Awesome, looks great. By the way, are you going to end up using the alternative placement I sent you for either the “Plot to Destroy the Jedi” or “Confronting the Chancellor” scenes?
I’ve found this deleted clip of Palpy’s shuttle on the approach to Coruscant from the 2nd trailer, but tried to slot it back into the film. It added a wipe as there is in the theatrical cut, but this is a lot faster, not sure if its too fast though, so I made one without the wipe. I think i prefer the wipe, but could it be better? (shorter, longer or delete the shot entirely?) There’s also no audio yet as I haven’t worked that out yet.
Here’s the wipe
https://vimeo.com/424944755And the no-wipe
https://vimeo.com/425081093
The wipe is so quick I think it would be better to just forego it.
At 0:52? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8pGJBgiiDU Might need to have access to the actual movie for a longer version of the shot.
AOTC and ROTS were shot end-to-end digitally and therefore don’t have any natural grain structure on the negative. What you probably noticed in theaters is print grain.
That said, TPM has been heavily DNRd and at least AOTC has also been DNRd somewhat to remove digital noise.
For TPM, there’s Schorman’s HDTV preservation. It’s essentially an HD version of the same transfer on the DVD, meaning there are issues like oversharpening artifacts, a pink color tint and a more closely cropped picture. You essentially have to pick your poison here, and most people think the current transfer looks better, despite the DNR. We probably won’t get anything that truly replaces the official release unless someone manages to scan a film print at 4K.
For AOTC, Schorman’s HDTV preservation is quite good. It looks less DNRd to my eyes and has better colors, but it’s also lower bitrate than the official releases.
For ROTS, you’re not going to find anything that looks better than the official 4K release, but Schorman’s release might have more accurate colors.
Hope that helps.
Nice! Glad you’re still working on this.
I decided I wanted to put my mental C-3PO inventory to some more good use, so I spent a few minutes screwing around with the scene where 3PO gets his memory back.
THIS IS ROUGH, I haven’t done anything with pruning the audio yet, this is just raw lines used:
I really didn’t like the joke about R2 “putting something in his head” as well as the smash cut mid-sentence, so I changed it.
I hope Snooker gets a chance to see my “mistress Rey” line replacement since she was the one who gave me the idea!
Nice job! I like the prequel reference but I think the original joke then smash cut worked better.
I haven’t read anything recent on this thread, but here’s a clip of a replaced 3PO line with some help from Chase. The audio used wasn’t clean but I think it blends into this context reasonably well.
That’s a really nice job, mate. I wish there was a way for turning Poe from being an A$$hole in TROS. It’s like 3PO did something we don’t know about.
To be fair, everyone’s always been an asshole to 3PO. “Shut him up or shut him down!” I do think it’s a little awkward how mild this line reading is compared to Poe’s reaction though. You’d expect 3PO to be more hysterical.
How far we’ve come since seeing that obviously fake screenshot on Ain’t It Cool News in 2004.
What’s happened is that an entire generation of people have grown up with those DVDs and the prequels. Someone who was 8 in 2004 is 24 now!
Idk how this was done, but I gotta say it looks like the best of both worlds when it comes to the force Ghost issue. This one is obviously a bit over done, he looks like 90 rather than 45 (also wow why did they have Sebastian Shaw playing him, I know that the prequels we got were very different to how they were imagined based on what we hear and see in the OG trilogy but still, he was even older than Alec Guinness) but toned down a bit I think this would work as both Anakin being the man how died on the DSII and link back to the prequels as Shaw just doesn’t resemble him at all.
https://youtu.be/z-oL4rEjcfQ?t=12Did either of you actually read my comment? This fixes both issues and makes for a very pleasant compromise.
Its not like Shaw even looked like himself under Vader makeup so either way you’re asking the audience to draw a connection based on context rather than what the guy looks like.
Someone who was 1 when they were filming should not be in the movie.
I mean, to be fair, Ady is adding new pilots to the movie, some of whom I’m sure were pretty young when the movie came out. I’m personally fine with Shaw though, despite the weird age difference.
Here’s the civilian fleet! There’s still gonna be room for more submissions until I render out the final edit at some point.
I really like it! 😄
One quibble, if you’re removing the planet-destroying capabilities of the ship, shouldn’t you try to remove the line “every one we knock out is a planet saved”?
I think DominicCobb’s use of duel of the fates is pretty seamless. I’d just copy that (maybe as an alternate track) and call it a day.
I don’t think Vader’s TIE really works. The idea that it was sitting on Death Star II and happened to survive intact along with the radar dish and the throne room stretches my suspension of disbelief. Plus, shouldn’t the redeemed Ben be moving away from his obsession with Vader iconography? I would prefer the shuttle personally.
Saw your changelist for ROTJ. Does this version still have blinking Ewoks? I noticed that wasn’t listed as one of the changes.
I personally think that if the lightspeed skipping scene is removed, the later mention of it also has to be removed somehow. You can make the argument that “lightspeed skipping” in this context just means crashing through the ice wall at light speed, but I think new viewers will just be confused by the term, and every time I watch the later scene myself I’m going to be thinking of the earlier scene that was cut.
Ultimately though, I think the lightspeed skipping thing, while it doesn’t make sense if you pick it apart, is one of the least offensive things in the movie. You can handwave it away by saying that lightspeed tracking has technologically advanced since the last movie to the point that they can fit it into TIE fighters, and all the planets they travel to could easily be in the same system. By removing it, you’re also robbing the movie of the only significant action setpiece in the first act (and arguably the only unique or visually interesting setpiece in the entire movie), which makes it feel like a bit of an exposition dump for the first 20 minutes or so. RoS as-is isn’t much more than a pretty roller coaster ride. I wouldn’t try to rob it of one of the few elements that works.
I like that line and I don’t think it contradicts anything. The ghosts showed up because Rey was able to use her power to call on them. They’re also not “alive” because well, they’re ghosts. The thousand generations still live in her.
The only disadvantage I see to cutting Mustafar is that you just start the film and there’s Palpatine, with no build up. Would prefer to see that finding him at least took some doing on Kylo’s part. Like I know that we can infer that it happened offscreen but I think it’s better to see that effort play out onscreen.
I personally still think that the movie should start with this clip. And completely erase mustafar. (Which doesn’t seem to mustafar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k12QPAh_cGood call, jonh! Here’s a quick mockup of that idea:
TROS - Alt Opening without Mustafar
pw: faneditYeah, I agree. I think of the issues the Mustafar scene has, the simple one I remember raised here is that it was unusual for a Star Wars opening to smash-cut from space to a planet surface. Usually there’s a couple establishing flybys. It’s one of the many pacing issues, and a little scene buffer could help.
Personally, I’m indifferent to Mustafar. Kewlfish, Chase Adams and others have done a good job mining options for this. I do think the battlefront footage, while fun, feels like a lot of extra outside material. If we do add 1-2 establishing shots to this scene, I think they should be simple shots that match well with the Kylo stuff.
Looks good but I don’t think the music transition here works at all, is it meant to be temp? Personally I can see the logic in either augmenting or removing the Mustafar sequence. Right now I don’t feel particularly strongly about either option.
Yeah, I don’t like the idea of making Ajan Kloss Naboo either. The Rebellion/Resistance has never had a base on a highly populated planet. After they realize the emperor has returned, it should give them some pause that they’re literally hiding out on his homeworld.
I think the rearrangement of the Han scene would work better if there was some kind of visual filter or even background replacement to clearly indicate this is taking place in a different “internal realm”. I probably wouldn’t even be bothered by the lack of Ben’s scar if that were the case. If someone could add the scar, that would be even better, but probably quite difficult.
Yeah. I wonder if we can reconstruct Boba’s ESB lines with Temuera from other sources (Battlefront, maybe) to improve the performance?
The Youtube channel “Star Wars Story” did this with some of the lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy2OqQIS-ps&list=PLtj-aNFWYd8ic2j58QfpOQkx8NDyPVfVe&index=7
leia, luke and ben force ghost ending…
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ieKbvLXpG5ZHXBicNtOf8PYuM7jqqNGa
Ben looks a little stiff but I like where this is going! I wish Ben could be put in the middle, but I imagine that would be a quite a bit harder to pull off. As it is, I like the he’s next to Leia rather than Luke.
Does anyone besides masked Kylo and Palptine refer to Rey as a scavenger? I wonder how feasible it may be to remove that, as she seemed to move past that in the eyes of all the characters.
I wouldn’t do that. He’s belittling Rey by referring back to her humble origins.
Maybe he takes after his grandmother and just likes to change outfits between each scene. 😂
poppasketti said:
I have to say, is there any consideration still to just using the audio from the alt take? While I love what idir and Chase have done, I find the camera angle from the alt-take to be off (because it’s from the BTS camera of course, in the uncropped shot you can see the actual cinema camera). It just seems to me it’s not the most cinematic angle and she should be looking more towards camera like in the theatrical. Still open to anything but I figured I’d share that thought.
I agree with this. Wasn’t going to say anything but the framing of the BTS shot is kind of underwhelming.
For reference here’s probably the best comparisons I’ve seen between 2011 1080p releases and the 2019 4K releases.
TPM: https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/819-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-star-wars-I.html
AOTC: https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/820-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-star-wars-II.html
ROTS: https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/821-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-star-wars-III.html
Pretty minor improvements, but still worth it. It will be good to see what AI enhancements can do to the footage.
Phantom Menace looks brighter and more contrasty but I don’t really see a difference in detail level.
AOTC probably looks the most improved. Better color and sharper.
ROTS looks sharper as well but I’m not sure that I really see more detail, just more noise.
