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Interested in a link (and not the one in my avatar) 😃

Chase Adams said:

dgraham414 said:

I’m in class right now but there is a ton of Kylo helmeted lines here. Not sure if any will be useful though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db9NsZJjcNs

Posting this here as it may turn out to be a valuable resource to some of you. (Thanks to dgraham414 for bringing it to our attention)

It’s worth pointing out that these are Matthew Wood, not Adam Driver. Some of them sound pretty close though.

SparkySywer said:

However, I am looking for ways to remedy this problem. I’m curious about buying 4K downloads of the prequels (or 1080p, at least)

I recommend you use Schormann’s preservation of TPM as a base for your edit. It’s in 1080p, it’s equivalent to the DVDs changes-wise, and looks way better than either the 2011 HD Blu Ray or the 2020 4K Blu Ray.

I really disagree. It may not be as DNRed but it’s overly cropped, noisy and has really bad edge enhancement. The 4K release is the best this movie has looked short of someone scanning an original theatrical print.

I kind of hear it now, but I think it still needs some work. Great idea though.

RogueLeader said:

So instead of doing more important things, I wanted to take a crack at playing around with the Hangar Scene for a Rey Nobody edit. I like the potential of a “Rey killed her parents” version, but I wanted to try something more straightforward. It’s not as compelling, perhaps, but it is still less offensive than Rey Palpatine.

In this version of the film, I would remove any reference to Rey recognizing Ochi’s ship, or Rey seeing her parents in any vision. I may try to tackle the Force bond duel at some point, but in this version I would probably shorten the scene, and replace a lot of the dialogue with more generic taunts about Kylo sensing the darkness within her.

This version of the hangar scene just has Kylo Ren confirm Rey’s fears about the vision she saw earlier in the film. Rey’s reaction to info she already has might seem a little dramatic, but in my mind, I interpret Rey’s reaction as her starting to feel that her future is fated and inescapable. But a part of her is still in denial, convincing herself that Kylo Ren is lying in order to manipulate her.

Here’s a rough test for their hangar interaction: https://vimeo.com/447063673

And here’s an alternate line read for Kylo near the end of the scene, keeping closer to the original line: https://vimeo.com/447069546

I love this. The only thing I really don’t care for is the “you have his power” line. Even divorced from the original context, it rubs me the wrong way.

I wonder how well it would work with the substitution of “dark power” from my version. I think everything else works better than what I had.

I personally prefer Hayden, just because we see him inhabit the role for way longer, so I think more audiences will recognize him whereas Shaw might have them scratching their heads.

Broom Kid said:

Anakin Starkiller said:
Yes, there is a through-line, but Carrie Fisher’s death is irrelevant. Leia’s role in the trilogy has always been fairly minor, and her role in DotF could have easily been rewritten around the footage they had. Lucasfilm clearly had a problem with the script itself. I’m inclined to believe it’s the way it handled Kylo.

I don’t think Fisher’s death is irrelevant, There was a strong insistence on figuring out some way to keep her character in the story despite the fact the actor had died. I do agree the handling of Kylo was also a very big problem, but even bigger was the apparently not-up-for-debate guideline that you couldn’t write Leia out of the movie. It simply wasn’t an option. And it should have been. The movie was apparently begun (and re-begun) with Leia being responsible for whatever redemption Kylo was going to have. At no point did anyone even try to concieve of a story where Leia wasn’t in it, or that Kylo wasn’t redeemed. Removing huge, story-changing options like that from the storytelling process really hurt the movie’s potential.

On-topic: Has there been any discussion about moving the Chewie & the Boys chess scene to after Rey says “Rey Skywalker” but before she gets back on the ship? Because I still think that jump cut where the suns literally shift across the screen is not good. Unless that jump cut isn’t in the movie anymore (I haven’t seen the most recent workprint). I think you need a scene placed in there so it doesn’t look like a mistake in editing just occurred. Because that’s what it looks like now. I remember someone earlier saying “it suggests the passage of time” but it doesn’t really do that. It just looks like teleporting suns. That’s not suggesting anything clearly other than “we cut something out of here and didn’t put anything back.”

I think the fact that the audio of the Falcon starts in the preceding shot is enough to suggest that we’re cutting to a bit later (a technique called a “J” cut). It doesn’t come across as a jump cut to me.

Sorry, it’s fixed! I’ll PM you.

I like it how it is in the workprint. It clearly plays like there was a longer message and we’re just hearing the tail end of it. I don’t think adding more of the message would lead to any sort of substantial improvement.

I just wanted to chime in to say that I think the colors in the new workprint look close to perfect. Very natural. I also like the middle ground with Exogol better than the super gray look.

jarbear said:
Initial thoughts thinking about the Poe/Rey/Finn conversation, maybe it would help to add some walking in leaf sounds and even some kind of Finn line or something that goes from a “far” away sound to “closer”? It may make that feel a bit more natural with him “suddenly” appearing.

This could be interesting…

I don’t think the Falcon even punches through the ice wall at hyperspeed. To my eyes it looks like it breaks through the wall, then accelerates to light speed after. Lightspeed skipping sounds to me like it’s describing some kind of specific maneuver that doesn’t map cleanly onto anything we see the Falcon do in the remaining chase sequence. Having the reference in there is going to remind me of the cut sequence every time I watch the film.

I prefer the edited version as well.

The prequels used tracked music constantly. I don’t think it’s really that big an issue.

That’s definitely better than my take on the scene. I’m not sure the “his power” line works in this context though.

The choppy framerate caused by the slowdown is noticeable. I can’t right now but in a week or so I can probably help you smooth it out.

I think if the visual is too subtle only nerdy forum geeks like us will pick it up. I think it needs to act as clear visual shorthand for “it was broken, now it’s fixed, but imperfectly” and I think the kewlfish version accomplishes that.

I could potentially slow down the establishing shot for you to add a few more seconds. Alternatively you could combine Cinefy and Hal’s versions. Start with the Cinefy clip, but replace the voice lines with “At last the work of generations is complete. The great error is corrected.” Then cut to the wide and put the last few lines there, as if they were replaying the broadcast for the whole crew. We can assume there was more broadcast in between that we just don’t hear.

Cinefy said:

Palpatine Message V2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4vmoK8VvA&feature=youtu.be

-Removed Roses frequency line
-added backround resistance sounds
-Removed Poe’s bandage

I don’t understand what “this is how he finishes it” means in this context? They haven’t listened to the message yet?

bbghost said:

Cinefy said:

I’ve isolated Ian Mcdirmids Palpatine dialogue

V2 Test:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPdX9HVX-go&feature=youtu.be

I’ve made it so as Kylo enters, Hux and Pryde abruptly look in his direction, dialogue is isolated can send the message without music and hologram sounds through if needed.

This is cool! If you could send the audio w/o music I’d like to have a go at making a version of the Resistance briefing with this as Hal’s suggested.

I really like this, but it bothers me that the speech seems to end in the hallway and then we hear the last bit again in the conference room.

idir_hh said:

For Leia’s death I think it would nice to extend her dialogue using lines from TFA: “there’s still light in him, I know it” could be used make “Ben, come home, there’s still light in you, I know it”

This guy on youtube did something similar.
https://youtu.be/QiAFwBV--Gg

Ooh, I really like this. (not necessarily the whole sequence, but the line)

I’d like to believe Palpatine prefers to be addressed as “Grandpappy Palpy”

schizopolis23 said:

Broom Kid said:

The cut that was released was his cut.

There is no secret cut. He put out exactly what he wanted to put out. Nobody made him edit the movie the way he did. He did that on his own.

Almost every movie ever made has a 3-4 hr cut at one point. It’s usually referred to as the Assembly Cut, and then there are cuts past that point that are sometimes almost as long as that initial Assembly Cut. And all “Assembly Cut” means is “Everything we shot, put it in the edit, and then we can see what we don’t need.”

The same logic that YouTube liars and grifters use to con viewers into subscribing to their channels (“There’s an ORIGINAL cut THEY’RE HIDING FROM YOU”) could have been applied to basically every movie you’ve ever loved. Jaws. Star Wars. Jurassic Park. Back to the Future. They all had super-long initial cuts that had a bunch of story elements that got deleted along the way. It’s not a conspiracy, or evidence of meddling executives. It’s just editing. That’s how stories are told and movies are made.

Sometimes they’re good, and sometimes they’re bad.

I guess Zack Snyder’s Justice League is the only exception to this rule 😃 Back in early 2018, everyone said the same thing you are saying now and they ended up being wrong. I guess since JJ is not saying anything about a JJ Cut, then it probably doesn’t exist. But, we know there were major reshoots and he shot different endings. Obviously, fan editors would love to get a hold of that footage via blu-ray with deleted scenes!

Let’s be clear, the cut of Justice League released in theaters didn’t represent Zack’s vision, but it’s not like he had a finished alternate cut just waiting in the wings. Otherwise, WarnerMedia wouldn’t be spending 20-30 million dollars so he can finish his version. The Snyder cut never “existed”, it’s a new cut being created now.

Similarly, there’s no finished alternate cut of Rise of Skywalker lying in a vault somewhere, and unlike with Snyder, there’s been no indication that Abrams doesn’t stand behind the movie he made. The problems with Rise of Skywalker are honestly pretty typical of Abrams filmmaking style, the guy is notoriously bad at endings, and we know the production was rushed. I don’t see this being a case of studio meddling.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

Hal 9000 said:

Eventually, probably if Dom ever finishes his edit.

FTFY

Seriously though, what happened to him? He hasn’t posted much of anything for a while, and he hasn’t made any updates on his TROS edit for a long time.

Sup dude. My edit has been let’s say 95% finished for about two months now, so there hasn’t been anything to update. Only minor changes left but have been holding off releasing because I’ve been waiting for stuff like new VFX shots (plus have just happened to be busy for the past few weeks).

That’s really exciting to hear! Any chance you’ll post a preview clip of the hangar scene before the release? I’m really curious about how you chose to handle that.

Watched the workprint last night (downloaded the file, not the preview on Drive). I agree with what others are saying about the LUT being too red, leading to characters having a “sunburnt” appearance. That said, I actually think it varies pretty significantly from scene to scene. Most of the stuff on Pasaana actually looks pretty good, as does the stuff in Kylo’s chamber, whereas the scenes on Ajan Kloss look especially red. I honestly think this is something that will have to be tweaked on a location by location basis, as each is graded somewhat differently.