logo Sign In

Obi-wonton

User Group
Members
Join date
16-Jul-2004
Last activity
14-Jan-2006
Posts
453

Post History

Post
#59499
Topic
The Forgotten Scenes
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59499/action/topic#59499
Time
That's awesome magnolia. You know, I think it'd be cool to have a version using the screentests, the choppy lost cuts, pictures, storyboards with the film spliced in order. Though it wouldn't be awesome to watch over and over and certainly not a theatrical pleasure...it would clarify what the orginal story was and some of what we've lost over time. Mark Hamill, still wants those intro scenes with him looking through the binoculars and then the two scenes with Biggs cut back in. It may never happen, but I'd love to hear and see it some order of the original script even if it looks crappy.
Post
#59260
Topic
Bushido of Star Wars
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59260/action/topic#59260
Time
I found this on another board...interesting post this guy made...

The mother of all sci fi movies. Really is about World War 2. The Empire / Rebel conflict parallels the Axis / Allies. The Millenium Falcon is just a B52, and Han a bomber pilot. Notice how the locales translate to the arenas the war was fought: the deserts of Africa, the forests of the Ardennes and Europe, and the tundra of Russia. We get tanks, squadron fighters, the bushido code of the Japanese, the polished techno-evil of the Nazis, the terrorizing, hypnotic power of Adolf Hitler (very similar-sounding to Darth Vader), and throughout, the mysticism of Judeo-Christianity, i.e. the plight of the chosen ones. Luke and Leia are Biblical / Semitic names. Of course, when I was 8, all I saw at the time was the greatest spectacle I ever experienced in a movie theater. It completely changed my life, and I understood what movies are supposed to be about. Lucas really did something special with this film. But the underlying text would make an interesting thesis though.
Post
#59254
Topic
The Forgotten Scenes
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59254/action/topic#59254
Time
BTW, the deleted scenes are the
1. cantina scene, fully, extended with extra creatures, jenny (hans's girlfriend) and the bartering on the MF, etc.
2. The two Biggs scenes one where looks runs in the bar and they all go out and look at the sky, the second with Biggs telling him about the rebellion
3. There is a scene where luke running through town runs under a creature on stilts legs
4. The scene outside of the MF where they go look around
5. The scene at the begining where luke is looking at the sky, his robot breaks down and he gets in the landspeeder
6. A scene with Biggs where the pilots are getting prepped on the death star
7. a scene with at home with "mom"
I think if memory serves...
All are very sketchy looking, but still interesting.
Post
#59237
Topic
The Forgotten Scenes
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59237/action/topic#59237
Time
Well A couple weeks ago I found a 2 DVD and a VCD set on the UK ebay. I have always been fascinated by the lost footage, especially the famed lost cut of the original.

DVD 1 - The Complete Archives - This has the Making of Star Wars Documentary, the Original Theatrical Trailers, Classic Creatures, and A Flight through Asteroids - A stroryboard comparison.

DVD 2 - The forgotten scenes - This is what I was looking for, kind of. It is disappointing, certainly not good versions of the scenes but it has a number and mostly it is pictures, in a slideshow format. But they are in order and gives you an expalnation for the group of pictures and some video you might see. Once the idea of having footage to cut back into a new edit was gone, I enjoyed it. Its at least worth a once or twice through. It has pictures for the Ep. 5 and 6 as well.

The VCD - A Long Time Ago - Interestingly this was the most compelling of all of them. There was a rough cut of footage, storyboard animation, and drawings all from the movies that show the celebration scene in its extended glory from ROTJ as GL wanted it, I guess. Not sure how long ago this was spliced, but it looks old (pre-Naboo?). Further, it shows the screentests, edited in with the deleted scenes in an order that makes sense storywise, explaining some of the missing scenes. Now the screentests are with a variety of actors and in bad shape, but interesting nonetheless.

Lastly, I made a CD of the clips I pulled from T-Bonz site of deleted scenes and lost trailers for Quicktime/WMA.

So, Alas I tried, its not what I hoped for, but not a total loss either. I will pass this stuff along to Rikter and MagnoliaFan for their perusal to see if they can use it for anything. I dont have a DVD- burner, so Rikter I will send you the discs and you can copy them and pass them along to magnolia for me.

Thought you guys may be interested. They may be able to rework these and add some of what comes out on the new box set to make something interesting. Thought I'd let you all know. And please don't spend the 40 bucks on this...I did that, they'll use it for something if they can, and maybe let the rest of you know.
Post
#59142
Topic
Another comparison website: Old vs. New
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59142/action/topic#59142
Time


OK so... (this is cut and paste)

Ep. IV - A New Hope

CONFIRMED:
Lightsabers updated and laserblasts.
The Garbage Creature's eye is CG and looks better.
New Jabba closer matches the PT and ROTJ Jabba.
The badly done force perspective painting and white center, fixed to look more realistic.
Opening Crawl Redone To Match Color/Quality of PT Opening Crawl
Lightsaber effects fixed (Colors more vibrant and appear in ALL shots)
Binary sunset shot now has clouds to match later POV shot
Greedo still shoots first, however HAN’s reaction firing is much more realistic
R2’s panels will be blue in all of the space shots, instead of just a few of them
The Dianoga now appears more lifelike and not so Stop-Motion like
The matte painted hall in the detention block has been fixed

RUMORED:

Lettering on Death Star panels written in Aurebsh
Jabba fixed
Ian McDiarmid mentioning in an interview during the production of "Episode II" that he's recorded scenes of the Emperor addressing the Senate for "Episode IV".
John Williams mentioning in several published interviews that he's "re-recorded sections of the score for Episode IV to include THE IMPERIAL MARCH". News appearing in Corona Upcoming Attractions in 1997 listing that an ILM animator was contracted to do "work on Obi-Wan's death involving state of the art CGI" which was obviously not included in the 1997 Special Editions...
Door closings/openings frame jumps smoothed out
Aliens and other creatures blink now to make them look non-mask like
Supper dupper fight sequence between Vader and Obi-Wan
Stormtroopers voices are redubbed by Temuera Morrison (Jango Fett)
SOME new shots will be added
Battle of Yavin shots recomped
DENIED RUMORS:
No Bail Organa seen before Alderaan blows up

Ep. V - Empire Strikes Back

CONFIRMED:
The original monkey-eyed woman is gone and replaced by Ian McDiarmid.
Opening Crawl Redone To Match Color/Quality of PT Opening Crawl
Lighstaber Effects Fixed
Emperor Palpatine's Image being replaced with Ian McDiarmid as The Emperor

RUMORED:

Tauntauns now CG
Wampa Attack sequence put back into the beginning of the film
Grander escape sequence between Lando, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2 in Cloud City
Additional deleted scene(s) with Yoda on Dagobah

Ep. 6 - Return of the Jedi
CONFIRMED:
Hologram quality cleaned up.
No more Rancor matte lines
Sarlaac looks more realistic.
Matte painted Stormtroopers, look a little more real.
Anakin looses his eyebrows and eyes match Hayden's.
Jedi Temple replaces random building in background.
Hayden replaces Shaw.
Opening Crawl Redone To Match Color/Quality of PT Opening Crawl
Overall Picture Quality Outstandingly Cleaned Up
Lighstaber Effects Fixed
Hayden Christiansen appears at the end of the film in ghost form
Rancor matte lines cleaned up
Naboo now appears in the end celebration sequence
Shaw's eyes have been recolored (to match Hayden's) and eyebrows removed
RUMORED:

Paply's Lightning Effects Fixed
The Jedi Temple appears the background of Courescant during the end celebration sequence.
Background plates adjusted to appear less “background screen like”
Ewoks are more realistic with their facial features
During the Tatooine celebration sequence, Watto has been added with the celebrating crowd
DENIED RUMORS:

No Padme at the end with Anakin, Ben and Yoda’s ghost

Hmmm...Magnolia have you seen all of them so far? Care to comment on the rumors?
Post
#59034
Topic
The emperor
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59034/action/topic#59034
Time
Magnolia your version is much better. I like it. You make them concise and deliberate as we want our menacing evil and prevailing good characters to be. Strong, knowledgable and assertive. All these lines Lucas is doing with "umm" "I think" "uhhh" "huh" "how is that" etc...irritating! And why doesn't he just have the commentary by him be the audio of the film. "OK this is the emperor you're seeing now as the senator, ok this is anakin liking the senator now and being pissy...you can see where this is going, but I am going to beat it into you 10 more times assuming you are retarded." Dubbing over all lines, spelling everything out for us and explaining how this crap was his vision all along, why he hates the fans that made it what it is so he could tinker with it in the first place, and really say why its all so much better NOW. Damn.
Post
#58792
Topic
The emperor
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58792/action/topic#58792
Time



I know the very basis of the board means most are against changes to the original trilogy, but this is one taking place in the new Empire Strikes Back 2004 DVD. Is this one you can live with? It adds consistency, which I guess is fine (although if were playing the all or nothing game for changes - it'd be none for me). My biggest complaint with this is he does not look ominous...Clive Revell looks cooler.

Comparison shot:



You know if someone could simply shadow around the eyes more and give it a bit more glow, I'd take the new one, but then thats kind of a cleaned up version of the old one, oh well. Why is it Luca$ has to spell everything, I mean everything out now in I-III, whatever mystery that was there in IV or V is now ruined.
Post
#58734
Topic
Best Bootleg DVDs
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58734/action/topic#58734
Time
the anamorphic is excellent. I got my set from rikter with great cover art and disc art. The supplementals disc is amazing and if picture is where its at for you, there's no question. If you have a widescreen 16:9 format...this is the one to one. It is pretty much consensus that the anamorphic has more extras, better picture, but the TR47 does have stronger sound. Not to say the anamorphic is not good for sound, it is...though the tr47 does trump it. While I'd like a mix of two to exist...which a better DL dvd may make happen, I'd pick the anamorphic every time. And why spend a ton of money on a DL, when the box set is coming out and technology is improving and with a year we'll have what we all want a really, really great copy of the OT (done the right way).
Post
#58469
Topic
The Original Trilogy - Laser Disc Conversion Thread
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/58469/action/topic#58469
Time
I guess I had this in the back of my mind too. Everyone keeps saying how we'll just fix it after the box set comes out, and Magnolia I know you can do great things with film but this is tough.

OT vs. SE vs. 2004 comparison thread with pics

I've keep saying somehow this will work and I am not sure it will unless. We get the deleted scenes. My god imagine if he show each original scene (cleaned up) with the changed one (e.g. Greedo) and he could do some commentary track on why he made his crappy changes, etc. but we'd have both with the great pciture and sound and then the real OT's could be made. I hope this so much. Otherwise it may look odd and the splice will be fairly obvious.