Octorox

JKMaxx said:

I agree with pretty much everything Octorox suggested, as well.

Several pages back someone suggested reordering it so that Rey’s training scene happens right after the “who is she?” with Palpatine, then the Falcon scene happens after Billie Lourd tells Leia the Falcon still isn’t back, then back to Ajan Kloss after breaking through the ice wall and proceeding as normal.

I really like that idea as well, since it gives us a path to follow through the characters’ dialogue, and helps to ease the pacing a bit more. Is that something you’d be willing to consider?

I like that in theory. I think Dominic was trying that approach?

DZ-330 said:

If we remove Leia knowing than it would likely be best to also remove her line to Rey of “Rey, never be afraid of who you are.”

Disagree, I think it still works in a general sense. She doesn’t have to literally mean “because you’re a Palpatine.”

Hal, I get what you’re saying about having Leia say “come home”, but as it stands it still just feels like it’s not super clear what she’s actually doing? It almost feels like she’s distracting him so Rey can get her swipe in. At least having her say “come home” would somewhat clear up her intentions and dovetail nicely with Han’s statements e.g. “she’s gone, but what she fought for isn’t” etc. (Also, if we see his ghost in the end, he has “come home” to her)

Some other notes from watching the workprint:

• I definitely think Klaud has to go, because he feels like a random presence without his introduction

• The transition from the Falcon jumping into hyperspace to Rey meditating feels pretty fast. I wonder if it would be possible to add an establishing shot of the jungle? This movie lacks establishing shots in general

• I think the lightspeed skipping mentions have to be cut around. I can’t watch that sequence without wondering what they’re talking about.

• The continuity error of Rey having the saber on her belt bugs me every time I see it now

• C3PO’s “in the event that I do not return, I want you to know that you are my best friend” feels like really clumsy foreshadowing. I wonder if you could just cut the “In the event I do not return” out?

• I’m okay with you keeping the thing Finn wanted to tell Rey but I wish we could do something to make his Force sensitivity more obvious. Maybe add a quick flash of Kylo in his TIE when he senses his presence? Add cross dissolves when he senses Rey’s death?

• I think you should consider using some of the Knights of Ren dialogue that was created in another thread. Anything to give them more of a presence/personality would be appreciated.

• There’s a scene of Ren force-skyping with the emperor that feels super brief and abrupt. This is right before the gang discuss their next steps on Ochi’s ship. Not sure if there is some way to extend, move or even cut the scene to improve pacing.

• I can’t wait for the Rey nobody version.

In the scene where Leia reaches out to Ben, have you considered extending her lines to “Ben, come home” like Dominic is doing? I think there are a couple other clips Dominic posted that use shots from trailers like the extended TIE confrontation. I’d like to see some of those implemented here.

Just downloaded the workprint. Will try to check it out soon.

EvantheKidDS said:

I came across a Twitter Post, from March 13th, 2011…

“The 720p version of @Adywan’s Star Wars Revisited being uploaded to newsgroups is a fan-made upscale.”

I’ve searched the newsgroups, and I couldn’t find anything relating to this. Can anyone assist?

I used to have that version. Honestly it’s not a big improvement over the DVD9. You’d probably get better results from an AI upscaling algorithm.

Yeah, I will be sending links shortly. I noticed an issue with the scrolling credits I want to address first.

idir_hh said:

I’d love it if Jonh made a version with just the skywalker ghosts standing behind Rey. Anakin, Luke and Leia.

Leia’s death would have to be moved if you were to do this. I personally prefer Jonh’s current version but it would be interesting to see.

idir_hh said:

https://youtu.be/UzeIb-TZo_I
I think the deleted scene could still be salvaged. All that needs to be worked on is the background, which could be added in from other scenes.

I would LOVE if someone could restore that scene, but I find it pretty hard to believe it can be done convincingly. There’s a lot of unfinished effects, matte lines around characters etc. It would take a lot of work.

V2 is done and available via PM! Updated the OP, including a link to the google doc with a revised cutlist. Overall I’ve taken a slightly more conservative approach with V2, but I hope none of the reversions detract from the experience. The cutlist is still quite a bit larger than Hal’s Cloak of Deception, which I’ve used as a base. I would appreciate any feedback you might have!

I mean, I know you probably don’t want to go back to it, but what about putting the unused TFA cue where it was originally supposed to be in TFA? Then you’re not reusing the burning homestead twice in this trilogy.

dgraham414 said:

The trailer music that Jonh pulled for the death of Palps honestly hits so hard for me. If my vote matter I think that music would work perfectly, the only issue is the sound effects on top of it.

Imo I wouldn’t use any non-Williams cues, or at least nothing that isn’t written and mixed in the Williams “style”

Awesome, looks great. By the way, are you going to end up using the alternative placement I sent you for either the “Plot to Destroy the Jedi” or “Confronting the Chancellor” scenes?

Bobson Dugnutt said:

I’ve found this deleted clip of Palpy’s shuttle on the approach to Coruscant from the 2nd trailer, but tried to slot it back into the film. It added a wipe as there is in the theatrical cut, but this is a lot faster, not sure if its too fast though, so I made one without the wipe. I think i prefer the wipe, but could it be better? (shorter, longer or delete the shot entirely?) There’s also no audio yet as I haven’t worked that out yet.

Here’s the wipe
https://vimeo.com/424944755

And the no-wipe
https://vimeo.com/425081093

The wipe is so quick I think it would be better to just forego it.

At 0:52? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8pGJBgiiDU Might need to have access to the actual movie for a longer version of the shot.

AOTC and ROTS were shot end-to-end digitally and therefore don’t have any natural grain structure on the negative. What you probably noticed in theaters is print grain.

That said, TPM has been heavily DNRd and at least AOTC has also been DNRd somewhat to remove digital noise.

For TPM, there’s Schorman’s HDTV preservation. It’s essentially an HD version of the same transfer on the DVD, meaning there are issues like oversharpening artifacts, a pink color tint and a more closely cropped picture. You essentially have to pick your poison here, and most people think the current transfer looks better, despite the DNR. We probably won’t get anything that truly replaces the official release unless someone manages to scan a film print at 4K.

For AOTC, Schorman’s HDTV preservation is quite good. It looks less DNRd to my eyes and has better colors, but it’s also lower bitrate than the official releases.

For ROTS, you’re not going to find anything that looks better than the official 4K release, but Schorman’s release might have more accurate colors.

Hope that helps.

Nice! Glad you’re still working on this.

Chase Adams said:

I decided I wanted to put my mental C-3PO inventory to some more good use, so I spent a few minutes screwing around with the scene where 3PO gets his memory back.

THIS IS ROUGH, I haven’t done anything with pruning the audio yet, this is just raw lines used:

https://streamable.com/o5rynb

I really didn’t like the joke about R2 “putting something in his head” as well as the smash cut mid-sentence, so I changed it.

I hope Snooker gets a chance to see my “mistress Rey” line replacement since she was the one who gave me the idea!

Nice job! I like the prequel reference but I think the original joke then smash cut worked better.

Movies Remastered said:

Hal 9000 said:

I haven’t read anything recent on this thread, but here’s a clip of a replaced 3PO line with some help from Chase. The audio used wasn’t clean but I think it blends into this context reasonably well.

https://vimeo.com/423368795

That’s a really nice job, mate. I wish there was a way for turning Poe from being an A$$hole in TROS. It’s like 3PO did something we don’t know about.

To be fair, everyone’s always been an asshole to 3PO. “Shut him up or shut him down!” I do think it’s a little awkward how mild this line reading is compared to Poe’s reaction though. You’d expect 3PO to be more hysterical.

Hal 9000 said:

How far we’ve come since seeing that obviously fake screenshot on Ain’t It Cool News in 2004.

What’s happened is that an entire generation of people have grown up with those DVDs and the prequels. Someone who was 8 in 2004 is 24 now!

doubleofive said:

Telion said:

Telion said:

Idk how this was done, but I gotta say it looks like the best of both worlds when it comes to the force Ghost issue. This one is obviously a bit over done, he looks like 90 rather than 45 (also wow why did they have Sebastian Shaw playing him, I know that the prequels we got were very different to how they were imagined based on what we hear and see in the OG trilogy but still, he was even older than Alec Guinness) but toned down a bit I think this would work as both Anakin being the man how died on the DSII and link back to the prequels as Shaw just doesn’t resemble him at all.
https://youtu.be/z-oL4rEjcfQ?t=12

Did either of you actually read my comment? This fixes both issues and makes for a very pleasant compromise.

Its not like Shaw even looked like himself under Vader makeup so either way you’re asking the audience to draw a connection based on context rather than what the guy looks like.

Someone who was 1 when they were filming should not be in the movie.

I mean, to be fair, Ady is adding new pilots to the movie, some of whom I’m sure were pretty young when the movie came out. I’m personally fine with Shaw though, despite the weird age difference.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s the civilian fleet! There’s still gonna be room for more submissions until I render out the final edit at some point.

https://vimeo.com/422455215

I really like it! 😄

One quibble, if you’re removing the planet-destroying capabilities of the ship, shouldn’t you try to remove the line “every one we knock out is a planet saved”?

I think DominicCobb’s use of duel of the fates is pretty seamless. I’d just copy that (maybe as an alternate track) and call it a day.

I don’t think Vader’s TIE really works. The idea that it was sitting on Death Star II and happened to survive intact along with the radar dish and the throne room stretches my suspension of disbelief. Plus, shouldn’t the redeemed Ben be moving away from his obsession with Vader iconography? I would prefer the shuttle personally.

Saw your changelist for ROTJ. Does this version still have blinking Ewoks? I noticed that wasn’t listed as one of the changes.

I personally think that if the lightspeed skipping scene is removed, the later mention of it also has to be removed somehow. You can make the argument that “lightspeed skipping” in this context just means crashing through the ice wall at light speed, but I think new viewers will just be confused by the term, and every time I watch the later scene myself I’m going to be thinking of the earlier scene that was cut.

Ultimately though, I think the lightspeed skipping thing, while it doesn’t make sense if you pick it apart, is one of the least offensive things in the movie. You can handwave it away by saying that lightspeed tracking has technologically advanced since the last movie to the point that they can fit it into TIE fighters, and all the planets they travel to could easily be in the same system. By removing it, you’re also robbing the movie of the only significant action setpiece in the first act (and arguably the only unique or visually interesting setpiece in the entire movie), which makes it feel like a bit of an exposition dump for the first 20 minutes or so. RoS as-is isn’t much more than a pretty roller coaster ride. I wouldn’t try to rob it of one of the few elements that works.

I like that line and I don’t think it contradicts anything. The ghosts showed up because Rey was able to use her power to call on them. They’re also not “alive” because well, they’re ghosts. The thousand generations still live in her.