Octorox

Bingowings said:

gavin77 said:

Still no Adywan......hope that brother is ok.......

He is prolly busy having a life and working on this Star Wars thing he's been dabbling with in his spare time, I hope he is ok too but then I hope we all are all the time.

 

It's interesting because his profile says he was online just a few minutes ago...

Qui-Gon, Luke, and Dooku would be interesting as well because it would someone validate the connection between Dooku and Qui-Gon

darthmunky said:

On the lightsaber issue. I too think that all of the lightsabers in the PT should be blue. BUT, there could be a couple exceptions such as Yoda having a green one or Mace having a purple or green one too. Thus, only the most powerful of Jedi had green lightsabers. (3 in existance)

I thought it would be cool if Dooku had the only Green lightsaber other than Luke because he "stepped out" of the normal doctrine of the Jedi (but he would not use lghtning or anything and we would not know he was a Sith until later on) then when Luke builds one the audience becomes uneasy about his future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3roDTVzfgrA

wow

I'd really like to know where they got that shot of Obi and Padme. I'd love to use it in an altered Anakin dream sequence

I don't know why seeing Victory class Star Destroyers would really have as much of an impact on the audience as seeing the Death Star. The Venator class that we already see in ROTS isn't much smaller. I think impact on the audience is more important than sense. I wouldn't mind seeing both Death Stars being built though.

TLSO said:

I just had a thought recently, not to edit the films themselves but to bookend them with some short clips. Basically, like how a story arc on a TV show might have a cold opening recaping major events from the previous installment, and a post-credits scene would show clips from the next story. I liked the idea to simultaneously connect the movies while allowing them to be easily understood by newbs when viewed separately.

Phantom and Hope would have to give away the least details in the beginning - I think Phantom would just be a collection of clips from all 6 movies, maybe with Obi-Wan's speech about the Jedi Knights being the guardians of the Republic. Meanwhile Hope could maybe show a few clips from Sith, like Order 66 or Vader on the operating table without giving too much away (so you can watch from 1-6 or 4-6, 1-3).

So that's the idea.

cool idea

Bingowings said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Have a question.... Would everyone prefer me to do the Animated (A.K.A. storybook edition) to all six movies and not the Redemption trilogy I'm working on?

 Going by the few images I can see I personally prefer yours (taste being subjective other people may prefer this version) but there is room for more than one take on the same great idea.

Well I was going for more of a "hand drawn" look while his looks more painted.

would this interest anyone? Possibly edited into short episodes or something? Just a thought.

doubleofive said:

Octorox said:

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

 

Thank goodness.  Thought we were going to have to kick you out! ;-)

I just feel that the way Ian delivers some of his lines in Jedi he talks to fast. In most of the scenes he's Luke he's fine but in earlier scenes he doesn't have the slowness that I would usually associate with the emperor's voice. Lines like "I feel that you wish to continue your search for Young Skywalker" just don't sound right to me. Compare that to the end of ROTS or the SE holo convo and you'll see what I mean.

And P.S. I actually do think the emperor's "voices" in ROTS are cool but just as part of his transformation.

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Octorox said:

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Well, just be aware that Adywan will be changing *some* things...for example: the ending will be different...he's said before that he's going to *attempt* to kill Lando in the falcon. And of course, he's also said that the PT will be getting a complete make over...

I know my version is pretty out there...*I* don't want all of the changes I've done in Adywan's edit.  :)

....Kill Lando? maybe as an extra but come on... there better be a Purist version of this :( As for the PT I don't care because they don't need the FX work. Adywan's PT edits can be pure fan edits IMO but I've always seen the Revisited OT as "Special Editions" more than true fanedits.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

 

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

He says that they will meet at the rendezvous point on Tatooine as soon as Lando has tracked down Han.

Presumably there was some planning involved and Lando getting into the Palace without Boba Fett kicking up a stink would take some negotiation (I don't think for a minute that mask would fool him).

 

yeah, I guess it would work then. But, how does Luke know when the leave Dagobah. He justs seems to leave when Yoda dies. Isn't that rather convenient timing?

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

ChainsawAsh said:

I thought everything about his ROTS appearance - makeup, eyes, clothing, voice, acting in general - was FAR inferior to his ROTJ appearance.  I almost walked out of the theater on "No!  No!  YOU will DIE!" and the subsequent Emperor/Anakin scene.

I don't know. I feel like he spit out some of his lines too fast and without much inflection in ROTJ and it kind of made him seem like just a shriveled up old guy as opposed to pure evil/the devil incarnate which is how I have always seen Palpatine. I hate the lightnng scene to but I think it's important that he snaps from being a kindly old senator to some sort of demonic being. The eyes looked better because they had a truly evil glow to them. Palpatine ROTJ just looks like he hasn't been keeping up on his sleep lately. "No, no, no" was  not what I was thinking, I agree with you on that line.

You have great ideas. It just seems strange to me that everyone is up in arms over midichlorians which are only mentioned once or twice yet are perfectly okay with Jedi being cloned.

It seems someone has uploaded revisited to youtube in it's entirety. They could have at least got the aspect ratio right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSATV2vnhAQ&feature=related

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Here's an idea. artificially slow down all of the emperor's lines and add the deep vocal effect from ROTS. The emperor sounds so stupid in ROTJ IMO. Make his eyes more like ROTS too.

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.

ben_danger said:

i know ill get egged for this, but ill love to see stormtroopers with clone trooper markings...

 

if only there was someone with exceptional photoshop skills around here......;)

like this:

http://bsmbow.blogspot.com/2007/04/star-wars-dvd-april-fool.html

ChainsawAsh said:

Changes I'd make to Ady's "Revisited" (not counting the "Purist" edition, which I know contains some of the changes I'd like to make, but removes some of the changes I liked about ANH:R):

1. Remove the torture droid's mini-lightsaber-needle-thingie.  If there's one change to be made to ANH:R, that's it.

2. Return Obi-Wan's death to normal speed, with the original music (I'm indifferent on the duel music - it's a little out of place, but not too bad).

3. Remove the music in the Death Star "briefing" room.  The only bit of truly unnecessary added music.

That's it.  Otherwise, it's THE perfect version of ANH.

 

Oh, almost forgot, one more change:

Re-do the whole thing at 4K (or even 6K) resolution and print it back to 35mm film for theatrical distribution.

Yeah, I actually liked all of those things. The music in the briefing makes that scene so much better IMO. 

ChainsawAsh said:

Blackhawk, we are DEFINITELY on the same page.  That just sounds amazing - God, if only the real prequels had been like this ...

And that outline makes me warm up quite a bit more to the whole "Sith" thing.

I'd comment more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed by that outline, and I need to get some real-life stuff taken care of at the moment.  But wow, fantastic job there.

TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today.  I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them.  Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end.  But there are some good ideas in there, as well.

I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.

I don't know about the color correction. I kind of like the warm yellowish look. I guess that's just me. 

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

I'd like to see a scene after the rebels victory but before the throne room awards that shows Vader returning to coruscant and handing Obi-Wan's saber to the Emperor saying "Order 66 is complete my master" or something along those lines. Or even saying "I have failed" in regards to the Death Star and then the emperor shocks Vader. wishful thinking I know. Glimpses of Coruscant throughout the OT would be nice because it's pretty much the focal point in the Pt and yet is never seen in the OT.

Like a serious version of the now immortal Robot Chicken skit?

 

yeah pretty much