Octorox

adywan said:

Sorry i haven't been around guys but i decided to crack on with ESB:R. I've got quite a bit done but with some of the things i want to do i'm hitting a major obstacle: equipment. Namely a decent HD camcorder. There are shots that i just cannot accomplish without filming new elements. The asteroid sequence where the TIEs collide, the inside view of the slugs mouth to name but 2. i have tried filming some new elements with a SD camcorder (tried a few  different one thanks to a few mates) but the quality is shocking and doesn't fit in with the existing footage in any way.

And here is the main reason:

I was hoping to keep this a secret and unleash the news once ESB:R is finished but now you'll see why i need a HD camcorder to get this baby done....... ESB:R will be in 720p AVCHD alongside the standard DVD versions. There was no possible way that i could do it in 1080p but 720p is viable and everything i have done so far has actually been in 720p.

I've been checking out some HD camcorders and most seem to be 1080i (most being 1440 x 1080i) but i have found some that are actually a bit cheaper that are full 1920 x 1080p. i can manage to scrape up about half the cost but i'm still about £200 short so i'm going to have to open up the donations once again. I really do need your help here guys. the cost of the materials for the models and new set pieces is costing me a fortune, but i ahve that covered. all i need is to get a decent camcorder to get the elements on film. It is also going to be invaluable when i get to the rest of the Revisited saga for new model shots etc. any help will be greatly appreciated. My paypal email address is in my sig.

now onto what i have been working on.

i really like the slug idea of having the teeth hidden and start to protrude as the mouth begins to close. this would require a new model shot to accomplish this but the original inside model had no tongue and it looked so fake. this way i can make it look more like a cave. the teeth will remain the same and so will the slug puppet. i have always liked the design of the slug and really don't want to change this. i have just completed the escape sequence apart from the inside shots which need changing. i have slowed the slug down slightly and, to me, it looks more realistic now. so here's is a very short clip of the new sequence.

NEW SLUG SEQUENCE

 

Now i have hell of a lot of reading to do to catch up so i'll try to reply to all these as soon as i can

I have a Canon HV30 (1080p), it even has a 24p mode. What do you need shot?

OzoneSherrif said:

Monroville said:

Granted, the idea of the sphere on Tarkin's desk projecting a hologram I think is a good idea (again, to give it purpose) and would make sense that the officer sent to investigate would contact Tarkin from Dantooine.

 

 

Yeah nowadays that scene would be a Stormtrooper communicating directly to Tarkin by hologram. Holograms all over the place in the prequels. Even the Clonetroopers have special hand held hologram communications. it's ridiculous...

It's not ridiculous...If you have the technology it should be used to the fullest. That's like walking up to someone's house that lives 1/4 mile away when you could just text them or call them.

ben_danger said:

id like to see the battle ships firing side to side like in ROTS. even if they just line up to each other and we see an intense barage of lasers shooting left to right. we wouldnt have to see people on the inside loading cannons or anything.

ditto. And I like the two death stars idea. Except wouldn't Luke know he's on a death star? If so then what's the point.

AxiaEuxine said:

The idea of a secret love between Padme and Obi-wan has got to be one of the WORST ideas floated on these boards in a long time. The fact that they didnt do it, an obvious plot development is just another thing that the prequels did right.

 

That trailer was well edited but NO!

I wasn't suggesting a real love. I was suggesting that Palps twists Anakin's mind to make him believe there is. It would explain "You're with him" "You will not take her from me" and other lines when Anakin was not partiularly mad at Padme or Obi throughout the whole rest of the movie.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3roDTVzfgrA

 

wow

 

I'd really like to know where they got that shot of Obi and Padme. I'd love to use it in an altered Anakin dream sequence

I suspected that this sort of thing would turn up in the prequels it was a bit of a surprise that it had not (not necessarily an actual romance between Padme and Obi-Wan but more Anakin becoming so paranoid about losing her that he would leap to that conclusion).

 

well perhaps we could put it in Anakin's dream and return the scene where Palp plants seeds of mistrust in Padme. Then Palp would be even more like an Iago character.

Bingowings said:

gavin77 said:

Still no Adywan......hope that brother is ok.......

He is prolly busy having a life and working on this Star Wars thing he's been dabbling with in his spare time, I hope he is ok too but then I hope we all are all the time.

 

It's interesting because his profile says he was online just a few minutes ago...

Qui-Gon, Luke, and Dooku would be interesting as well because it would someone validate the connection between Dooku and Qui-Gon

darthmunky said:

On the lightsaber issue. I too think that all of the lightsabers in the PT should be blue. BUT, there could be a couple exceptions such as Yoda having a green one or Mace having a purple or green one too. Thus, only the most powerful of Jedi had green lightsabers. (3 in existance)

I thought it would be cool if Dooku had the only Green lightsaber other than Luke because he "stepped out" of the normal doctrine of the Jedi (but he would not use lghtning or anything and we would not know he was a Sith until later on) then when Luke builds one the audience becomes uneasy about his future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3roDTVzfgrA

wow

I'd really like to know where they got that shot of Obi and Padme. I'd love to use it in an altered Anakin dream sequence

I don't know why seeing Victory class Star Destroyers would really have as much of an impact on the audience as seeing the Death Star. The Venator class that we already see in ROTS isn't much smaller. I think impact on the audience is more important than sense. I wouldn't mind seeing both Death Stars being built though.

TLSO said:

I just had a thought recently, not to edit the films themselves but to bookend them with some short clips. Basically, like how a story arc on a TV show might have a cold opening recaping major events from the previous installment, and a post-credits scene would show clips from the next story. I liked the idea to simultaneously connect the movies while allowing them to be easily understood by newbs when viewed separately.

Phantom and Hope would have to give away the least details in the beginning - I think Phantom would just be a collection of clips from all 6 movies, maybe with Obi-Wan's speech about the Jedi Knights being the guardians of the Republic. Meanwhile Hope could maybe show a few clips from Sith, like Order 66 or Vader on the operating table without giving too much away (so you can watch from 1-6 or 4-6, 1-3).

So that's the idea.

cool idea

Bingowings said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Have a question.... Would everyone prefer me to do the Animated (A.K.A. storybook edition) to all six movies and not the Redemption trilogy I'm working on?

 Going by the few images I can see I personally prefer yours (taste being subjective other people may prefer this version) but there is room for more than one take on the same great idea.

Well I was going for more of a "hand drawn" look while his looks more painted.

would this interest anyone? Possibly edited into short episodes or something? Just a thought.

doubleofive said:

Octorox said:

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

 

Thank goodness.  Thought we were going to have to kick you out! ;-)

I just feel that the way Ian delivers some of his lines in Jedi he talks to fast. In most of the scenes he's Luke he's fine but in earlier scenes he doesn't have the slowness that I would usually associate with the emperor's voice. Lines like "I feel that you wish to continue your search for Young Skywalker" just don't sound right to me. Compare that to the end of ROTS or the SE holo convo and you'll see what I mean.

And P.S. I actually do think the emperor's "voices" in ROTS are cool but just as part of his transformation.

Just to clarify I didn't mean the super duper doubled voice just after transformation but once it's "settled" like towards the end of the movie when he's talking to Vader.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Octorox said:

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Well, just be aware that Adywan will be changing *some* things...for example: the ending will be different...he's said before that he's going to *attempt* to kill Lando in the falcon. And of course, he's also said that the PT will be getting a complete make over...

I know my version is pretty out there...*I* don't want all of the changes I've done in Adywan's edit.  :)

....Kill Lando? maybe as an extra but come on... there better be a Purist version of this :( As for the PT I don't care because they don't need the FX work. Adywan's PT edits can be pure fan edits IMO but I've always seen the Revisited OT as "Special Editions" more than true fanedits.

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

 

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

He says that they will meet at the rendezvous point on Tatooine as soon as Lando has tracked down Han.

Presumably there was some planning involved and Lando getting into the Palace without Boba Fett kicking up a stink would take some negotiation (I don't think for a minute that mask would fool him).

 

yeah, I guess it would work then. But, how does Luke know when the leave Dagobah. He justs seems to leave when Yoda dies. Isn't that rather convenient timing?

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

But doesn't Luke say at the end of ESB that he is going to Jabbas palace pretty much right away?

ChainsawAsh said:

I thought everything about his ROTS appearance - makeup, eyes, clothing, voice, acting in general - was FAR inferior to his ROTJ appearance.  I almost walked out of the theater on "No!  No!  YOU will DIE!" and the subsequent Emperor/Anakin scene.

I don't know. I feel like he spit out some of his lines too fast and without much inflection in ROTJ and it kind of made him seem like just a shriveled up old guy as opposed to pure evil/the devil incarnate which is how I have always seen Palpatine. I hate the lightnng scene to but I think it's important that he snaps from being a kindly old senator to some sort of demonic being. The eyes looked better because they had a truly evil glow to them. Palpatine ROTJ just looks like he hasn't been keeping up on his sleep lately. "No, no, no" was  not what I was thinking, I agree with you on that line.

You have great ideas. It just seems strange to me that everyone is up in arms over midichlorians which are only mentioned once or twice yet are perfectly okay with Jedi being cloned.

It seems someone has uploaded revisited to youtube in it's entirety. They could have at least got the aspect ratio right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSATV2vnhAQ&feature=related

ChainsawAsh said:

Octorox said:

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

The idea for that edit is to make it seem like Luke spent more than a week becoming a Jedi.  This way, he has spent an indeterminate amount of time on Dagobah - we assume after ESB he returned there to finish training, then he finishes, Yoda dies, and he leaves.

(The Fan-O-Matic thread is even more radical, changing Ben's scene to take place on Tatooine, though I think that's technically infeasible given the footage available)

And honestly, even if I didn't do all that, I would rewrite the crawl anyway.  The only reason is that it's boring.  Look at ANH:  "It is a period of civil war."  ESB:  "It is a dark time for the Rebellion."  ROTJ:  "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt."  Wow.  Talk about boring, and a mouthful to boot.

Yeah. I still feel that the scope of some of these edits is beyond an OT revisited projects. The revisited projects have generally been about fixing and adding, not moving around and taking away. I guess if Ady did a Purist DVD9 for this edit I wouldn't mind the radical changes however I couldn't consider it the "definitive edition of ROTJ" like I do with ANH because if you change too much it ceases to become ROTJ anymore. small tweaks along the way like the ADM prequel edits I wouldn't mind but I wouldn't want to see the movie completely gutted and rearranged. I'd prefer another editor tackle that or even Ady on a separate project.

Here's an idea. artificially slow down all of the emperor's lines and add the deep vocal effect from ROTS. The emperor sounds so stupid in ROTJ IMO. Make his eyes more like ROTS too.

I don't know about showing Luke on Dagobah before we see his entrance on Tatooine. The way the new and improved Jedi Luke is presented is pretty effective.

TMBTM said:

If its the enemy I guess I can understand it, like a mystical powers arm race.

Maybe, we can find a plot AROUND cloning without ANY stormtroopers clones at all.

You know, the bad guy finds a way to clone people and he begin to clone some high members of the Republic to take control, step by step. The Jedi begin to suspect something. Everyone's getting paranoid. And that is the Clone War, a kind of cold war...

You guys need to remember that Star Wars is NOT SCI-FI. It's a fantasy/western/adventure story set in space. Cloning should NOT play a large part in the plot or your heading into sci-fi territory. Using cloning to amass an army steers clear of sci-fi because it doesn't really affect the plot that their clones. However, replacing important characters with clones seems like a no no to me because it's a very sci-fi concept. Futuristic space tech is just an element of setting in Star Wars, not of plot.