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- HDTV versions...
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Obi-wonton
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- #110985
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- #110657
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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I still need final scripts. I keep finding drafts that are different from the theatrical version.
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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Maul Getting Anxious
Jon adds this cutscene: When Obi-Wan's by the final force field in the showdown, before he duels Maul, there was a cool part after Maul activates his saber. He spins and moves to the right, spinning his saber in the process, right before the force field deactivates. In the movie, you can see him still moving to the right, and his light saber now on his right, instead of infront and some what to the left. In the ep 1 game for the PC, I think it's the load game thing. Hover the mouse over it, and you can see the entire scene, uncut.
This is the dialogue I think you are referring to:
Darth Maul and Obi-Wan Chat
Another item that was in the Insider's Guide is very cool. In one of the drafts of TPM, Lucas added some dialogue between Obi-Wan and Maul after Qui-Gon is killed:
Obi-Wan: "Your style of fighting is old, but I understand it now..."
Maul: "You learn fast."
Obi-Wan: "You don't bother to learn."
Maul: "I don't have to."
Obi-Wan then cuts Maul in half and says: "Learn not, live not, my master always says."
This is cool about the power of the sith...
Although never filmed, one of the coolest scenes cut from the revised draft is when Sidious is contacted for the first time and Daultay Dofine argues with him. Sidious begins Force-choking Dofine and picks him up off the ground and says,"You fool, my reach is far greater than the Jedi. Only a Sith can wield the force over such a great distance."
This is from TFN too about obi-wan and maul in the desert:
Also, it was noticed in the illustrated screenplay, there are storyboard drawings of Darth Maul fighting Obi-Wan in the desert, so maybe originaly both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were supposed to fight him? or Lucas wasn't sure who would fight who? Interesting, and we just thought that was a promotional picture in Vanity Fair. We'll keep working on that one. Here's a brief update as well, courtesy of Michael:
In the first few drafts of the screenplay it was OBI-WAN who went into the Tatooine marketplace, not QUI-GON, as he hadn't been introduced into the story yet (as he first appeared on Coruscant). So in that sith encounter in the desert it was OBI-WAN who fought Maul. But that still does not explain why they made storyboards. They may have just made rough ones in very early production for Lucas so he could see what the sequence would look like.
Further this felt odd in the theatrical version and makes sense now...I don't like the eopies anyway (cut)
Borrowing the Eopies
Remember when Qui-Gon leaves to return and pick up Anakin, He's riding on a horse like animal and holding the reigns of a second one (for Anakin to ride back on, I thought). Yet Qui-Gon and Anakin are shown walking back to the Queen's ship when they are attracted by Maul. So, what happened to the horse like animals? Where they given to Shimi? Stolen? Where they injured and left behind? Interesting note, but there is no mention of them in the novel. Good observation, and the again the novelization comes into play: It shows that Qui-Gon has borrowed the Eeopies and is returning them. That's why they walk back. They run back to the ship because after Anakin leaves his mother, a Sith probe droid spots them and Qui-Gon slashes it with his saber. They then rush back to the ship, which is why they are running.
Further, I got this there as well about there possibly being more than 2...and it would make a good scroll...oh and here's news I might do more than 3/6 movies. I like the idea of trilogies. I might do 3 trilogies (as originally intended) that are shorter, tighter and can add more into scroll for each. A trinity of trinities. Perfection will be attained. Oh and that background on the rules of sith...
History of the Sith
The book also gives a history of the Siths. And that the Siths wiped each other out and only one survived - Darth Bane. He developed the idea of only two Siths at a time to prevent internal problems. Lucas has said: "One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith Lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the Dark Side. They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, become the master, and so on. But there could never be more than two of them, because if there were, they woud try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor. And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which, if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." So does this mean there CAN be more Sith than two? Cool.
More Maul from TFN...
Many astute readers have pointed out many of Darth Maul's lines missing. While watching the Stars Wars Video Duel of the Fates it was noticed that these lines did not appear in the film. For example, Darth Maul says "Fear is my ally. Fear attracts the fearful." While not appearing in the script itself, it is unclear if this could have appeared in the movie. Possibly it was created for the Tone Poem and DOTF Video as a stand-alone, or it may have simply been cut.
And this has revealed on of my titles for the films..."Duel of the Fates", "Shroud of the Dark Side" was planned ever since yoda says that line at the end of ATOC, although I saw Trooperman had thought of using that title as well, I think it would work better with an expanded series of films. Not sure yet. "Fall of the Republic" is another giving homage to fanfic from 1983. We'll see.
As far as Qui-gon he will get some more play, I can easily add ethereal lines back in but doing a ghost of him, get more involved. I have Vegas, Acid, and Sound Forge, but I do not have something like After Effects. I have been kicking around a lofty idea of maul, the emperor, etc. in hell. Mustafah is based off of Lucas' original idea of having the emperor's lair b
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- #110327
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- Original Star Wars Script and Idea, ETC....
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110390/action/topic#110390
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- #110387
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- #110294
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- Original Star Wars Script and Idea, ETC....
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- #110293
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110293/action/topic#110293
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- #110203
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110203/action/topic#110203
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- Ideas: I've been gone for some time now...
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I’ve been gone for some time now. I am back. I am getting a very high-end DV-editing PC, dual screens, and using vegas 6 to do some of my own editing work. I have always planned on this project and reading here through the last few years has further inspired that. I love the work by magfan, what digital man has worked on sounds great and Trooperman’s ideas sound wonderful. Further I am excited to see Deleted magic. I know there has been much discussion over edits and what you’d do. And I am leaning more towards trooperman’s type edit that is a bit more aggressive (mine will still have its own feel of course). I am going to do several things with my favorite character Maul and my least favorite character Jar-Jar, to increase and decrease screen time effectively. I have been thinking aobut using several sources for a new creation, possibly some of the close-sounding lines from clone wars (the cartoon, with obi-won some of the lines match his voice well). I was also considering using some scenes from fan films, radio dramas and even movies not even star wars related to create some new scenes for the direction I want to go. I have to say I LOVE THE IDEA that trooperman had about the moonlight. I hope we all can work together in though and reality to make something wonderful to use each other for a springboard of inspiration and debate.
I would love to hear some thoughts on what you would like to see added and taken out. Even if its not there. Also on where you would grab some potential new material (sounds, voices, scenes, music, etc.)
Further, I know many edits just dump midicholorians and most hate the “immaculate conception”, as did I. Though I read this from T-bonz’ site…
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Wrap your head around this. Was Darth Plagueis really Palpatine’s master? Did Palpatine take the secret of Plagueis and have the midichlorians create life in the form of Anakin Skywalker? How does Palpatine know about Padmé and Anakin’s dreams? The film answers NONE of these questions outright but gives us plenty of room to speculate.
Any thoughts on that.
Thanks ahead of time for any help. And I love this board. Sorry I have been away. My computer was trashed for some time and work got heavy. I forgot to mention someone I enjoy talking to as well, Rikter, thanks for having me watch Clone Wars and that movie, Equilibrium was cool.
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- #69848
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- ***The "official" Screenshots feedback thread ***
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- #69783
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- ***The "official" Screenshots thread ***
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69783/action/topic#69783
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- #69246
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- A New Hope...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/69246/action/topic#69246
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- idea for the end of Ep3
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We can hope and maybe the techology will be there.
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- Idea: for a new edit of ANH
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- OT.com is so loved....
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68751/action/topic#68751
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We simply want the option to see what we once liked, no loved, and had taken from us. This thread is garbage, and it is disturbing that people from this forum are badmouthing us. People on that thread brag about trying to take down magnolia...crap. Our numbers grow. Our recognition grows. You know I was talking on the phone with Rikter 2 days ago and mentioned how every review I have read of the boxset (which I do not hate, but do have some problems with) does mention the purists or the "changes", even the overwhelmingly positive ones. That is a victory in itself. Kershner, Lowry, Ling, all mention to expect Lucas to cave to the public outcry with his 2007 release. Victory. Look in the end it may or may not happen, but we have won hearts and minds and given a home to those that feel abandoned by something that was such a huge part of their lives and childhoods. We found a home. And their is diversity here. People from all over the world. People of different backgrounds. People that have vastly different likes and dislikes with the Star Wars saga. People that know the SW universe to minute detail and casual fans. The board may have some general consensus, but that's what makes it home. If you dare question or think about what you love deeply...this is the place.
I have made so many friends here and like my thread on my fiancee, I post things that are personal and funny. I enjoy conversing with my friends. I think we can "bash" at times, but in jest. We laugh here and have a sense of humor and the diversity and the right to question often make so many of our thread amusing. Again I think the fact that so many casual fans are here often makes it very amusing and lighthearted and not chained down with quibbles on "force-chokes", just kidding (a thread on here) - see that's the humor.
I kind of think of that Statue of Liberty thing...bring us your tired, your sick, your poor...
Well I guess, stuff like this makes me be defensive and I am trying to wax poetic, but I love when a new person posts here we say, "welcome home" and not bash them for being "newbies" with inferior intelligence or quip "do a search" to them like other boards. I love this place.
So to all the haters... (jimbo help me out here, you're good at being crass...fill this in for me).
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- A scary thought!
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- #68323
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- Watching with my fiancee
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Originally posted by: Laserschwert
But if we clone her, all versions of her would fall for Obi-Wonton... I guess I would break down crying... by the way, what would he do with a hundred SW-boxsets?
HaHa, I am laughing my ass off guys. I don't know about the alternate fuel source...they'd be awesome if someone with talent (and there is more than one here) made some changes. She's excited to watch the whole Empire of Dreams (and she watched the shorter one on A&E...that's how she heard about the new boxset release and gained more interest when we were watching that together the weekend before it came out).
BTW, if you clone her, don't give her Morrison's Kiwi voice OK, I like the voice she's got!
You guys are tripping me out, I thought I was lucky, but maybe like starkiller said (great name BTW...going back to the first scripts) its more than that.
Maybe I should have an OT.com wedding reception at the Skywalker Ranch...crash Lucas party for my own!
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- Watching with my fiancee
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- #68067
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- Watching with my fiancee
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/68067/action/topic#68067
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- #67828
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- Watching with my fiancee
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First off she loved the movies... A HUGE PLUS... for the woman I am marrying.
She didn't like the new jabba scene, really she didn't mind it, just the tail thing she though was stupid.
She didn't like the HAN-Greedo scene after she saw the original (that sets up his character she said its like if harrison ford had to wait to be cut by the sword guy in Indiana Jones before he shot him...good point)
She was indifferent on the Wampa. Leaned towards liking it. Liked the clouds through the windows.
She didn't like the little creature with jabba that laughs (which I find obnoxious too...unfortunately he's in all versions).
She really, really didn't like the terrible music and obnoxious CGI for the Jedi Rocks thing
She liked the Hayden thing as the ghost, I told her this is one of the most controversial changes. She said it makes more sense...this is never having heard a lucas explanation...she says that he didn't disappear like Obi-wan and Yoda when they died as Jedi. Further, she said, Obi-wan had stated in the talk with Luke in Degaboh that his father, the Jedi, did die when he turned to the dark side and was a jedi no longer. She said Luke had to burn darth before anakin arrived as a ghost. I was like damn. She's getting into this and you know, I couldn't argue that much. Maybe I repulsed b/c I hate Hayden or I love the originals so much, but philosophically I'll buy it. She liked the connections to the movies she had seen (I and II).
Lastly, she didn't mind the extended celebrations or change of song at the end of jedi.
She absolutely loved the edits of magnolia over the theatrical cuts...though and magnolia knows about these two things...the voices were a bit distracting and the swears by jar-jar she didn't like. Actually she too, hates jar-jar (more reasons to marry her).
This was interesting too, knowing general consensus about the OT. I said rate the movies for me. She gave A new Hope an 8.5/10, she said its like a good book, setting up the plot, though its not finished and still needs to go somewhere. Empire Strikes Back 10/10 She loved the twists...darth being the father...yoda saying there is another...the characters...the temptation,etc. She loved it. Lastly, she said the ewoks pulled ROTJ along with that Jedi rocks scene in Jabas palace. She like Luke, Darth and the Emperor and Darth coming through for Luke at the end. She thought luke doing the stuff with the saber on the sail barge was cool (and BTW she liked the beak thing, said it made the creature more scary and danger more imminent). She gave Jedi a 7.5/10
Whats funny is she put these in order that most do. I was so proud of her. She followed the plot, loves the movies and is interested to sit though documentaries. She actually watched THX 1138 with me last weekend and like the documentaries too. Umm, guys I think I lucked out on this one.