ben_danger said:i know ill get egged for this, but ill love to see stormtroopers with clone trooper markings...
if only there was someone with exceptional photoshop skills around here......;)
like this:
http://bsmbow.blogspot.com/2007/04/star-wars-dvd-april-fool.html
ChainsawAsh said:Changes I'd make to Ady's "Revisited" (not counting the "Purist" edition, which I know contains some of the changes I'd like to make, but removes some of the changes I liked about ANH:R):
1. Remove the torture droid's mini-lightsaber-needle-thingie. If there's one change to be made to ANH:R, that's it.
2. Return Obi-Wan's death to normal speed, with the original music (I'm indifferent on the duel music - it's a little out of place, but not too bad).
3. Remove the music in the Death Star "briefing" room. The only bit of truly unnecessary added music.
That's it. Otherwise, it's THE perfect version of ANH.
Oh, almost forgot, one more change:
Re-do the whole thing at 4K (or even 6K) resolution and print it back to 35mm film for theatrical distribution.
Yeah, I actually liked all of those things. The music in the briefing makes that scene so much better IMO.
ChainsawAsh said:Blackhawk, we are DEFINITELY on the same page. That just sounds amazing - God, if only the real prequels had been like this ...
And that outline makes me warm up quite a bit more to the whole "Sith" thing.
I'd comment more, but I'm still a bit overwhelmed by that outline, and I need to get some real-life stuff taken care of at the moment. But wow, fantastic job there.
TheBoot, you have some good ideas, but it feels simultaneously too similar to ideas already presented to the point where it's really not much new, and too similar to the prequels as they exist today. I know that seems contradictory, but that's the feeling I got when I read them. Also, it's far too clear that Anakin is Vader at the end. But there are some good ideas in there, as well.
I still really hate the OT of preserving the OT secrets in the prequels. I thought the whole point of the prequels were to show everything the characters talked about in the OT. Anakin's fall, the Empire's rise, The destruction of the Jedi, The Clone Wars, Palpatine's rise to power, Luke and Leia's birth and separation ect. I don't like the idea of never seeing Anakin's gradual fall to the dark side. Sorry guys, I'm just not seeing it. The prequels failing was all in writing, acting, direction in characterization, not in story or concepts.
I don't know about the color correction. I kind of like the warm yellowish look. I guess that's just me.
Bingowings said:Octorox said:I'd like to see a scene after the rebels victory but before the throne room awards that shows Vader returning to coruscant and handing Obi-Wan's saber to the Emperor saying "Order 66 is complete my master" or something along those lines. Or even saying "I have failed" in regards to the Death Star and then the emperor shocks Vader. wishful thinking I know. Glimpses of Coruscant throughout the OT would be nice because it's pretty much the focal point in the Pt and yet is never seen in the OT.
Like a serious version of the now immortal Robot Chicken skit?
yeah pretty much
I'd like to see a scene after the rebels victory but before the throne room awards that shows Vader returning to coruscant and handing Obi-Wan's saber to the Emperor saying "Order 66 is complete my master" or something along those lines. Or even saying "I have failed" in regards to the Death Star and then the emperor shocks Vader. wishful thinking I know. Glimpses of Coruscant throughout the OT would be nice because it's pretty much the focal point in the Pt and yet is never seen in the OT.
OzoneSherrif said:I don't believe the holograms should be changed. I don't think the Leia hologram was changed in ANH Revisited. And actually I hope Adywan will OT'ize the prequel holograms. downgrade them you know
The Leia hologram wasn't that bad. Those...just dont look right
Hi, I have captured some VHS tapes on to my computer that were previously transferred from old 8mm films. I don't have the original films. As you might surmise, the quality is quite crappy. It has all the defects of VHS and all the defects of 88m film on top of each other. Here is a sample screenshot:
I was wondering if anyone with a little avisynth knowledge could point me in the right direction as far as making this look a bit better. If there's anything I can do, let me know.
lol. So much better than the GOUT.
Nice. Looks good
ChainsawAsh said:TheBoost said:This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.
Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.
-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.
-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)
-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.
-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.
-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.
No offense, but a movie like you described would be so full of completely unredeeming characters that I don't think anybody would find any kind of enjoyment in it.
Plus I'm still in the camp that OT secrets need to be kept, and that the Jedi should be only well-known enough for some people to think that it's a crazy cult (precedent: "Your sad devotion to that ancient religion ... " "... I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful 'force' that controls everything"), some people to not even know they exist, and some, obviously, to believe in them.
However, I like your Anakin not having a wife/knocking up Bail's wife idea.
The Jedi should be well known and respected at the beginning of the PT and by ANH they are considered an ancient religion. We need to see the Jedi in their Prime. When they are protectors of peace throughout the galaxy. Jedi that justify Jabba and Bib Fortuna's trepidation and fear when the word "Jedi" in ROTJ.
Here's a novel idea. Color Correct using the OT as a reference. That way you know your not going overboard.
These images share a lot in common, but the AOTC image looks woefully oversaturated and blue"
With a little color correction magic, they match!
(Obviously someone with a little more CC skills could desaturate Boba's shirt more, while leaving the skin tones and Jedi robes colors intact, but that's beyond my capacity)
JasonN said:And here's the finished "Obi-wan/Anakin VS Count Duku, round 2" from EP3, where I've completely rotoscoped Duku's lightsaber from "Sith"-red to purple (since he's still a Jedi and is not a Sith in these edits):
I would have preferred green but whateva
TheBoost said:This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.
Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.
-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.
-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)
-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.
-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.
-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.
Like all your ideas except the last one
TMBTM said:A mix between the 2 technics seams a good choice. The hardest in 3D is to make realistic human characters and to animate them properly, that is why they go for the very design look for the 3D Clone Wars series.
I guess I could say: landscapes and interiors in 3D and photoshop matte painting, and characters in 2D (exept some creatures that can be made in 3D then transform with a 2D treatment).
I really liked the style of the Genndy Clone Wars. Perhaps we could try to emulate that?
Josh said:Good to hear from you Tropperman.
I really hope that the moonlight scene is kept, as changing it back would change YOUR MOVIE! Maybe we could get someone to see if they could takcle it with the skills, and there are proposals as we can see ;]
The only thing I can see reverting back to original, is the dusk funeral scene, (correct me if I'm wrong) But Paul and you are the gods so....I'm the eger pesent.
Now how bout a*CLIP CLIP*-......who said that?
damn your a fanboy.....
( I mean that in the least offensive way possible)
mrbenja0618 said:2d? Seriously? Does anyone know how to do that? I would actually think that would be harder. Perhaps I'm wrong.
flash? 2D is a lot easier.
Hey, can someone PM a link to an active torrent of ADM's version of ROTS? Can't find any. Thanks.
All right. Here are some of my early color correction shots. Keep in mind that this is from actual video, not stills.
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EDIT: I've noticed that ROTS doesn't have the same color issues as AOTC as far as looking too "cool" or "digital". I've actually been using ROTS as a reference in color corrected some locations such as the Jedi council chamber. And as for Vaderios, EVERYTHING doesn't have to be gray. Padme's bedroom shouldn't look like the Death Star interior.
so...how about more grounds troops in Hoth? The battle ought to be more like Geonosis or Kashykk with the opposing sides just pounding each other with a ridiculous amount of laser fire. I honestly see nothing wrong with the space slug.
vaderios said:Here some tests from me :)
-Angel
Edit: :)
The last looks far too Brown. The skin tones are the same as the background. I'm actually working on some color correction of AOTC right now. I'll put some results when I get a bit farther along
ADigitalMan said:I inserted some deleted scenes, yes, but I also took out a ton of garbage when it comes to the prequels. And with Ep III, I did extensive audio work just to get those Battle Droids to stop sounding like sissies. I did a separate round of extended editions for the prequels, but the "ADM Edits" are very much fan edits designed to remove a lot of junk and put in things that never should have been removed. In my own opinion, of course. ;-)
could someone PM me torrent links of these? Perhaps a better seeded torrent of the Slumberland edits too? Thank would be much appreciated as Revisited and the two Phantom edits have gotten me more or less addicted to fan edits.
Bingowings said:JasonN said:colubra09 said:The problem is, no matter how good the ideas, unless fan editors start to raid movie studios for all those deleted scenes there won't be enough material to reshape a story, and then it takes a pro like Adywan to make it into something to rival the official director's cut.
Even if there are numerous deleted scenes, that doesn't mean there will be enough footage to tell a better story or that those scenes are an improvement to the story - it all depends on the decisions of the filmmakers/studio and what they choose to film/edit/CG/etc in the first place. I also don't understand why you'd bring up an edit/s needing to be as good as an "official director's cut" since being a DC is no indication that the film will be better (hell, you could argue that Lucas's 2004 DVD release of SW was his "director's cut"...)
The reason we are here is because sometimes a director, editor or studio exec can be so on top of a project they can't see the forest for the trees (or the planks in the case of some actor performances).
The Phantom Editor showed that even without access to the cutting room floor it is possible to improve a scene by cutting even more (look at his take on Anakin's Force test scene) and some of the deleted material that is available does arguably work better than some of the material that wasn't deleted (a prime example being the Mace/Obi Wan conversation scene which was deleted from AOTC vs the Mace/Obi-Wan/floating Yoda scene that wasn't).
So even without Adywan's Adobe skills it is possible to work wonders with what is already to hand.
If you watch Slumberland's take on the Gungan scenes in TPM, Jar-Jar is still Jar-Jar, Boss Nass is still Boss Nass (no re-dubs or subtitles) but they work as designed much better (I wrote this elsewhere on here Jar-Jar actually made me laugh for the first time in a decade thanks to having the majority of his silly scenes removed, it improved the slap-schtick timing).
The only thing I dislike about that Mace/Obi-Wan scene is that the effects are either temp or are put together hastily for the DVD release. You can see softening around the edges of the characters which is a quick way to key things without showing matte lines. The background CG is also paltry. It would be great if someone like Ady could restore that scene and make it fit in better with the rest of the film.
C3PX said:Octorox said:I have to disagree. Jackson was going for more surreal fantasy "monster" type Dinosaur's while Spielberg was going for realism. They don't look like cartoon characters at all IMO.
I dunno man. Sounds like a lousy excuse for some poorly rendered and lazily done dinosaurs to me. Can't be a surreal fantasy and still have decent looking CG? The realism of JP makes it a much more "surreal" viewing experience in my opinion. The monkey looked real enough. It is just the other creatures that looked poorly done, obviously a lot more time would be spent on Kong's model, but those dinos looked pretty lame for such a big budget movie.
Wow, that new ST trailer, if you cut out McCoy's line, and removed the words Star Trek from the end, you could watch the thing and think you were watching the trailer for some generic action sci-fi flick.
Idk. I thought all the monster FX looked great in that film. Maybe I need to give it another look. I never thought the dinosaurs were poorly rendered, just maybe a bit "larger than life".
Erikstormtrooper said:Blackhawk, your ideas for CW II are great. But I'm left wondering why the mandalorians are randomly planting clones in the populace. What is the point of that?
I'm not sure all that much attention should be paid to Palpatine, or politics for that matter. As a child, I never really wondered about the Emperor's backstory. And I'd be perfectly happy if we never see the inside of the senate. To be a good story, this needs to focus on characters, not a series of events. I'm not referring to anyone in particular here, I just don't want us to get so engrossed with plot points that we forget about the characters.
Astromech:By the time Vader is in the life supporting armour, his ability to control the Force is already diminished to the point that all he can is Force choke and move objects. To the Emperor, he is already largely useless...
I'm not sure that there should be many force powers beyond what we see in the OT. In that sense, most of the light side powers seem to be mental or "attitudinal", whereas the dark side powers are physical. BTW, I see no need for PT Force powers like "Force speed" or "Force flip" by either side. Question: when Vader blocks Han's blasts with his hand in ESB, is that a Force power?
For me, writing out my ideas has really helped me make sense of them. I recommend the same to anyone who thinks they may have an interesting take on things.
Again, I have to question the desire to keep the OT's secrets. People already know them. There's no unscrewing the pooch. I say we use these things (if they are relevant to the story).
Doesn't Luke Force flip in ESB?