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#56713
Topic
Episodes 7,8,9?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56713/action/topic#56713
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I've done much research on this subject. My conclusion: There will be no episodes 7-9. The story is over. It begins with TPM and ends with ROTJ. According to Lucas these movies are about the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. There's no more story to tell.

It's true that 9 episodes were once planned. Heck, at one time it was 12 episodes. But Lucas has decided that 6 would suffice. Let's look at the evolution of this story.

In 1978 the second issue of the fan club newsletters states:

"On February 23rd, it was announced that Star Wars Corporation will begin production on the sequel to Star Wars this summer. The title has not been selected yet, but will not be Star Wars II. George Lucas' company, Lucasfilm Limited, will finance the production, currently budgeted for 10 million dollars, with Twentieth Century-Fox acting as distributors. Based on the second of twelve stories in George Lucas's Adventures of Luke Skywalker series..."

The Spring 1980 issue of the fan club newsletter now called Bantha Tracks states:

"BT: At one point there were going to be twelve Star Wars films.

GL: I cut that number down to nine because the other three were tangential to the saga. Star Wars was the fourth story in the saga and was to have been called, "Star Wars, Episode Four: A New Hope." But I decided people wouldn't understand the numbering system so we dropped it. For Empire, though we're putting back the number and will call it Episode Five: The Empire Strikes Back. After the third film in this trilogy we'll go back and make the first trilogy, which deals with the young Ben Kenobi and the young Darth Vader.

BT: What is the third trilogy about?

GL: It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his
adventures."

Newsweek May 19, 1980:

"Viewers may be in for a surprise when the credits announce 'Star Wars, Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back.' Episode 'FIVE?' Have we slipped into a time warp? Actually, what we are getting is the second act of the middle trilogy of a projected nine-film cycle. The first 'Star Wars' will be retitled 'Episode IV: A New Hope,' and the next sequel, projected for 1983, will resolve all the dangling threads of the Luke Skywalker saga."

Time May 19, 1980:

"Lucas has begun his space saga in the middle, and both pictures are the centerpieces of a projected nine-part series. The remaining movies, fore and aft, have not yet been laid out in detail, but Lucas has the framework, a kind of history of what happened in that galaxy long ago and far away." "The last three episodes involve the rebuilding of the republic. Only two of the main characters will appear in all nine films, and they are the robots, Artoo Detoo and See Threepio. Says Lucas: "In effect, the story will be told through their eyes."

Time May 23, 1983

"The sequels, the three movies that would follow Jedi, are considerably vaguer. Their main theme will be the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong. Luke, who will then be the age Obi-Wan Kenobi is now, some place in his 60's, will reappear, and so will his friends, assuming the creator decides to carry the epic further."

In the 1995 reprint of the ESB novel Lucas states:

"From the onset I conceived Star Wars as a series of six films, or two trilogies."


I could go on and on, but I won't.
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#56701
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56701/action/topic#56701
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Yeah but by that logic that fat Irish actor who was in the Jabba scene has been getting a raw deal since the beginning.

Declan Mulholland, the actor who originally portrayed Jabba, was never meant to be in the finished film. He was a stand-in for a puppet or stop-motion creature that was to be added in later.
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
...and why is the dialogue sooooooo bleedin' obvious, talk about dumbing it down for the kids

Seriously, I think Lucas takes his audience for a bunch of idiots. I think he really is dumbing the movies down.
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#56599
Topic
Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56599/action/topic#56599
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Well I searched the official site and found no mention. I searched for "Archival Edition(s)" and for "2007." Neither search found anything relevant. I even used Google's site search feature and searched for the same keywords. The only mentions of an archival edition are in the forums. And that's nothing more than speculation.

And I just want to make something clear. I'm not arguing against the further release of these films. Of course they'll be released again in the future, and 2007 is certainly a possibility. What I am saying is that any future release will feature the films just as they appear on the September DVDs, with no further alterations. Re-mastering aside.

I'd still like to see a quote from GL or another representative of Lucasfilm. And second hand hearsay doesn't count. If so many people are saying "Lucas said this," or "Lucas said that," then there must be an actual article or quote out there somewhere.
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#56560
Topic
Lost Original Trilogy footage... at blueharvest.net
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56560/action/topic#56560
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Originally posted by: Obi-wonton
I ordered a DVD that claims to have several scenes of lost footage from Ep. IV. I should be receiving it in a week (its coming from the UK), I will let you all know if its any good. I am going to forward it on, along with stuff downloaded from T'bonz and the behind the magic CD to Rikter and Magnolia. I hope its something decent.

I took all of the deleted scenes from the Behind the Magic CD and made a DVD out of them. Some scenes came out better than others, but overall it's surprisingly watchable. I'd wager the DVD you're getting was done in a similar fashion.

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#56558
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56558/action/topic#56558
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Originally posted by: R2
My computer here at work doesn't have speaker so I can't hear anything. What is the new dialogue? What exactly has changed?

Emperor: "We have a new enemy. The young rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

Vader: "How is that possible?"

Emperor: "Search your feelings Lord Vader. You will know it to be true. He could destroy us."

Vader: "He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him."


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#56557
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56557/action/topic#56557
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
I heard the clip yesterday, and was appalled. You were right, it was originally a chilling scene, because of the mystery contained in the dialogue. Now it's obvious. I also felt that Clive Revill added to the mystery as the Emperor in ESB, because I really had no idea what Palpatine looked like until ROTJ, and when I saw Ian McDiarmid in the Throne Room, I was shocked and stunned.
Clive Revill's still alive, by the way. Is there anything legal he can do about being replaced, because out of all of the replacements (Shaw, Jeremy Bulloch's voice), Revill is the only one being completely excised.

Just to be clear, Jeremy Bullock was never the voice of Boba Fett. That honor originally went to Jason Wingreen, who also portrayed the bartender on All in the Family.

I do agree that the mystery has been completely removed from the Emperor scene.


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#56223
Topic
Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56223/action/topic#56223
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Rikter, I probably should put this in the other thread but your Magnolia Fan **true Star Wars Pre-ANH** dvd, does it have the footage of Luke throwing the grapple hook once or twice?

I'm just asking, cause that would have been cool if he edited that in some how.

What would be the point? It never happened.
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#56149
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Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56149/action/topic#56149
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Originally posted by: jimbo
No Greedo still shoots first. However the scene was modified to look alot better. Han no longer does the horrible looking hop. It no longer looks like Greedo fired at Han who shot back in self defense. It now appears Greedo fired a warning shot and Han takes that oportunity to blow his head up. Even though its much better then in 1997 I still overall prefer the scene in its original form. Still with this fix the scene is now acceptable to me where as before I hated it.

Yeah, I know. I'm the one who first posted the video.

My point is that the bits reported the scene would be changed BACK TO THE ORIGINAL VERSION. That would make them WRONG. Get it?
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#56144
Topic
Episode I-VI: Archival Editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56144/action/topic#56144
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There's going to be lots of disappointed fans in 2007.

Regarding the LOTR DVDs. Jackson and Newline were kind enough to release two versions: an extended cut and the original theatrical version. I happily purchased both. There's a lesson in there for George Lucas.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
The bits have been right about everything on these DVDs and it really is stupid to continue questioning them.

I took you to school on this matter already, jimbo. The bits have in fact reported inaccurate information. They are not perfect.
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#56024
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56024/action/topic#56024
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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Simple question, are there any credits for the "2004 restoration" or whatever they call it?

The credits are identical to the special edition.

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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
People are going apeshit over this on TF.N and Darth-Jett scares me over there. Costently saying things like "another one under the belt" and "victory". I'm getting the impression that if Lucas were to leak a print with Mark Hamil replaced by another actor, they'd be applauding it as pure genius, and that Hamill had nothing compared to this guy. There's nothing wrong with liking the changes, but to rub it in to a fan of the O-OT then ridicule them is downright childish and reminds me why I'm here. Yet it continues, with O-OT supporters being labeled "Lucas hating whiners" and SE supporters being jerks that act like because they "support Lucas" and party with every change they must be the only "True Fans". The door swings both ways, and there's no such thing as a "true fan". There may be different levels of devotion, but accepting the change make you no more of a fan than rejecting them makes you any less. Lucas has literally driven a wedge between the fandom, one not easily repaired.

I hear you, brother. No matter what Lucas puts on their plate, there are apparently scores of fans who will eat it up.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
In my opinion I pitty those who are boycotting this great set.

Keep your pity to yourself.

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#56013
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/56013/action/topic#56013
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
why am i downloading it if thats all thats been changed? lol
wow im totally not excited about seeing it now... i've pretty much seen screenshots of all these things....
damn... how did the picture quality look Spicoli?

Well, I'm not sure if that's all that has been changed. But that's all I've really looked at and can confirm right now. I saw some other shots that appeared to be different, but I'd have to check my SE DVD to be sure. I think the Emperor's slugs are gone and the shot of the two lightsabers crossing in front of the Emperor is the same as in the French trailer. Also, the Naboo celebration scene does indeed appear to be a flipped and altered shot from TPM. And I haven't done a side-by-side comparison, but at first glance the credits appear to be the same as the special edition. Directed by Richard Marquand and Hayden is not credited. This, I think, would give credence to the belief that this is a work print.

The overall picture quality looks fantastic, almost unbelievable, even for a compressed avi. I think the official DVDs will blow everyone away. This irritates me all the more that we won't be getting the original versions.
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#55967
Topic
Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55967/action/topic#55967
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Well, I've seen the whole thing. I can confirm the following:

Hayden is the ghost
Naboo is in the end celebration
Rancor's matte lines are fixed
Leia's line about her mother NOT changed
Stormtroopers voices NOT changed
Jedi temple is in the Coruscant shot at the end celebration (no Jedi temple in special edition)

Any questions?
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#55902
Topic
MagnoliaFan Edition Episode III-VI Titles
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55902/action/topic#55902
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Urgh...
Just saw the new version of Jedi...
Well, I sure know one thing I'll be changing back to the original version for my edit...

That's what I figured you'd be doing all along. Righting Lucas' wrongs.

BTW, the official title for Episode III has been revealed. Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20040724.html
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#55838
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55838/action/topic#55838
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Originally posted by: TR47
Are you 100% sure about this? I thought it was one of the many superfluous SE changes. I don't recall Luke ever saying that before the SE version, but I have not watched all of the LD/VHS versions, either. Needless to say the change is still annoying-the original line was much better.

Yes, 100% sure. I have the original story of ESB cassette from 1980 sitting next to me. However, the SE was the first time to my knowledge that the line shows up on home video.

But I do agree that "You're lucky you don't taste very good" is much better.

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#55834
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Info: OT Bootleg DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/55834/action/topic#55834
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I also wanted to mention that those with both the Original and SE LD's or VHS may have to mix and match another part. In ESB, the sound effect of the Snowspeeder spinning out of control is not in the Definitive Collection or Faces LD's or Faces VHS tapes. It is in the original film and in the SE LD's and VHS tapes. I wonder if that is mentioned on the flaw list.

Thanks.

Patrick

Do you mean the snowspeeder that Veers guns down just before blowing up the power generator?

Although I haven't spent nearly the amount of time researching the other films as I have the original Star Wars, I'm sure this is another sound mix issue. The ESB SE also uses Luke's line "You're lucky to get out of there" as opposed to the more conventional "You're lucky you don't taste very good" after the swamp monster spits out R2. Some people thought the line was changed and added for the SE, it was not. It was there all along, just in another sound mix. Which mix I'm not sure, 70mm perhaps. It is also in the original "Story of" recording for ESB.

Another instance of this is in ROTJ. When Lando is being pulled into the Sarlacc Han says "It's alright, trust me" but in the SE he says "It's alright, I can see a lot better." Just another difference between sound mixes and again we find the SE line in the original "Story of" album.

So it's difficult to say what the "complete" version of each film is. I think it really comes down to personal preference. But I find it all to be very fascinating.

Scott