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raphdude said:

Interesting poll! I’m sorry I missed out on it. Just curious, are you considering an option of undoing some of the female first order trooper voices/screams and making them male? I have a feeling Kathleen Kennedy sat there in the editing room and said, “Make that one a whammen, whammen, whammen here, put a whammen there, whammen soldier, whammen soldier, wabbit season, wabbit season!” Whoops!

Please no

I’m not sure if the shot from the TFA teaser will be useful without FX work. Kylo’s outfit in the teaser is pretty different, including the fact that he’s wearing a hood.

At this point I’m just not for any solution that decouples the Vader helmet touching scene from Kylo forging his new helmet. I might be swayed if someone does a really great test clip though.

This is a really cool project. I haven’t seen a fanedit of this movie that’s really appealed to me but I would definitely be onboard with a version that’s just the original cut except I can actually see it.

jarbear said:

DominicCobb said:

I’m curious to see what people might come up with putting the helmet scene at the start. The fact that he knows Palps is behind Vader’s voice is definitely an important question. In my edit I tried to solve this by having Kylo hear Palps’s voice when he touches the helmet, so basically it’s like Kylo was checking to see if what he said was true.

Here is a SUPER rough implantation of the helmet scene moving up I put in Hal’s thread:

The mirroring of the Vader Castle does make it seem like its a new shot (along with the removal of Krennic’s ship)

What can also help sell that too is if you don’t use the “whole” clip.

Here is a quick and dirty rough idea if moving the Vader helmet scene towards the beginning. As for the middle of it, I didn’t do anything to it since I wanted to show just the “kylo” footage with Vader’s helmet. Obviously the idea would be to alter all that flashback/imagery/sounds/etc. to fit more on the lines of “Vader” guiding Kylo.

Just super rough idea playing with a bit this afternoon:

https://vimeo.com/418658350
fanedit

As for what you did, I like the concept a whole lot. It is a MUCH better implantation than what the movie did with it. I admit, it still makes you wonder why use the helmet if Kylo already knows Palps is behind it … not his grandfather.

Interesting. I have to say though, for me personally, “why is Kylo reforging his mask for seemingly no reason?” was a bigger wtf moment in the theater than “why is he touching Vader’s helmet after knowing that it’s really Palpatine’s voice speaking to him?”. I wish we could add the mask to Kylo during the Mustafar sequence and have the reforging take place in between, but I think that would be pretty difficult.

I really like the way DominicCobb moved that sequence to just before Kylo reforges his helmet along with the new vision sequence he created. I wonder if there would be anyway to retain the benefits of his approach while also fixing the apparent continuity issue of him consulting the helmet after he realizes Palpatine is behind Vader “speaking to him”.

Ed Slushie said:

I just had an idea for a somewhat-major change that could be made to the ending.

One thing that bugs me about this movie’s finale is that the two battles happening (the one in the sky, and the one with Palpatine) don’t really line up in terms of tension. When Palpatine drains Ben and Rey, it seems like our heroes are at their lowest point, and this is reinforced by the cut back to Poe seeing his friend Wexley die. Then Lando & co. arrive, and the music switches to the main Star Wars theme, to indicate that we’re back on the light side of things, but then we cut back to Palpatine, who “kills” Ben and electrocutes the entire fleet, leaving Rey, seemingly alone, to hear the voices of Jedi past and gain the strength to face Palpatine.

Basically, the movie tries to give us two cathartic, portals-esque moments, the first of which is kind of invalidated by the second. The way I see it, the night should be darkest just before the dawn.
So what if the not-navy arrived AFTER Palpatine started zapping?

Picture this: Palpatine drains Rey and Ben. Above, Wexley dies. How can this get any worse? Palpatine “kills” Ben and starts electrocuting the rest of the rebels. Rey sees this from below and sheds a single tear. Poe delivers his line about how he “thought we had a shot,” just as the Tantive IV, the very ship that appeared in the opening shot of SW77 as a symbol of the underdog rebellion, is destroyed. So is it the end? **** no, because that’s when Rey starts hearing the voices of all the Jedi that came before her. When she stands up and ignites her lightsaber, prompting Palpatine to stop zapping, a random voice over Poe’s radio says something along the lines of “The sky is clear, now is the time!” That’s when Poe looks up to see Lando, along with thousands of resistance sympathizers, having come to the help. Things proceed as normal from there, possibly with the addition of Jonh’s ghosts.

Most of this would just require color correction, as well as one or two additional lines of dialogue. The only trouble I’m running into is that a lot of the shots of ships falling include ships that came with Lando, so I would have to either remove those shots or find a way to remove those ships in particular from them.

Whaddya think?

I like this idea, reminds me of how many edits of The Phantom Menace have restructured the third act in that film to ramp up the tension.

krausfadr said:
They sold you to him: https://streamable.com/6042d7
You wanted your parents dead: https://streamable.com/lmidv9
I killed my mother: https://streamable.com/ot407g

I think the sentence mixing could use some refining, but this does a good job of showing the idea is somewhat feasible to implement. nice work.

DonKamillo said:

• JJ’s LBGTQ pandering

Can we not do this here?

Other than that, I’d be very interested to see how you accomplish some of the bold changes here and still maintain narrative and thematic coherence (well as much as this film had to begin with).Do you have any clips to share besides the trailer?

krausfadr said:

As long as no one calls back midichlorians along with vergence.

No you see, Ochi’s knife wasn’t meant to kill her. Just let a little blood so they can take a midichlorian count 😂.

I wonder if there’d be any way for Kylo to tell Rey that Palpatine sensed “a vergence” in the Force surrounding her. This could be a cool callback to Ep 1, since the last “vergence” ended up being the guy that killed him the first time.

When Yoda says “War” it sounds a bit overtly sentence-mixy. Not sure if there’s another take you could use.

I think the JAT line “Face up to what you’ve done” sticks out. Maybe you could pitch it down a bit or something?

skenera said:

Another “Just Rey”

Nice! I think Poppasketti’s last version sounded a bit better, but it’s always nice to have alternative options.

DominicCobb said:

Now that I think of it it would be nice if we could figure out some solution(s) to Mustafar. I do have a couple ideas in mind.

I’ve seen some other people post tests were they added more establishing shots culled from other sources. I think that’s probably your best bet. There is a canon reason why Mustafar looks the way it does in this movie but for someone only tuned into the films it’s a bit confusing.

Thanks! I’m waiting on a new crawl and credits additions from InitAbsolute and then I should be able to release V2. Would appreciate feedback on the changes!

idir_hh said:

Tammer5 said:

So I am going to write this down one more time… It got over looked probably because I rarely offer any suggestions, but I thought this idea of mine was pretty solid regarding moving the chess scene.

The idea of moving the chess scene is awesome and its wonderfully executed! I do have an idea… I think it would be great if there is a way to add a clip with R2 and 3PO watching the game. They are the only constant in the saga so they should be there in the end with their friends. Below is a scene from AOTC where 3PO tells R2, “for a mechanic you do a excessive amount of thinking.” There is enough dialog from 3PO to make him say, “For a Wookie you do a excessive amount of thinking.” Then you can do a cut to R2 doing a silly chirping noise like the link below. In that way they’re all together and all four of them are giving Chewie a hard time. Just like a bunch of siblings.

My thoughts are you see Chewie thinking then it cuts to 3PO and he says his line, then cut to R2 making a silly chirp noise basically agreeing with 3PO, then we cut to Poe and Fin, then the finally scene with Rey and BB-8 Thoughts?

C3PO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Tl5FGBbB8&list=PLlrQRD4Rfv_CVrEGTWM3r9EZa3jYUXs0N&index=2

R2D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBzQQkcZZOE&list=PLs_YojqvcFd-98ggemDm1ktsVGcjxdDBW&index=9

I saw your post and I though it was neat idea, anything that adds more closure to the ending is welcome in my book! Just needs someone with the chops to implement it.

I like this idea. I think the trick would be to get footage of R2 and 3PO that works for the scene. I have a feeling that footage from A New Hope wouldn’t blend very well.

I don’t have a problem with the “All the Jedi” line, but I would have preferred if she said “And I’m no one”. The other alternatives don’t really do anything for me.

I’m split on the Jango Clone thing. After seeing all how they were used and abused in Clone Wars I kind of don’t want to put them through any more suffering lol

Please don’t touch D-O or Babu Frik. They are my children.

I kind of like D0’s current speech patterns. I interpret as him having a number of canned sentences he can say, kind of like when you’re talking to a bot on the phone.

EddieDean said:

Yeah, Octo, I tried to stay within I guess ‘feasible+’. Hux being a good example, maybe we go as far as masking him into a few scenes, to preserve him that much longer before Pryde kills him? Seems like a lot of effort for only a little reward, but I figured that’s about the realm of possibility.

Yeah, I get that. I just think it’s an example of something that while it can technically be done with a lot of work, it won’t really feel natural without additional footage. Same with adding more Rose.

I filled this out, and based my answers both on what I’d like to see and what I think is achievable given the footage we have. For example, I don’t like how they handled Hux but I’m not sure what else we can do with it given what we have to work with.

Hal 9000 said:

Good revision. I feel the need to try to modify the clause about the rising tide of dissidence, maybe an analogy that doesn’t seem at odds with that of a spark. Not sure about ‘fabled’ either. I guess it’s time to bust out a thesaurus and get into the weeds.

To quell the flames of dissent? lol.

DominicCobb said:

While I don’t disagree with your take on “Just Rey,” I don’t agree with how you feel about “Rey Skywalker.” The beginning of the film isn’t just her being ashamed of who she is, she’s thinking she’s inadequate. She doesn’t deserve the saber. To me, her taking the Skywalker name is her saying “I am good enough to be a Skywalker, I’m not just Rey, I’m more than that.” It’s a similar sort of growth I think.

That’s fair. I think it’s what the movie was going for but it didn’t land for me. I definitely felt something was off in the theater but my thoughts on this weren’t really crystallized until I watched this Just Write video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD5mLw0A8vI&t=7m25s
The whole thing is great but I just linked to the part I feel is relevant here.

RogueLeader said:

What a great idea! Now only if Rose could be there. 😭

Unfortunately, without deleted scenes, it’s pretty much impossible to fix the fact that Rose gets royally shafted in this film 😦.