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#55795
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edition Episode III-VI Titles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55795/action/topic#55795
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I've never been too fond of "A New Hope." I prefer just plain Star Wars myself. But "The Son of the Suns" is a good suggestion. You could put a text shot just before "A long time ago..." that reads "... and in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as The Son of The Suns." Journal of the Whills, 3:127

Or perhaps "Episode IV: The Hidden Fortress." (An apt title with an obvious homage)

As far as episode III goes, you should probably wait for an official title before choosing something. I came up with "The Imperial Machine" as a title. A reference to both the Empire's systematic rise to power and elimination of the Jedi, and to Darth Vader himself, the ultimate machine.
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#55761
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Lost Original Trilogy footage... at blueharvest.net
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55761/action/topic#55761
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
Evan Silva of www.evan.org used to have a compendium of lost fottage but that site seems to be down now.

Hey wonton, it's actually Ryan Silva who put the Compendium of Lost Footage together. If you would like to have it in its original form and in its entirety let me know. It's a little dated now and does contain some (now known to be) inaccurate information, but it's still very good and well put together.

Scott

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#55713
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Star Wars Fan Films
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55713/action/topic#55713
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I haven't seen too many "serious" fan films that are very good. Duality and The Dark Redemption come to mind, but I don't think they're that good. But entertaining nonetheless.

It's not all that serious, but I do like Brains and Steel. It's a good take on the Princess Bride if you've ever seen that.

I know you're not interested in spoofs, but as others have mentioned, Troops is pretty good. I also really like T'bone's Silent but Deadly series.
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#55676
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55676/action/topic#55676
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
when i thout it couldn't get worse

Hi Sean,

How am I making things worse? I would like to know.

For a website devoted to the preservation of the original trilogy, there sure seems to be a lot of people here who don't care if the films keep getting changed. I, for one, don't want these films to be altered. I am very passionate in my belief that the original films should be preserved. Quite frankly, lists like this are infuriating to me. Why should I not speak out about that? I am quite unhappy about the fact that only the Special Edition fans and the indifferent fans are the ones who are getting an official DVD release, while fans who grew up with these films and love these films in all of their original glory are being snubbed. These films were good enough to make Lucas rich over the first 20 years, and the fans who put Lucas where he is deserve better than this.

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#55671
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55671/action/topic#55671
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Originally posted by: HotRod
It's not actually the same list word for word.
I posted the old list months ago on this site. There are slight changes to the list.

I really don't want to drag this out, but the list is the exact same list as the one I saw last October. Misspelled words and all. I first saw that list here.

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Originally posted by: HotRod
We'll all found out in 2 months - to the day!!
Yay!!!

Although I will not be buying, I am looking forward to the release if only to find out what has actually been changed.

And BTW, I'm not bashing anybody. It's all just conversation. Not everyone has to agree with each other.
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#55647
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55647/action/topic#55647
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
Here you go and by different scenes I meant 3 scenes were redubbed and the opening crawl changed, and by 3 weeks after the original release that is when Lucas decided to make this change. Lastly I do know that the "lost cut" was not intended to be widely distributed and was for screening. Again, spefically Obi Wan Spicoli, why do you want to argue so bad. I am trying to enlighten. I swear my posts are not read completely, skimmed and lambasted is more like by certain board members. I never said HOORAY Lucas! I never said this is the same as the present changes taking place. I am setting precedence that in fact, Lucas has always had a history of tinkering. And further Lucas can argue his vision originally was not realized and is evolving and that the Archival Edition will be the culmination of that. Why argue, just say good point...you can disagree with me, but 1. Read my entire post 2. Think of my point with reacting emotionally wanting to tear someone down. 3. write your opinion, again without tearing others down. This is the point of a message board... As for references to the "orginal" movie alone (not including the other 5 episodes) going through changes/revisions...


Despite what you may think, I don't want to argue or tear you down. And I am reading your posts quite thoroughly. I simply want accurate information placed out there. While I think it's great that you're immersing yourself in this very interesting aspect of Star Wars history, I believe you are confusing the facts. I am simply trying to set those facts straight. If you are truly trying to enlighten, I would think you would want those facts to be straight as well. We are on the same side, my friend.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
Alternate Versions for
Star Wars (1977)
When the original theatrical version was first released, it was simply titled Star Wars.The opening crawl was changed to "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" during the 1981 re-release. According to Sterling Hedgpeth, Lucasfilm film archivist: "I found a box with all the positive elements for the 'revised' opening crawl, and the assorted trim boxes are dated from October through December 1980. This, then, is consistent with the view that Episode IV: A New Hope was added for the first time to the opening crawl for the April 10, 1981 re-release."

This is correct. However, you said this earlier: "3 weeks after its release He added "A new hope" to it as the subtitle and in the scrawl, only after this change it was "episode IV"." This reads as though you are saying that Episode IV A New Hope was added 3 weeks after the release. Surely you can see that.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
There are at least two different prints of the original Star Wars in circulation. One definite difference between them is that the brief scene in the Death Star corridor where Chewbacca roars and "frightens" a little messenger droid is missing. This scene was NOT in the "opening day" version.

This has always been rumor and has never been substantiated. If there are prints in circulation then where are they? All I can say is prove it. But you can't. We can simply agree to disagree on this.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
The original version reportedly includes another difference besides the corridor scene. The actress who played Aunt Beru, Shelagh Fraser, does not have her voice in all prints of the Star Wars movies - except in the original print. Lucas dubbed it over in all subsequent prints.

This is not true. Mrs. Fraser's own voice was never in any theatrically released print of Star Wars. The mono sound mix used a different voice than what we have become accustomed to. Some people have erroneously referred to this voice as being undubbed. Some say this voice is a different voice over actress, but I believe it is just an alternate take.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
There are a few noticeable differences between the version shown on ITV on British television during the 1980s and early, pre-'remastered' video releases:
The sound quality of the voices heard over intercoms and radios during the Battle of Yavin is very different.
On TV, Luke says "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" On the video he says, "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?"
On TV, Porkins' final dying scream is drowned out.
On TV, a stormtrooper searching for the droids on Tatooine says, "This one's secure, move onto the next one". On the video he says 'locked' instead of secure.

This is because the mono sound mix was shown. All of these elements can be found in the mono sound mix. I know, I have it on VHS.

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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
The 1981 re-issue contains three dialogue differences from the original. First is the appearance of the "close the blast doors" line that was silenced in the 1981 version. The 1977 version has Aunt Beru's line "All his friends have gone" places emphasis on "friends" rather than "gone" in the 1981 version. Finally, Luke shouts "Blast it, Wedge, where are you?" rather than "Blast it, Biggs, where are you?" Because Luke's head is turned to the side, it's impossible to tell which is the on-set name used. The redubbing makes Wedge's rescue of Luke more unexpected.

I guess you copied and pasted all of this from somewhere, but the first two lines make no sense. The '81 release contains a line that was silenced in the '81 version? Huh? At any rate, "close the blast doors" did appear in the original 1977 release. It was in the mono sound mix. "Blast it, Wedge" is also in the mono sound mix.

I guess my point is that none of these things were changed or altered. They are simply differences within the original 3 sound mixes. Depending on which version you saw, 70mm 6-track, Dolby Stereo, or mono, you would have experienced a slightly different film.

Scott
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#55559
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I'm thinking lawsuit...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55559/action/topic#55559
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
if you refer to my lost footage thread here You'll see links to what I mean with the "lost cut" which has 30-40% different material and was the original cut it was titled "The Star Wars". GL changed it hacked it up and made "Star Wars" and it was a stand alone movie. 3 weeks after its release He added "A new hope" to it as the subtitle and in the scrawl, only after this change it was "episode IV". He also changed a few scenes and lines. The original release theatrically which is a memory and impossible to find (though Magnoliafan is working on that with editing) is referred to as the Pre-New Hope Star Wars. So in the 1977, there were in fact 3 different cuts of "star wars" alone...premonitions of things to come and massive changes to be made a la Special editions, 2004 trilogy and the 2007 Archival.

I just wanted to be sure I knew what you were saying before I responded.

Yes, I know all about the lost cut. It was never, nor was ever meant to be, released theatrically. I'm not sure if you think it was. It was simply an early rough cut. Nothing more.

"A New Hope" was not added 3 weeks after the release. It was in fact added for the April 10, 1981 re-release. And no scenes were changed. However, there are many subtle differences in sound that stem from the fact that 3 different sound mixes were used for the original release.
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#55548
Topic
Cringe Factor
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55548/action/topic#55548
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Yeah, I'd have to agree that the fireplace scene takes the cringe factor cake. Have you ever been embarassed for somebody else? That's kind of how I feel when I watch that scene.

Another scene, at least for me, is that damn Looney Tunes-esque C-3PO cartoon sequence in the droid factory. That scene literally looks animated. Easily the worst CG in the prequels.
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#55472
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55472/action/topic#55472
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That list is complete BS. It's just a wish-list created by some misguided fan-boy. It started making the rounds last October.

People really need to stop believing everything they see on the internet. As of yet, there are no such thing as 'archival' or 'ultimate' editions. It's all merely fan-boy rumor, speculation and assumption that LFL will release a box set containing all six films sometime after episode III, and that those films will be changed yet again. While I do think an eventual box set is likely, to assume that the films contained within will be altered yet again is premature. Personally, I don't believe the films will be altered in any way beyond the September release.
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#55241
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The Original Trilogy - Laser Disc Conversion Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55241/action/topic#55241
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Yes, the original 1977 release contained C-3PO's line... well at least some of the prints did. I think that most people don't know or realize that in 1977 Star Wars was released with no less than 3 different sound mixes: 70mm 6-track, 35mm Dolby Stereo, and 35mm Mono. 3PO's line was definitely in the mono mix; this is a fact and I do have a bootleg tape from '77 to back this up. I am now uncertain if the line was in the Dolby Stereo mix, and I personally think it was absent from the 70mm 6-track mix. So depending on which version you saw at the theater, you may or may not have heard this line.

As you mentioned, the '89 widescreen LD has the line. It was the first, and remains the only, laserdisc of the original film to contain this line. All VHS releases between 1984 and 1992 also contain the line. The THX mix, or course, left it out.
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#55066
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Ultimates
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55066/action/topic#55066
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Read it again it clearly says "Tell you what... if this pans out, I don't mind either of these changes. Better still, I'd eat a whole freakin' herd of Bantha if Lucas would just restore the Han/Greedo scene in A New Hope so that Han shoots first again. Anyone care to join me? Cross your fingers, folks... and fire up the barbecue pit"

It never says Lucas has restored the scene. Also Lucas has at least modified the scene to not look so technologically bad.

Jimbo, what are you talking about? Those words do not appear in the paragraph I have quoted below. Perhaps YOU should read it again. You are reading the April 8, 2004 rumor mill. The Digital Bits report the Han/Greedo scene as being restored in the November 20, 2003 rumor mill. In other words, scroll down to this paragraph:

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Originally posted by: the digital bits on November 20, 2003
One other note today... we've heard from a number of interesting (and we believe reliable) inside sources that Lucsafilm is currently making major new changes to the original Star Wars films - the kind of changes he began a few years ago with the theatrical "Special Edition" releases. These changes include new special effects, revised and updated shots and scenes, and new footage shot with actors Hayden Christensen (Anakin) and Ian McDiarmid (the Emperor) that would flesh out moments with their characters in the original films. For example, an aged and scarred Hayden now appears as Anakin at the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke removes Vader's helmet. Among the other changes reportedly being made are the restoration of the original "Han shoots first" moment from Star Wars and a revamped lightsaber fight between Obi-Wan and Vader. What we've heard meshes with what we've been told before, which is that Lucas has always planned to release ultimate, "Archive" editions of these films that tie in better with the new prequels. The main question in our minds now is this: will these changes be completed in time to appear on the DVD releases planned for next September, or will we have to wait until after Episode III hits theaters to see them? And if we have to wait, what versions will appear on the DVDs? Time will tell.
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#55008
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55008/action/topic#55008
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Originally posted by: Hal 9000
Here's a question for anyone with the TR47 DVD set:

In one of the shots in ROTJ immediatly after Lando orders all craft to "Pull up", does anyone else's DVD explode into pixels for a second or two?
Is it a few seconds after Ackbar calls for evasive action? Then yes, mine does.
Originally posted by: Hal 9000
And also after the Stormtrooper fires at Leia and Wicket on Endor, it jumps back a few seconds.

Yes, mine too.

I've noticed many errors with this set and read about many more. For the amount of obnoxious bragging done by TR47 about this set, it has been an overwhelming disappointment. If I had paid the original $65 (or whatever) that he was asking, I would be pissed. This is not the superior quality set that he made it out to be.



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#55007
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55007/action/topic#55007
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
meh... regardless of how many things they fix and dont fix... i keep on remembering that its gonna have all the SE bastardized scenes...
so i guess its not too much to get excited about...

I feel the same way. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what they change because I won't be buying them anyway. These aren't the films I grew up.

On another note, check out this holographic Emperor action figure that will be offered later this year. Specifically, check out the picture of the front of the card. It's small and hard to make out, but it appears to be very similar to the images we've been seeing. And the fact that Hasbro has chosen to produce a figure representing this specific scene in TESB pretty much confirms the rumors.
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#54951
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/54951/action/topic#54951
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I can't remember the 1977 version that well, but it sounds like two different people saying the close and open blastdoor lines. I was hoping to hear how it sounded on the old Story of Star Wars LP.

Patrick

Two different people DO say those lines. I don't recall what the voice on the LP sounds like, but from what I understand it's different than the voice that is actually in the film. I will try to get a sample of that line off of my 1977 bootleg VHS tape.