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#57644
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2004 box set changes
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57644/action/topic#57644
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Yes, Darth Sheba, it is good to hear from you and after I saw your website

Emperor's Throne Room Blog Spot

Well, despite me being engaged, I now want to marry you. Your talk of yoda with the lightsaber being wrong, why LOTR is better than the PT, 78 reasons to hate Ep. I, 64 to hate Ep. II links and lastly "the part of me died last night" piece...regarding the new of so many alterations to our beloved Trilogy. Wonderful stuff. If we could coax you from thefroce.net , well we'd love for you to be a regular poster her and build this board up. Great stuff. Really. Welcome.
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#57639
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A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57639/action/topic#57639
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Actually, that's a great point Luke. The CG in space or some of the scenery doesn't bother me much, when its not mixed with real scenes or live actor...it has continuity and is culpable. It's with live actors in a real set that CG characters not done as well as Gollum, become a nuisance. It's just not buyable for me. I never thought that with Chewie or R2 or 3po or Greedo, etc. That cartoon or real film like scenes with Jar-Jar or live actors over cartoon like Anakin's picnic beast ride just don't sit right. Space battles it's cool for CG and adding scenery like the fleet of boats in Troy (I liked most of those scenes Mio I thought the number added dramatic power, though one scene did look a little off), and doing the Clone Army or the Number of robots in I,Robot in the warehouse, that's cool for CG. But cartoony characters, like I keep saying it's too Roger rabbit for me. Hardly a serious, deep, dark space epic.
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#57635
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DUAL LAYER SET's will hit soon - but be skeptical!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57635/action/topic#57635
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So Rik, when can I get a copy of the DL trilogy from you? Just kidding bro. Great post. Very informative, answered and number of questions and may have saved many of us $$$. That projection screen is awesome, I will take one of those. Wow, now that's home theater. Btw, I love the discs you sent me, very happy and I will be getting some goodies to you soon as I get them (this week), so by the time you get back on the board I should have some info for you. Hope you are enjoying yourself. You have been a huge asset to this board and we all appreciate your posts and your work.
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#57574
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Ideas: Re-edits for various movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57574/action/topic#57574
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I just thought of Jacob's Ladder when I saw Manchurian Candidate (awesome movie, very dark) becuase it was similar to Jacob's. And Jacob's was amazing, matter of fact it was top 5 in many lists of the most scary movies of all time, just because it is so damned disturbing. But after seeing many deleted scenes...it could be scarier and darker with more flow and I think, while the world wasn't ready for it then, its brilliance would be accepted now.
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#57568
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A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57568/action/topic#57568
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Well put brother. That's exactly what I am talking about. Actually I think the arena scene in ATOC could've been done more in reality...Gladiator did not look cartoony and they did a huge arena with some CG and models and real locations. Aliens I had mentioned before as well with awesome models/modest effects that worked. Troy looked cool with all of the ships sailing towards Troy despite being CG. CG can improve a scene if not done beyond looking somewhat realistic and knowing the boundries of the present technology. Good post and interesting though, windexed.
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#57559
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A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57559/action/topic#57559
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Well, Zim, that's a well-thought out post and I understand where you are coming from and maybe in 5 years it may all be a moot point in that the technology will certainly hit the point of photorealism, but I often find it distracting. And you're right ILM is not the evil entity here and yes Luca$ did make the calls so therefore it is on him I squarely face blame. And yeah while the OT did have some faults considering the technology, I never found them distracting. Even the blur under the land speeder, that hovering lines, like heat in the desert coming of the pavement or something. I don't know, Zim, they felt different and as I said not only is the animation cartoony, but the execution of the characters, is damn cartoony, the way the talk, what they do, its distracting from a serious film. Anakin, Obi-wan, Qui-Gon, Darth Maul, Padme and Palpatine I most certainly will take over Dex, Watto, Jar-Jar, Roger-roger robots and those silly beasts at the "love picnic".

BTW, this is Jimbo...and yes it will follow you. Hate has a way of doing that. From one Christian to one that claims it, well Jimbo...You reap what you sew is from the Bible (paraphrase- what you put out there comes back to you).

Jimbo's Hate thread
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#57522
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Bloopers on the 2004 DVDs!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57522/action/topic#57522
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My favorite blooper has to be going back and reediting the hell out of our beloved OT. Whoops, we got a whole new movie. Honk, Honk...boink. Add our cartoony zany fun fest with P.C. watered down stuff to these movies perfect. No one ever mention the 1997 SE's editing out the laser blasts burning a whole in the guy and that in the SE it the flaming hit is gone and the guy falls over after the noise. Lame. We don't want a good character, Han, shooting Greedo unprovoked. No, no change the scene and make it p.c. Well, what if they changed the scene from Indiana Jones that Lucas did not intend to do orignially where the guy swings his sword over and over and Indiana just shoots him, a classic part of the movie. Should that be edited? So Indy is stabbed first and then shoots...not showing any blood or damage of course. Maybe he could shoot him with a pink laser. Damn, I am sounding bitter. Sorry.
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#57517
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A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57517/action/topic#57517
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No flame and you're entitled your opinion and I respect you are an animator. Regardless if it looks cartoony, why do it? Sure LOTR may have been darker...ummm, it looks better right??? Everyone agrees. So what if Lucas wanted it in full sun zoomed up, if it can't look right don't do it. Period. That was my argument. It looks crappy no matter how much money is spent. And watto is in the dark shade and still looks like roger rabbit. It doesn't lend itself to realism. All the speeder scenes look fake with Dooku and anakin going to avenge his mother. And the scene in the field with anakin riding those beasts, how do you justify that? Its zoomed out and blurry, but still looks asanine. Again, if it can be done right, don't do it. Suuposedly now with this technology, Lucas is capable of realizing his true vision, funny how the originals of 1977-1983 looked more real to me. Models and costumes worked. Cartoon backgrounds and creatures do not. Many people claim this, am I wrong? Does it not get distracting having cartoons and people on the screen. I have heard no one beg for re-edits or say the CGI in LOTR was shotty and yet there is many with the PT that say this. So Peter Jackson worked with the best technology had and did what he had to do to make it look as photorealistic as possible, shadows, actors, what have you...why is that wrong? And is it justifiable to say Luca$ is working beyond his technology and give him that as an excuse. If it is in fact too hard, DON' DO It. I have not been in hiding. I have been here and will keep voicing the truth as I see it. I am being critical as a fan, a true fan. What I love has been vastly perverted, with Greedo shooting first, Jar-Jar, Han stepping on Cartoon Jabba's tail, Vader and a pink saber, Weeesa Free Celebrations, flying watto, with a silly voice and flies flying around him, and dex with a stupid voice pulling up his pants sliding down his ass, boss nass looking retarded, there is no excuse and I will stand by it. It wasn't executed right, their lines, voices and actions assigned to these characters further make them obnoxious. Did you like the two-headed announcer for the pod race? Did you like PEEEyOOSa lines or Jar-Jar sticking his tongue out, or doing a triple flip into the lake. Its stupid, it looks stupid sounds stupid and acts stupid and there is no comparable characters or scenes to these in the OT. I am here, and you may be right ILM may be better and it may have been more technically difficult...but again...WHY DO IT THEN. Work within the constraints given, be creative and make it look good. We all now he has near infinite resources. I still believe there are no excuses for what we were given. NONE. Fire Back.
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#57475
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A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57475/action/topic#57475
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Luke's point is Lucas was so far ahead of the curve with his movies in the 80's, we all expected something revolutionary. Something that made the first time we saw matrix look like nothing. I wanted that and expected to be so blown away by effects that no other company could not only do technologically but hadn't even considered...this is his billion dollar flagship enterprise after all in the PT didn't deserve that what does? Well, Ep I was sub-par, Ep II was an improvement but definitely not on the level of the Two Towers armies or Gollum. Typically I distain CG when executed sloppily it take me out of movie and becomes to roger rabbit for me, mixing live action and cartoons. Scenes with watto and Jar-Jar irritate me. Don't get me wrong, I love CG alone, like Final Fantasy: Spirits Within blew my mind. But mixing, it just looks fake and fake takes me out of it. Not only that GL's cartoons are often obnoxiously voiced with slapstick personalities...Jar-Jar, Boss Nass, Dex, Watto, Roger-Roger Droids. Right? Tell me I am wrong. Even in Episode II when Anakin is riding those beasts in the field trying to impress padme, OMG, it looked like a class project a 10 year old with a computer could've done, hell Doom 3 looks better, a lot better. Models looked real because they were just that scaled-down models, painted with detail...I miss those days. And costumed creatures look better, the creatures in Aliens, the OT, etc. look better than most of this CG mess. Unless it is done with exceptional grahical power like Gollum, why do it? And don't you expect the best from this franchise, or at least you did at one time.
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#57297
Topic
A Picture is worth a thousand words...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/57297/action/topic#57297
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Sean you got to be the king of 3 word posts. LOL. I am not sure what that means, exactly, but fake is not better in terms of poorly executed CGI. And like Luke said the matrix and LOTR were certainly much better (I, Robot too). Some of the CG in EP I and II is inexcusable from a man that has more money at his disposal than God and has Skywalker Sound and ILM. Even the new Jabba inserted in the box set looks silly. Gollum is much better than even the highly touted Yoda CG. Episode I is worse than II, looking fully cartoony in parts. I preferred the models and costumes, it was real, just scaled down. Poorly executed CG gives us movies like the Hulk, and I'll pass. Done well, it can look good, done ok...it just ruins a movie for me.