Personally I think any solution that removes Ochi killing Rey’s parents as her motivation for hating Palpatine is going to be pretty difficult to pull off seamlessly. I’d like to see someone attempt a “conservative” version first that just removes the family lineage without messing with anything else.
Personally I like the smash cut to the Vader mask. It feels intentional and gives that moment energy.
I’m planning on just adding the planet to the establishing shot, but even that might prove too difficult because of the whip pan. I’ll play with it.
I’ve been learning After Effects and I might be willing to take a stab at adding Coruscant to the briefing scene. I’ll let you know if it pans out.
I don’t get why you chose to leave in Greedo shooting first.
He didn’t?
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Can’t wait for the Rey nobody version so I can avoid the troubling implications of Palpatine having children, clone or otherwise. 🙂
Interested in a link (and not the one in my avatar) 😃
I’m in class right now but there is a ton of Kylo helmeted lines here. Not sure if any will be useful though
Posting this here as it may turn out to be a valuable resource to some of you. (Thanks to dgraham414 for bringing it to our attention)
It’s worth pointing out that these are Matthew Wood, not Adam Driver. Some of them sound pretty close though.
However, I am looking for ways to remedy this problem. I’m curious about buying 4K downloads of the prequels (or 1080p, at least)
I recommend you use Schormann’s preservation of TPM as a base for your edit. It’s in 1080p, it’s equivalent to the DVDs changes-wise, and looks way better than either the 2011 HD Blu Ray or the 2020 4K Blu Ray.
I really disagree. It may not be as DNRed but it’s overly cropped, noisy and has really bad edge enhancement. The 4K release is the best this movie has looked short of someone scanning an original theatrical print.
I kind of hear it now, but I think it still needs some work. Great idea though.
So instead of doing more important things, I wanted to take a crack at playing around with the Hangar Scene for a Rey Nobody edit. I like the potential of a “Rey killed her parents” version, but I wanted to try something more straightforward. It’s not as compelling, perhaps, but it is still less offensive than Rey Palpatine.
In this version of the film, I would remove any reference to Rey recognizing Ochi’s ship, or Rey seeing her parents in any vision. I may try to tackle the Force bond duel at some point, but in this version I would probably shorten the scene, and replace a lot of the dialogue with more generic taunts about Kylo sensing the darkness within her.
This version of the hangar scene just has Kylo Ren confirm Rey’s fears about the vision she saw earlier in the film. Rey’s reaction to info she already has might seem a little dramatic, but in my mind, I interpret Rey’s reaction as her starting to feel that her future is fated and inescapable. But a part of her is still in denial, convincing herself that Kylo Ren is lying in order to manipulate her.
Here’s a rough test for their hangar interaction: https://vimeo.com/447063673
And here’s an alternate line read for Kylo near the end of the scene, keeping closer to the original line: https://vimeo.com/447069546
I love this. The only thing I really don’t care for is the “you have his power” line. Even divorced from the original context, it rubs me the wrong way.
I wonder how well it would work with the substitution of “dark power” from my version. I think everything else works better than what I had.
I personally prefer Hayden, just because we see him inhabit the role for way longer, so I think more audiences will recognize him whereas Shaw might have them scratching their heads.
Anakin Starkiller said:
Yes, there is a through-line, but Carrie Fisher’s death is irrelevant. Leia’s role in the trilogy has always been fairly minor, and her role in DotF could have easily been rewritten around the footage they had. Lucasfilm clearly had a problem with the script itself. I’m inclined to believe it’s the way it handled Kylo.I don’t think Fisher’s death is irrelevant, There was a strong insistence on figuring out some way to keep her character in the story despite the fact the actor had died. I do agree the handling of Kylo was also a very big problem, but even bigger was the apparently not-up-for-debate guideline that you couldn’t write Leia out of the movie. It simply wasn’t an option. And it should have been. The movie was apparently begun (and re-begun) with Leia being responsible for whatever redemption Kylo was going to have. At no point did anyone even try to concieve of a story where Leia wasn’t in it, or that Kylo wasn’t redeemed. Removing huge, story-changing options like that from the storytelling process really hurt the movie’s potential.
On-topic: Has there been any discussion about moving the Chewie & the Boys chess scene to after Rey says “Rey Skywalker” but before she gets back on the ship? Because I still think that jump cut where the suns literally shift across the screen is not good. Unless that jump cut isn’t in the movie anymore (I haven’t seen the most recent workprint). I think you need a scene placed in there so it doesn’t look like a mistake in editing just occurred. Because that’s what it looks like now. I remember someone earlier saying “it suggests the passage of time” but it doesn’t really do that. It just looks like teleporting suns. That’s not suggesting anything clearly other than “we cut something out of here and didn’t put anything back.”
I think the fact that the audio of the Falcon starts in the preceding shot is enough to suggest that we’re cutting to a bit later (a technique called a “J” cut). It doesn’t come across as a jump cut to me.
Sorry, it’s fixed! I’ll PM you.
I like it how it is in the workprint. It clearly plays like there was a longer message and we’re just hearing the tail end of it. I don’t think adding more of the message would lead to any sort of substantial improvement.
I just wanted to chime in to say that I think the colors in the new workprint look close to perfect. Very natural. I also like the middle ground with Exogol better than the super gray look.
jarbear said:
Initial thoughts thinking about the Poe/Rey/Finn conversation, maybe it would help to add some walking in leaf sounds and even some kind of Finn line or something that goes from a “far” away sound to “closer”? It may make that feel a bit more natural with him “suddenly” appearing.
This could be interesting…
I don’t think the Falcon even punches through the ice wall at hyperspeed. To my eyes it looks like it breaks through the wall, then accelerates to light speed after. Lightspeed skipping sounds to me like it’s describing some kind of specific maneuver that doesn’t map cleanly onto anything we see the Falcon do in the remaining chase sequence. Having the reference in there is going to remind me of the cut sequence every time I watch the film.
I prefer the edited version as well.
The prequels used tracked music constantly. I don’t think it’s really that big an issue.
That’s definitely better than my take on the scene. I’m not sure the “his power” line works in this context though.
The choppy framerate caused by the slowdown is noticeable. I can’t right now but in a week or so I can probably help you smooth it out.
I think if the visual is too subtle only nerdy forum geeks like us will pick it up. I think it needs to act as clear visual shorthand for “it was broken, now it’s fixed, but imperfectly” and I think the kewlfish version accomplishes that.
I could potentially slow down the establishing shot for you to add a few more seconds. Alternatively you could combine Cinefy and Hal’s versions. Start with the Cinefy clip, but replace the voice lines with “At last the work of generations is complete. The great error is corrected.” Then cut to the wide and put the last few lines there, as if they were replaying the broadcast for the whole crew. We can assume there was more broadcast in between that we just don’t hear.