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#62204
Topic
My own edit of Episode I (my 'The Perfect Edit') (Completed)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/62204/action/topic#62204
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HS5, I loved those edits. I just watched magnolia's 1.2 re-edit and the balance of the force edit and all the things you mentioned were fresh in my mind. MF's balance is very tight and he has a deft skill for editing. Watch it and use it for your gold standard. You direction may be different than his, he chose to keep it tightest to a story with no plot holes, meaning jar-jar stays in. I too am phenomenally annoyed by his mere presence on the screen. So I appreciate his episode 2 (clone war) to a greater degree, though in either Balance or Clone War his skill and thought is obvious. I agree on a number of your edits and now that I watch them I think a number of the same things as you said. Just two hours ago I was saying it'd be cooler if they just came out swinging the sabers instead of the droid coming out. It'd be cooler if Jar-Jar did not do that jackass cannonball and resurface. Good edits...I like your thought process. Magnolia did something that was very smart which started with 1.2 and he expanded to many of the alien creatures is dubbing over them and giving them better dialogue. I still hate jar-jar's voice even if its not in english (that shrill...rgggh). Did I say I hate jar-jar? I think the Roger-Roger droids, 1. need to not say roger-roger 2. need deep, meaner robotic voices - they have geeky voices that do not intimidate AT ALL. The scary part is while your changes are numerous and thoughtful, Magnolia said he made over 2000 changes, some minor like dropping "umm" or "I think", some major like the voices. It needs to be an ongoing process and there will in fact someday be the perfect edit hopefully. I appreciate your work and would love to see your edit when you work it through, maybe hand it to Rikter or Magnolia even in the form its in now, to give them ideas. Continue the good work. Matter of fact its got me thinking I'd like to do video editing (I wonder how many star wars fans have thought this). BTW that point on Anakin with the auto-pilot was dead-on.
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#60813
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60813/action/topic#60813
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I agree as well but if you read back more than 3 posts, thats what this thread has been about for a while. Doing the Zahn books, someone had mentioned doing them in Final Fantasy style CG if we could never get live action, then there was those rumored ep. 7 pics/3DO game. We all concluded that is the source of our desired movie, but a live action of it now seems impossible.
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#60782
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60782/action/topic#60782
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Bizzle. Welcome to the boards. You are certainly more knowledgable of the trilogy than I am, and I have seen them a 100 times. But, I got to say...what's up with hammering Magnolia? If you don't like his edits, don't watch them. Seriously. And if you've never seen them before, watch them before you criticize. He spent alot of time and put a lot of thought in to these. That is worth merit. And he has given them to us...free. FREE. A LOT OF THOUGHT AND FREE. Two things that do not register with GL these days. I don't agree with everything he did. But no one will. Everyone would do something a little different, especially when the source material is soooo tainted (TPM ESPECIALLY). Like the edits or not, respect him and his efforts. Its another great edition to my collection and certainly, I feel a vast improvement on Episode I and II. I hated Ep. I sooo much, and now with his edit its more than tolerable (I would still like to see less of the CG characters and have Jar Jar's tone of voice changed...though doing the alien voices was brilliant and effective). Episode II went from decent to awesome with his edit (again I might drop the scene with the obnoxious child figuring out the planet being missing and somehow use the scene in the library shorter with different dialogue and drop Dex's scene for the deleted scene with the droids and change the droids to saying they identified it...I hate obnoxoius kids and stupid CG though). ALLLLL of this said. My point is, I may do something slightly different. But I didn't and have neither the time nor the knowledge nor the ability. The fact is, flat out, these are better than what George gave us. And check this. All that work, all that time. He sent them to me (shipping, burning, DVDs) FREE. What edits have you made bizzle? Send them to me. Until then respect him and what he gave us.
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#60777
Topic
Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60777/action/topic#60777
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If it was originally supposed to be a trilogy...then why not? Where is the foreshadowing? Where is the Episode IV in 1977? The moive stands on its own... well. I love the the OT don't get me wrong, but it was made a trilogy because the money was there, not because the money allowed him to make his original evidence. He may say that, but most of what he says is lies. Just like now if those movies of the OT were his original vision than why is it getting changed to meet the PT? It keeps changing. Its money, power, and self-importance. Period.
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#60773
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Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60773/action/topic#60773
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Originally posted by: Mr.Coffee
Not the "Lost Cut", which DOES NOT exist!


UMMM...ok
well this may interest you.

lost cut existing...

The best look at the Lost Cut of Star Wars so far, without being able to actually see the footage itself, comes from the aforementioned Dr. David West Reynolds, archaeologist and Star Wars fanatic; a lethal combination that contains aspects of two of Lucasfilm's best known film series. The reason Reynolds knows so much about this subject is that he's actually seen this elusive Lost Cut, having been allowed to extricate it from the depths of the Lucasfilm archives, much like the remains of an Egyptian mummy. After a little maintenance and dusting off, the reels of film were once again exposed to light and projected on a wall for careful analysis and research.

UMMM...

percolate on that coffee
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#60513
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60513/action/topic#60513
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Basically, whether it was his idea or not it rings more of ET or Close Encounters than 2001 or Clockwork Orange and if you dispute that, you have no idea of who or what Kubrick was. There was very few feel good, touching moments in his movies like Spielberg's. His movie are dark, awkward, disturbing and brilliant. And if there was a feel good moment it is to make it more twisted later a la Jack Nicholson writing his book in the Shining seeming sweet..."ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY." We all know how upbeat and happy that ends, or how Eyes Wide Shut ends, or how Full Metal Jacket ends, or how A Clockwork Orange ends, etc. Be real. I like the movie, but it smacks of two vastly different styles and therefor gives the movie no real flow and feeling bloated at times.


I found an article on Senses Of Cinema that says this...


A.I.'s naysayers sometimes admitted an almost androidal sangfroid, to the point of saying they just couldn't feel for David (Haley Joel Osment) because he's a robot, albeit an advanced model designed to love parents who've lost children in a near-future plague. Alas, the critical resistance is real. But they are not. Could they get away with that sort of dull literal-mindedness writing about any other art-form but movies? For starters, seeing David as merely mechanical and finally unworthy of emotional investment denies the basis of representational art and metaphor. This dumbfounding objection offends the essence of storytelling. Should a child detach from Pinocchio's fate because he is, after all, just wood? Isn't E.T. at best a believable fantasy, at worst a teardrop-proof rubber puppet? A modest proposal: David's most obvious meaning is Man. He's an avatar of human experience, yearning, and will to perfect himself before his Creator. With A.I. Spielberg tells the oldest newest story: Man's search for meaning.

By far the most common critical obfuscation, to avoid engaging the film on its own terms, involved the pitting of Kubrick against Spielberg, specifically suggesting that their ideas irreconcilably clash. That would be a legitimate approach if only they knew what they were talking about – that is, if A.I. weren't entirely, unmistakably Spielbergian, if not the summation of his art. Spielberg, the ecumenical, theistic humanist and modestly wise optimist (one humorist found the two perfect words, “elfin and rabbinic”) favours the more “open” cinematic style characteristic of Jean Renoir. That means appreciating such glorious moments as a mother and son looking upon each other with exquisite devotion not for a strictly circumscribed narrative meaning but for a certain, more ineffable beauty and emotion, the way audiences once generously engaged movies with the aesthetic qualities of How Green Was My Valley (John Ford, 1941) – and favorably compared its then old-fashioned tableaux vivants to the contemporary “closed” Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941). Here Spielberg uses his passion and great gift to syncretise story elements that certainly don't clash on the screen and only seem dissonant in the abstract – as if one entered with Kubrick's unmade movie already firmly in one's mind. It's not terribly important that the movie explores notions and images which intrigued Kubrick, the agnostic misanthrope who gravitated to the deterministic style of Fritz Lang. Kubrick and Spielberg would have formed completely unique creatures from the same clay. There's more to the authentic style of real artists than superficial treatment of plot points. Note that Kubrick stayed interested in A.I. for 20 years – but not so interested that he actually made the film. In the end he wanted Spielberg to direct it, too.

With Spielberg's opening of A.I. we see why. And, in any case, likely Kubrickian elements remain: The tramways fellated by obscenely gaping mouths, for example, could be transporting riders to the milk bar of A Clockwork Orange (Stanley Kubrick, 1970). In Spielberg's 1941 (1979) Slim Pickens is practically a movie-length homage to his character in Kubrick's Dr Strangelove (1963). What of it? Kubrick's movies are distinctly different from Spielberg's, works of a brilliant, cynical satirist whose artistic downfall was an unceasing irony. Displaced as animus against Spielberg, the vehement abreaction to A.I. begins the embalming of Kubrick, worshipped by critics who no longer have to sit through the movies they invariably dismissed as too long, too boring, too cerebral, too... Ironic, isn't it? “In irony man annihilates what he posits within one and the same act,” Sartre wrote on the subject of Bad Faith. “He leads us to believe in order not to be believed.” A Kubrick A.I. may have been above and beyond belief, perhaps ending in the ironic, frigid futility of faith, David frozen dead, like Jack at the end of The Shining (Stanley Kubrick, 1980), for eternity.

Spielberg sees not an ending but a beginning in that image – the Blue Fairy/Our Lady icon ever smiling and welcoming, David's eyes open and fixed upon her for 2,000 years, a superhuman act of monk-like devotion, imperfect man's perfection of a prayer that outlives history. In Spielberg's intriguing coda, the alien (or unrecognisably evolved robot that provocatively resembles the Giacometti curves of the mecha manufacturer's logo icon), whom we discover to be narrating the story, says that man's unique spirit radiated across the universe, interpenetrating and binding all things, leading them to hope that humans were “the key.” So Love is the energy that can be created but not destroyed. And it is certainly not wasted upon David. But a scientist poses a “moral question” early on: What is the responsibility of the creator to love the creation? Even if a robot can love humans, can humans learn to love them back?
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#60553
Topic
Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60553/action/topic#60553
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The Star Wars was one original movie, and at that 40% was edited out (in the famed lost cut)...so for George's brilliant vision let's be real. Money, power and fame afforded him trilogies of the multiples. He'll never say it was supposed to be one movie and he'll never release the OT, and he'll never make the PT fit the OT, but keep screwing with the OT so it fits his new vision. Think about it if what he is saying was his vision all along why doesn't the OT stand on its own unchanged except minor SFX improvments and remastering. HE IS ALL LIES.
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#60550
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Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60550/action/topic#60550
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By the way, if those aren't from a CG movie coming out what are those star wars pics from? A next gen video game on X-box Next, PC, or PS3? Those graphics look pretty solid that buddy x-wing posted and I know that not fan stuff, that's legit stuff whatever its for. Is the TV show of rumors, rumored to be live action or CG?
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#60510
Topic
Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60510/action/topic#60510
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How about this, they were bad shots because he didn't want his stars to die, but he wanted action and the threat of danger. Umm, isn't that all movies that the bad guys are bad shots? Lucas didn't have an elaborate plan. And yes you clarify based on what we have now, and what George is trying to edit out of our OT now. The fact that GL will edit their voices to make them clones tells you...HE DIDN"T HAVE THIS IN MIND ORIGINALLY! Oh wait its too difficult to make people with masks have the same voice, no, no it really isn't. It's really 27 years ago it was A movie (1 movie) not a trilogy, not a PT, not a huge empire of fanfare and marketing. He's reworking as he goes and justifying...its at the root of what we all hate here...changing crap to make it fit.
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#60506
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60506/action/topic#60506
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Well damn, something's better than nothing, it at least gives us more threads to bitch about Those pics look awesome to me, again, I'd love a live action trilogy, with the original cast, done right, but animated or not anything's got to be better than the phantom menace. Though GL does seem to be sinking to new lows lately, he may stand to make something worse still.
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#60369
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60369/action/topic#60369
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I hear ya magnolia. I am sending Rikter the 3 disc Canadian release Brotherhood along with all the deleted scene stuff, which you were going to get anyway, I'll just have him get that to you too. Dune would be interesting, especially considering how much footage there is out there, with the 3+ hr cut and the children of dune, etc. The matrix, yes, it pains me how they steadily fell apart, but damn if there isn't some bad ass footage. They have a box set coming out this christmas that will have 50 extra minutes to reloaded and reloaded and revolutions was done at the same time, so they would make 1 good movie if edited done and the fluff was chopped...the quality is there to edit too, with superbits to work from. Lastly, you didn't mention AI, to me this one screams edit me. Kubrick original movie script was very dark a la clockwork orange, eyes wide shut, full metal jacket, etc. Spielberg pulled a Lucas and butchered it into ET candy crap of feel goodness. There are many times AI is poignant and brilliant (Kubrick) and many times it is overblown nonsense (Spielberg) like OMG, the Alien Ending, rrrgh. Oh well. For recent movies I robot could be less silly, b/c when its serious (asimov) its pretty good. I did love Bourne Supremacy & Manchurian Candidate this summer, no editing needed. As for trilogies done right I love the LOTR, extended cuts. Oh yeah, and lastly, one of the scariest movies I have ever seen, dark and twisted...Jacob's Ladder, the deleted scenes of 20 minutes are awesome...that'd be a cool edit too, that movie was ahead of its time and missed by many.
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#60372
Topic
Longer thread counts on each page
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60372/action/topic#60372
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The thread count is sooo much shorter than most websites, people typically only check page 1 of the general discussion, and stuff can bumped to page 2 within the same day. I'd love to see more discussion on more of the topics. Longer thread counts per page would accomplish this. Its funny a thread will die on page two and someone veturous enough to go there and post will bring it back from the dead of a week or more of no posting and all the sudden its hot again one page one. Please, think about this. Thanks
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#60370
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60370/action/topic#60370
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Is that face photorealistic enough?





Or how about the landscape here and camera effects of focus/out-of-focus?

I understand what you guys are saying. But again, people like the PT, people like the Clone Wars cartoon I'd take this over those anyday with a great story and it doesn't have to be Luke, Han, Leia, etc. Just set way in the future just like KOTOR was set way in the past.
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#60367
Topic
Does anyone have any Deleted Scenes for the Original Trilogy?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60367/action/topic#60367
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AWOL - Absent WithOut Leave. George Lucas is again making something fit to something that was not there originally.

Luke its interesting you mentioned the SS and Lucas given his roots. I posted this on a different thread...

I found this on another board. Interesting post this guy made...

The mother of all sci fi movies. Really is about World War 2. The Empire / Rebel conflict parallels the Axis / Allies. The Millenium Falcon is just a B52, and Han a bomber pilot. Notice how the locales translate to the arenas the war was fought: the deserts of Africa, the forests of the Ardennes and Europe, and the tundra of Russia. We get tanks, squadron fighters, the bushido code of the Japanese, the polished techno-evil of the Nazis, the terrorizing, hypnotic power of Adolf Hitler (very similar-sounding to Darth Vader), and throughout, the mysticism of Judeo-Christianity, i.e. the plight of the chosen ones. Luke and Leia are Biblical / Semitic names. Of course, when I was 8, all I saw at the time was the greatest spectacle I ever experienced in a movie theater. It completely changed my life, and I understood what movies are supposed to be about. Lucas really did something special with this film. But the underlying text would make an interesting thesis though.


Jimbo Luke is right they have different voices and in fact in the original movie, which was originally intended to be the only movie and not episode IV, they were emotional, suprised, had different voices, etc. Don't give Lucas too much credit with this planned it all along crap.
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#60339
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60339/action/topic#60339
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Bossk, I too would like a live action movie, but I am sick of this half CGI, half live actor...Roger Rabbittish Prequal Trilogy stuff. Just make it one or the other, I am saying and make it less childish. Animation can be dark and exciting like Ghost in the Shell, Blood, etc. Anilation done like Square did above is awesome and I would take it over a cartoon like Clone Wars, a stupid live action TV show or another poorly executed trilogy a la PT, especially if it meant it was taken out of Lucas' hands and put with the Zahn books.

Now like I said if Lucas could do Zahn or stories to that level and do 7,8,9 and do live action and lot less cartoony, slapstick, Jar-Jar crap then I am all in. Something like ESB (which Lucas didn't write, wonder why its sooo good) would be great for 7,8,9. I am there but to have crap that is live action like a TV show, the PT, or whatever I'd take Zahn meets Final Fantasy anyday. Get it out of Lucas' hands!!!!

BTW, the final fantasy is supposedly just being released on PSP clearly a strong selling point when it ships. Obviously they will release it on DVD eventually (more $$$) and obviously people will figure out how to rip it to DVD before then. As it stands that movie and the Metal Gear game are going to push a lot of units at ship time.
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#60269
Topic
Wolfman Back In?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60269/action/topic#60269
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Racist...ummm, my god, this is the PC blather that edited the Greedo scene into Greedo shooting first or laserblasts with no fire upon impact. That cantina was seedy. Han was shady, owed Jabba, and was willing to do whatever for money. The bartender in the lost cut says to c3po to scram they don't accept droids here, and there is a lot more creatures that eye obi and luke looking at them like chumpsthey might hit up. ITS A BAR man for criminals. The Human form of Jabba was originally in the film too (not in the cnatina though), but tatooine is shady man.

What about the praying mantis instead of the wolfman?



Mantis - Kiti Keedkak
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#60266
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60266/action/topic#60266
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Many people here consider Clone Wars episode 2.5, which is goofy animation at best and not a strong plot line either. Timothy Zahn's books are loved by that love star wars and are the type of stories that GL should have done in his movies. The PT is a childish travesty, the Zahn books rival even the dark and enigmatic ESB. If lucas would never do 7,8,9 live action and do it right like Zahn's stories. I most certainly would love, I mean LOVE to see Zahn's books done final fantasy style. I guarantee I would watch them far, far more than the PT.

Final Fantasy Advent Children Screens





Are you kidding, none of you would want this? I mean granted I would love a big budget live action 7,8,9 (DONE RIGHT, not like the PT), but if not I would certainly take CG animation. The PT already is largely CG, so get rid of the couple of live action characters and go for continuity, haha.
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#60262
Topic
DUAL LAYER SET's will hit soon - but be skeptical!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/60262/action/topic#60262
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Well I don't know about free, but $68 ain't bad. These things are cheap! The issues you're talking about could be worked out in drivers. I am kind of bummed that they are only supporting the dvd+r format with dual layer so far, though by Christmas DVD-r is supposed to get on board (by that time hopefully the discs themselves should drop in price).


$68 dual layer DVD burner

Dual Layer supported DVD "backup" software
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#59744
Topic
The Forgotten Scenes
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59744/action/topic#59744
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The VCD I was talking about...

The first scene is cut and splice to make what was supposed to be the celebration scene at the end of ROTJ (using a variety of sources). Not pretty mind you, but interesting (though of course now we'll get it for real in the new box set anyway, but it may differ to the one now).

Same with the next part which is an intro which is hugely missing in the cut of A new Hope we've seen, using bad deleted footage, screentests etc. in a way that makes it interesting to see (if even in a shady way) and hear what we missed and think about they way it was originally intended from scripts.