolishly rushes off into battle. When he never returns, he is feared to be dead.

Episode III (17 BBY)

Vader/Anakin (28)
Obi Wan (43)
Princess X (28)
Luke (3)
Leia (3)

The repeated attacks by the Sith pirates have led to isolationism and xenophobia in the Republic. A charismatic senator has been named as emperor to provide a more centralized leadership in response to the sith pirates.

Because of their mutual affection for Anakin, Princess X and Obi Wan have become parents, in a way, for the Skywalker twins, but their relationship remains plutonic. Darth Vader, however, has spies that report otherwise to him.

Jedi have been mysteriously targeted by mercenaries known as the Mandalorians. The Jedi council (minus yoda) is convened, and they decide that they must make a stand against the Mandalorian threat. While the Jedi are slowly eliminated, Obi Wan does some sleuthing and discovers that the new Emperor has been manipulating the Sith and Mandalorians to his own ends. In a confrontation with Vader, Obi Wan asks what has happened to Anakin, and Vader responds that he is dead. During the battle, Vader falls into lava, and Obi Wan leaves him to die. Obi Wan has lost hope in everything he once fought for and believed in. The emperor announces a truce with the sith pirates, and as a sign of goodwill, makes Darth Vader his right hand man.

Both Obi Wan and Princess X, still clinging to their bittersweet memories of Anakin, are unclear about what to do with the children. They decide to seek the advice of master Yoda on Dagobah. Surely, he will know how best to protect the children. We see their ship approach Dagobah. The end.

ANH (0 BBY)

Vader (45)
Ben (60)
Luke (18)
Leia (18)

 

I like Episode I. Hate everything about II and III. Darth Vader should be the only Darth Vader and there should be no Sith pirates.

Bingowings said:

I had the idea last night of the first film starting with the Spice Freighter that Anakin is the navigator on picking up a distress call and finding a royal yacht that has just escaped from a battle.

It's really badly damaged and is brought onboard and they find Obi-Wan and Luke/Leia's mum inside but the ships that shot at them return and the Captain is killed.

Anakin uses his piloting skills to avade the pirate fleet and they take them to Coruscant.

Throughout the rescue Obi-Wan is sensing that the Force is strong in Anakin and seeks him out to help him track down a former pupil of his Darth Vader who is trying to kill the Queen for some reason (Palpatine has foreseen that any child she has will be his undoing and she is about to be married to the Viceroy of Alderaan).

This brings Obi-Wan back to his home planet of Tatooine.

I think it would be important to start the film off with a space battle and introduce the main ideas as soon as possible (like ANH did).

Good idea but I still think Anakin should be young, like a teenager. Maybe Owen is showing him the ropes in the spice freighter or something? Second, I don't like the idea that Tatooine is Obi-Wan's home planet.

Here's some Ralph Mcquarrie Coruscant art.

http://www.sithtower.de/sithtower/blue/index.php?title=Coruscant&file=coruscant

Honestly, I doesn't really look much different than how it ended up in the prequels, same with Aldeeran. About the Jedi robes: how would you explain why Yoda, Ben and Anakin all wear Jedi robes as ghosts in the end of ROTJ?

You guys are all suggesting that Jedi be trained as adults but wasn't Luke "To old to begin the training"

What about making Tarkin a close advisor to the king on Aldeeran who is spineless and plans against him behind his back? And what about making The twin's mom an Organa, the wife of Bail, who has an affair with Anakin, and then she dies and Bail remarries?

Also I think it's important that Anakin has a really seedy and unknown past, hence my idea of him being adopted.

vbangle said:

darthmunky said:

Having an alternate audio track on the dvd would be fantastic! It would be an all new experience to watch.

 

There isnt enough room, hopefully Adywan will maximise the video bit rate and forget anything like a alternate audio track

 

Ummm...no. The ROTS DVD has like 5 audio tracks and has reference quality picture and sound. ANHR has two audio tracks (isolated score and 5.1) an alternate audio track would make for a great feature on the DVD9. If you're talking about the DVD5, well that's another story.

astromech said:

The point of the cloning of the Jedi would show that the skills and powers can't be cloned which turns them mad...if you've read the Zahn trilogy, you'd see that there are no stable Jedi clones...only mad ones who believe themselves to be the original...

hmm....no I never read it but I generally don't care much for EU. I personally don't like the idea but I guess it could work.

astromech said:

Since the idea of midichlorians is universally hated (I hate it bitterly), use of The Force has to be more than spiritual otherwise everyone would be able to tap into it. Every Force user has to be biologically more capable of accessing that unseen power, some more so than others. Being more spiritual isn't going to help in this case.

As for Jedi putting themselves forward for cloning, just as with Darth Vader being a name, it might also show why they are long lifed...

Anyway, it was merely an idea. I think the Clone Wars needs to be more than the cloned army of one person...

I understand. I just don't like the idea of cloning Jedi...It just doesn't seem right and it doesn't seem Star Wars. The skills of a Jedi should be unique and not able to be cloned. In many ways I find that worse than Midichlorians.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Bingowings:  What is the Dark Side of the Force is like a cancer?  It consumes living things and the living power of the force.  The stronger you get, the weaker your "physical" body gets.  It can help explain Vaders armor and the emperor prunish exterior.  Remember that the force was never about physical strength anyway.  So as the emperor comes to power he APPEARS to be weakening which could lead to people following him out of respect for what looks like a dying leader, but in reality his powers are getting stronger

Hmm....I never thought about Vader's ailment being a result of his misuse of the force. That's actually an interesting idea.

astromech said:

WheresBlackhawk said:

How about we step away from specific characters for a bit and look the Wars themselves.  What are the Clone Wars? Who is fighting who? Why? Should the Jedi support clones?  If the force is energy from all living things, how does artifically created life affect it? Are clones a "hole" in the nature of the force?  Why are we talking about TWO wars?  Is the Republic the good side in CWI but maybe the bad side in CWII because of the Emperor taking control (but before it is declared an Empire)?

Let the ideas flow!

 

I still think Tim Zahn's use of the clones is a far better example of what the Clone Wars might have been if George had thought it through more. Why would you use a clone from one person only? That only gives you one person's experience and knowledge. It's very limited, especially in an army situation where you need the knowledge and experience of more than one person. They might all develop their own personalities, but at the end of the day you're still dealing with a billion examples of one person.

Cloning Jedi, however...that's something different and could well provide the solution to the Sith problem. What if Jedi were cloned? Fighting an enemy who knows your every move as you make them (or even anticipating them) is far more difficult. Could you see yourself in the Force? Perhaps this explains why clones are difficult to 'see'. Maybe some of these clones survived and developed their personalities in opposite to the originals?

After all, what's a clone war if you only have clones fighting on one side...?

Just to add, perhaps this is also what caused the downfall of the Jedi too...their belief that the clones they had of them would see them through the war...?

No. It's like midichlorians. If Jedi could be cloned it would show that the force is biological and not spiritual. Big mistake IMO

Ziz said:

Alternate music track, then?  Something you can switch to by choice.

Adywan already confirmed he would do an alternate audio track with the unused score